 I think there's so much value in this that actually is not even environmental. Back in graduate school and in my doctoral studies, I got involved in a group of social psychologists looking at the value belief norm theory of environmentalism. And there's this kind of social psychological system that we explored and provided empirical support for on how you connect basic human values to environmental behaviors. And the key connective piece between values like egoism but also altruism and openness to change and traditional values to recycling vegetarianism supporting environmental policy is you both have to facilitate awareness of consequences, i.e. we need better information. But that's not enough, that's that kind of information deficit model we have. You also need attribution of responsibility and it's that combination that becomes the kernel of a new norm that helps people connect their basic human values to environmental behaviors. So we really started focusing on that, that is how does service learning serving a community who faces a problem potentially improve the attribution of responsibility and we think the mechanism is basic efficacy that is you not only have to believe an object you care about is under threat you have to believe that you can do something about it. So what serve things like service learning do and the applied research that I do with my students is it allows them to actually do the research themselves and begin to see that they can make a difference and then that in some cases will also lead to a norm that they have responsibility for applying their skills to a problem. So the value of this kind of work for the community and the students because both of them are now involved in the research that we do. So we have high school students out there taking samples and looking at air and noise pollution data and my students are out there doing it and it's that space where you combine the awareness of the condition or the consequences of these disparities along with the attribution responsibility is in that kind of alchemy if you will that will lead to more engagement hopefully you know support for changes and policies and also you know a desire to be a leader in a community fighting for those changes. You know as a professor one of the big rewards is to see my students succeeding and learning and in a way modeling what happened with me with my professors going all the way back to an undergraduate I had a group of professors and mentors who supported and mentored me but also challenged me to go out and take on the big environmental puzzles of the time and so at the time environmental justice was one of those today it's climate change but being able to help my students get into positions where they're taking on the environmental challenges that have to be taken on even as an undergraduate is a reward for me as a teacher and a mentor and we are social beings and we get more value out of helping others as well as helping ourselves and so that's a you know part of that reward kind of social psychology I think that is you know a big reason I do what I do I do what I do because there are voices that are not being represented in the conversation in the policy decisions in the political processes and so I'm committed in my research program and environmental justice to continue to do that.