 You know Leslie if I can jump in there one more time I think another reason why folks are very skeptical of this story of the origins of this story not the content I think everyone's on board with this is real But the way the story has come about the other thing is the New York Times of course I mean it's awesome and I have no doubt in terms of the way that you're telling it with inside the New York Times and how it operated and they're Careful and measured approach and moving it through the thing, but the New York Times I mean where was the New York Times with it with the 12 part investigative series on your book your book had Has incredibly Authoritative trusted voices in it the New York Times was nowhere near that story Where was the New York Times with with the disclosure project the congressional like disclosure prop project again? Dozens and dozens of highly credible highly Credentialed people in style inside the deep state then New York Times was nowhere to be found So I don't think it really rings true to say well, they were never given they were never given a shot at it It's like no go. I did this before the show for the show you go Google New York Times UFO the last ten years. There's nothing and now December it all Opens up and of course the sea is closed right and that they didn't really do a follow-up story entity and to add to that It's the timing which is suspect as well because Podesta and Hillary were supposed to be the disclose a lot of people were hanging the disclosure hat on them as you know And then when Hillary lost and Trump's in the timing seemed suspect that all of a sudden Now they're paying attention to the UFO thing and I know there's not a lot of I can't cite a lot of evidence for that But I think that's just building on the reason why some of the community just just doesn't doesn't trust it or not Doesn't trust it but it's skeptical of the of the origins I mean for one finally after decades and decades they're admitting this, you know, I mean, it's great on one hand I mean, I think it's fantastic and it has been I mean I like to let let you comment on that before I ask you I ask you more about the disclosure aspect Comment now what specifically I mean, I mean in terms of what Alex was saying I don't think there's ever been a story like this That has been brought to the New York Times as something brand new exclusive just for them Yeah, the disclosure project if you're talking about Stephen Greer's press conference That was all over the map. Everybody covered it and it was over even the New York Times I have they did one little article on it and then my book I mean, it's all in my book. They only want stuff at the New York Times. That's brand new and exclusive for them That's breaking news. That's a different. They're not gonna just repeat something that's already out there But this wasn't exclusive Well, it was Play the clip. I mean he went to CBS Afterwards doesn't make any difference exclusive. I mean that the Times broke the story and had the exclusive story And then everybody else jumps on afterwards But that's what it means to have an exclusive that you break it the biggest story in in in history, right? It should have been if it's if it's real in that way or if it caught the traction They wanted to where's the 12-part series, but then he just can goes and makes the rounds I mean, it's like a guy coming out with a new book. He goes on CBS He finally makes the box play the thing from a Tucker Carlson. I thought probably did the the the best So yes, I mean Elizondo graciously much to his Disse he didn't like it. He didn't want to go on the media. He'd never done it before he was very nervous He took he was coached and he did it He did this following the release of the article But the important thing was the release of the New York Times article and yes The media went bananas afterwards and yes, he was willing to be interviewed about it. I Don't really understand the point you're making well I think you you do you just have a different opinion which is fair But I'll make a different point that's related you've been in this field So you certainly understand The other hesitancy people have given the amount of misinformation Disinformation criminal activity coercion Intimidation that's going on with the release of this information. I mean a Paul Benowitz kind of thing where they admit Yeah, we drove the guy crazy. I mean they admit that stuff But there's tons of other people have come and said hey I was threatened my family was threatened all the rest of stuff The they've kept such a tight lid on this information to juxtapose that with this release Just sends a lot of people reeling like and then to say well this one wasn't classified and you know somehow There's it just doesn't ring true to me and to a lot of other people There's some other story here. You're not responsible for that story Your response for telling your story and you've done a Fantastic job with it and it's kind of in sync with the way you've done your book kind of cautious But built on solid rock, which is what we need But I think you understand why people would be you know a little bit leery of the deep states out there Muscling and bullying people and now all of a sudden it's like oh no here come to the trough and eat Please check out the skeptico website you can see it here recover a lot of different stuff You might be interested in relating to controversial science and spirituality a lot of shows up there over 350 of them are so all free all available for download. So do check it out