 So where do you get your chickens from? Yeah, but you don't even know where they're from. I mean you're falling for the propaganda a little bit. Showing people the footage that I gathered from the farms that I recently visited for the Uncovered campaign. Today we're showing people the parent breeder sheds. It's like a pretty hidden part of the chicken industry. Guy's actually eating chicken nuggets as he's walking past looking at the sign. He could very well be eating like one of these birds who've been spent they get eaten too. These parent breeders so most likely a chicken nugget or something like that, those birds turned out to be and he walked past the eating one. Hey brother, how are you? Sorry, I don't want to go on camera, that's alright. Can I just have a chat? I see you're on social media and stuff and your video is quite interesting. So instead of online, the ones that are more polite or maybe aggressive, do you find people are quite receptive generally? Because obviously this is quite hard to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not trying to be funny about it. Most people are pretty receptive. I saw the guy at Manega, you were talking to him. Yeah, he was pretty receptive. Most people agree that this is wrong. But then it's like, do you want to change? You could be like, oh wow, this is bad, I know it's bad but is it bad enough to make you change your lifestyle? So are you a vegan? I'm working my way towards it bad. So what's she told him you're back? Do you agree that this is bad? Let me explain what this shed is by the way. This is a parent breeder facility. So these are the mums and dads of the chickens that people eat. Oh, I see. So they fertilize the eggs, the eggs go off to an incubator, they hatch and then they take those chicks to a big barn and then people eat those chickens. So these parents are just being forced to mate in this facility. And then they get killed when they're... How do you get in there? I don't know, just walk in there. I mean, we don't break anything. Just walk in and document. We don't touch anything. Just basically. Because the farmer would not let us in there and if they did let us in there, they'd clean it up and they'd take all the dead bodies out of there and that. So yeah, I mean, it's just it's saddening, it stinks in there, it's horrible and there's feces everywhere. The birds are suffering really badly. Well, fair play mate. I like your work. Like I said, when I go on Facebook and see all the videos and stuff, you always see me... So you see me mostly on Facebook? I'll take Facebook. Yeah, no, I was trying to be interesting. You know, like, whatever's holding you back like those small obstacles... Honestly, it's more gradually getting to that point. For example, when I eat something that like, that may come... So it's okay, I don't even got to say before I say this, right? I've never eaten shit when it comes from this kind of I know I get your point about murder and then... Do you know this is a red tractor-approved facility? Yeah, a red tractor-approved facility. It's like free range. Yeah, free range means not too much either. They'll have less birds in a barn but they they're barely moving to move. But again, it's like the point is to get to the point. So where do you get your chickens from? I just want to know, because most chickens are a factory farm, that's all. Statistically. I can tell you exactly what's coming from it. It sounds like the way in which they're... You know, because... There's decisions around where they're raised. Yeah, but you don't even know where they're raised. They could have really good advertising. And I'm not going to dispute with you because I know it's wrong. Because you could look at a label. I could show you a label and there could be a human child in that label, but I'm telling you it's... I don't know, beans. But if you don't... The label for this place is hilarious. It's like a green pasture. So, I mean... You're falling for the propaganda a little bit. No, I'm not, because I'm moving away. I'm trying to get away from that point, where veganism might become a solution. My point is that... I'm not disputing you, is what I'm saying. I don't disagree with what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, no. But I was just interested if you are getting from a... I would say... This is where my interest in the question originally was. It's like... Yeah. It's a bit of a practical... Obviously. But it's a difficult change to make for a lot of people, right? It can be. Well, it depends if you've got the right information. It's actually quite easy, you know what I mean? I mean, I actually give people information and we actually have this free Help Going Vegan Challenge 22. I mean, it's sort of a combination of how committed you are to not wanting to do this to animals. What your values are like? And then being savvy and going, okay, well, I'm motivated, I'm going to go and do some swap outs, look at some YouTube videos, how to cook vegan food. I mean, the food part is one of the easiest, especially in the UK, bro. You can go literally in there right now and you can get a vegan chicken royale or you can get the normal chicken royale. You know what I mean? So why make it such a cruel choice and you've got a plant one there? You know, come on. Yeah. No worries, brother. I appreciate you coming up by the way, man. No worries, boss. You know, a lot of people, they agree that it's wrong. They agree with the position. They just haven't made that step to change yet, which is an important step. Your actions should mirror your values. You know, if you're against horrible animal violence, then don't cause it with your actions. I mean, to speak consistent. Hey, brother. Do you know what that is? Yeah, I do. Is that you in the film? Yeah. It's not really a documentary. It's more like I did a doing a little series exposing UK farms. And this particular shed here is a parent shed. A parent breeder shed. So they're like the mums and dads of the chickens that people eat. So in order for those chickens to, you know, come into existence, have to hatch out of a fertilised egg. They're like the chicken sheds, but not really about the mums and dads. So basically the fourth mating facility, so they chuck about 800 roosters in with 8,000 hens. And they can't escape the roosters. The roosters are really broody and scratch up their backs, and then they end up, you know, it's essentially a rape facility. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I explained it when I was in there. And they're living on mountains of feces. You know, they're not just doing this I lived in China for a year. They do all these wonderful families that can have kids and they're paying $10,000 to get a kid from Asia. They have factories like this too. It's a breed of humans. Oh, wow. I didn't know about that. That's true. So wherever there's money, there's exploitation and cruelty. So why do you think these places exist? Like, principally? Well, Burger King KFC and all the rest of the gang. So you think it's the corporations that make these places happen? I would imagine. Yeah, so who's giving them that money, though? Well, obviously, these people here. So you're saying people who see this are morally against it. Do you think they should stop putting their money into those? I think you've got it uphill battle because people are generally lazy. Yeah, true. And they take the path of least resistance. I agree. So you need some type of conscience driving your decision in the world like this in the chicken burger. I think it's too far from them. If it was their own, for example, child that was in there, it'd be a different story. It'd be more of a moral imperative. The proximity for their involvement, I don't think it would see big changes. I mean, it's noble what you're doing. I'm just saying the reality of it. Yeah, so do you think, like, if people had the option there, more convenient, because Burger King actually got a vegan chicken burger? Well, you've got to beat the pricing, too. Yeah, so they've got a vegan chicken burger in there now. And they go and get the vegan chicken burger for the rest of their life. Well, there's no question you're doing good and there's people that will be affected by what you're doing. Yeah, just not everyone. I just think that some people, yeah. Let's be honest between me and you. There's some people that have a brain and use it and there's others that have a brain. I agree with you. But you seem very intelligent, switched on and aware and lucid. So what do you feel about this? I think the thing that's interesting is that you didn't get it already. A lot of my friends in places like California and stuff are very far beyond the average public when they're thinking about these things. So I've got friends that are vegan to the extreme. And so I'm influenced by that. Yeah, yeah, that's good. One friend that if he saw me eating this he would be upset right now because there's chocolate and it was sugar and dairy and all of these things, right? So a vegan is not really from a health perspective, although people are health conscious when they're vegan. Yeah, but it's more from an ethics perspective of what happens to the animals. I think there's really kind of both points of view but I think from the ethics point of view I think that, how do we say there's a lot of things going on, like even human trafficking, right? Of course. I just think people choose to keep their head in the sand. Yeah, human trafficking is not happening to the extent that animal agriculture is and it's actually probably against some type of universal human rights law to traffic humans. But this is completely legal sanctioned and everyone participates and eats their bodies. So although human trafficking is awful it's not as widespread as this, this is trillions of animals. I think laws are a result generally of what makes us comfortable and uncomfortable. Oh really? So if enough people are uncomfortable about this the laws might change. Yeah, but you know... Well again, I think the work you're doing is great and it's so bad this is happening. You know, obviously carry on but I think you've got a really tough battle ahead. I do. That doesn't mean it can't have an impact. You know you can be part of that battle or just at least not... This is just how to be vegan in the UK and it's got some documentaries. This one here I'd recommend here, Dominion This is one that I did on Dairy Milk Make Your Own Mind Up Dairy, this is about sexual exploitation and animal agriculture as well. So like I think knowledge is power you being a filmmaker you'd probably see as films do change people if you just take one example like the year that Rebel Without a Cause came out you remember with James Dean back in the day they noticed teen suicide through those car races off the cliffs had increased by close to 60%. So it was almost non-existent before. Film, they say that is it life imitating art or our imitating life and the reality is it's a sore influence by the art. So we could use those powers for good or for evil. Which is like advertising with Burger King and all that. Well the thing that's interesting too is if you look at also not only Burger King but McDonald's and so forth they're not doing it as much as they used to but they used to have massive ties to Hollywood in the promotions especially in their toy boxes. Happy Meals This is not a very happy meal these birds will turn into chicken nuggets. Do you know what you have to do is almost have a little sign that says what's in your Happy Meal Dude, you owe me 10 bucks. I work in marketing and advertising too Well it seems like you'll be on our team if you just stop buying those things that kill the animals Cheers buddy So there you go that's me showing the parent breed of sheds to the public. A lot of people don't know about parent sheds I didn't know about them they're a very hidden part of animal agriculture. They supply chicks to farms of all different welfare categories So it's important to know about parent breed of sheds they're always horrible, the birds are always suffering you know they're just disgusting cesspools of filth and force them eating which is incredibly cruel Alright guys I'll see you in the next one What's up? I've been being 5 years and I've seen my friend do videos Oh really? He's read the word great. Oh thank you What's your name? My name's Holly Holly good to meet you Holly So you tell all your friends? Yeah I do Have you turned anyone into your friends vegan? Sometimes they go vegan for a beer and stop but I'm just always talking about it always in the all videos, ads videos Alright that's good, yeah I love it That's great, yeah one day though Well you can give one of these pamphlets to one of your friends Because these are a little vegan guide we hand out Oh lovely, thank you Nice to see you too Yo I'm a great fan of yours What's your name bro? I'm a vegan because of you I've done so many videos and I really appreciate you Where are you from? Spain I really appreciate your work and all your effort Thank you brother What's your name? Sergio Watching my videos in Spain Watching my videos from Spain Supporting you from Spain I've shown so many videos to my friends about you Really? They really like it Any of your friends gone vegan? Some of them I've convinced them Good work, you're an activist Thank you so much I'm a vegan and now you've gone and affected other people Spread the fire Good work brother Thank you so much Are we making a photo? One, two and three Are you in here on holiday? I'm living through months I'm going to study in US I was hoping to see you I was like when I go to London It would be nice if I see Joey Wow You said that That's Joey Wow That is a very crazy coincidence Good work Thank you so much Keep up the good work Really nice to meet you guys See you later