 I'm Dave Woodall. I started to learn to program about a year and a half ago. And I didn't have any background, business background, design background. Actually, I did this t-shirt for you guys, so I hope you like it. The, oh, yeah. So I'm trying to chart a new path because Rails and Ruby are incredible, and I heard a lot of good things. And I felt like it solved a lot of my business problems, but didn't know how to get into it. So I kind of worked with Mike Gayhard, and he said, hey, help share your story and see if it helped anybody. So this is just kind of a quick synopsis of where I've come from. It's first started with four months of self-study, pretty normal, but learning the vocabulary, reading a lot of books, lindu tutorials, that kind of thing. And then about a year ago, I go have lunch with Mike for the first time. And I'm like, Mike, I know what an array is, but I have no idea what it does. And how do you actually use this stuff? And so he had advised me, he said, check out the hacker academies. So I ended up going to Code Academy and where I learned how to build CRUD apps, three month process there. And that was incredible, just to get everything kind of moving. But then the question came as I came back to Colorado. It was like, well, what's that space between, okay, you know, a CRUD app, that doesn't mean there's necessarily a developer yet. So what's that space, and how big is that distance? So being the third class of Code Academy, I was able to kind of watch as two classes went before me. And I just started asking those questions, like, well, where did this get you, or yeah. So they kind of got into two steps before they got to the junior dev place. So this was kind of the path that I've, I'm currently trying to walk and walking on and going from CRUD to intern to apprentice to hopefully junior dev that I was gonna describe with these as I come to understand them currently are. So internship, the idea is that it's kind of a one to three month period where you try to partner with the dev shop and you're just in a community, but you're working on a personal project and kind of what Elaine talked about, the 28 things. There's so much you're learning, but you never really addressed it. So this is the time to go back and just really focus and so I have a project I'm working on with Mike where he's writing user stories that I'm just trying to work toward those, but that's plenty of pressure there. But assuming I get through that three months and the ideas get to an apprenticeship where this now turns into company projects, not necessarily with Pivotal, but whatever opportunity I get. But that's a six to nine month situation where there's an engaged mentor who's gonna help probably with like a 30 minute, like some of the guys are doing in Chicago, they meet with their mentor 30 minutes a day, 730 day to go over questions and just keep the process. So that's kind of what I'm aspiring to next. And then from there, if you kind of look at that, if this is good or not, going from crud to junior developer in eight to 12 months is kind of the aggressive goal. But so hopefully you do that. And I think that's it. So thanks. Thank you. Thank you.