 Welcome back, it's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa and we are starting with our first conversation for the day. Now after days of negotiations and disagreements, the preferred candidate of President Mohammed Buhari for the position of the National Chairman of the All Progressives Congress, Sen. Abdul Lai Adamou, was ratified as the new party chairman late Saturday night. The ratification of Adamou and other members of the incoming National Working Committee and general leaders of the party, was part of activities at the convention of the party, which commenced on Saturday and then in the early hours of Sunday at the Ego Square, Abuja. Joining us now to discuss the aftermath of these and the future and chances of the party, we expect Tangiri Johnson to join us much later, but we have Ibrahim Oshinoa, a Secretary of Medical and Risk APC Convention Planning Committee. Good morning to you, Oshinoa, thanks for joining us on the breakfast and plus TV Africa. Good morning guys, thanks for having me. Alright, first of all, we must say, okay, I think Julie Johnson is joining soon. We must say congratulations on the convention, which held them over the weekend. Thank you so much, thank you for having me, it's been a tough night. We thank God we are at the successful convention. It's been all with long, busy, trying to put things in place, programming, convention grounds, security, I give it to a accreditation committee who has done a very good job in terms of, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you, I was just going to ask you how successful is successful as you have put it now, because it's been days, months, or even more than a year of issues with the APC and finally March 26 came and the convention held. But would you really say that all the internal wranglings have been put under control with this particular convention, would you say that it is a horror for the all-progressive Congress yet? I would quickly say that if you should try and get the script of the National Chairman, you know, he said, you know, a certain speech, he did mention that we would like press to work with us, you know. Well, there's no wrangling in our party, the convention has been done and dusted, we have moved forward. There is nothing to discuss about, you know, issues here and there. We call on the Nigeria media to report what is going on in the party to find out what is going on. We employ media, Nigeria media, especially to place, you know, get to the sector, to get the information. Our party is one, we are one now, it's not easy to have, you know, with the 2020 electoral law, it's not easy to have, you know, a concessor candidate despite the fact that we have an election in other, you know, positions that, you know, winners were declared, it's not easy. So it shows that we have unity in our party, we are one big family and we are doing everything to ensure that, you know, we get the Nigerian state a good governance. So there's no issue in our party right now. We are one, you know, up until last night, I was on the field and, you know, when I was called for this interview, in fact, it was a very, very, you know, title for me, but because of the respect I have for the stations I have to be here. So we have no issue in our party, we are doing very well. Convention is off the table now. We are just moving forward, we are looking forward and we give thanks to God, give thanks to President Monmouth of Raleigh and the National Assembly chairman has started on a solid rock. So we are moving forward, extremely moving forward, you know. So that's what I see, you know. So there's no issue in our party, we are fortunate. All right, thanks for the opening, Salvo. But we'll come back to the APC and then, you know, the way forward. But we also have, I'm joining this conversation, Gide Johnson, he's a chief lecturer at the Niger Institute of Journalism, NIJ. Thanks for joining us also, Gide Johnson, good morning to you. Good morning to be with you and good morning to be with our viewers and also with my co-panelist and such, you know, the pleasure to be with you. All right, thank you. Okay, so Gide Johnson, it's good to have you join us this morning on the show. Well, thank you, it's a pleasure to be with you. So let's take it off from this point. Do you remember the time where the issue, you know, was, we remember the time where the issue was with Section 82, Subsection 3 of the Electoral Act and also Section 84, Subsection 9 of the Electoral Act, talking about stipulating written consent of all candidates. I mean, if you get to a point where you say there should be a consensus and we saw all of the signatures that were put out there. Do you see, do you still see anyone being disgruntled or any defection after this time out? Well, it's purely for us to see that. But time would tell. This is just the first of the interest at the party we face. The only interest that comes would be with the primaries for the selection of candidates for various offices, this accord the nation for 2023 election. It was evidently clear, like the stationer said, it's looking at the provisions of the Electoral Act and its EPC to its credit that has applied the Electoral Act in its convention. That was a bizarre day. So when we look at the stringent provisions for consensus element, you see that for the National Chairman Office, there was a letter written on the affidavit that has been signed by Senator George Akume. We are asked for the National Secretary's position. We saw the people coming to be platformed to still be accepted for example, the former minister of Barista Sheep to follow us from very many party members because the constitutional element was not, because there was a main concern. We were not consulted. There was no discussion with respect to that. But you know, this is just the end of our next stage. There will be teaching problems and I'm sure they will be able to deal, hopefully they will be able to deal with the education problem. We saw the National Women Leader, someone came up and said, no, I'm not stepping down. For the EPC, someone came up and said, I'm stepping down and started, started, started meeting. So it's, to a larger extent, the convention was, was successful in the sense that after almost two and a half years, EPC was able to have an elected leadership at the, at the party, at the party level. But when we talk in terms of the organization of our, I'm not to show that we have to with the general aesthetics, the general aesthetics of the convention, because we have too many are working, in terms of the logistics, in terms of the arrangement, in terms of the timing, I think that they can do better. And I'm sure they will learn their lessons from what, from what we witness on Saturday till Sunday morning. All right, Mr. Shino, let's still talk about, Gide just mentioned about the aesthetics of the party now. But I just want to find out the aftermath of the Congress and all. Would you say that all members, as it is, are really happy with the process involved that, although before now, some people felt like it was more like an imposition, what are the feel-as that you are getting so far? Fortunately for me, I've not had, I've not felt, you know, how people say that I'm impositioned, you know. I'm actually on the field from last week Monday till yesterday evening. So there's nothing like that imposition, you know. Like what's said, my dear brother and friend, Mr. Gide said, you can see later from other candidates, you know, willingly, you know, complying with the electoral act, you know, voluntarily withdrawing from the elections. And some of them, the way we have a consensus on candidates, of course, later must be written. So it's the past tense convention, and there's no perfect election anywhere in the world. You know, a lot of people, you know, independent media have rated our convention, you know, far higher than the one of BDD. So we thank God for that. So convention issue right now, you know, is, you know, done and dusted. It's gone. So we are forging ahead. We have a very limited time to conduct our primaries, and, you know, submit our name on before July 4th. So a lot on our plate right now to do that, to look at any side of traction or anybody talking or anybody feeling, you know, the convention is somehow, we have conducted a very successful and, you know, peaceful convention. You know, you can see no work out, no nothing, you know, on Saturday or five a.m., we're still unfaithing some contentious issues. Like, you know, people who want to contest an election, you know, like women leader, they voted and we're not in that. So there's no, all those people talking from one thing or the other, these are just side attractions. If you're a busy personality, you don't look at side attractions. You focus on what you're doing, and you forge ahead. So I can assure you APC has conducted one of the best convention ever in this country. And we'll continue to forge ahead. We won't look at it, you know. All the naysayers, all the, you know, Ula Balu from anybody. So we want to forge ahead and we turn that. We thank all the officers that have been showing you. They have, some of them will assume office today under the leadership of Gopna and Bula Adamu. If you remember, we'll discuss about the synesthesia of Bula Adamu. He's one of the credible leaders of our party. You know, party administration is different from Gopna's. So it requires a lot of political history. We stop, you know, and sometimes, you know, a quest of historians to manage different diversity within a larger party like ours. So there's no, I want us to focus on, you know, the future. You don't hear or look at people saying, this is not right, this is not right. We have to move ahead. That has been, you know, that has been taken over, you know, over our table. So convention is coming. And we are looking for, for the next four years to conduct another one. So we are going to go on a promise. Well, but let's also look at some of the concerns. I mean, this is the ruling party that you're talking about. And I'm sure that's why Nigerians are very concerned. And of course, the conversation would continue to go on just before we bring in Gide Johnson. A strong issue that the PDP has actually raised concern is that the PDP has said that the Adamu, that's the chairman, has fraud issues. And of course, we know that for sure, fraud charges, the spin put out especially by this government, you know, looking at the sum of 14 billion Naira, 15 some quarters would say. So how do you, how does your party intend to, you know, manage all of this? And how do you react to this? You know what, anybody can distinguish Senator Uchoa, I don't remember his name, the PDP, National Chairman. He was a senator. He had a case with him when he was a senator. But sorry, when he was a beauty chairman of PDP in 2003. You know, these are allegations and these are, you know, they call it pocnoce in local language. You know, why can't he face, you know, the article issue, a Tambora issue, this hierarchy and the rest of them. Yesterday, their money bag, Ricky just declined a running for election and he's going to bench all of them in their 70s. I can't see face that. Like why is he looking into a successful party like us? A man that's, you know, has led a very successful state like Nassarawa, is a senator, is a chairman of a reconciliation committee. Why is he looking at that? So maybe the reason that he's looking at that is because for a party as the APC, which is a ruling party, and on the premise that, you know, the party has been looked at, you talk about the issue of integrity and credibility and so forth, political party. And if the president is going to have a consensus candidate and if the party would be having any candidate, wouldn't it be good to have anyone not having any of the skirmishes or, you know, fraud, issue, allegation on the side? You have someone, you know, for the status of the party, as one would say, maybe it's on that premise that this issue has been put out. These are allegations. I'm going to pick from the rest. You know, I'm a student of English and I will continue to learn English. That's why the father is not my mother tongue, allegations. Anybody can say, Dr. Ashina, oh, you stole this car. You take me to court. You have to prove it in court. Beyond reasonable doubt. If you are saying 30 billion, 50 billion, 100 billion, you take it to court and prove it. They can also petition. I think demand is right now. It doesn't have something to do that's very tangible. That's why it's, you know, it's public policy. It's unable to resolve those state issues, just those states yet. It's unable to cut in with it. Who is funding this party? Who is respecting all the elders of the party? Talking to everybody as if his father is the owner of the party. I mean, the governor of the state is excellency. So we should face all those things, all those, you know, all those issues in this party. You know, you said allegation. Why would I discuss allegation? If you find out the movie, if a competent court, a competent judicial fine, Senator Adam, guilty, they will can discuss it. Right now, this is an allegation. And, you know, for the image, you know, everyone is looking at the image of the party. And one will wonder that the APC would rather go for. The image has nothing to do. It's a mere allegation. I can say this, my friend, he has told his research. I have to prove it in court. It's going to be, you know, it's going to be half of a place for me to say he's a thief. So this is a mere allegation. Look at God, not yet. He was arrested at the airport. He was brought to the ESCC. He was questioned. But the rest has to be, you know, don't decide in the court of law to prove otherwise. So it doesn't affect the image of the party in any way. Most of them in the PDP has one or two cases. And we are going to find out. About 8,000 cases in the pen and the cell. It does not. And we'll advise that we should focus on the leadership on the progress of our party. All those jobless people in the PDP looking at, you know, somebody alleged that they stole this. But let's bring in Jede Johnson. Let's bring in Jede Johnson. He's still on standby. Jede Johnson, how would you react to this issue? The issue of, you know, fraud has been alleged. You have the PDP saying, hey, this is it. You have the national chairman, a consensus candidate of the APC with a fraud allegation. And this is, you know, a party where the mantra is fighting corruption. And one would think that if you're going to have a candidate, then you would look for one without any of this allegation. The real cause and the problem to me, they are then the problem to me that their online care can be assessed with my due to a 2PC fighting corruption. Disception of the highest order. I've said this as far back as 2015 that it's dissection of the highest order that 3PC to be seen to fight corruption. One, then two for people to try to distinguish between PDP and APC. I've also said it's dissection of the highest order that we have chameleonic political parties because there's no difference between PDP and APC. Interesting thing is that the political class don't care about us. All they care about is for political power. If you look at the history and the antecedent of the actors and players in UPC today, the majority of them are in PDP. And if you look at some of the actors and players in PDP today, some of them, some keep it as one APC in 2014. So who are they deceiving? They can't be deceiving themselves and be playing to the calorie, playing the ostrich. And they can't deceive some of us. And we are like that. So there's no government that is fighting corruption. It's just pure. There will be full corruption on the pages of newspaper. I, personally, have done more than 52 rounds that I've said APC is not fighting corruption. That's why they are usually not fighting corruption. So nobody should be deceived. You cannot fight corruption on the pages of newspaper. You fight corruption of putting in place systemic issues to deal with the issue of corruption. The corruption in NDC, the corruption in NNPC, there are many, many corrupt cases that have lost the light of the day. So don't let us go to that. No party, no political party, either PDP or APC, no political leader should come out and tell us that their party wants to fight corruption. It's not the decision of the other party. I'll be honest with you about that. Could respond to the antecedent of the national chairman. The national chairman of APC Elected by the party is a senator. I hope we will resign. I don't know what I think should be done today is trying to resign a senator as seat so that they resigned. Actually, I've been the first in the issue too. As the elected senator of Nassara West and he has been elected, what we should see in the media today is that it's resignation from being the senator of Nassara West. However, I've said it over time and I said it the last time we spoke about this. The parties in Nigeria don't have conventions. They have colonitions. I told you on Friday when we had Mr. Pao with you that you grab your popcorn and get your subject and watch the colonization ceremony. What we have seen either in PDP or APC from 1999 to today and that has not helped us to deepen democracy. Whoever the stakeholders, the governors brought address to Shimole. They were the major stakeholders. Just like the governors brought Iota IU for the PDP. So we can't play to the career on the basis of partisanship. The reality of the matter is that we have never had a successful convention with partisan politics in Nigeria from 1999 to today from the ruling parties that were there either in APC or in PDP or whoever was coronated. Second also was coronated. Your child was coronated. So four years from now, what we see is that we see that they organized conventions and they will call a list, a unity list. We are the governors who now allocate positions. We allocate positions to themselves, to their state. And they are not a candidate will be picked as a consistent candidate. All right, I want to bring in Osinoa into this discussion right now. A lot of Nigerians are beginning to talk about the capabilities and of course the interest and of course what lies ahead of the APC in the coming days. Specifically, there's a video making the round where it's as though the new APC chairman has some sort of inclination or some sort of bias towards the Hertzman. When specifically he was saying that if spare part dealers can be protected, why not Hertzman? Would you really say that he actually has the interest of all Nigerians and hearts in the wake of Hertzman and you know, farmers and killings that we have experienced in the country of Osinoa? I'm privy to the video you were talking about. But let me progress a little bit. A lot of Nigerians have been saying that, you know, party politics, especially in the APC and formation of PTB and the rest of them. In the U.S., if you can go back to the history, I've attended so many conventions of the Democrats since 2000 and some of them. I think maybe two. I think I missed two. Maybe one. I missed one. If you look at the history of the Republican, the Democrat was amalgamated from the Republicans. Half of the Republicans, some of them that were cast out of the Republicans are the ones that formed the Democrat. So it's not a big issue in party politics because the politics, politics is all about interest. And when you find that your interest is not protected, your ideals and ideas are not captured, you can extract and form with your team member or with your like marks and form a political party. And that is what is at my legacy. The distinguished, there's no distinction between what's happened within the Democratic and Republican spirit and what's happened. I have never been to PDP of my life, I've been from the SDP to AD, ACN and the rest of them. We have so many like that who has not seen or co-scarapated but that does not surprise us. Others who are progressive minded, who find that okay, now they are born again like my friend Dino and come back to APC. And a party, if you say a party has not been fighting corruption, that is not true. You can arrive to the ESCC and find out cases that have been determined. That's by the side. On the video clip you mentioned, Governor Adelaide, the senior senator and presently the chairman of our great party, is addressing a particular issue, not generalize, is a vast Nigerian lover of Nigerian cultural community. He has relations in the South West, in the South East, in the North East, in the North, both the North and the South. So he's a Nigerian, he's a patriotic man. So he's not casting anybody. Iboza are lovely people. I benefited immensely from Ibooma. Till today, he's one of my high com. He's particularly Ibooma from Obosi and the present minister of environment, Sharon Ikeazo, I've been my family friend for more than 29 years. Even when his younger brother is handy of a major bank in this country, most of my Christmas, sometimes I'll be in a non-private. So Governor Ibooma has friends across the board. So he's not casting anybody house at summer if president can protect spare parts seller. Why can't he protect the full land? The full land is at the spare parts sellers and Nigerian. And everybody is under leadership of Ibooma de Prado and they are sold to the constitution to protect all of us. So I believe the president is doing fantastically well on that, protecting all Nigerians. So wouldn't that be right? That section of the clip is not the full one. The media does point out just to, I don't know their aim and objective, they just put their hand to catch us on how that negative attraction about him. So are you saying that the new APC chairman does not have a bias for? So are you saying invariably that the new APC chairman does not have a bias for the full land enhancement? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's a father of all. He's just addressing a conventional issue. For instance, I'm in Obama now, I'm in proud one. I'm in proud of Obama. There's no way issues will happen. And Mr. Ajide, who is there who will be there that he won't have at least a little support from me. You know, there's- Stop it, stop it, let me, let me, you know- Nigeria, Ajide. No, Ajide, Ajide, Ajide. Ajide Johnson, you want to- I'm not saying, I'm not saying he's addressing or he's giving full landing man who is kind AK-47 and head. Ajide, Ajide, Ajide, Ajide, Ajide, Ajide. Okay, let us let a loud Mr. Ajide Johnson speak for himself. Did they go ahead? Now, I think that- Don't back in what Mr. Sinau said. I think that he was sticking out of context and the media will need to pay to contextualize context. It's important. The narrative was changed because a sound bite was taken out of it and we take issues out of context. It's- It's out of the narrative. I think the thesis of his argument is government should provide protection for all my students, that less of their trees than whatever you. Even- As much as I don't share some of his views to some certain thing, but I think that particular age was sticking out of context and it is not good for this country if you found the embers of division. We must do something that must promote unity and whatever you. In government, what he said is in government is protecting and taking money to protect the banks, government should also take money. If there's nothing wrong in government taking money to protect the guests, that they are like jinnas as well and I agree with him. There's nothing- Okay, Jina Johnson. That means government from taking money to protect the fishermen. Yes. Fantastic point you have raised there and we do appreciate your thought on this issue. But as we coasted down because we're almost out of time, let's look at this down. For the APC Convention, as much as there's a lot of clapping and cheering and the fact that it was a successful one, I'd like you to share your thoughts on the issue if the convention was conducted in line with the electoral act. And let's not forget the bone of contention that came up just before that convention started. Or looking at the electoral act as amended 2022 section 84, that at the time the presidency or the president made a request that it should be deleted. So at this point, we don't know if it was deleted because as of now, do you also hear the Senate saying that they're about to declare the seat of Abdullahi Adamu vacant? So apparently. I'd like you to share your thoughts. Do you think that the convention was conducted in line with the electoral act? A respected electoral act? I don't know what you mean. It's a new act. And there is some enmity with respect to its application. I'm sure what the liquidation is between us to see whether they comply totally whether I can tell you from what you witness and from what we have read from the letters of the law and not the spirit of the law in this contest now which is left for the judiciary. The lawyer has to interpret is that it has complied to a great extent with respect to it. And you know I started on the letter. The national chairman needs to resign his appointment as his election as the senator of the sentencing Nassarawes. Above all, my final kick on this is the debt of progressive politics in Aikido. Mr. Oshinawa that is there and my brothers, my team and team that are from the south to west that have the progressive ideology. They just witness their death near to the coffee. There's no platform for them in the EC. And I'm sure most of them will not run their election on the EC platform. Probably they will go back to EC and run their election because Mr. Oshinawa, are you in process? It's clear that the ultra-conservative elements the ultra-conservative element has taken over a house that was built by the progressive elements of Nigerian politics to have an all-inclusive party that have everybody but FPC is no longer from what we witness as a strategic communication expert and as someone that has an understanding of the political landscape is the debt of the progressive ideology. Ultra-conservative elements very quickly as we round off. Let me quickly say this. Party formation, I agree with you because a lot of people we are discussing what you waste. There are almost three years this morning. I will first of all appreciate Merci for accepting that we have done a very good and credible election coming compliance with the law. Number two, Mr. Ajide, I'll share your view but I am not really in compliance with that view. Don't forget that the party is run by two major forces, the National Secretary and the National Chairman. And if you look at, you know, Senators Mishore, who is a sound-minded person who is now leading the administration of a party, there is no way any agenda that or traverse to the idea of the progressive will be erased totally. And I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. So let's cross our fingers. I believe the chairman is a fantastic man. He is a father of all. Mishore is not the progressive ideology. Mishore, don't forget he's a founding member of the HD in the Southwest. Don't forget that. A lot of people don't know. You know, a lot of things are not. I'm sure you know that. I'm sure. But at this point, gentlemen, we have to let you go at this point. But quickly, so we just share your thoughts briefly on it. And so we have some, I mean, we have viewers on the other side as well. So we have to put ourselves together as we do this. But I will allow Mr. Shunowar to share his thoughts briefly just in a few seconds. The question is, with the National Walking Committee with the election and all that you have come up with at this point, the national leadership, the youth leader, the woman leader, and everyone that, you know, had the whole consensus. How's it put again? The consensus lists given. In unity. Or the unity list that led them to becoming the candidate. Is this the best, all of these candidates, that's the best that, you know, the party can come up with? Just in a few seconds, in a few seconds, please. We have, we have some elected positions that we have a consensus and complies with the 2020 electoral. So we have, we are going to worry, you know, where we concluded that it complies with the extent of this country. Some of the, some of the elected commissioners, ministers are not allowed to vote at the convention. It means that we have completely deleted it. No, but commissioners are just spectators. Some of them are in their hotel rooms. Ministers are not allowed to vote. Okay. You can imagine that. So we, Gide Johnson. All right. All right. Gide Johnson, that's my final word from you right now. I would be, what are the tasks I had of Adamu, you know, to ensure that the parties stay united and of course they face, you know, the issue of maybe trying to control the machinery of government again in 2023. Unity, unity of the unityist will be tested with the families. So you all grab your popcorn and your ice cream. I'm ready to observe what happens with the families which you soon start in NS. All right. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you so much. Myself and Mr. Oshino will come back and then we have him. All right. You're welcome. All right. Thank you guys. We've had back here Oshino and of course Gide Johnson join us as we look at the APC convention return of July at the more emerging as national chairman. It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa. We'll take a quick break. 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