 and. Good evening, good evening, good evening. We are here to chat about a little known indie flick called House of the Dragon. That fancy ass class Jimmy has. Let's show it off. No, it's a Stemless. Actually, people shit on these because, can I swear? I love Stemless classes. I mean, you can't swear. I have a friend and he's super into drinking and he's like, Oh, these are actually garbage because your hand warms up the drink. I don't care. That is true. I mean, he's not wrong, but who cares? But they look cool. Yeah. But it's also it's like it's it warms up the drink, but also it won't get knocked over and break immediately on my table. So which is which ruins the wine more breaking on the floor or being a little warmer? I'll take I'll take the warmer, you know, they didn't have ice and westeros. So welcome to House of the Dragon chat where we discuss wine glasses. Alex, are you still sick? No, I'm sick again. Repeat. Yes. Okay, okay. Because my my lovely children. All the time. Your illness is like Damon Targaryen. You keep trying to banish it and it keeps coming back. It's literally though. Like I still have a cough like a month and a half later, but I ended up this time around I had pink eye and I had a sinus infection. So now partner pillow. I've gotten over that. No, just kids are disgusting and toddlers get pink eye a lot and it's all over my children's school. So they just bring stuff home like presents. It also doesn't help when you yawn and your two year old literally coughs directly into the back of your throat. I'm pretty sure it's a surefire way to get sick. Would you say a black eye is worse than pink eye? Like which is the worst eye? I mean, pink eye your eyes just turned pink. Well, I think the cure for pink eye is a black eye. What? Punch it out. Alex, come here. I just use drops. You got something in your eye there. Let me get you. You can keep your tongue. See what I did there? All right. All right. All right. All right. Yes, I need a leeching, a good leeching. Pull all the toxins right out of my body. You don't want to let that thing fester. Exactly. I mean, I guess based on Alex being sick, he can be the series this stream. Who would you like to be, Jimmy? I'm Craig and Stark, even though he's not in the show yet. No, has to be in the show. It's cheating. You can't be like, I'm a super fan of a name, a person that's not in the show. I'm Blackwood. I'm the Blackwood kid who killed the bracken. Got it, the dude, which is the most underrated scene in the entire season, by the way. It's such a good. Just happens in the background as they're walking away. And it's like such a nod to the hardcore. It's like, ah, I loved it so much. I think so. Jimmy's not a character. He's a scene. I am a scene. He's like, that's like the title of a fallout boy song. I'm not a character. I'm a scene. He's literally the background sword fight that happened as the main characters walking toward the screen. I'm OK with that. It's a choice. It's a choice. I'll live and die for myself. People are in support of this. To the Blackwoods. What a feud. Like, just give me that spin off. I know we're going to do 10,000 sea snakes or whatever the hell. Just give me the egg, dude. Give me Duncan. And I'm so excited. But, you know, what we don't want is the John Snow show. I just I disagree a little bit. I mean, I could be good, but like, but you try it. Right. Yes, I watch it. It's like heroin. My issue with that show is it's I feel like where like dum-dums say that House of the Dragon is like copying Game of Thrones without understanding why that's dumb. Yeah. I feel like the John Snow show is going to be like, remember Game of Thrones? Like, but also just the phrase the John Snow show. Well, I just can't take it seriously. I certainly hope they they workshopped that a little bit. This week on the John Snow show. Now, my friend Matt had a really cool idea. Even a show with the snow. And he said the snow show could be something that includes Fagon, since they didn't use that in the books. I thought that was kind of a cool idea. Which is honestly the first time that I was like, OK, like, I mean, I was going to watch it anyway, because I'm going to watch it. Are they going to use it to just like fix a bunch of shit that was wrong with the show? I don't. I think that what it is, if being honest, like, I think the exact thing it's going to be is a very deep character studying the John Snow and like what it means to be a hero after the being a hero is done. I think that that's what I assume Kit Harrington would go for. So I don't expect this big grandiose of thing. I'm expecting like six to eight episode mini series to tie up his arc. What are they supposed to be two seasons? I do not know. I haven't heard any numbers for something else. Are they going to fight the cold? I don't know if it's going to be Alex. It's John Snow. All he can do in the show is fight. I don't know if it'll be so much about fighting as it'll be like, does he have kids is Valo over there? Sure. You know, but are they going to bring back the White Walkers? No, I don't think so. I don't think I don't think, dude, I mean, I could be wrong. What's the threat? I'm going to put money on the show is going to end with some version of like the Whites are back or something. I bet I bet that would not. How about this? I said this this show had a high ceiling. I think that the snow show has a deep floor. It has a deep basement that it could go into. But I'll check it out if it comes out. I mean, why not? If Ryan Condell does it, I have he might not. He doesn't have anything to brood over anymore. Daenerys is dead. So now he might have some lines that he killed her. But now you might actually have some lines. I don't want it. What don't you want, John? What don't you want? An episodic show with him and Tormund just going round solving wildling issues. Oh, yeah. Money would be like mid summer murders, but like a buddy cop. Beyond the wall addition. I would be. It's going to be great. So how's of the dragon? The show we're actually here to talk about in theory. We'll get to it. Do we want to talk about like our expectations going in, you know, as book readers, seeing trailers, having seen them fuck up on Game of Thrones? Like, what did we think before we watched episode one? What did we expect? So I was optimistic and I felt pretty confident it was going to be OK just because of the things that we heard about George like reviewing the scripts. And I think that they had a chip on the shoulder, like something to prove a little bit. And Ryan Condell is awesome. And so is Miguel. So I was optimistic. It's it actually exceeded my expectations in a lot of ways because I was winning a competent show. Like I just needed to be good, like, OK, not talking about Emmys and these type of things. But as the season went on, it became very evident that this is like a heavyweight show. This is a heavy hitting show. And in some ways, you know, reflects some of the strongest points of Game of Thrones, but also at least to me, did its own thing and, you know, it became must see TV for a lot of people like people at my work were talking about this that hated the end of Game of Thrones ward off. And it's just nice to actually be able to be happy about an adaptation for once. Yeah, pretty much agree. I was cautiously optimistic. There weren't like a ton of red flags about the show specifically like in a vacuum like there were for other shows like Wheel of Timerings of Power when they before they aired. Other than we know that Game of Thrones, at least in a lot of people's opinions in mind as well, kind of fell on its face toward the end. But with D&D not in charge of it, I was optimistic, but cautious. And when I first watched Episode One, I immediately felt like I was watching Game of Thrones again. I got that, you know, I captured that feeling again, just the lower stakes at least to begin with, you know, intimate scenes with characters, politicking, good dialogue. Not like I am good, just actual good dialogue. And it just everything about it like the again back like set designs, costuming music, everything. But how could you tell who we should root for in House of the Dragon when nobody said I am good? You know what? We'll get to it when we talk about colors. OK, but it was just saying to show his paint by number. Exactly. It exceeded my expectations in every way. And most of what I saw like shitting on the show, I just didn't agree with. Or I felt like people were kind of poo pooing it for dumb reasons. Or sometimes like everyone poo pooing it. But I certainly feel like there's people that are like, it's like that that dude that was like had his heart broken by some girl and now every relationship he gets into. He's like, she's just going to cheat on me. All women are whores. Just like, OK, Game of Thrones did suck. Well, you don't have to preemptively hate this just to be like, I'm not going to get fooled again. You can't get me. I can't fall in love with this. If I don't try, you know, are you saying there's a subset of users on Twitter and Reddit that might be in cells? I did not say those were I did. Yeah, you know one thing about the nitpicking because there is stuff and then there's some stuff to critique in the show for sure. But you know, it's beautiful is when you don't have to worry about the costume and the set and design and the overall writing and the performances and the plot because it's all good. It's all gravy. They start taking that stuff for granted and then we can actually like dive in and say, well, what if they would have done this? And we start like piecing things together. So the fact that the discourse was around some of the events and like, what were the motivations? What was the subcontext? It got a little bit annoying at times, but it shows the fact that a lot of the bones, like the you know, the bare structure of the show is solid, which is great. What about you, Leanna? Yeah, no, I mean, kind of the same. I because they got rid of the knuckleheads that ruined Game of Thrones, I was like, well, most of the team that did Game of Thrones was good. So they have those people back, but the source material has a completed story. So there's no like open end where they're going to, you know, have new showrunners that equally fall on their faces when they try to finish a story that's not finished. Yeah, I was like, it's contained. It's finished like they learned from their mistakes. I was like, I don't know if like, it'll be as exciting or interesting to watch, but I'm sure it'll be quality is like kind of my expectation. And then I was good. I was going to say like, my experience of watching the show was kind of like my experience reading Fire and Blood. I expected to read Fire and Blood and be like, this will be quality and it may not be that fun to read. And then I had a ball reading it. I actually enjoyed it. And then watching House of the Dragon was the same. I was like, I think it'll be quality. I don't know how invested I'll be in this. And then I like half way through, I was like, I think I like this more than Game of Thrones. So I don't know that I would go that far. But but like you're saying, it's the issue towards the end of Game of Thrones was their writing. Like everything else was fine. It was like dialogue, logic and like the way that it was literally written was what went downhill. And I feel like they knocked most of that out of the park with the show. I mean, yeah, they changed some stuff from the books either to make it cooler on screen or creative decisions that ultimately don't impact it all that much. And they also expanded on things that you kind of had like a vague glimpse of what happened in Fire and Blood. And then they explained it. So I mean, that's their explanation of it. That doesn't necessarily mean like that's 100% the way that it happened in the book. It's still for interpretation, but it's cool to get that kind of closure in a sense of like Damon's wife, like she died. They basically showed you like, no, he definitely killed it. Like, so little things like that. That was one of the first scenes that I disliked in the show. But see, but that for me, I was just like, okay, they're just confirming that he did it. But I mean, you can just cut away, maybe he didn't. She's still laying there. I just look at the scene when we just like see him looking like a Jedi waiting in the like walkway. I was waiting for the lightsaber. I was like, what is this scene? I don't like. They may have reached for the cloak a couple of times too many in this crime hoodies art. But I mean, it's going through the city hiding your identity. But if you're standing in a field and you're just standing there alone, put on. And I'm like, what is this scene? Yeah, that scene was one of those ones where it's like, okay, we got to shoot this and we got to hurry up and get out of here kind of deal. Like, I don't know if they had a time set on that. And they were like, yeah, the park rangers come and we got to dip. But that scene, I think out of the entire season actually might have felt the most out of place. Well, I suggested we'll either cut it entirely because you don't need it. Cause like there's lots of conversations later that allude to this happening. So you don't actually need to see it. But if you do want like us to see her face and like us to see who she is, if they had said, oh, I'm going riding. And then we kind of pan over. And then the next time we see the horse, the horse is rider list cause it's riding without her. And then we pan over again and we see that she is like dead and then maybe you see like the brush of a cloak somewhere leaving. And you're like somebody probably killed her or was it an accident? And then I see Damon and he's confronted about it. And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like that would be subtler. Like what about Cyrax going off through the clouds? Like you just pan over. Yeah, something instead of like standing in the water. I mean, I literally could have even just had like, like Damon kicked up on a table. Like maybe she fell. You'd be like, yeah. Yeah, they don't need the scene at all. But yeah. Now one thing I did like about the scene. Yeah, there's gonna be spoilers guys. Like the show's been out for a while. We're talking about the entire season. Also that happened in like the first couple of episodes. We're gonna spoil the show of the show. Yeah, geez. One of the things I liked about that scene and they did this also whenever Krispy Kohl kills Joffrey at the wedding is that they added like some confusion. See, so there's things about it I like. And I like the fact that it's very confusing what's happening and what's instigating these things. And in spirit is keeping true to fire and blood and the fact that yeah, we are getting an interpretation of what happens in history through House of the Dragon. But there's still like room for him. You know, it's a little bit ambiguous. Like what happened with the horse? Did Damon scare the horse on purpose? Did the horse just gets, I don't know. I mean, he bashed her head with a rock after. It doesn't really matter. That's because she called him out. Yeah, how dare she? But you know what I mean? When you can finish, she's like, but no, it's just like, what was he doing standing there anyway? If he wasn't there to kill her, like give me a reason he's standing in that walkway. If it's not the killer. Yeah, the issue ahead with that scene that like I love that entire episode. And most of that scene, what I didn't like the wedding Krispy Kohl ceremony that happens. But yeah, Krispy Kohl, the fact that he did that and like no one gave a fuck. Yes, yes, well, thank you. So I got a promotion. But like, so like in just in that moment, the fact that like no one stops him, no one does anything. They just watch it happen and like other people start fighting and then he leaves. No one, but then he just gets up and walks out. He's just like, that's done now. So to defend it in in in in very light terms, I would say that one, Krispy Kohl is the baddest man in King's Landing. Like if someone tries him, he's going to kill them. Graham McTavish would definitely stop him on his hands. I hope he does. But the second thing is the Kings Carter are a pretty privileged bunch. They definitely get away with a lot more serious dumbasses, just like, what's happening? He's like, he just killed a favorite of the prince consort person. Yeah, it's certainly in front of everybody. It is certainly a huge deal. Right. And maybe we should have seen some of that fall out. Like maybe it would have been nice to have another episode with that, which is a couple episodes actually where I felt like things could have been expanded or even some lines that imply that time has passed. But there was a time in which he had to earn back good favor because he had done that or stop me. Jesus Christ. Well, like in the book, he dies there in the tournament, right? He dies in a few days later from the balloons he got from the tournament. Yeah, which my big beef with the show is is that I actually this is a hot take and someone actually Esther mentioned this in chess that too many child bursts. And I totally understand. But like that is true to this source material because this is all about who's the heir in a succession drama, right? So I was kind of a war is between two mothers. Yes. And in this time in Westeros and really all time in Westeros, all about pumping out the kids, keeping the line pure, keeping it going, all that stuff, right? So I like the fact that they were kind of uncompromising with that. But my problem is, is the reason why they cut the Joffrey scene is simply this. They said, we already had our tourney seen earlier in the season. We can't do it again. Well, it's not. It's also the fact that we have to have a death at a wedding because that's tradition for. They probably also did think I would imagine they said, well, wouldn't it be great if someone died at this wedding? We did basically say that they're like, well, you have to have a death at a Westeros wedding. And then we got this par for the course. I would compare it very much to Gregor Clegane and the just him running a muck, burning and pillaging, you know, a complete countryside in Taiwan, Lannister being like, it's fine. Yeah. And then it's not like the prince's favorite in front of the prince. Well, yeah, it's not exactly. But I'm trying to show that there is a certain amount of privilege that comes with being a favorite of someone in court, which Allison then provides the protection for him going forward. So that's where also I was like, at this point in the story, I don't really get why Allison would stick her neck out for him. Like at this point, there's not been enough between them. She feels like Chris and her have been betrayed by Vrnira. Yeah. But they just had a conversation like a day ago. And all she knows about him is that he did bang the princess. So like now I'm going to defend you like I just watched you murder somebody after you told me that you did have relations with the princess. You seem like a pretty not great guy. Yeah, but he's about to kill himself. So I feel like, especially with her with her pie, like how pious she is. I feel like she probably looks at that and has pity on him in that moment. And says, like, look how hurt he is and look what he has just done. I'm not saying it's the greatest decision in the world, but I can kind of see it. And to be fair, Allison's dumb as shit. She made she she started playing a game that she didn't have all the pieces for. And it's very much pressure. Well, she went from being a pawn from being a pawn to being a queen and like had to figure out how I mean, how good was her entrance to that wedding, though, the wedding feast, I should say, when her walking green dress sick. And then we get that line of exposition from, I think, Harwin. Yeah, it's like greens when they go to war, just so you know, viewers. Not also, like it just like so the wedding episode was like my favorite and least favorite episode because it did so many things that I loved and so many things that I was like, you did this for like spectacle that doesn't really make narrative sense. Like Allison walking in like that. I was like, you're declaring war because you heard that Rhaenyra slept with her Kingsguard. So you're like, let it be war now when you have like no power. Well, that isn't there. And like, girl, I mean, I know what you mean. But I think the dress is subtle enough that no one's going to say anything because the reason why Harwin Strong actually tells that guy next to him is because they've lived in almost a century of peace. So these people have forgotten what an act of war looks like in Westeros. So I think that, I mean, it is bold. But I think that that is like kind of the idea is that she's coming to her own and in a way, it's almost like kind of sack is Carrie, the actor Emily, Emily, Carrie or Emily, yeah, Emily, Carrie. She I thought she did really good in the show, but it was like we only got her coming out party then. And then we switched the actresses, though Olivia Cook and her looks so identical, my wife didn't even notice. She was like, I like, why did they change Rhaenyra and not Allison? And I'm like, oh, see, actually, I thought the Rhaenyra match was closer than really Allison. Yeah. The only reason I didn't is because Milly's got some some teeth that like her jaw is so pronounced that it's like. She looks like I didn't think that any of them looked identical, but I thought the Rhaenyra match was closer. Well, Crispy Cole looks identical because. It's a vampire. Obviously, the more noticeable ones, which we can talk about just like the aging up of the characters every three episodes or whatever it was. But like Amond is one of the more noticeable ones, obviously, like most of the kids. Well, I feel like the young actors for Amond and Aegon look reverse of each other. Like the young Amond looks more like old Aegon and the young. I agree. Yeah. All those performances were fantastic. Yeah, they're performing of the interpretation of how the character was good, but they're like faces. I agree. Yeah. Speaking of Crispy Cole, though, like the I don't know what that was. The whole scene, though, of him just like spewing everything to to Allison. She was like, oh, it was me. I slept with the queen. She was like, oh, the fuck. I was so mad at him. I was really hoping again for that scene to have like, OK, I think I said this in my video. I was really hoping for a scene where they are talking and never talking about the same thing and only the audience knows what they're talking about, where she's like, I want to know a thing. And he's like, I can confirm that thing happened. But at no point are they saying the same thing? And then she walks away going, she did sleep with Damon and he walks away going now. She knows that I slept with her. And then later he realizes that Allison thinks that he's confirmed that she slept with Damon and he's not going to go back now and tell her that actually I was talking about me. And like, that's what I wanted that scene to be. But instead he's like, it was me. I did it. She's like, well, now you're my favorite person in the world. And now I will defend you against anything and everything because you slept with Rainier and told me about it. Enemy of my enemy, something like that. Right. I mean, Crispy Cole was by far the most frustrating character in the show, right? He's definitely the most punchable. I want to hit him so hard. So hard. So who else wants to hit him so hard is Allison. Yeah. That a little bit of hint towards the end of the season. I think it was in the coronation episode where she's like, for your queen. And she kind of gives them. Then again, all she's got at home is Viserys, so. Well, let me ask you. Crispy Cole looks pretty good. Do you two do you two believe that Crispy Cole and her got it on while Viserys still left? I don't think you think she's leading them on. Yeah, I feel like if they at least in the show, like if they were going to do it, they would have shown us something. So again, like I think she's manipulating make sense. Yeah, I think it's also in direct contrast because we see her go from that scene to standing up for her to her father for the first time. And he says, you know, you're just like your mother and she doesn't bite. She's like to whatever and she walks away. And then we go directly into the scene where now Laris is manipulating her, which, you know, I know you guys had to have loved that scene. I didn't care. I was laughing. I thought she was a liar. Dude, I was dying. I texted you also. OK, I thought it was funny. I didn't it was super random. I was like, dude, this is getting so funny because I was like slowly building to the. I was like, oh, he's doing that now. OK, that's not on Ben Denny. The Song of Ice Fire podcast is my friend, Matt, our number one search term for our entire channel is foot fetish because we made a stupid short and we ruined our outcome. Yes. It's a Laris feet and foot fetish or the two tops. As I was watching it, I had I had heard people real quick. I had heard people so mad about it. And I was I was like live, like not tweeting, but I was like live texting. I was just like, why are people so mad about this? This is fine. Well, like, what do you guys don't like? Oh, OK. But so I don't actually think that he looks like walking in Phoenix at all. However, when I was watching the show, I did think his character so extremely reminded me of Commodus in Gladiator, like the entire time I was watching it. I was like, I don't think he looks like walking in Phoenix at all. But like the way he's like whiny Prince, who's like, love me, love me, no one loves me in private. And then in public, he's like, they're cheering for me. Like, I mean, you can see his face change when he got on stage. And I think the dialogue between him and Alison and the carriage over was really important because I kind of felt a little bit formed there, even though he's a piece of shit. I actually felt just a little bit for me. You know, my dad never loved me. And you're like, yeah, fuck, that's which feels like Commodus from Gladiator. Yeah, 100 percent. Yeah. And and then when he gets on stage, you know, and he's like seeing people accept him. It's like, oh, this is kind of sick. He starts that sword thrust and he's like, oh, they liked it. It's like, dude, that whole ornation was the shit. It was so good until they ruined the entire show. Oh, geez. I mean, all right, I mean, I thought that that was I thought a lot more people were up as in Jimmy. Oh, my God. I love that the peasants died. They're traders. You do. And they're performing trees in by being. Yeah, they were forced, but I don't care. Trees in this trees in this. But I thought a lot more people were upset about episode nine. And then I like, you know, you talk to people outside of like, you know, go outside of the subreddit and you realize that it's one of the higher range episodes and like people loved it. And which I've spent hours, I think, now talking about how it makes sense. So I won't bother. I won't bore everyone. It's like being on Twitter for five hours and then walking outside. Like, did you see this thing on Twitter and they're like, what's Twitter? Oh, yeah. You haven't talked for hours on my channel about it. I've only been the one defending that scene. Well, I would like to add your voice to the people yelling at me. The fact that anyone thinks that Rainey's gives a shit about peasants is I don't even know where to begin. I don't even know where to begin. The show is a critique on Marnarky and the fact that people think a bloodline is superior. I mean, yeah, Rainey's isn't a good person. She's she might be better. Exactly. She might be better than some, but she's not great. It's all relative. And a show in which an entire family is trying to kill each other for a chair. A show in which the virtuous characters that you're rooting for are all doing incest. Yeah. And I see advocates saying not burning the greens creates a plot hole. It's not a plot hole. It is not a plot hole because you have to remember Rainey's has grown up during the century of peace. And she says in the next episode exactly what why she didn't do it. It's not her. It's exactly what I said was her position in the previous episode. I was like, I called it. Yes, fucker. But not only that, for Rainey's the character, this is the first time we actually see Rainey's have agency. Literally, they give you an example in an imagery by locking her in a tower earlier in the episode and then trying to be played. And Rainey's finally says, I'm not having any of this. And we see her go through trauma all season long. And she says very few lines. Actress did a fantastic job. And this is her moment of agency. I also saw people saying that they felt like Allison's agency was taken away by the whole Aegon Viseris thing, which is I don't think people know what the word agency means. Like, I think they're actually just they just don't have any idea. You keep using that word. I do not think it means it drives me crazy, you know, and I'm not going off on you advocate and chat. I'm more so just generally going off. But it's not a plot hole. It's not it's Rainey's taking. Like for people saying that the debris would as likely have killed Rainey's when she goes through the floor like that. I'll be like, yes, fair point. She could easily have died from that. Like, I'll give you that. But in terms of like her like motivation to do this, her motivation to choose not to burn like all of that, like her character decisions, like that's checks out for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And people are pointing out the family ties. But also, there's other people on that stage that have nothing to do with her family as well. If she burns someone of the faith right there. So now you have now you have a problem with the faith. She would be doing Regicide, Kinslaying, like faith person slaying like the number of like high crimes that she would commit in one blow would be a lot to consider. Yeah, a lot of people said the war would be over right then and there. And now they may win it, but the war would not be over. It actually would begin the war. Yeah. And then you would probably have high lords coming out against her and also Allison has another kid that wasn't there. Yeah. Yes, that's right. We have Daron, right? And he or however you say, Daron, Daron. But also another thing about that is, do you think if Rainey said burned all the greens that Rainier would have came in and said, yes, that was a great job. No, she would have came in and said, Rainies, how dare you? I can't believe you killed part of the family and then lock her up forever or put her to death. You know what I mean? Like it's not a good move for the longevity of Rainies. And I think people are like, oh, so she'll kill peasants, but she won't kill the king. Like, yes, because the king matters more than the peasants. Those are the real peasants. Yeah, because they don't give a single F. Yeah, I got. And that that's not the present or whatever. Oh, no. Christoph. Oh, yeah. And that will actually have ramifications later. So. Rainies should have read Fire and Blood. Yeah, I can't believe they kept the show going. So ridiculous. But I mean, also, yeah, I mean, just from a show standpoint, they wanted a spectacle scene with a cool scene with a dragon. Sure. Was it a bit ridiculous? Like, yeah, it was. Sure. But also like to say with a straight face, oh, she should have just killed everybody. Like, that's what I would have done. It's like, OK, you're writing a show, though. Like, you also have to remember that like things happen in books like this all the time because you still want the book to continue. It's not like, like, yeah, they have dragons. They could have just swooped in and killed a bunch of people. But does that make it good? No, it doesn't. Yeah. And I think a lot of people also just go with the presumption of war where you have to remember, again, we've been in a century worth of peace. Viserys has kept the peace just like Jiharis did. And Rhaenys is expecting that even with all of this happening. I think she's still expecting that. And also, it's it's a it's a show of power, right? Like this, more of this to come. Absolutely. The dragons absolutely favor the blacks at this point. So it's certainly not nearly as problematic as people made it out to be. And if David Lightbringer, who I think is one of the best people in the Asylum I Spire community, had an entire thing about it. And it was really, really well put, I thought. And he's been critical of the show in the past and like he's a fair judge. So when I saw him be OK with it, I was like, OK, well, that's interesting. You know, if someone else agrees with me, because for a second, I thought I was going crazy. I was like, am I the only person that didn't think this was ridiculous? But the more, you know, I looked into it, it's it's mostly just online. Yeah, it is. If you just watch the show and enjoy it, like it's fine. Yes, but it's also not nonsense. Like it's not go get a white walker and bring it to Cersei nonsense, which is what people were equating it to. They were equating it to season eight level of dumb. And that's just ridiculous. Like, honestly, I'm way more mad that Kristen could kill Joffrey at a wedding and out of consequences than that. Reynice busted through the floor with a dragon and flew away. I like to see now that was cool. But also the people defending Kristen being able to do that are the first to say Reynice on the dragon makes no sense. And I'm like, I'm sorry. That's weird. Excuse me. Are you saying that a dude killing another dude, no matter the circumstances? Well, that's just how the times were, you know. But a woman on a dragon by the floor. They're like, no, that doesn't fly. That's dumb. Like, well, I would say the Joffrey killing from Krispy is more egregious than the floor because all she kills are peasants. And literally no one cares. And also just why why put her in that position in the first place? Just do it differently. Like that's not helpful. Sorry. Yeah. And also there's a lot of explain what scene would you have rather seen that she snuck away and just flew away? Like, OK. Yeah. But also, like, again, I think that I don't think it's one of these things where we're ignoring logic. I think there's a plenty of reasoning for why it happened. Well, yeah. And again, like for the people saying, well, there was another exit, she could have left another way. Yes. But like, we're talking about what Reynice is thinking on this is. And the fact that she's not going to kill them does not mean that she doesn't want them to know that she's like, I'm the fuck out of here. You can't keep me down. Watch me go by. I'm going to go tell Rhaenyra what you just did. Like, yeah, she's showing that is still a show of power, even if you're not killing people. Like, I literally feel like had she just crawled through the front door in her dragon and looked at them and then flew away or been like, I'm going now. Like all these dumb, dumb complaining wouldn't have cared. So it was like, do you really care that much that instead of doing that, she broke through a floor and killed some peasants? Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. The point was made. That's the point of the scene. Yeah. And we have the context of the next episode with Reynice acting very consistent with the fact that she didn't burn the greens and the fact that she does not kneel to Rhaenyra, which again is a very dangerous circumstance to be in, which it was a funeral like when everyone else is kneeling, she's standing in the back. And then like when I was defending the Reynice on the dragon busting through the floor scene, I was like, her position is like, look, maybe we'll go to civil war over this. That's not my call. It's not my crown. It's not up to me. But if this maybe Reynira is going to bend the knee to this, I don't know. That's not my problem. That's not my call. And when she shows up and she's like, this is what happened. And Damon's like, you could have put a stop to this. And she was like, it's not my call. It's up to you. I was like, exactly. It's not her call. Like, why would she be like, I've singlehandedly decided to start a civil war when it's Reynira's claim and it's up to Reynira if she's going to go to war over her claim. Yeah. And she kneels to her once she sees that she's trying to keep the peace, which does not contradict what she did in episode nine, because in episode nine, all she did was kill some peasants. Yeah. And I can't break it to anybody that was important. No one gives a shit about them peasants. Also, they're true. They're traders. What they were was literally marching through the streets of King's Landing with Kingsguard and like cutting people's testicles off and burning them. Like, no one cares about anyone that lives in King's Landing, but the royalty. Damon, it's so hot. We stand. Let's not pretend that anyone in the history of this world that we're talking about has ever cared about. Oh, no, David is choking Reynira. Oh, I can't romanticize that. Do people were very upset about that and then ignored the fact that he killed his wife? It's like, come on, yeah. Because he was such a great guy until he choked Reynira was my favorite. The unproblematic prince. I literally saw people tweeting and getting lots of engagement on the shithole that is Twitter. And they were like, this assassinates Damon's character from the books. And I'm like, what character? What? He's gonna be like pure evil in the books anyway. But it's also like it's a history book with with a bias retelling from different sources. Also, he's done a ton of much worse things in the show. What are you talking about? You remember when he stomped the dude that was excited to see him in episode three with his dragon? I mean, it was a peasant, so no one cares. Good times. That was funny, though. He's like, oh, he's here to save us. Yeah. So how did you guys feel about the end of episode three? Because that was another really controversial. A lot of people say in spectacle, however, what not. So I had heard the controversy before I saw Damon doing his like suicide run. And people made it sound like it was like some superhero thing. And I mean, I will say it was, you know, fantastical, right? And a little bit of a stretch of the imagination. But he got hit with some arrows. There was I mean, it's a little silly for him to sprint full on toward what looks like lots and lots of archers and like no one hitting him. Sure. Yeah, it's a little silly. Yeah, I'm not saying it's super realistic, but it wasn't nearly as egregious as people had made it out to be. Because I mean, we all remember Battle of the Bastards, which was sick, by the way. It was awesome. Everyone hates on it now. But someone was like quite upset about that scene in my comments. And I was like, look, like two answers to that. One, when we took a look at like a memorable stories from history, they are the unlikely stories. So like survivors of unlikely circumstances tell their stories and you're like, you would think that I would be dead, but this is this crazy thing that happened to me. Those are the stories worth telling. So like some of some of that in a story is like called for because that's why we're telling the story is because it's the uncommon story. And also as long as it's not every battle every time, like if every single time Damon shows up in a battle and he's just like impervious to damage, then I'd be like, OK, this is stupid. But like one battle, one time where it was that that story that legends are made of, that songs are sung about, I'd be like, OK. Kind of like a Galadriel was. Oh, good. In every fight. Well, you see what you do. She has the secret strategy. I'm going to keep doing this. Stab, twist, gut. And if you know the secret method, then you were impervious to damage. There's that. And also every time someone shoots an arrow at you while you're on horseback, you can just like hit my butt. Just hit the dodge button on the road. The worst shit I saw in rings of power and that's why I DNFed it is whenever she's they're trying to stab her and she's going. It's the worst shit I've ever seen. That's because you use your feet, not your hands to fight unless you're doing stab, twist, gut, which is definitely with your hands. So I'm not sure about that. That it was horrible. Yeah. So I mean, it was one silly scene, whatever. It's fine. How did you feel about like that entire plot in general, though? But the crab beer. Yeah. So I loved it because, you know, we have the foresight of the book. So I'll be like, I can't believe they killed him off so quick. What a waste of a character. I'm like, oh, he's nothing. Like he's a footnote. He is a he's a piece of character development for Damon. What I will say is the character, the show more, though, which I get why people would feel that way. Yeah, for me, if he hadn't looked so fucking cool, I would have been like totally cool with it. But like, I do wish we would have made those gross, dude. What a good character design. Yeah. And then like the crab, like the scenes like kind of foreshadowing. I think it was an episode two, right? Wherever they show the crab, like eating a corpse like towards the end, honestly, like the most horrific thing in this entire show was like the emotional roller coaster of being like those crabs are so cute, but they're eating people and just being like, I don't know how to feel about this. I really like the episode three myself, especially with the white stag in the hunt. I thought that Millie's and the guy playing Chris B. Cole, I thought their their dynamic is really good. Fabian is that a name? Fabian's a Chad name. Holy shit. Fabian? I think it's Fabian. They had a baby and they went, we should name him Fabian. It's like they they had an oracle was like, he's going to be the shattiest Chad. He's going to be fabulous. Fabian? The balls. If that kid had grown up a six, he'd have been fucked. He'd probably go by his middle name. Fabian. He's like, my name's John. Yeah, you got to balance it. You got to fit. It's like Herbert. It's like Fabian Herbert. Jones. I don't know what the fuck his name is, but I'm swearing a lot. Let me know if it's too much. I'm sorry, Lena. I swear a lot. I don't want you to get demonetized. Oh, I told her during our empire, the vampire. He was getting demonetized. Also, it hasn't like you read that entire sex scene and swore the entire time and the monetization is fine. But on a different stream that was like with the gals that I have the club with, we were talking about a bodice ripper and that got demonetized. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I think as long as you wait first five minutes and keep clean, I don't think you do like it's just some. That's where you got away to a couple of minutes. He's over. I did not. No, you didn't. It was immediate. I mean, my name on the stream was like, I'm so fucking edgy right now. I'm so fucking edgy right now. So how did you guys feel about like the initial cast, though, just in general, like the the the young the young cast for the first three episodes? It's also weird because, like, as far as I know, right? Like they cast Olivia Cook and Emma Darcy, like crime, and then found people to match them. But our experience of them is that we experienced the young ones first. And we're like, are these older ones going to match them? That's so funny, actually, which is probably why it works so well, right? Because, like, if you look at IMDB and stuff, the lowest rated episode generally is episode six, where the switch happens. But the funny thing is, is after the switch, seven through ten are almost unanimously every rating. Because, like, stuff starts happening because nothing was happening before. And honestly, I think Emma Darcy and Olivia Cook put in a hell of a performance. Emma Darcy killed it as Reneara, I thought. And it also helps that the I can't think of a single member of the cast that I think is a weak point. There's only one weak point. Misari's accent. Misari's accent. I don't regard that as part of the cast. It's so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. I would do an imitation, but I don't even think I could do a bad enough imitation. I will. It's the shits. It's the shits. It just sounds racist. It's so bad. Like, it just sounds they did not have to do that. It's it's bad. Like, it was criminal. They can just retcon it. Like, she should just not have that accent. Legitimately, like a few times when she was talking, I thought that she was speaking a different language in universe. And I was like, where's the subtitles? And then I was like, oh, no, she's speaking. Dude, that scene with Otto, like to what see episode seven or whatever it was when they're just like sitting down right before like the the building gets burned or whatever. You could literally not understand her. It's so bad. It was awful. It's like she's in broken Westerosi. And it's like, I guess. Oh, man. Sounds like English with a bad accent. It was bad. And also, I do think so. I like Masaria. Like the actress is actually even though the casting is not bad, it's whoever decided to say, do this accent. Yes. And I really like what they're building here. And we're not going to spoil anything beyond season one. But the fact that Masaria is at play here with Otto and she's battling for the people and we see the children fighting pits, which actually had a payoff, which I thought was kind of well, not a payoff, but like there's more to it than just showing it. And then also, you know, the dragon pit scene, we just talked about in episode nine, like this is all going to come together. You know, we have a figurehead for the small people for the first time, maybe ever in Westeros TV history. And I think Masaria is going to have a lot of changes from the books. But I think it's going to be for the better. So we really just need the accent to stop because it could be a great plot point going forward. And she's a good actress. She's really good, especially if she's going to be in the show more. You can't have that accent. Can not keep doing. Well, I like how you guys watch the Narnia movies that they did. I did not. I've seen them. It's not some Christian allegory. So like Ben Barnes played Prince Caspian in Prince Caspian. But Ben Barnes is a real name. Yes. What? I thought that was a character in Lee Bardugo's shit. No, that's an actor playing the character in it. Oh, Ben Barnes. All right, let me look this guy up. Anyway, so Ben Barnes played Prince Caspian in Prince Caspian and they had him do this Spanish accent. And he legit said that he just watched Princess Bride over and over to do that accent. And then the next movie in the next movie, he's still in it, the voice of the Don Treader. That character is still in it. But they just got rid of the accent and the fake tan and just had him be a British dude in the next movie. And I was like, yes. Yeah, that's what we need. Just retcon it and be like, oh, I'm sorry. I went to Westerosi English class. I don't explain it in the Narnia movies. No, you don't have to see Prince Caspian. He's just, hello, I'm a British chappy. You're like, yes. Don't explain it. Just have it happen. Everyone online is going to know why. They're going to be like, OK, good. They admitted their mistake. Listen, like they fixed it. Astrid's calling me out. Why does Jimmy squint his glasses on? It's because I'm old. OK. It's because I'm getting old. Ben Barnes is not a dime pee. I'm 32 in two weeks. I'm younger than me. You're not old. Shut up. Listen. All right. Side story. I went to the eye doctor about a month ago and I went because I couldn't see road signs. You get squinting. You went to the eye doctor. I did. I did. So I couldn't see road signs when I was driving. I went to the eye doctor and they were like, sir, you've been driving legally. And I'm like, but I wear my glasses. That's how bad my eyes. Is it an outdated prescription? That's how bad it was. Yeah. It's like, God. So I'll be blind. It's already is. I'm going to look like Arya in the House of Black and White. No good. Ben Barnes is not a dime piece. I was led to believe that he was a dime piece. This he's no Fabian. He's another Graham McTavish. He ain't no Graham McTavish, but this guy. I mean, you guys don't care about that fandom, but I'm pretty mad that he got cast in that role. And yeah, I'm not pleased. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about him. Which fandom are we talking about? Shadow and Bone. Oh, yeah, I don't care. Oh, Ben Barnes. Maybe from Westworld. Yeah. Jimmy has been listening to Alan about Ben Barnes. It's literally the only place I know him from. I mean, weirdly, like, I feel like me and Alan do agree about Ben Barnes. Yes. So Misari's accent is the weakest point of the show. It's got to go. The worst part for the I feel like we're kind of focusing on the negatives a little bit, but the worst part of the show for me was actually the end of episode seven, wherever we actually see the strongs get murdered by Laris. And we see Lena Valerion die. It's not that I didn't like those Bop points. I thought they were fantastic. I thought the execution of the scenes like in the moment were really great. The actress for Lena killed that episode. I thought she was like how many actresses did we have like Lena for a character that's hardly I know, right? And what about the garden walk? Oh, God, that was awkward, wasn't it? That was hilarious. I'm so glad that they did it that way. It was great. It was serious is disgusted the whole time. He's like, I don't like this. This is icky. And he's just like, how old are you? She's just like, she does the whole like, I'll pay you many children. And he's just like, you are a child. Patty Constantine could have been on some list if they would have went to D&D now, because D&D only made things worse in the show as far as like, you know, graphic nature. This show did a much better job of taking care in those moments, I think, while not shying away from some of the harder moments. And you really saw this in episode four, where we kind of get like the Raniera coming of age sex stuff. It's it's done in a way that's a lot more tasteful than what it was in Game of Thrones. I saw. And also, I felt like pretty much always. I mean, I'm sure there's examples of the counter this that I would agree with. But most most of the time, and I was praising the show for this, especially as compared to a certain other fantasy show that was airing concurrently, that like even even scenes that are for spectacle are always narratively significant and moving the plot forward or doing character development. So like the scenes like with a dragon or with sex or childbirth or violence, like they never feel like, oh, this is just a scene for like showing a cool visual. It was always even cooler because not only are you like, wow, this looks really cool, but also I feel how epic this is because it means things for the plot. It means things for the character. So like the sex scene with the Raniera and and Cole, it wasn't just oh, they're banging. It's like, who's got the power in this exchange and who is like trying to say no to this? But failing to say no to this. And are they do they seem to be consenting and enjoying this? What the trust in the relationship is as compared to what she was witnessing and King's Landing? Like it wasn't just a sex scene because it's HBO and you got to have tits with your dragons. Like it was a scene that was developing this relationship and this situation and these characters. So like it was narratively significant. And it was right after Damon and her were having their issues. And then she starts to get into it. He's like, wait, he's like, no, I need the power. She's just like, no, I'm in control. I'm in control now. He's like, well, I'm still thirsty. So Chris, come here. Yeah. And we see him give up his oath. And this is a guy that has come from nothing. You know, lowborn comes in and is not well-versed. And they took their time with it in that scene. Like there's it didn't just like, you know, they could easily cut to their naked. They showed like she takes off one piece and he's like kind of like, no, but OK. And then he takes off the cloak and is like what? We like zoom in on him putting it down his white cloak. Like we did all those steps because it's not just oh, they're undressing and having sex. Like these were narratively significant. Yeah, yeah, I'd agree. And then he turns into a superset. And he's like, run away with me. Throw all this away. She's the worst thing. And I saw people say like that's so wrong. People are like, that's so ridiculous. That's so stupid. But like, come on, we all know a dude. We all know it did that acted like that after certain actions. You know, just like lost his muscle. I love you, dude. I saw a meme today that was like, hey, you know, come with me. And she's like, dude, I got a dragon. So are you going to hunt every day to feed it? The memes for this show were outstanding. Can we can we just give it up for the memes? I mean, my God, my God. I. Yeah, I agree. It was well done. Yeah. Yeah, it was great, man. And Millie Alcock, man, what a what a performance from her. I hope I see her more stuff because I hadn't heard of her before this show. And I think most people we did a poll on then. Well, I like that in general, the cast was mainly unknowns. Yeah, because that's how Game of Thrones was, right? You had Sean Bean, which this, you know, this show, we obviously have Matt Smith, who killed it. I was really good. And even then Matt Smith is not like a Brad Pitt. You know, he's like, he's a good character actor. He like, he can get lost. You know, people in my discord know Matt Smith from. The stupid scene from Morbius. Really? Oh, no. Not. I don't know him as the doctor. I didn't even know that that scene, the like have sex scene from Morbius was a thing. I thought it was a joke. And I was like, is this a real movie? And they're like, yes, it's in Morbius. And I was like, oh, my God. I knew him from the crown. I watched the first couple episodes of the crown. And that's all I needed to see. I was like, this dude's regal. He has that little inbred look. So the first thing that I ever saw about Smith and was years and years. So like, I'm an original fan. I can be a Jimmy on this. I knew him before everyone else knew him. Where is your Bobby B picture, huh? Yeah, huh? There's this, I think the same author as wrote his Dark Materials wrote some like mysteries. And like, you know, the British TV like did adaptations of them. So he's not the main character in it. It's like about a woman, the Sally Lockhart mysteries. So she's like doing her, it's like a Victorian era. And she's like doing her mysteries. And like someplace she goes to like the errand boy who ends up being like this cockney lad who kind of like helps her out. And he's kind of scrappy is Matt Smith. And he's like, you know, he looks like he's kind of shady and he's kind of tricksy, but he like sneaks into places and like runs messages for her. And like he just looked a lot like a guy that I went to school with. And so my mom was just like, that looks like the guy you go to school with. So for years we were like, if we saw him in anything we were like, that's that guy that looks like Todd that was in the Sally Lockhart mysteries. And then like blown roll. He's the doctor and David Targaryen. He's had this quite the come up as an actor. I mean, you know, I know a lot of people knew him from Doctor Who, but then getting the crown. And I mean, I know everyone memes on Morbius, but like it was a big role. It's certainly a big role in America. So, and then now with House of the Dragon he's like household name. Also all the memes that are about all the people that they say at his casting and him being like, I'm the most popular character. Was I not the only one? I was like, this dude is perfect for Damon. He's great. The only part of his casting look all the time. He's great. Yeah, the only part of his casting that I like had doubts about was just that like I always, you know, Damon is kind of written about and pictured as like a beefier, thicker warrior type. And Matt Smith is kind of lanky and skinny. And so like he buffed up for it, which is a thing you can do. So like, yeah, like that was the only part of it. I was like, I don't think like physically he like looks like it has the Damon body type, but otherwise like he'd be fine. Yeah, a lot of like even Game of Thrones, no one was like jacked. Like you have like the Clegane's that are massive humans. Jason Momoa. OK, sure. He threw it. Yes. But like for the most part, the cast, like Jorah is not some like ripped freak. Like Jon Snow is like my height and build. They're not like big cut dudes because it's not really like that important to the story. So there is that a preteen scene with Jon Snow, Thea, Theon and Rob. And whenever they're getting a shower in episode one of Game of Thrones, they're getting like haircut. Yeah, that's what it was. So apparently before that scene, they all three actors were like doing a push-up competition to try to get like pumped up. But if you go back and I mean, they're they're skinny. But like, if you go back and look at their boys, like they're just tiny boys, boys, boys. Boys, that's that's my Bobby V voice. Well, should we talk about the change of making Raniyra and Allison friends? Yeah, I haven't talked about that at all. And that's kind of a big change. Huge. I liked it because they actually made Allison more interesting in the show and she killed it. Both both. Hold on. Or if not more interesting than certainly more like conflicted and nuanced. Well, it made it like you had a reason to care about her and even even to the point now where like they're at war with each other. You can still feel for Allison, because she was put in such a shitty situation to begin with where she's married to this old man, forced to have kids, like Otto is basically controlling everything that she does. She has a falling out with her best friend. Like she's completely isolated for the most part. Like you absolutely sympathize with her. And then even seeing her struggle with her own kids of like her dipshit son that's always drunk and like he's like, oh, my God, where is he this time? And it's all that stuff was great. And it gives her nuance and like perspective. And it's not just like, oh, yeah, she's the bad guy because that would be boring. Yeah, I personally really liked it. I think one of the things that people seem to to have a bit of an issue with is that they felt like and this word is now thrown around all the time of the Internet and I can't stand it, whitewashing. People felt like they were a little bit whitewashing Allison from the book and even Raniera at some points. But what I will say is we have probably three other seasons to go. They're going to do some heinous shit. I think they just wanted to show why they have gotten to this point because they are living in a patriarchy and it does matter. Like whether or not you want that to be part of the narrative, it's a part of it. And I think the Allison which the people out here defending the greens and saying it doesn't matter what Viserys said. Raniera can't inherit the crown. The greens are in the right. It should be a got a woman can't inherit the crown. Like the rules are what they say they are. If the king says she can inherit, then those are the rules. Fuck off. Yeah, tell them, Liana, tell them. I have to say I think that the age difference being switched is much better. It's much, much, much better. It's a lot less two dimensional. Yeah. Also, would you guys like to comment on the people saying that Emma Darcy is not hot enough to play Raniera? They're fucking stupid. I mean, everyone's in like wigs and makeup. And also the fact that Raniera is described as like not having lost the baby weight and resenting Allison for like being skinny and pretty. And you're like, she's hotter or they are hotter than than Raniera is supposed to be per the book. You know what was a really good moment of dialogue that I missed on the first time watching through is whenever Allison and Raniera are in the carriage when they're young and Raniera says that she doesn't want to be stuck up in a tower, like locked up, having a kid, like pumping out children. And in the last episode, that's exactly what's happening as Damon's trying to rule. She's stuck in a tower, yeah, having a kid. And it's like, man, like, you know, it's that little shit that, like, you know, 90 percent of viewers probably, you know, they just watch and go, I was pretty good. Yeah. And I also just love the fact that they they took the time. What was it? Three different birth scenes to just show you how one, how grueling childbirth is in general. But like in I'll say in this like time period, because it's not real guys. Wait, what? Like having a kid in this situation would not be exciting. I mean, Oz's death were pretty high, especially when, yeah, especially when your husband is just like cut it open, you know, like again, this isn't history, like Westeros is obviously fake, but y'all know what Chainsaw was invented for childbirth like that. No shit. Yeah. Chainsaw was invented as a tool to help the birthing process by let me I'll give you one guess, the gender of the person that invented it for childbirth. What? Yeah. The Charles Manson invented. But yeah, pretty much. But no, just the fact that they like you can argue that the scene that I think somebody earlier said like one of the scenes went on a little bit too long, potentially like shorten that sure to like fill in Damon talking to his kids when, you know, their mom just got burned by a dragon. But the fact that they chose to not only spend time on that, but make it violent and bloody and the sloshing sound effects and like entirely accurate to how this this kind of thing works. It was I love the fact that they did that. It was unflinching. Yeah. Well, it's also the fact that like I love that in a show where like we constantly show gratuitous violence that like, OK, we give equal time to the violence of the bedroom that like it's not that. Oh, women just get to sit it out and just live peaceful lives while the men go out and battle and they're just they just do nothing. They just sit there and eat cake and have it sweet. You're like, um, they're like waging a war just to give you that air that you demanded, like it's not pretty. It's not easy. It's not fine. And they give it equal time in the show as they give the battling and the war. Yeah. And they do the juxtaposition in the first episode of Emma dying and in jobbirth as the tourney is going on. And I know a lot of people are like, I can't believe they're showing people get killed in the tourney. And these are people of how there should be repercussions. But I think Rainey's commentary to Coralus is very telling in the fact that they're saying that, you know, these people have been living in a time of peace and they have no idea what it means to be war. But a couple of Thursdays they are. And I was telling Leanna before we went live how I just read the first page of Blood Meridian and it kind of alludes to the fact that, like they found like he quotes this thing. It's true. It's like they found a human skull from 300,000 years ago somewhere in Ethiopia and it had been scalped. And it's like, man, we've been killing each other and thirsting for blood for 300,000 years. And it's like that first episode is just to show you that, like, even through a century of peace, people don't know what they have. Well, I couldn't stop. I know Jimmy's read that for an Alex Hasen, but it's not spoilers. And this is the part of the live where I bring up Joe Abercrombie. In the end, you almost made it. I almost made it an hour. Almost made it an hour. That is that is breaking new ground. In the age of madness, there's the point where they're like talking about how the songs are written about, like, killing and dying and never about, you know, like a baker or like a builder. And they're like, it's always about killing it. And and Rick is like, is that behavior to encourage we should be saying songs about people who make stuff? How about that engineering? I mean, if you want heroes that are engineers, you can read Ken Liu. That was his whole idea behind the Dandelion Dynasty, is to make the heroes the engineers, which is kind of cool. But House of the Dragon, it's not that. No, what perform? Who was your guys's favorite performance from the show? If you could pick one, there's a lot of really good ones to pick one. Like even David Tenet's kid who played Aegon for one episode. Oh, I loved it. He was what about him ringing his bells out over King's Landing? Going home, land around everybody. That was great. Also, first of all, he's just the subtle of like when when Alice didn't like, takes the knife to an era and tries to stab her. And like, everybody's like, they're talking about how her sons look like, and he's just like, what? Look at them, like what a good delivery on that line was so good. He's just like, like that whole episode. He also permanently had like Pouty on the prince face. Yeah, it was great. I wish he had continued. Yeah, it's a shame that couldn't have kept him because he was so good. But then the the new Aegon was great in his coronation. So, you know, the fact that I think the chat is voted and it's Patty. OK, I was a bit he said, I mean, Patty's the obvious one. I mean, I loved obviously Matt Smith as Damon is fantastic. I mean, Patty is just Patty was given so much screen time and so much love and completely brought to life. And I mean, George himself like takes a set off to him is like, you did this better than I did because, damn, so freaking what's his name? Is it Reese? How do you pronounce his first name, Otto Rice? How do you pronounce Reese? Freaking Reese's Otto was fantastic. Just that old menacing bastard of a character. Yeah, I want more from him. When we talk about, you know, like best performance, I also kind of think like some actors are just like so naturally suited to a role that you just like stick them in a costume and they're good to go versus somebody that like has to perform this role. And in that sense, I think I would say Patty, because he's the most altering himself. Yeah, this character that doesn't mean that I think that like because there's other people that just like weren't like born to play that role. And so you're like, that doesn't I guess take that great and acting skill if you were just like perfect for that role. So it gets like a different way to judge it. So the performance goes to Patty. I was unsure about Patty when he got cast, because I've always ever seen him in The Outsider as the the the cop of the town. And I was like, this guy's going to be king. Like I was like, I don't know. I've only seen him play like a British detective in like Victorian era. It's like everything that I know these actors is Victorian era, British crime. Yeah, that must be your shit. I know what Liana watches, but it's like when Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker, myself included, everybody was like, there's no way this is going to work. And it was fantastic. He shouldn't have, though, because it killed him. Yeah. And I would say that this is that level of performance. No, it was like he is so good, though. Well, it's also, I think maybe we're talking about how much license they gave Patty to say, no, we're not doing the character from the book. I have a vision for this character. Fuck all y'all. We're doing this. And the fact that the author and the show runners were like, OK. Yeah. And this is something to happen in Game of Thrones as well. I will say it got him a little bit of trouble with Danny, I think, because supposedly and not the harp on the ending of Game of Thrones, but in season four is, I believe, when Dan and Dave came up with Danny going mad, which we now know was a Dan and Dave thing only, which is crazy. They did not give us the breadcrumbs to get there. And it's because they let Amelia Clark kind of go her own route. Like she didn't know the plan for Daenerys, which I think is a dumb thing to do. What's like one or the other? Either you're going to let this actor take the character where they want to take it or you have a plan and you say, I hear you, I know that's what you want to do. But that is not end game for this character. We need you to not do that. Yeah. And why not her end? That's why you run the show. Yeah. Because if you if you clue the actor in in season four of eight and you could easily be like, OK, let's work in some scenes where it shows that I'm actually leaning in that direction. Like you can't just heel turn in the final season. But I think Amelia Clark, if you had told her, she's supposed to be showing signs of eventually going mad. Amelia Clark would have met them halfway and been like, I have ideas for that. But you didn't sell her. I would even say that the events in the show on paper, you could actually get to that point. But it's the way that they were portrayed to us were very heroic, even in the soundtrack and such. So we're meant to cheer for it. Yes. And I understand about like making people question what they were cheering for before. I think that's actually a pretty valid thing to explore, but they didn't do a very good job of it. Whereas Patty had an end point and they trusted him to get there. And he did such a great job. I mean, even the second or is it the second or third episode with the hunt when he's drunk? Oh, that episode was great. And he kind of tells the Lannister to shut the fuck up. Oh, my God. It's so good. I love to when when Strong comes up to him and he's like, what are you going to pitch me? Your son is the most ideal candidate. And he's like, I mean, no, let's give it. Let's give that man a shout out, by the way. Strong was a great actor. I'm sad to see him dying here and all. Yeah. Oh, man. I don't know. There's so many good choices in the show, honestly. Like the whole hunting scene was great, too, though, because you almost see like how incompetent and like pathetic Phaseris kind of is. Oh, they're like, stab him right here. Like, thanks for the spear. And they're holding it. I and then he has to do it. Well, I love how they juxtaposed in that in that episode, how there's this controlled. We've caught him, stab here, clean, barely get blood on you. Next to Kristin and Rayneera, who are like. They're killing, getting blood everywhere. And so everyone was on like all the dudes who are here for the hunt are sitting down in their tents, having a nice time of it. And then in comes Rayneera, who's not supposed to have participated in the hunt, covered in blood because she actually like did some fucking hunting. Yeah. And I loved her walk back through camp. It was so strong. I mean, obviously, that's also when you get strong. Just in the background, like the first you see him, he's just like, he's like, God damn, I like it. My wife was like, who's that? And I was like, you'll see. It's like every time I see a scene like that, it's hunchback. I'm Notre Dame when Phoebus is like, what a woman about. Someone said young Amon is very underrated and I would like to say that. So the episode where Amon gets his eye put out, I watched the behind the scenes. I didn't watch all the behind the scenes, but I watched every single one. I loved it. They interviewed that kid actor. He act and I know it sounds dumb now. He acts nothing like Amon. I was like, like, Leanna, you talk about transformative, right? That kid did a hell of a job. In general, I think I'm always the most impressed with child actors, if they actually act, because I don't expect them to. I'm just like, you're a kid who's just being a kid in the show. That's all I expect. If you actually rise above that and are acting, I'm like, well done, youngster, like Damon's poor daughters that get nothing to do but stand there. They cut the hug. Why did they cut the hug? Yeah, the hug cut was interesting because I was a defender of the cut because I said clearly like the showrunners have something that like they're saving that sympathetic moment for another time. And the moment was when he's with his brother and he's sitting on the throne, right? I think like him helping his brother on the throne is like that's the moment they want to. The crowning was not planned. Yeah, which is crazy, crazy. Because it's the most iconic for me, the most iconic moment of the show. At least certainly one of, yeah. Now, my problem, I'm going to I'm going to go back to my defense of defending them, cutting the hugging scene. The thing that pissed me off about it is I knew that it was on Twitter. I thought it was just a leak from somebody else. HBO released it. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, you don't get to release that. You cut it. It's cut. I don't like that. You know what I mean? Stand by your decision, make him seem heartless. And I wonder if they did that to gauge reaction to plan for season two to be like, so our people want to see more of him being cold or want to see more of him being touchy-feely. That's actually not a bad. I mean, you probably right. They're always running some sort of. There's no way they didn't just release it just for like shits and giggles. Yeah, for me, like I got a little annoyed by that because like, I'm not, you know, I'm a big fan of like kind of sitting by. Oh, yeah, I saw this. Apparently young Aiman broke his hip by filming. Not sure if it was filming related, but still respect. Yeah, there was some there was something about this. It's going to be the new. Did you know Aragorn broke his toe story? It is. It's the Westerosi version of that. Does Alex have a Christmas tree box behind his chair? Probably. Can we just talk about this? Like, what are we doing here, Alex? I mean, I feel like Alex has shared before that like Christmas starts in like October 31st at midnight in their household. Well, it's November 9th and the shit's still in the box. Maybe they have more than one tree. This is just the office tree. Do you think it's actually just a pink dread doll? You think it's the pink dread, which is a great scene? I I'm still laughing about the pink dread like it hasn't not been funny to me yet. That was terrific. And also the dragon pit scene paid off later, didn't it? Well, they're like, you shouldn't play with these. These are these are weapons, not toys. Which like, OK, wait, we should wait till Alex comes back. But like, start thinking about the it's not a change because it's not contradicting anything. Correct. But the adding in of aim and losing control of his dragon life. Yeah, yeah, we'll wait for Alex to get back because it's such a big point. But I'm glad that you have distinguished the fact that it's not a change because I was going brain rot dead hearing people like that's a change. It's like it's literally not. It's OK. So like, well, gone like in general, like I kept saying how like this is an obstacle and an opportunity for the show runners taking on fire and blood to be like, this is fire and blood is an outline. And so like, it's up to you now. You have the creative freedom and the burden of filling in what people actually said in those rooms when this thing that we know happened happened. That's right. Yeah. So like all the times when they were doing that, when they were like, well, it doesn't say this didn't happen and or like, well, we have to say something happened. So then they add in and suddenly knowing that it doesn't contradict me. There's tons of stuff like that where like all the stuff that like happens behind closed doors where the history would never say that happened. All the conversations between these people that add so much depth and and perspective on why they chose to do what they did later, which is his recorded by history, like is brilliant and well done. Yeah. And also like, let's say if they did just follow fire and blood, like the only account that where we hear exactly what happens is mushrooms account where he says, you know, that, I mean, it's something it's absolutely absurd and it ends with Amon like presenting, you know, Luke's head to the daughter at storm center or whatever. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Like, OK, are you going to believe mushroom? Like, do you believe mushrooms accounts? Like clearly, I do love me some mushroom. What would you do? He was in the background on one of the episodes, by the way. Oh, yeah. He was dancing in the background and the Ryan Condell said, mushrooms in season one, he's got to look for him. And I don't know which episode it is, but he's in the background like dancing and it's just a little dwarf dude. It's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, he's doing. So, Alex, we saved this for you. We're going to talk about the the inclusion of nuance of Avan's losing control of his dragon. No, it was stupid. It would never happen that way. We she would say that we wanted to dissenting opinion. No, I actually there's a T in my pocket. I actually really liked that choice, the way that they did that, because one, it goes directly back to what Viserys was telling the audience and Ranae or he was saying how dumb we are to think that we can control dragons in the first place. Yep. So it goes immediately back to that and you could already see in that scene, freaking strong is panicking. So his little baby dragon is probably feeding off of that energy. First of all, they're flying through a terrible storm. You got this little baby dragon freaking out because freaking behemoth grandma dragons like your boy, like trying to eat him and just clearly Amon's messing with him. But at a certain point, what's what's the what's Strong's dragon's name, the little one? Well, I believe you mean Targaryen, whatever. He's a he's a very strong boy. It's a brax. It's a brax. Hey, Rax, a Rax is like, leave me alone. It spits fire out of me. He's just like, all right, now I'm literally just going to eat you. So like, I loved it. I love that Amon wasn't just killing him and that he kind of lost control, even though he was already kind of going a little bit too far because like, what if you accidentally clipped a wing and he dies? Wish, like, in some sense is like it's mirroring the scene where he lost an eye because I don't think anyone went into that planning to die him. No, of course. Once you pull the knife. Things are going to pull the dragon. Yeah. So they are was like, you just burn my face like I'm eating you now. So I love the aim and like, of course, they added, you know, the dialogue of him saying like, no, no, like so clearly he's not going also like you're acting. There's no there's no dialogue, just like Amon actors face after that happens when he's just like, oh, she's like. Yeah. And in the books, you know, he goes back and Allison and Otto are like, what the fuck have you done? You know, so I think I started a war. Yeah, it's going to be great. I hope it opens with that in season two. Him landing, him landing. And they're just like, so how'd it go? He's going to be like, OK, mom, I got to tell you something you can't get mad, though. You can't get mad. I have to tell you something, though. I ran into my cousin, Luke's Birkenstock. She's hanging out of Vegas gullet like, oh, my God, I saw Luke. He's good. He's nice. He's healthy. It's like, so good news is the Baratheons on our on our side. Bad news is we're going to need a side because I started a civil war. OK. I like the fact that it keeps consistent with the lore in the books. And I saw people talking and talking a lot of smack about dragon bonding, but there's actually a line in Fire and Blood that says that dragon. Like anyone who claims to know how dragon bonding works in the modern day is a fool. And it's like, it says it in the book because the Targaryens have forgotten all this Valyrian knowledge. So they they are trying everything. They they do the the calls. They do the eggs and the cradle. But they just don't know. And they forgot all this Valyrian stuff, which is kind of cool because we see Daemon like going through scrolls and Viserys obviously has some sort of obsession with Valyria. Like there's something about that old time that they have a connection to. But they forgot a lot. So bonding doesn't work the way they think it does. And they've lost that knowledge. And I think losing knowledge through the history of the Targaryens is going to be a thing that repeats itself in the show. Luke ran into Vhagar's teeth or something. Yeah, how sunny. Vhagar came up like jaws, bro. That scene, by the way, when he lands, when Luke lands and with Vhagar. It was like a scene out of Godzilla. I love it when you just do Vhagar's face. I feel like ending ending this season with like, OK, this is the cause. So Civil War is OK, we're doing it. But also we have seen Dragon on city, Dragon on army, Dragon on individual. We have not seen Dragon on Dragon until the final episode, which is like, here's what's to come. Civil War, Dragon on Dragon. That's what we're doing. But it's all for spectacle, guys. We got dragons. It's the dance of the dragons. Like there's going to be lots of spectacles. And again, it wasn't just for spectacle. Every scene with the dragon, even though dragons are cool and you could just have a scene that's just showing me a dragon for no goddamn reason. I'd be like, that's very cool. Like every dragon scene had a reason narratively and for the characters, which is why it felt even more cool. Because you were like, I feel more than just, oh, that looks awesome. I feel, oh, that means so much right now for these reasons. Oh, man. Amen. And honestly, claiming vagar and writing. I was like apprehensive when it started happening. I was like, is this going to be like a weird Disney scene? Like where like the kids riding the dragon in its wild. They're like a shitty Aragon movie. Yeah. That's what I was worried about. And it wasn't. It really worked for me. I really, really liked it. And there was a lot of building in that. The dragons throughout the show, like they really felt like creatures with weight and size and like they didn't feel like, oh, fun. There's a dragon that will fly. I feel complicated and difficult and like heavy and cumbersome. And like, they felt real. And every time they lifted off was just like, you could feel the things would blow away. Yeah. And the way that they climb on board, it's not just like, oh, fun. Jump on board a dragon. It's like, there's like ropes there because you can't just hop. They're like huge and like the reins are like this. It looks like a huge undertaking. And you're not like, oh, real cash. Just have a dragon. Episode one. Damon pets the dragon snout and it breathes on him and it blows his hair back. And I was like, everything's going to be OK. They're taking care of it. Thank God. Can you, by the way, can we just talk about the pilot for just a second and how good the pilot was? Not just because it was good, but think about how much bias was going in against this pilot. There were people, I would even venture to say, maybe thousands of people watching this show with the intent of being failed. Yeah. Yes. We're saying, fuck this show. It's going to be dog shit. I'm going to go give it a one eye and BB and that pilot won over what? 12 million people on the debut night. I mean, it's insane to think about and the audience grew almost every single week. I was sitting in the basement with my wife because we I mean, Game of Thrones was like a phenomenon, right? Everybody tuned in Sunday night like you would skip football for it. When it was on, it was always an event and I would watch every single episode with Kylie on the couch like as soon as it came on. So getting to sit down and do that again with like some hope and optimism. And as soon as the theme kicked back in, I was literally just like. Did me too. And I do wish, though, that the opening credits were more like recognizably a family tree. I was just the same shit from Game of Thrones. Like they could have just I would be fine with it. I didn't even care about the intro. I was like, I don't know what's happening. There's blood everywhere. But I'm jammed. You just need the theme music. That's all I needed. Yeah. In some ways, which if we're going to talk about music, the new music that was written for the show was also very good. Raymond, don't miss. No, he don't. He's my favorite screen composer. So like I always think that. But I was like, OK, but you wrote some real hits for Game of Thrones that are like recognizable. Can you do that again for a different show that feels different and still in keeping? And he did. It was so good. Bro, whenever Viserys is walking to the throne, King Viserys, you know, first of his. And I'm like, oh, my God. And then the music starts kicking in. I'm getting chills thinking about it. It was like the theme music that is like for Rhaenyra, that every significant moment in Rhaenyra's life plays. And it's just like feminine vocal with this like deeper base, which is so like that's Rhaenyra. She's like this girl that was also this like warrior, you know, wants to be King person. And like, that's a perfect piece of music. And the way that they play it in these significant moments so that by the time they play it when she gets the crown, it feels like it's like a Pavlovian response. You're like, this music means epic shit. So good. And then they open the show with her like flying in on the dragon. And it looks good. They're playing that song and the wedding music. The way the wedding music was like faster and harder and faster and harder and the way you felt these people like dancing and like all the like political. That's why the wedding scene. I love it so much because of like the political machinations and everyone's in the same room and the way that the Viserys is like obliviously trying to eat his dinner and struggling. That's like it's so good. And then we kind of ruined it with like the random murder that is not addressed. It was like, no, that is not cool. I would almost say, though, that the good part of that wedding is more memorable. Like whenever they're dancing, I mean, it is it is really happy. And Otto's clapping and Allison's smiling. Oh, with the dinner. Yeah. Oh, so here's a question. This is a theory that I've seen online. And I really like this. No, Amon is not the Night King. That's the most. Yes, he is. He has a blue eyes. That's ridiculous shit I've ever. And he's got a he's got a chin for the reason that Amon is not the Night King is because Viserys is the Night King. Oh, all right, true. Let me tell you, I hope Amon's a Night King and I hope that they do it just to piss everybody off. I think it'd be so fucking because it doesn't really matter. So it literally just doesn't matter. So like for me personally, I would think it would be funny. But when they're at the dinner and everyone's getting along and we see like auto joking and stuff, I have heard that it was told like the idea is that it's from Viserys's perspective and he's hallucinating because as soon as he walks out, everyone's faces drop. Yeah. And it's like if that is what they intended and I don't know if it is, that is some next level. That would be I mean, I suspect that like I like that reading of it, but I'm pretty sure that we're the show winners intended to be that people are putting on this face. Oh, yeah, I think even in Fire and Blood, they're supposed to get along for that dinner until Amon, you know, says to my strong. Oh my God, it was so good. He was just so good. Strong boys. Like, yeah. They were taunting him, though, with the pig. You know, that was even a throwback. Like, I don't think that was a throwback. Yeah. Because he didn't get a dragon. He can have a nice flying pig. The fucking pig. I actually forget the pink thread was like it was mainly a gone. That was the instigator for the pig thing. Not the not the. You know, that's boys. I think you're being sold. They brought it back to make it legit. They were too young. Agon was the ringleader. Oh, man. Agon was an ass. Still is an ass. I will talk about all the times that what's her face, Helena was prophesying, like, pretty. I love that little weirdo. I love that she's a dreamer. I think it's such a good addition. And like for the things that are coming for her, they ought to give her some screen time. They ought to they ought to let us love her a little bit. She's like the one good person out of all of this. Mostly because she's oblivious. She's like she is the Luna love good. Of exactly. Do you all think that Agon and her kids are actually aiming and her kids? Probably. I'm not sure. I don't know how I feel about it. I think it's feasible. I think they've done enough hinting that it could be. But Helena doesn't seem like someone that would have an affair. I was going to say, like, I feel about the same way that I feel about Allison and Kristen Cole, where I'm like, I'm not denying that there's interest and preference there. But I don't think that they've done the nasty. The kind of person, though, that was just like, this is what we have to do for our family. She'd be like, OK. And I also feel like Amon, because he clearly loves and respects his sister, would feel that that would be disrespecting her to do that. But didn't young Amon also say something, though? Like, I'll do my family duty or whatever. It was just like, I'm down. Yeah, but like, Aegon can clearly get it up. Like, that's not an issue. Oh, that's what Fleabody told me. I'm sure he can, like, land a few on her to make some babies. You know, what about when they went down to Fleabody looking for Aegon and then Amon sees the leader of the whorehouse and she's like, oh, you've grown up? And I was like, that's interesting. Like, are they going to come back to that, you think? Because that was like a very specific moment. I don't know. I mean, when he was talking about how Aegon had brought him to just the way that Damon had brought Rainier. And they definitely added some context to Amon and Aegon's relationship of like, Aegon being like, you take the crown. And Amon's kind of like, do I want the crown? It's like, until Kristen Cole showed up, they were like, this is the plan. OK, you go and I be king. How did you guys feel about the chase through the city? Because I didn't mind it in the moment. I think the chase is kind of dumb, but I like that scene between the two of them where he's like, let me go. Let me go. I don't want to be king. And Amon's like, OK. Yeah, it put a lot of people in the right spots for the episode, like Eric and Eric. And I love that they didn't change the names. I love that. I think it's hilarious. So they changed Asha to Yara. Yara. Because people won't get it. But like, two twins that are in the same scenes all the time. The Ryan Condell was like, we're not compromising. Shit. They also might just read. They literally changed actors. Like, who is going to be the lead Eric? Because the one one of them got covid. Yeah. And they just they just switched it. They said, yeah, whatever. So funny. Miguel wanted to change a bunch of the Targaryen names. He wanted to make them more distinct and more normal. And I guess Ryan Condell was like, absolutely fucking not. Like, we're not doing it. We're sticking to the bad the entire book audience would be. Oh, here's Jerry Targaryen. Because honestly, if you change the names, the story would still be very confusing for anyone that's close attention. It really wouldn't help that much. Like it's more confusing in the book because you don't have faces here. Like, I don't really get that confused between Rhaenys, Rhaenira and Rhaena because like I have faces. It's also like part of the point is like they keep naming each other the same damn names all the time. If only we didn't have a bunch of Aegon's. We wouldn't. Yeah, there's a lot of like multiple Viserys's. Well, so the chase scene puts a lot of people in the right spot. Eric and Eric, you know, we get that kind of set up. We see this Aegon Aemon really shit, which I think is going to be maybe interesting down the line. But also it sets up Aegon having a conversation with Allison in the carriage, which I do think is very, very important. But going back to Aegon Agon and Aemon to being not dissimilar from Viserys and Damian. That is true. And it is 100 percent on purpose. That parallel is definitely on purpose. Yep. But even we're the same hoodie. They sure do. They got it from the same same thrift shop down at the bottom. Fucking ridiculous. Boris Aemon sets up what? So, yeah, so the in the earlier early in this episode, they talked about a lot of people talked about how they did not like. And I was on this train until I saw the next episode. But whenever Allison finds out, you know, a Aegon Aegon is to be king. And she's like, my Aegon. When it clearly he thought he thought was talking to Raniera still. Right. And I was like, I don't know if I like the dance being started off of that. But now if you think about it with all the full context, this dance was going to happen either way. And the reason why we know that is in the beginning of the next episode, Allison walks in and before she really says anything about like what he said, Otto is like, we've already like they've already been planning. They're like, we're going to go ahead. Everybody goes, well, also, well in. In a state like I heard that same like complaint that like, oh, I don't like that the prophecy gives like Allison like plausible deniability that like, oh, she didn't want to go to war. But it's just because of this. And I'm like, I mean, not really. Because like to read that from what Viserys just said, you have to want to believe that that's what he is saying. Because Raniera has a son named Aegon news flash. So like there's like everyone's named Aegon. So like if she was like legit, he just said, I want Aegon to succeed me. You're like, I would even if you think that's what he's saying, you can't even be sure which the fucking Aegon he's talking about. So like she had to want this to be what he is saying to be like, no, this gives me the right. He really did want this. I believe this. He said this is dying wish. And you're just like, you want that to be true. And you always wanted that to be true. So you're making it true. Well, she's self-fulfilling her prophecy in a really important distinction. And this is something that is not said in the books is that Allison, the show is very pious and she continues to become more and more pious as the show goes on, very self-righteous. And we even hear Damon say, you've been removing all this Targaryen symbolism and putting up the things of the seven. And as we know, some people who, you know, become extremely religious start to see signs everywhere and start to believe in divine intervention and believing in their own prophecy and that they're important, that they might be the one. And I think that that subcontext with the fact that obviously she probably wants Aegon to sit their own because her dad has now gaslit her into thinking that there's no way her kids could live. I mean, I want when when Westeros is smoldering, I want the force ghost of Viserys to confront Reynira and say, you were the chosen one. You were supposed to bring balance. And it just cuts the Viserys burning in the seven hells. And he's going, no. God damn it. Like, Reynira is entitled to all the shit she's going to do. OK. He was talking about whatever Aegon is closer to the listener. Exactly. She was your own Aegon. And I did like the fact that he said, you know, you asked me if it was true. And that's what Reynira had asked him early in the episode. You know, little things like that. You know, it's a tie into the prophecy. If you thought they weren't going to tie it into the number one grossing show of all time, you're just how do you feel about it? Do you care? I don't care. I don't bother you. I think originally, like when they first introduced it, when it was just like hand off of the dagger, I was like, you're just you're just putting this here to tie into the game of thrones. But then later, like halfway through when he was sharing pieces of it with Reynira and then pieces of stuff with Allison and never the same thing. I was like, OK, this is actually like furthering the story. And then here when it like was like, you know, Chekhov's prophecy where they like actually make it be important to this story. Like if Game of Thrones didn't exist, this prophecy is important to this story. Even if Game of Thrones is a thing you don't know about, then that's what makes the difference. It's also thematically valid in the Song of Ice and Fire canon because George plays with the weight of prophecy and the misinterpretation of prophecy. Remember, we did our read through. We talked about I think it was wasn't it one of Danny's dreams or somebody had a dream and it was talking about a giant crushing Winterfell and we were like, what is this? And then we realized it was the Sansa chapter where sweet little Robin smashes her castle. She made it was one of Danny's visions at the House of the Undying. That's right. So like it's very interesting how this is being played within the show still. But also like the I saw people being like, I loved episode one, but I hated they tied into the Game of Thrones. It's like, guys, it's the whether you like it or not. It's a number one show of all time. Yeah, numbers wise. Also, no matter even. OK, I don't hate to break this to you, but like Fire and Blood is a prequel to Game of Thrones. Like like these are the ancestors of those people. Like it's tied into it. No matter what you do, it's stupid. It is important to distinct that the fact that some people are, you know, George basically confirmed that Aegon had prophetic dreams when he came to West Coast, and it was part of the reason why he came. Not the full reason, but part of the reason. Now, the show only portion is the passing down. George has never said they was passing down. Ryan Condell and Miguel said this is our thing. They ran with it. George said that sounds fun. Go for it. So that's not the book canon piece, which George talked about about 2015 is the fact that Aegon, you know, had dreams, which we know that Targaryen's son, right? Of course, that's the only Aegon that that's the only Aegon. That's the one Aegon, the conqueror played by Henry Cavill, please stop. No, Henry Cavill is the conqueror. Are you kidding? It would be dope. Listen, I know it's a meme, but he would be sick as the guy. I don't think he's the good actor. I'm sorry. I already said we don't have big beef cakes in Westeros. OK, he can't be Aegon. Did him stack up? He could play a wildling. I'm fine with that. Just have him as an extra and he just gets murdered. Yes, Ed Sheeran is his Aegon, my God. Harry Styles is Aegon, the conqueror. Oh, no. Wait, Benny Barnes or whatever his name was. There you go. Penny Barnes, Benny Barnes, many boy. I don't. This isn't obviously like plot significant, and but I didn't notice it because I never noticed like optical anything, like optical illusions or like stuff like I literally never noticed it. So I saw it pointed out online. You've probably seen it that like on the poster that's like on the thumbnail for this live. Yeah, that the eye is the dagger. Is the dagger? I still touch it. Did you notice that, though, before it was pointed out? I did. People post it by this way. But as soon as I saw it, the first thing I saw, I like zoom in. I'm a nerd. I zoom in on everything. I'm like, oh, look at these costumes and shit. And I saw it and I was like, oh, shit. That's a tag. It's dope. Well, there's a nerd. There's another really subtle song of ice and fire nod in House of the Dragon that Ryan Condale definitely put in there on purpose. So I came the Lemon Gate. Lemon Gate is referred to in House of the Dragon. So I don't. Did we talk about this in our readalong with Lemon Gate? How Danny remembers seeing a lemon tree and bravos with the house at the red door. But lemon trees are not native to bravos. And Georgia interview basically confirmed that we're supposed to pick up on that. He was like, oh, yeah, you guys should probably remember that. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, where do lemon trees grow? They grow in dorm. And there's a scene where Laris is talking to Allison for the first time where he gets introduced and he's talking about some tree or plant that grows there and how it doesn't belong. And we think it's talking about Allison, which it does in King's Landing because she doesn't play the Game of Thrones behind her. I think it's on a tapestry. There is a lemon tree on the tapestry. Of the deep cut. It's pretty dope. There's no way there's a literally no way it was it because it was almost like word for word, kind of like a metaphor for Lemon Gate. And I'm like, Ryan Condell, such a nerd. But you also, you know why that scene is a good scene and not stupid is because that scene doesn't only work if you know the lemon thing. That's where the power has so many scenes where you're like, if you didn't know Lord of the Rings, you'd be like, what was that? What are we doing? Yeah, I think that that's the problem with a lot of fantasy shows that try to stay consistent with it. It's like, how much of it are you supposed to know where you don't need to know anything really? Like, you could just go into this. And that's the same thing with Game of Thrones. I've said so many times. And that's why, like, again, the prophecy thing, like it redeemed itself to me when it became clear that if you had never heard of Game of Thrones, you could just be watching this. And the prophecy is significant to this story. And so there's so much about House of the Dragon that is what's impressive about it is that it does not rely on you having seen or caring about Game of Thrones. If Game of Thrones did not exist at all, you could just watch this story from the beginning and follow it and care about the story that it's telling about the characters that it's showing you. Like, it doesn't rely on outside information. It has outside information. And if you're looking for it, you can be Jimmy who's like, oh, it's a lemon tree behind her. Oh, it's not right. It doesn't rely on that. The lemon tree is a secret Targaryen. The lemon tree is a light bringer. This is Zorah. I will say there's only... We also talk about how everyone in Game of Thrones is a secret Targaryen, but in House of the Dragon, every Targaryen is a secret Nightwalker or a White Walker. Well, there is a theory. Now, listen to this. This is some bullshit. That every White Walker is a Targaryen. That Laris is the one who burns Summer Hall. And you might say, well, that happens like centuries later. Well, yes, it does, but they are convinced that... Because he likes fire? Yes, this is literally it. This is their theory. So he has a bunch of conversations in front of the werewood tree that is in King's Landing, which isn't in the books, by the way, the werewoods are gone. I don't want to say that. That's not even a thing. So people are convinced that he's somehow going to get sucked into the werewood network and that he shows up at Summer Hall and breaks it down. It's like the most ridiculous House of the Dragon like that's even more ridiculous than the Night King shit. I just figured it out. He's Bran. So real question. I mean, no, that's not more ridiculous than the people theorizing that Allison's kids are actually Damon's kids. But that Amon does. Oh, yeah, I mean, that's more ridiculous. Yeah, that's just, I mean, that's just a casting choice. You and Mitchell just kind of looks like Madsman. You think that Allison's, Goodie Allison would sleep with David. There's also no justification in the least for that night. What were you about to say, though? So here is a question. That werewood that's placed in a lot of significant Allison Raniera scenes. There's a no way that's on accident, right? Probably not. So my question is. Do you think they tie in Bran at the end of this or some sort of like zoom out at the end? To what purpose? What is it him witnessing that signify? This would be very inconsistent with what we've seen with the time so far where you say it kind of stands alone. But I don't know what's going to happen. How would it, how, what would Bran care about the stuff? Well, what if it's Bran showing us the story and he is the narrator all along? Oh no. Well, I'm going to tell you what. There ain't no way that they get that way. The wherewood is not in every scene, let me tell you. It's not in every scene. You're right. But it is in a lot of the big telling scenes between Raniera and Allison in the show from their getting along to where Raniera lies to Allison. I don't know what they're going to do with it. I don't know what I'm going to tell myself too. Yes. Something is going to happen with the wherewoods. There's going to be some fuckery for sure. There has to be. But it seems like too big of a, one, it's a divergence from the book. There's no wherewoods. I mean, I've seen just a lot of takes that are just like the fact that things are being sworn to in front of it when it's a sacred place. Yeah. Well, that's actually also pretty, that's a pretty good point, right? That's a little levy to that situation. Yeah. The fact that Raniera is not just saying, oh, I didn't sleep with Damon. She's saying, I swear, my mother's grave in front of this wherewood tree that I didn't that I'm. Yeah. I mean, maybe it is that. Maybe it's just a significant. Maybe it's just a set piece for people to recognize. Yeah. And maybe we're just some cool looking trees. Maybe we're supposed to say this, though, like, oh, it was brand watching the whole time. Maybe that's what we're supposed to do. And that's it. That's enough. I'd say the easiest explanation. Well, I mean, showrunners, good showrunners are not dissimilar from good writers. They are gardeners and they're like, let's stick some stuff in the background of these scenes. And then later we can be like, we've landed all along. When really we just like put it there in case we wanted to do something with it. Now we know what brand was doing during the long night. He was watching House of the Dragon. Shit. What if it does somehow tie in to like him knowing that Arya needed to use the dagger and that. That's how we knew that. Bro, bro. Honestly, if they did it, I'd respect the shit out of it. I would. I would. I would be fine with it. It would become a gigantic meme. I would hire a show. I think I would love it. Oh, it's crushed. So here's here's something that I kind of liked. And I don't know if other people did at the beginning of the show. It's the only thing in the show. And in Liana, you were talking about how like we didn't need context from Game of Thrones. There's only one piece that we need a context for. And that is at the very beginning. It says it is however ready hundred hundred fifty years, I think, or something before. Seven hundred seventy something before Daenerys. Target and all the tax. And it was just like Daenerys. Target and then it shows. I know that. Raniera flying in. And I kind of loved it. Well, I feel like I mean, again, like if you've never seen Game of Thrones, you'd be like, OK, there was some chick called Danny. And this is a hundred seventy years before that, whatever. But also, like it for anyone that has seen Game of Thrones, but doesn't exactly know what fire and blood is. This is like good, like, you know, orientation. Yeah, I kind of liked it because if you forget about season eight a little bit and you just think about, like, on paper, what happened, it is kind of like a very sad history. And like, we're about to go into a very sad history and it almost tracks with it. So in some ways, I actually really, really like that callback. Also, every time a dragon flies into King's Landing, it's not that it burns. We could just fly in their real cash. Just do you think any casual viewers are like, oh, no. Going to burn in the bells are ringing. Hey, here's a question. This is not a real question. OK. Do you think Drogon didn't listen to Danny? The Danny was like, no, Drogon, no. And he's just burning King's Landing. That's true, right? That Amelia Clark in that scene right before that happens when she's like. That like she didn't know what she was reacting to that they didn't tell her. We didn't see her while she was actually just left out the audio track of her saying, stop burning, everyone. They're innocent people. Please stop. We already won. Stop it. And they cut the scene from directly after where she did the aim in the face of like, oh, I think me and Matt are going to make that on the bend the knee. You tube just to piss people off because the comments will be so mean. Of course, that's not what they did. And then her dying wish was for him to symbolically burn the iron throne and then fly away. Oh, do you want to talk about how they they did the iron throne? More book, I still wish they had gone more book accurate. Yeah, because that throne is dope. But yes, I did appreciate the fact that they had a lot of melted swords. And it did look like when they said in Game of Thrones that like it's dangerous to sit there like it didn't look comfy, but it looked fine. This I was like, yeah, how are more people not cut up? They're cutting himself. I loved it. And then of them festering and instead of him cutting off the hand and just being done with it, which is a very good symbolism to him not just picking an air for a while and like him never addressing. So I heard he always ignores the issues. Look at his entire body like later in the later in the season when like they like take his robe off and his back is just like covered in boilers like he's like a zombie. I obviously haven't spoken to the man. But what I saw online was that Patty Constantine, when his mind, the reason for all of this is that when he he feels that he killed Emma and that he doesn't deserve to live after that. And so then he's choosing to kind of let himself die every ever since then. And they let him choose his last words. Yeah, in the show, they let they didn't script it. So that was improv as well. And I loved it like even the little improv of like, because I know it was all over Twitter when when he's walking, like basically crawling up to the throne and sits down and they like put the crown on and it like fell or whatever and he catches it and puts it on the side. Like that just happened. That it looked perfect. That walk is a top five Westeros TV moment. Yeah, like. And it feels especially significant when like in the next is the next episode or whatever, but Damon crowns. Oh, we scare. So the next one is the Green Council. But one after that next time we see Damon, he's crowning Rayneira, that like the fact that he did. Yeah, and her crowning was I mean, every time someone got a crown in this show, was sick. Yeah, which also like I I kept talking about in all my like reviews was just how often they use camera angles to like establish dominance in scenes and how rarely they like this series. Yeah. And how the series was always framed, pretty not dominant, that it was always kind of like on level that like you'd be around people. The camera is like at a level or down and at Damon, it was always up. I was about to say that on the bridge when I was in and they walk down and the cameras definitely just like looking up at him. But in that scene where Viserys is finally like when he like crawls to the to the throne, the camera is angled way the fuck up so that he's like dominating that room finally. But we do have like Damon standing over him and crowning him. And when Rayneira gets crowned, they don't have a wide shot where you can see Damon standing over her because he's taller than her crowning her. They just show her head and they just show his hands. And the next time you see Damon, he's already kneeling. There's never a scene where he's like standing over her and he's like, you know, above her. Yeah, it's very intentional, man, because like it's like this show is made with care and attention to detail. That's what I'm saying. And then we get to argue about like, should Rayne's actually killed them peasants? Like, that's how you know that the show is good. Like, as far as like production and the bones of it, where it brings the power. I watched the first episode and I was just like, I don't know. That shows dog shit. Anyway, did. But also this reminded me of the that scene when Viserious calls Alice and Emma, he's like, Emma, like I'm going to bed. Oh, my God, I love the scene. I felt for it. I know we talk about the first time that Simp Cole got away with murder. What about the second time? Did we talk like I went peed and got some water? Did you guys talk about that when he's just like, it's like, sir, calm down and sir, sir, quit resisting. It's just a serial killer and no one can just murder this old man on a table. And I was just like, it's fine. Beesbury, right? Is that as no where were we in the Beesbury and the treasonous overthrow? Yes. So. And Allison is like, we can't kill right here. That guy, it's fine. Fuck it, Kristen, you got it. But we can't kill right here. Blood pouring from his face. Yeah, I love to. What's the name? Graham McTavish. What's his name? Oh, dude. Oh, it takes off his cloak. But just have to see what he's like. Herod Westwell. Oh, y'all. Fuck you. We are not doing this. I am not part of it. Yeah, that was amazing. I am. I hope that he and I know what happens. But I hope that Beesbury just are not Beesbury. God damn it. This, though. Yes, I cannot believe Kristen was training. Lenore's kids. I was like, how is Lenore OK with this? Lenore was just having a good time with Carl. He didn't care about shit. Your boyfriend, like. Yeah, but he got a new boyfriend. But also that scene when Rainier is like, pack your boyfriend, we're leaving. I love it. Yeah, put your boyfriend in your purse. We're out. That was pretty rough. Poor Lenore. Poor Lenore. Oh, what do we think about? What do we think about Lenore being alive? Love it. I like it. Love it. You didn't like it, really? I mean, like, in that, in the moment, I was like, I'm sorry. Rainier is signing off on his murder when she just had a conversation with him, saying, you're a good man. That's so hard to find. And so I was relieved that he was alive. But at the same time, I was like, what was the conversation? We were like, OK, so I know that you're rich and privileged and have a dragon and have a family and your parents just lost your sister. But what we need you to do is just like, fuck off and fake your debt. No more dragon, no more wealth, no more being a prince. Your parents will think your debt will be devastated. But like, it's you should do that for us. Why should you do that for us? Because we want to get married. Well, I think it is implied that he does get paid pretty handsomely. But like, his dragon would know he's alive. Well, so we think. So you just assume you know of dragon. There's just like a lot where I'm just like, I would like to see what convinced Lenore to go with this. I think we see Lenore again. And I think that he will replace another character in the story and there will be some changes from the book, which will piss off a lot of people online. But I think we'll see. Regardless, I still don't understand what would convince me to do this. Well, Lenore is is saying how he doesn't really want to attend to the fact that he is a person of a noble house and he wants to go out and that's very different from giving up the life of privilege that he has led. Yeah, but that life of privilege comes with responsibilities that he has no intention of fulfilling. And also just seeing everything is happening. It's a lot. And also it is. It is. Here's the question. He just said that he loves those sons, even though they're not his by blood, that like he loves Rayneara. He wants to be there for her. He has a dragon. He has parents that love him. It's just like a lot for him to be like, OK, yeah, bye. So here's a question. Do you think he thought about his options and thought that was the best case? Because if he did not choose to leave, I feel like it's. Wait, Lenore's dragon would be out here burning shit like Danny's dragon. Do you feel as if he picked the best of his options considering the fact that it's possible that Damon would have just actually killed Lenore? That's the thing that I want to show to fill in for me is like, was he threatened to do this? Did he say, yeah, sounds good. It's just I was like, I have so many questions about this. Yeah, I this is a bit of me feeling in the gaps. I did feel like Damon, especially whenever he ended up paying that guy, is kind of insinuated that he has a also him. His parents believe he's the dead is the hardest for me. That's because Lena Lena just died. They just had her funeral. Well, Lenore also fake my death. Lenore is super selfish, for sure. I kind of feel like Damon may have used some of the money that he got from his inheritance from the runes, from his wife dying to pay, because it's kind of alluded to the fact that he pays that guy for like a death that he needs to be seen. And I kind of like the fact that he talked about the inheritance in the show, but they kind of left it up like for interpretation of like which they could have done with the death also. Just like for interpretation. No, you're 100 percent right. I just like when he got in the boat and said the sea is always right. Oh, God, stop. Do you know why a stone sinks and a ship floats? Is that it? Is that is that the quote? Oh, I had to come on. I had to. I mean, I just think of all the times that like because like honestly, what I saw the sea is always right. I was like the thing you're trying and failing to be is what is dead can never die. And like ain't nothing as metal as the Iron Islands. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, no, you're not getting any more metal than that. They drown each other. So mad. Literally, they're like, the sea is fucking right. Oh, God, the drown god. Hey, why do we serve the drown god? Isn't there a mention of some like a grey joy? Like what's the grey joys doing? And they're like with the grey joys are always doing. Yeah, it was pretty early on, wasn't it? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Also, pretty much every major house gets at least like a reference. Yeah, well, like somewhere. What about Lannister showing up and being a dick at the high? Just the fact that the Lannisters were introduced at all and they were immediately just like, they're definitely Lannisters. Like just these I just love when he said that he's walking in just like all high and mighty conversation when he tells Rainier that he's a Lannister. And she's like, you have a lion on your thing kind of gave that away. I I really like Coralus whenever he finally comes, you know, Rainie's gives him that as the pep talk and he comes in. First, he's snake prequel. So here for that. Yeah, you know, I saw some people like we don't really need that. And I'm like, I would love to see you. You don't need any of this. We don't want it. We don't know. Yeah, I'll take I will try anything they put out after this because this shows that, you know, if there's a vision and the right people behind it, it could be like so like they had something to prove because he's an eight sex. So this had to be really good. But now they're going to get an ego and be like, make something shit. And they're like, oh, fuck, OK, we have to make something good again. And then I'll make something shit because I don't need to go. And George did say it was interesting. He was commenting on the fact that people are enjoying the show. And he was talking about the possible other shows. And he was like, well, you know, every show has different show runners. And we try to keep things consistent. Like he was almost like alluding to the fact that like he can't really control whether the shows are going to be good if they start making a bunch of wants because he can't work on all of them. Right. He also how much can they house on the dragon? If it's completely different cast and crew. And yeah, how much can they make a narrative cohesive? Yeah. And I don't think it needs to be. I'll tell you what, the thing that's a good thing about like House of the Dragon being so far from Game of Thrones that like you can do almost anything. And it has almost no bearing on what happens later because like these aren't elves that live a thousand years that like whatever they're doing, they're all well dead and gone by the time we get to Game of Thrones. The only character that could appear in House of the Dragon is Melisandre, the only character. And some people have speculated that Masaria is Melisandre. And I would not like that, to be honest. I'd be fine if Melisandre showed up like I actually would be OK with that somehow. But don't make her Masaria. It's the wrong accent. It just doesn't like why would Melisandre be caring about the little people? It is that it would be a very bad. Also, she would have lost her accent by now. Yeah, I just don't think that that would be great. But I would be would have had to have the necklace on, even though Dan and Dave forgot that that's how that works. She definitely doesn't have that on. So we kind of forgot. Yeah, kind of forgot about the necklace. You know, one of the stories that they're talking about telling is Nymeria. And if you read a World of Ice Fire, it's only like a page and a half. The wolf. I was going to make that show, but I was like, I'm doing that too much tonight. But it's like this whole voyage of her freeing the Andals and Valeria underneath the slave masters and coming to Westeros. Like, honestly, I think that show is like no context for it other than like, you know, what happened? I think it could be absolutely fucking sick. Like, I think it could be really good. Talking about the first man. Like, yeah, there's so much history that would be. I want Duncan. I just want Duncan egg. Give me Duncan egg. And then we can call it a day and you can just wrap her up ring. I do want to. That's all spectacle. So here's a question. Do you think it'd be better as a movie or a show? I think it'd be good as like a special limited series that's on HBO, but it's like three episodes or something like something that's not supposed to go on for a season like do with Chernobyl. Just have it like this is what you get. Limited series are the way I'm a big believer, especially after Watchmen. I really enjoyed that show. There's a lot of people can do that with like almost all of Fire and Blood because the dance is like some of the biggest like this is all the dance. But like a lot of it is more episodic periods of history of Targaryen history. So they could do a lot of just limited series for just an entire show about Magor the Cruel. I mean, you could show and get canceled. Yeah, Magor was he was cruel, I guess you could say. He's a hot take analysis, my boy. Like the faith are really interesting during the conquest and with Magor. Like there's a lot of really cool stuff that you could play with there. One of the things that I've talked about with my friend, Matt, is like talking about the Black Fire Rebellion. But I think you can't do that until you do Dunkin' Egg because Dunkin' Egg is like wouldn't make any sense tied into it. You know what I mean? So I think Dunkin' Egg needs to be made. I kind of hope and this is just like ideal situation. But there is still like official plan to do that, right? Dunkin' Egg has been ordered to be piloted, so they're writing it. But my concern is is I do not think that they should put on more than one Rostrosi show at a time. I think they should run House of the Dragon for four years. And then maybe the last season, start Dunkin' Egg. Have something developed and ready to go, basically. Yes, start the year after. And they could even at the very. So like as the last season is airing, maybe like air the next. Overlap it like a little bit. But don't do the interest alive. Don't do the star. That's right. Like, yeah, every Marvel show, every Star Wars show, just badgering you to death. OK, so I gave Book War and a heart attack today because like I've not caught up on Andor. And I thought that I saw a spoiler that wasn't such a spoiler that I was like, if this is true, I will not watch the show. That's the dimension I've ever seen. So I was like, you're caught up on Andor. Can you tell me if this is actually true or if this was like a joke on the Internet? And it was that. Have you guys watched Andor? I've not. Well, it's not. I mean, so it ended up not being true. But so like, you know, Andy Circus is in it. So like I got to the episode where he's in it. But I haven't seen past that. So there's like three episodes I need to catch up on. And I saw like a post on Instagram or something that was like that moment when you realize that Andor is just like a Snoke origin story. And I was like, are you fucking shitting me? I'm not watching Andor if it's a Snoke origin story. Because we're already. Bookborn was like, what? No, I don't think it is. And I told her what I'd see. And she was like, OK, so I have bad news for you. Snoke was voiced by Andy Circus. And that's why everyone is like, Andy Circus is in it. Therefore, it's a Snoke origin story. And I was like, oh, my God, does that mean that Snoke is also Gollum? I see the same universe. Confirmed, I think 100 percent. Breaking your first Gollum is Snoke. But I that's what I'm thinking of. Think of the Disney stuff, Marvel and Star Wars, where like a show getting five million viewers a week is considered like we might cancel it. Like we don't need that. And it's just over saturation. Yeah. And West Rose, for what it is, you know, it is why there's a ton of stuff that there's a lot of depth, but you could absolutely burn people out, especially the nature of the story, where Dunkin' Egg is a little bit different is that the tone is much lighter, even though there's still severe things that happen. I wonder if that will hurt the show. I was going to say, like, because like for all the reasons that we love Dunkin' Egg, that might be why it doesn't do well. But that's why Dunkin' Egg could be so different. Dunkin' Egg could be like between the heavy hitters, like over the summer. You just do some Dunkin' Egg over the summer. Is there running West Rose show to bridge the gap between House of the Dragon and the sea snake or whatever it's going to be. Yeah. And I mean, there's not to say there aren't kids in in House of the Dragon, right? Because I'm thinking of the egg and how prominent he is as a character. But I guess if they wanted them, you know, muddy the waters. And I mean, we say a Dunkin' Egg is like light and fun. It's like fun for West Rose. Yeah, fair. It's pretty violent. Yeah, like noble people die in the first book. I mean, it's pretty rough. But it's like it's a nice it's a short and sweet kind of like buddy adventure for the like not quite it's it's all relative. OK, I have been thinking about re-reading them again for some reason. Yeah, it's good. But I mean, so like what Alex said in the beginning of our chat today was that like House of the Dragon was like it's Sunday night with his unmissable television. We are like that's when it's on, we are watching it. We sit down to do that. And that doesn't happen if you've got like five shows running concurrently. That's right. Oh, I got to catch up on maybe I'll catch up on it as opposed to one thing and you have to watch that thing. Yeah. And I think I think HBO understands what they have here. So I'm hoping that that will lend itself to staggered releases or like, you know, maybe you could do the Seasnake show, maybe like season three, right? If there's four seasons of House of Season three, you put that on in the offseason. I think that could probably work and be fine. And I I agree with you, Liana. I actually think it'd be really dope. I think Steve Tucson is killing it as cordless. Just totally on that. So if it's a prequel, though, is it going to be a younger him? And so not that actor. I don't know what they're going to do. And they could play at the timeline if they wanted to. But I don't know. That's a good question. There's so many spinoffs that like we're going to happen to. Then got canceled. Like, I didn't know Blood Moon was a blood moon long night. Yeah. Well, that was all about the long night. But I didn't even know that that was like supposed to happen. Yeah. So I mean, John Snow. From from a super nerdy perspective, the blood moon show could have been really cool. But apparently the pilot was an absolute disaster. I just feel also because like the, I don't know, the safest territory is prequels because we have completed material for Dunkin' Egg, Fire and Blood, World of Ice and Fire. Like this is stuff that does not need someone to make it up. Yeah. Well, I don't like the idea of going ahead past Game of Thrones. Yeah, Dunkin' Egg, I mean, they're not finished, but they at least have a starting point with the first three. And you know, and they are self contained enough stories where you don't feel like it's unfinished if you don't go. Yeah, because we know in full context is book readers that it ends at Summer Hall, right? That's where Summer Hall burns. We don't know how, but that's where egg, you know, die. That's because Larry is strong. Teleports through the Wehrmut network. Yes, because he likes fire. Apparently he heard there was a foot fetish convention. And when he realizes that that is, in fact, not true, she just burns the entire place down here. Shoes were optional. He ends up burning it down. Rhaegar is born. Jenny Voldstones is written by Rhaegar. Oh, terrific. We go poetic. That's what George wanted. So George wanted to happen. It's the story of our time. So brutal. People, people say dumb stuff online. I kind of want to rewatch this show. How's it the dragon? You know, if I can rewatch it before I watch it. Yeah, I have to say, I watched the first episode. I think three times, definitely twice. And that episode is so fucking brutal. Like I watch a lot of violent shit. And I watch that episode. I'm like, I don't know if I can do it. It's tough, man. They do a really good job of making that shit uncomfortable. Just like I was eating during Panera's second first scene. And I was like, don't watch this while you eat. Nothing is as brutal as that fucking C section. Literally nothing in television is as brutal as that. And that's their opening episode. I was like, holy fuck. Yeah, I felt that in my chest. I was like, damn. And then I thought, Ranira, in the finale, you know, obviously, that's a pretty intentional parallel to Emma. And the fact that she loses, she loses her kids. And then she lost her mother in the first. Of course, you know, she chose her life over the babies. Because oh, my God, that was the dumbest comment I've ever read. Oh, my God. Well, it's almost like, you know, not giving Emma the choice in episode one was super barbaric and horrifying. Well, and then I do think. OK, people need to stop romanticizing Damon because Damon is an asshole. But like the fact that we did have a demon but like the series being like, yes, choose the baby, you know, do the thing. And then when we had Damon presented with the same choice, he was like, like hesitant about that. Like he wasn't like immediately like co-signing. Yes, kill the woman, give me the child. Like, yes, that Damon wasn't keen on that. Yeah. And then Lena teleports, unfortunately. Don't know how she just yeeted on out of there. Oh, that's a good scene. Like her being in front of Vega and yelling your cars and the dragon is like, I mean, like I loved her voice was and just how desperate it was and in the performance of it. I just thought it was excellent. And then her talking about Damon and that we're not meant to be here with dragon riders were supposed to let's go home. I know you want to see your brother like that. That actress did so much for the character of Damon and then so much for Lena as a character. It's just a shame that we didn't get one more episode of them together. Like if that could have been split in the two and maybe found out somehow to end out with like a bit of a what I mean, the same is the true of Harwin and Rainier. They didn't we didn't see. Well, that's the same episode. So I would have loved for that episode that relationship is equally undeveloped. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The relationship with the strong and that was not. So then I think it's very intentional that they were like, well, they're neither of them is end game. So we're just going to be like, yeah. And and that's that's what I try to tell people. I'm like, you know, I am coming in with the full context of this. But like all this is just precursor and apparently Miguel and Ryan wanted to start this show at episode 10. And George said, you can't you have to do the first five as a flashback. And they were like, oh, like we don't really. George is like, if you're going to do it, this is how you have to. And they listened to him, which is crazy, because let's be honest. If I told you there was going to be like five time jumps in season one, they're like, like no one likes time jumps. Nobody. But they they they embraced them. And I thought also, by the way, in episode six, which I know some people didn't enjoy them establishing like history on that walk with Ranira and Lenore. And like you're getting gaps filled in of 10 years of history as she walks to meet Allison. As a one shot scene is so good. It was so good. Also, Ranira is a badass for that. Like, I don't think that scene was like a tad ridiculous. It was a little melodramatic. It was like we're opening with like, OK, OK. Yeah. And then she does the walk and then the after her. So. I did it for some reason. I don't know why. I thought it was super endearing whenever Viserys was there and he was like, my daughter and he like under. I was like, oh. Also like, no, see, no issue with the grandkids. Looks OK. And Allison is like, looks good to me. And he tells her, like, so they don't look any like that. I had a horse once. OK. Give that man an Emmy. Right. Oh, my God. This is where I mean, I did have problems like with like how Allison was like depicted at the the the older Allison was depicted at first, where she was just like saying trees and a shit in front of people in front of Viserys in public. Like she said, you want to marry these kids together over my dead body just in front of everybody. I'm like, you can't do that. He's the fucking king. Like I mean, she also tried to stab Rina in her face, which everyone was just like, ah, let's go to bed. Let's go to bed. Like she is the heir to the throne and you just threatened her person. Like. But the the rolling voice in this is Viserys and he always backs off. Like he never finally addresses this shit. And then well, actually, it's not true. Eventually he does say, if I hear it again, like, you know, you're losing your head. But he keeps putting it off and putting it off. I do think they may have went a little far trying to prove that he was a weak king with Allison, specifically in episode six, because I think it's on the stairs in front of like just random. That's what I'm saying. Like if in private, she was like argumentative, I'd be like, sure. But she's in front of the entire court is like naysaying the king. I'd be like, no, yeah, he should have done a Bobby being smacked right across the face. Like I would but like in public like that. I don't think Allison would because she's too much of a goodie goodie to do that in public. But that's when you need a Bobby B to honor her with a nice little smack. Oh, no, you again. So good. But we haven't talked about auto very much. And auto is kind of like a scumbag. We need more from that from him, though. Like I hope that we get more dialogue because now the show is going to slow down. I mean, there's a lot of spectacle stuff coming, but it's going to slow down. Getting the dance, Jimmy. Yeah, it's going to dance, but like, you know what I mean? Like we don't know more time jumps in this shit and auto is a big player. So I want more dialogue because that actor, whatever his name was, he was a little Nicky, which is bizarre to me. Yeah, that dude definitely needs more screen time for me. He's definitely the little finger of this show. Yeah, he really is. And slime, slime ball, absolute slime ball, which is why I mean, this is why people are willing to overlook literally everything Damon does because he calls auto a cunt. And you're like, yes, I'm on his side. Yeah. And I love I don't need to hear anymore. The bridge scene and they go back to it in the last episode. I love that. I thought that was great. I'm trying to think of anything else with auto that I really enjoyed. I mean, him and the Masari stuff was OK. I think it has more to do with the stuff coming in the later seasons. I mean, all his conversations with Allison were great. You know, him forcing her to wear her dead mother's dress, the seducer, a 50 year old man that's dying of grayscale or whatever. It's pretty, pretty, pretty gross. Not great. I mean, in fairness, when Allison dispersed like with the series, like he's still a pretty virile, handsome man. Yeah, that's true. He starts declining rapidly after that. But like at first it's like he's old for her, but like fine. And he made a toy city. I mean, he made a little model city. I love all the memes that are like every time Allison says the crown can't afford this, where all the money went. Just like a city. But have you seen my model? Which I think when Damon and Rainier first go into his chamber after years and years and they just like look at this expansive model and now he's just like comatose in bed. And they're like, what the fuck has been going on here? Well, we've been gone. And Legos is Legos is connects. Did you guys know Reese from anything prior to this? From I didn't know he was a little Nicky. Oh, that's what. He played. He plays my cropped homes in elementary. OK, because as soon as I saw him, I was like, oh, shit. It's the kicker from the replacements. And I was like, oh, my God, little Nicky in the replacements. I didn't know until after and someone said it. And I was like, oh, my God, that dude deserves an Emmy for being able to play those right that big of a range of roles. Pimping your daughter to the king is the go to move for reach your lords. That's why they did the did Marjorie as well. Yeah, it's super stoked about Amon losing and I and getting a dragon. Yeah, whenever he shows his cards to Allison, finally, like straight up, I thought that that was a I forgot about which he only does after he's like, OK, so you do have the balls for this game. Let me level with you. Yeah. Yeah, I like that quite a bit. It's like she went from being his pawn to being his co-conspirator. Yeah, that he invited her a seat at the table. Yeah, Reese's Luna Lovegood's father. What? I don't know. That's crazy. And now he's Luna Lovegood's grandfather. In House of the Dragon. This is this is some wild shit. Yeah. I mean, I feel like also, again, not to just constantly shit on rings of power. What do you know? That's all you've been doing for months. It's like your thing. There is no shortage of that on the internet right now. But it's just so OK. No spoilers for rings of power for anyone gives a shit about rings of power. But like there is a character that is a master manipulator or at least should be and isn't an auto high tower is how you write a master manipulator. I'm just fucking saying by giving them scenes that show them doing the thing that they're supposed to be good at. Yeah, it's it's a wild concept. Yeah. I think there's also a lot of people who think that like the politically savvy or the snake or spider type character has to say a lot. But actually, they just have to say the right things. It doesn't need to be a ton of lines. And even they are more likely to keep silent and gather information and use it to their advantage. That's actually like, when you come out and say stuff, you're making yourself vulnerable. I would love to see how many scenes are with it just cutting to auto and him not saying anything like him just looking or just being like, Yes. Well, because Viserys will say stuff and he'll just be like, like this little nod. You're just like, oh, yeah, he's what's up. Did you feel like he did have legitimate love for Viserys? Because I did, actually. Yes, I felt a little bit that he was being genuine. But he more so cared about like what happens once he's gone. Yeah. When you say like love for Viserys, I don't think love. But I don't think he didn't care. I think he had a legitimate, like loving friendship and like brother kind of love for Viserys, but couldn't get out of his own ambitious like way. Yeah. I think more so that like he thinks Viserys is a decent guy, could even be a decent king. It's like he's like fine with Viserys. Like he likes the guy well enough. But it's like, but I need to use you for my ambitions. Yeah, I mean, that's definitely always there. But I think there was legitimate, if yeah, if not love, definitely like a deep care and concern for him. Leanna, I just for fun wanted to look at your rings of power videos and the top doing great five. Yeah, the top five videos on your channel for views are all rings of power. I told her that when she started doing it, I was like, holy shit. Oh, and you know, I did it on not on accident because I obviously had to put on like record a video. But like I didn't plan to cover that show at all. And then like episode three is when I started for the algorithm. No, it was like I literally I didn't even do episodes one and two. Episode three, I texted so many people all the dumb shit that happened in episode three, and I looked at all the texts that I sent and I was like, I could just like say these texts in a video and just was like, fuck it. Maybe no one will watch it, but it's an easy video. I can just say this and then apparently people liked it. So I kept doing it. That's why it ends up being funny too, though, because like I think it was Kyle. Kyle, it was either I was talking about rings of power or empire of the vampire. Kyle was like, you're way funnier when you don't like something that you're reading or watching. I was like, yeah, I was like, that's because my natural like sarcasm just comes out and I can just shit on something relentlessly. It's a shame we couldn't hate House of the Dragon. And I didn't have so many comments on like people that like found me through rings of power, and then I would post a House of the Dragon video like directly thereafter, because every week that was the cycle. And like they would see rings of power and then like it's just jokes. And then they would see my like 45 minute analysis of the dragon. And they'd be like, the tone shift is wild. So you're just like, deep analysis. Let's discuss in-depth like the show versus just like, this is dumb. Well, yeah, because it does get frustrating. It's a have to address inconsistencies, right? Like like like like a minor things. It could be very soul zapping and kind of take the spirit out of things, which I actually didn't like hate rings of power so much as I just felt apathetic towards it, which is not what I want to feel towards Middle Earth. So I just gave up, you know, my mom. She didn't watch any of the show. She watched my videos when I started taking off. You're like, good job. And so then she watched just the season finale of rings of power. Only that. And she was like, that was so boring. I don't understand how you watched eight episodes of that. So boring. There's someone on YouTube. I don't know who it is. I saw my home page and it says I watched the finale of House of the Dragon and try to figure out how we got here. And I'm like, man, I bet that was a trip because like they never would have guessed that they had been 20 years that passed in season one. I just I mean, I think I said this to my brother and Hillary that, like, just having these shows simultaneously, that like how rings of power feels like the Bilbo quote about feeling like too little butter scraped over too much bread, where there's just like nothing there and they're just like spreading it to barely eight episodes because they might be able to stretch the story that far. And House of the Dragon is like a burrito that you can't actually like fold over, like it's too much stuffed in there. And they're trying to get as much plot into every single second as they possibly can. And like seeing those shows show simultaneously is just insane. Yeah. Yeah. It makes you just kind of wonder, like, what if they had given the young cast an entire season, you know, like, I think you could have done it. I think you really. I think if they had known how much of a hit this was, they would have. Yeah, I think one thing that is a little tough and people have disagreed with me on this because I've seen a lot of people say that they feel like the mid seasons harder. But I do believe that if you end the season one with like Millie, right? And all the young actresses and actors, and then you come back for season two and it's a whole new cast, you have a bigger chance because of the time between the seasons, like a year and a half to two years. And then it's a whole new cast. You could lose people. Yeah, it's almost more jarring. I yeah, that that's my belief. I kind of feel that way. Except for Christopher Cole, who's just chilling. Dude, Damon and Crispy. Fine. They're fine. Even if they're Damon's hair, they did cut his hair. He might have had a wrinkle put on his forehead in the makeup tent. But I think the I feel like Damon is supposed to be considerably older than Rainier to begin with, whereas like Kristen is like more around her age to begin with. And the fact that he didn't age up, but she did. You're just like, now he looks younger than her. Fuck. Yeah, that is true. Matt Smith does look a little younger than Rainier and the show towards the end. Or at least at the same age. Like they're way closer than it would appear that it should appear, I should say. I think the Band-Aid ripoff mid-season is a little rougher. But I think that the bridge like and you can see it in the ratings like in what people gave stars wise, like six was a dip. And then seven, eight, nine, 10. I just I also think like it's not even that we got a jump. It's that there was certain things about the characters that felt so like I needed we went from A to C and I needed B. Like we just needed one more episode or more scenes or make each episode an hour and a half. I don't know what the fucking needs to do. But it was just that like going from Allison to being like, I just found out Rainier might have lied to me to like the Allison that we see in episode six, who's just like mouthing off to the king and is like Rainier is a con and I'm on team person calling. It's like, I need to see point B in between these two things. You're five, but we got a time jump. So that's what that was. Yeah. And in some ways, it's kind of cool because and it's one of the things that separates it from Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones is a very close, like, you know, almost third person perspective over the shoulder type deal, but with fire and blood, it's more of a historical epic, you know, and it kind of feels that way with the sweeping time jumps, which is a bit of a brave decision because I don't think the common media consumer in America is used to that type of thing. But I mean, everything about House of the Dime, the names are the same. It's all politics to massive time jumps. It's the whole thing like on paper, every executive would be like, no, zero percent. Jeff Bezos checklist would not have been met with the show. But we're going to have titties and dragons. OK, you can run it. Yeah. Tennis, tennis. Jeff Bezos checklist for Ring of the Power. I can pull it up if you want to see it. What would he used to give them to be? No, he used to literally make and then not anymore. They got rid of it. So that's why it failed. Twelve step guide to making an iconic TV show. I don't think they applied this to rings of power, but these are the twelve things that Jeff Bezos. This is back when Man in the High Castle was on, which was a good show. And then yeah, I like that show. Apparently he made them change a bunch of shit. So here's number one. There's twelve of them. Number one, a heroic protagonist who experiences growth and change. Two, a compelling antagonist. Number three, wish fulfillment. Number four, moral choices. Number five, diverse world building. Number six, urgency to watch next episode. Cliffhangers. Number seven, civilizational high stakes, global threat to humanity. Eight, humor. Nine, betrayal. I just like the global threat to humanity precedes humor on the list. Like these last three are the best. Number 10, positive emotions such as love, joy and hope. Negative emotions such as loss and sorrow. Yes. Number 12. This is the final one, the most important violence. Yeah, I don't know. The that show missed a lot of those checklist points, got to say. Weirdly, I think House of the Dragon nailed all those episodes. Did you think there was enough humor? And how is the dragon? Yeah, I saw some people say they wish there was a little bit more like Tyrion-esque typing. I mean, Damon was the like comedic person. I think there was just enough. I mean, it was it's supposed to be a little bit more serious, but there's definitely enough of like the shitty little sarcastic comment. It's not like people aren't going around telling jokes. Like it's not the MCU. And Game of Thrones also really wasn't Tyrion was kind of funny, but it was a pretty serious show. People, I think, forget that. It's more of like if you watch earlier seasons of Tyrion before he was just saying dumb shit all the time, because the writers ran out of ideas like his is his overall like persona and his attitude and like line delivery was funny at times. It was also still pretty much only Tyrion. Yeah. So like here too, like Damon says some funny shit sometimes. Like that's it. Same thing. Yeah. And I think it's OK not to be a balanced show with humor. Like a lot of people, a lot of people talk about balance, but I think it's sometimes whenever you try for balance, you can ruin the intention of the story or the art. I think it's actually overstated a lot. And if you want a really good example is Marvel are very balanced movies. They're very balanced. Some of them are not. Well, good Marvel movies. I'm thinking like the big stuff from earlier on, right? Like most recently, they've gotten away. I'd say, yeah, yeah. They got to a certain formula where like Thor, Love and Thunder is a dumb, fun movie. But even that movie, like Tycho, what he went way too far off the deep end of like, I'm just telling jokes every five fucking seconds. And you can't stop me. As far as I know, Tycho, why did he did not want to make another Thor movie? He didn't contractually obligated to. He was like, fuck it. I'm making this literally. That's what he did. And I was just like, I'm just telling jokes and doing the entire. But there's also, there seems to be a fear in a lot of Marvel stuff of like letting a serious moment just stay and serious. They have to like cut it with a joke. No, no, no. House of the Dragon doesn't ever do that. Um, funniest moment in House of the Dragon was either Pink Dread or whenever Allison is like, you guys want to go look at the tapestries. And they say this is like, what the fuck? The tapestries get a load of this now. I think it was on Twitter or Reddit earlier today. So it was just like the moment when the house, like when the Dancing Dragon started, it was that scene when she's like, he doesn't look at tapestries and they're all just like, what a loser. It was also such a, but like that moment, actually, like as always, the show was layered because, yes, that was kind of funny, but it also was developing how much Viserys cares about Damon and how much he's like, that's my brother and I want to be with my brother and he's back and I don't care that I banished him and he's back because like we're hanging out and it's like old times. And Allison's very annoyed in that scene. And you can see Damon acknowledge it. And he's like, well, that's sexual tension because that's why her kids are actually Damon's kids. That's the start of it all. That there is literally no subcontext. Like I've seen some people. I honestly don't know when they've been present in the same vicinity long enough to have like consummated anything. I saw some people say because of the timeline changes that Jace could technically be Crispy Cole's kid. I don't know that so much. I don't believe that personally. Now, his hair is straight unlike his younger brother who has curly hair. Therefore, per Westerosi paternity testing where the hair is what matches. We did a short about it on Ben the Needs. Like one of our most successful short has 300,000 views. People love that theory. I don't believe it. I don't buy it. I don't think so. Um, that would make more sense, though, than Allison fathering Damon's kids. It's fucking ridiculous. I just went to the house of the dragons. I read it and it's a picture of Damon sleeping. It's how I sleep knowing that I won't be forced to listen to my Sariah talk for two more years. Oh, Missaria. You know, they just need to have more negative emotions like loss and sorrow in the show. The tapestries of orgies. I was the one to watch. Yeah, I don't know if people caught that, but those tapestries were graphic. Allison's little freak, huh? Don't we're getting that? Oh, man. Great show. It was a great show. So we had mentioned it initially. Was there a cast in choice we didn't like? Like that was actually like, I'd say bad or like a character was not convincing. Because I feel like the closest for me would be like Luke and. Who's the older one? Jason, Luke were forgettable. I would say they were forgettable. But like when they age them up, they were just kind of like doofuses. It is almost hard. But they still made me cry. Yeah, Luke. Luke did that on the 15th. They did Jay's dirty dough with that wig because he's like a good looking guy and has a normal ass haircut. And they were just like slap this bull cut on him. Dude, when they there's memes about his posture when he's trying to leave. Did you see that shit? It's honestly so hard to say that like they didn't do a good job or something because they're surrounded by Emmy level. But it's also that I feel like we find the the Allison kids to be memorable because they're assholes and they do like like they do like villain shit. Whereas like Rainier's kids, they're just nice. They're just good. They just try to be good sons. Just learn Valerian. So like what do you I mean? What kind of acting is mean? It's not memorable when you're just a nice guy, which is what they are. Yeah, I'm going to be over in that last scene, though, like when he goes to Storm's End and he was like actually just trying to stand up for himself a little bit. And even I mean, Jayce, too, when when Rainier deputizes them to be like, I'm having a baby. You be my voice in the room right now. And Jayce goes in is like, you're not doing shit without Rainier. I say so. She's the queen. I was like, yeah. There was a scene after that that I thought was a little odd. And it's the only thing I didn't like in the last episode was whenever Damon like takes him and threatens the two Kingsguard with the dragon with Cyrax. And it's like asking for their loyalty. It was weird. It was a little weird, like this is, you know, watch this. And I just thought it was a little odd. I don't know what about it I didn't like, but it just didn't feel like it fit the episode. Cyrax slowly crawling down there, though, was bad. Dude, Worm Boy is the best. I mean, I guess to me, it just felt kind of like Rainier is like, hey, boys, I'm in charge. This is how it's going to go. And Damon's like, this is how it's going to go. Yeah. And it's like the which and it ultimately kind of doesn't matter who sides with them. Yeah. And is that Damon's way? Like him showing the guards. Was that actually a subtle hint to Jace? I mean, it's just like all around is like showing the guards what's up while also showing the kids this is what takes to rule. This is what's up. This is. Check out new the boy. Dragon says. Number one challenge in season two is whoever they cast for Craig and Stark has to be absolutely 100 percent killer because Craig and Stark is such a bring back Sean Bean. They're about to make the joke. He's older now. Just put it in. Dude, I would mark out. I would lose my mind if everyone knows that he's going to die because he dies in everything. Or get that actor who played Benjian. I'd be down. But he's already on rings of power. So I would say he's already at our side. You can't do that. But but young Sean Bean is also on rings of power. Now he tends. I would absolutely love for them to cast somebody that is powerful in the role of Craig and Stark. And I have confidence because they cast that a Baratheon and I was a little nervous. Yeah. But my God, he delivered. The fact that he couldn't read was the funniest shit ever. Hey, Maester, do this. Do this beta shit called reading for me. I loved it. I was hired to lead not read. So good. The Floyd Mayweather of Westeros can't read at all. Another challenge for season two is everyone works to war. What will non warriors be doing? Like at least scheming and shit. In a room with Otto. If I auto her and Laris. No, not Ben Barnes. Not to mention, like, you know, if anyone's watching the Sam Red Fire and Blood and you were kind of missing the scope of Game of Thrones with like the different settings and the different places in Westeros, we're going to be seeing the Vale. We're going to be seeing. I think the opening scene is most likely going to be J's flying into Winterfell. Yeah, that's what I imagine, even though he's supposed to go to the Vale first. The theme is going to come in. It's going to be so sick. But you will see the Riverlands. We'll see all these places. So I think it's going to be really nice to see that branch open. And that's why the show is going to feel, I think, a little bit more methodical. That's first, at least. But Alice, it's going to be the thing that you have seen. The theory of Damon singing to Vagar to kill Luke is the. Now, that's not Vagar. That is Vermithor. Vermithor is Viseris's dragon that he never wrote after Black Dread was down. Yeah. Yeah. People think this shit though. Oh, I see what he's saying. He's saying people think that, but obviously it's Vermithor. I'm sorry, I didn't read it all the way through, Chris. Singing to Vagar to kill Luke. That's some 3D chess. It's also like, OK, let's say. OK, let's say that is Luke's dragon. He was singing to which it is. But let's say it was. Why the fuck would Damon want to kill Luke? Like, what possible advantage could that possibly be to Damon? That people are so dumb. To believe to believe that and in the way that it happened, that is some howl brand on a raft in the middle of the ocean. That would be as dumb as people think Rainey's coming to the floor was, even though it wasn't. Yes, like that would actually be that. I mean, it's amazing, right? The people are like, Rainey's coming to the floor makes no sense. But then they come up with shit like, Amund is the Night King and Damon was actually fucking Allison. And Amund is his son. And that means the day is actually the father of the Night King. Dude, if they cast Ben Barnes as Craig Onstar, I'm going to be pissed. I'm going to be so pissed. Favorite dragon, Vagar. Vagar is just a behemoth. That shot of him just hanging out right there at Storm's Inn. That shot, the one of I like the one in the clouds. Oh, and Eric is like this little this little baby and just completely just encompassing. But Sir AXE is probably is the coolest design. Yes, Sir AXE is a sick noodle boy. Just that wormy ass, like lanky dragon. It's like unsettling. He's almost moving like a snake. Just always weird looking. Yeah, and Vagar has that like sea monster feel to her. Yes, like this is a fucking throat. Yeah, the throat. Yeah. Oh, man, very much like a big ass whale. Do you think we'll see Cannibal, the dragon that like eats other dragons? It's a wild dragon because they because remember Damien was like, there's other dragons we contain. And I'm like, oh, shit, they're going to show Cannibal. Where? Like they will. Where was Cannibal, though? I you know what? I can't say because I don't know. I actually am not sure we're at. Because I know it's it's in the story, but I don't know where. I mean, it wouldn't be unsurprising to show that. That would be sweet. Dude, Cannibal could be cool. Maybe Amon's going to come back and be like, look, it was Cannibal. Cannibal could have an order to eat Luke. It was never going to believe this. It wasn't me. I was chasing him and trying to dismount him from his dragon in midair. And then another dragon came in the way I describe that scene is like if you've ever had a friend or brothers or, you know, a sibling or whatever. And like, I've never had a friend or I'm so sorry. Don't listen to my brother. What? It's much like this. Like 95 percent of the audience just went, oh, like you're fighting over something. And then like you decide to take it one step too far. So you like punch them and they're like, yeah. And you're like, and then they grab a knife. Yeah. Yeah. Or oh, God. And you're like, oh, like, how did we get here? That's exactly what that was, because they're kids. They're kids on nuclear weapons, like my kids when they're fighting. And like normally this scene would be taking place between toddlers. And it's all fun and games. But one of them is what I was going to say. You're like, oh, no, no, no, no. My kids will fight over something until my daughter, who's four, will either push the two year old brother or get in his face. And then he's just like, OK, I'm just biting you now that he's a biter. He just bites. And then he's like, oh, my God. That's all I guess. So that's what these dragons were. They were two toddlers fighting. And Fagar decided to eat the other one. The whole last son of Allison. We never. Yeah, it is a little odd that, like, they don't really mention their own at all. I mean, OK, but it's only like more memorable to smell talks. And I'll be like, I love the target or the dragons don't talk. Now got shot by a dude named Bard, who just lived in Lake Town. OK, he wasn't even relevant to the hop. And he killed the biggest, baddest MF in Dragon in that entire. I really like that the dragons don't talk in Westeros. Yo, shout out to the Hobbit. What a great book. So good. Such a good book. The book, though. The book, the first movie is not terrible. Also, like the fact that we got Sherlock and Watson as Malg and Bill, though, I will love it forever for giving us that. The first Hobbit movie is good. I'll stand by that. It's a pretty good adaptation. Yeah. And then the next to it is, you know, bananas. But it's what people don't want to admit is that it's still fun. It's probably still in the top 20 fantasy movies of all time. And it's also OK. So, you know, when you have shit like air gone that exists. So I'm saying it. But when when the new when Star Wars, like Episode seven, eight, nine, you know, Rise of Skywalker came out and everyone was like, you know, the Star Wars prequels, they weren't so bad. So like Rings of Power is making people go, you know, the Hobbit Reckoning. Oh, it's so bad. But also like you made an entire trilogy out of the Hobbit. Like you made the Battle of the Five Armies a movie when it was like a paragraph in a 300 page book. Yeah, I get making that a full battle scene scene. Yeah. Not a movie. Yeah. Yeah. They should have made it one movie. Dum-dums. They could have even made it two. I'll give it to you on a mini series. Oh, oh, I gotta tell you guys this. I don't know if you know this and this doesn't have a lot to do with House of the Dragons. So I apologize. But did you know that HBO lost to Bezos for the bid for this Tolkien show? But I mean, that's there. I've definitely seen theories from people saying that Bezos does not care about making Rings of Power good. He just bought the rights to it so no one else could do it. Did you know like HBO's plan, this is terrible. They were going to redo the trilogy as a TV show. Yeah. They weren't going to make rings. I thought that was the initial plan anyway, but they didn't have the rights to do that anyway. Well, I guess HBO was going to go through all the hoops. That was their that the reason why they wanted to win this bid is that they could go and remake the trilogy. And I think that is such a bad idea. That would have been really dumb. I know, but also there's fairness. We know about all these like As Long as I'm Fire shows that they wanted to make and then decided not to. It's very possible that they would have that. They initially thought they wanted to do that. But along the way, they'd be like, that idea. But we have the rights. Let's do something not that with it and come up with something like House of the Dragon, which is really good. Yeah, I think that trilogy will be relevant and still very watchable in like 50 years. It always is. It's so well done. You mean Lord of the Rings? Yeah, Lord of the Rings. Yeah. And yeah, the camera is talking about it. That battle scene was so dumb. Why does it hurt so much because it's dog shit? Do norms in the Orc army elves just leaping over a shield wall form of dwarves for no reason. It was dumb. They should do that. And then they should make it one movie for all 10 books. Yep. I'm just trying to hurt you. Why does it hurt so much? Glokta isn't crippled. He never even made stairs. Spoilers for my channel's future videos, but I was talking to a friend in this conversation just like my Rings of Power video was because I talked to friends. I'm planning to do a what if Amazon adapted first law video. Here's a hot taste. No one should adapt first law because you would have to make a lot of changes. I mean, I require if they whoever adapts first law, I require all the dialogue to be dubbed over by Stephen Pacey. Like, honestly, if you want to get the adaptation, just listen to Pacey and draw pictures. Like, it'd be better off that way because they would have to change a lot of the blade itself, I think. And I don't I don't really want them to. I just would rather it be its thing, you know? It's like far seer. It's like they could try, but I'd rather not. Like, I would say that it has the capacity to be an incredible adaptation. It also has the capacity to be shit. So, like, it's not unadaptable. Like, people said Dune was unadaptable, but along came Dune and Villanue. So and Joe Abercrombie's young and he was a film editor before he was a writer. So, like, if he was involved with George R. Martin is if the right studio had it, like, I think it could be very good, but it also could be dog shit. And worse than being dog shit is actually just being uninteresting. Oh, it wouldn't be dog shit. It would be dog man shit. There you go. I like it solid. I think that it is worse to be, like, apathetic towards the show than it to be total dog shit. Like Truth of the Seeker or whatever it's called is still, like, legendary because of how bad it was, right? Legend of the Seeker? Yeah, is that it? Legend of the Seeker. Like, people talk about it constantly because it was so poor. But, like, it was also, like, trying to be, like, legend. Or it was, like, Zena the Warrior Princess, like, Hercules, like, that's the kind of show that it was. And so I will say that, like, it is a lot more fun to watch Legend of the Seeker than Rings of Power because it was just, like, episodic episodes where there's some funny jokes and some wild action and some shenanigans. And, like, it's just, like, a good time, even though it's kind of dumb, whereas Rings of Power is not even a good time. Yeah, and I think about things like, like, his dark materials, I don't know if you watch on HBO. I watched the first season. It's really good. I started watching it, but I didn't. I feel like a lot of the changes they made from the books were just, like, stretch it out and make it a thing that it's not, because they're trying to make it, oh, it needs to be, like, epic and dramatic. And I'm like, OK, but the book really isn't that way. I haven't read them yet. I'm actually, that's one of my number one things I'm going to read next year. I'm really excited about it. Like, it just felt very dragged out. Like, I feel like it didn't need to be that dragged out. But, like, if you're a fan, right, and you're like, it was fine, like, that's almost worse than if it's just dog shit. Because at least if it's dog shit, like, you can, like, get riled up about your hatred towards something. I mean, I have watched, like, cumulatively, probably hundreds of hours of rings of power. I'm sorry, not rings of power. Rise of Skywalker, Rance. That's what I'm saying. Like, if it came out and it was just OK, you'd be like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, one of my mom's favorite sayings that I grew up with was, love me or hate me, but don't ignore me. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, love or hate, and it's best not to be ignored. I think that that's pretty valid for adept patients, too. Like, if you're going to mess it up, you need to mess it up bad. Well, then you become, like, the room, you know, like, just, like, full-on, so bad that it's good. Yeah. I would, like, a 10-minute uninterrupted one-take-of-glock-to-climbing stairs and saying every obscenity exists. I mean, I would be down with that. I mean, you know, like, the intro to the episode should be with a black screen and just the sound of a cane tapping on stone. And then you maybe hear, while it's still, while it's a black screen, you hear an internal monologue of, why do I do this? Why do I do this? And then you finally cut to the guy struggling up the stairs. I feel like if they adapted the blade itself to screen, the way that it is portrayed in the book, it would get canceled after one season. Because of... Because of the, you know, you know, the general complaints that people have about First Law, that mean you... Policeness? Yeah, that mean you don't mind. But I'm talking about, we're not talking about us. We're talking about the general audience, the people who watch Mass Singer every Tuesday or whatever it's on. You know what I mean? If they have enough like sex and violence in it, people would watch it. But if you throw some Glastka balls in there, maybe they'll... I mean, you've got Giselle. He's good for her. He's a looker. Henry Cavill. Get Matt Smith to play Giselle. There you go. There you go. Henry Cavill as Logan Ninefingers. Is it Cavill or Cavill? I don't know. I think it's Cavill. I think it's Cavill. I think you're right. I don't think HBO would ever pick up First Law. I think it's too close to Game of Thrones for them. I think whoever picked it up would be trying to rival, compete with. Which sucks, because let's be honest, like the only television company that I trust is HBO. I think Showtime would be okay. Showtime is a little underrated yet because they've had like Ray Donovan and some other stuff. And they also did like historical epics, you know, that are all based on this Philip Gregory books, which is like the same, you know, swords and like armies and like it's that type of thing. Yeah, it just makes you wonder like if something were on, let's say, you know, House of the Dragon had been on Showtime. Do you think as many people would have watched it? I don't think so, yeah. I don't think. HBO does have that cache. Yeah, and they keep growing and subscribers where a lot, you know, like Netflix and people are losing. HBO, ATT time, all of that has been growing. But at the same time, like Game of Thrones was a big risk when HBO did it the first time. And now we're like, well, obviously HBO would be the, I mean, before they did Game of Thrones, I would never have said HBO should do a fantasy show. Yeah, but I do think there's a competency that comes out of HBO for anything that they attempt. It's like, it's at least. I think in Showtime is also. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, way more, I would rather like. I think Showtime did the Tudors, didn't they? Did they? I think they did. I think you might be right. I'm pretty sure. And the Tudors was a big hit. Was it? And it had Henry Cavill in it. That's the key. Yeah, yeah, it was on Showtime. Interesting. And I mean, I could trust Netflix to do it because they've done a decent job with this kind of stuff. I mean, I'll tell you this, I'd take Netflix over Amazon at this point. But also like, so weirdly, I would have said that I would also trust Amazon before now because like Good Omens and The Boys, like they have the Man in the High Castle, like they have done good stuff. But we're the only two people like Man in the High Castle. Oh really? My parents. My parents, absolutely. It was not well received, unfortunately. I loved it. I mean, there was stuff that I didn't like, but overall, what a great premise. I mean, obviously. It's also varied. I don't know if you've read the original by Philip K. Dick. I haven't. No, I actually haven't read any Philip K. Dick. In my opinion, the show is better. Damn. These comments are gonna be rough. But those big Philip K. Dick fans. At two hours and 44 minutes and 50 seconds. Everyone's balanced as soon as they're brought up for our slaw. They're like, ah, she's doing it. Here we go. She's doing her shtick. Yeah, but House of the Dragon. An absolute success. I'm, yeah. I mean, I tried to go in with temperate expectations being like, it'll be pretty good, I think. But, you know, whatever, it'll be fine. And every week, even when it pissed me off, because it did piss me off, even so, most of the time I was still sitting there being like, God, though, this was really good. Damn, y'all are really knocking out of the park. Yeah, it became, I think after episode like three or four, I was like, I was like, I no longer have to worry about this show nose diving. You know? And I think it's, We should like, I keep watching Andor and being like one of these episodes, it's gonna start sucking. It's gonna start sucking. It's gonna start sucking. And so far, I'm like, this is really good so far. Which is why when I saw that thing about Snoke, I was like, I knew it. I knew it was gonna start sucking. There is like a, almost a tendency, I guess you would call it of the online community. Carnival row, Amazon did carnival row and they're doing a season two. So yeah, I would have said Amazon could do it, but not in our mouth. For a watch, Carnival row is good. The expanse is fucking amazing. So good. I do think that there's a want to be the first people to say, I told you so about House of the Dragon, which resulted in online communities pointing at things that weren't big deals to make. It's the same as like the guy got dumped by a girl once so now I hate all women. Yeah, they got fooled in season eight, right? Everyone felt like a fool. And they want to be the first people to say, I knew this was gonna work. You can't hurt me if I never love you. That it's that. And everyone's jumping the gun, right? Oh, Rainies, that's it. That's the D&D moment. And it's like, it's really not. There's nothing in this. You know, there are things that we can nitpick and there's real criticisms for sure that aren't nitpicks. But at the end of the day, it was more than I even expected, thinking it would be good. And as far as numbers go, it was a massive success for HBO. We're just thinking it's great. Cause like, I hate so often that like something good is produced, but then like, you know, with good books and stuff that like, oh, but it's not a best seller. Everyone's reading garbage. That's like Andor. I mean, Andor is apparently a great show and people aren't watching it. Which at the same time, like that's where I blame Disney for it because like, I don't blame people for being burned out on Star Wars content. They're like, like Andor is paying for the sins of previous bad shows. Well, I'm also going to say this. And this is probably not the popular opinion to say to Star Wars people. We all say we want something other than skywalkers. We all say this. It's the only shit that works, but the general population. Uh-uh, because like one of the first Star Wars shows to come out was the Mandalorian and it was not a like canon character. It was just some guy walking around the desert and people loved it. And then they crammed so much Star Wars that was bullshit down our throats that along comes Andor and they're like, sorry, we're over it. We don't want this anymore. I mean, I agree with you to an extent, but I think everyone lost their minds when a certain character showed up in Mandalorian season two though. But by the, I mean Mandalorian was already very successful before that happened. Well, that's true. I'm not saying that it's impossible. I guess what I'm saying is that you're a lot more likely to see the general population get behind something. Cause you have to remember like, you know. I mean, I said this about Andor that it's like the game of thrones of Star Wars. Like in terms of the tone and vibe of it is that it's highly political and complicated. It's not like, shoot the bad guy. Oh no, Stormtroopers can't shoot me cause they suck at shooting. Yeah. It's a lot like the Targaryens. I saw people even like equate Targaryen sister eyewalkers, which makes me my head hurt. But, you know, of course they did the Targaryens cause the Targaryens are the most popular and they're going to give Craig and Stark a huge role like the Starks are gonna have a huge role because they're going to recognize that name brand potential. And you just have to remember. They are the ruling family. Like the crown was made about the ruling family in England, not about some. Yeah, the Targaryens shaped the world as we know it when you get to. Yes. A song of ice and fire, like. It's also surreal to see like Kings Landing with Targaryen banners everywhere. Like as someone who watched, you know what I mean? Like it's like, holy shit, that's crazy. But I guess we just overestimate. I think we overestimate the general viewers. I really do. Which is why I am so pleasantly surprised that like House of the Dog is popular cause it's dense. It's not like super, it's not a casual watch. So the fact that it's as popular as it is and like, so we can't have nice things. My in-laws watched it and they were very confused but they loved it. And I had to explain a couple of things to them. They were like, but Reneers Queen but Aegon already got Crown King. And I was like, yep, you got it. And they're like, but they can't both. And I'm like, yep, you're almost there. Like you're almost there. Sorry, just picturing your relatives. And being like, wait, they can't both wear the crown. I mean, it was- But I like that it's that and not like, but aren't they relatives and they're- Oh, they can't both. They're from West Virginia, yes. Isn't that her uncle? We like to keep it in the family. I love all the meming about like, Damon and Reneers kids when they get married about how like their like, father's mother, uncle aunt just died. So now their mother and uncle can now marry and they can, like that situation, that's a lot. Yeah, it's messy. I mean, a family tree is more of a family circle. Yes, a spiral. Oh, they canceled Westworld and Raised by Wolves. I watched the first season of Raised by Wolves and really loved it. Apparently the second thing about them canceling Westworld though is that like the latest season, I think was done and like filmed. And then they were just like, they were not making the final season now. And so I'm pretty sure the showrunner was just like going to release what they were going to end it on because it was like out of the blue. I was just like, yeah, we're done with this. They lost almost four, like, like their viewers got cut by a fourth. That's because the show's not good anymore. But still, I agree. I think season one is one of the best seasons that season one of Westworld is just one of the greatest shows I've ever seen. And season two was really cool, but also like started to get super convoluted and up its own ass. And then season three was just like, we're just doing it every show now. Yeah, I couldn't get behind two and three. And Raised by Wolves, I watched season one really like that. And apparently season two, they went out in left field like crazy. Season one was also pretty wild. Apparently, season two is even more batshit. I'll shift X covered it. And I just remember tuning into one of his live streams was like, I don't care if I get spoiled for it. And he was just like, yeah, so this fucking happened. Like he was like, what the fuck? I just love watching it for Travis Bimble's performance because he was he's getting cast in the Dune prequel. Yeah. The sisterhood. Nice. That's going to be dope. He's a good actor. He was always my favorite part of Vikings. Yeah, he is. It was Travis Bimble. Oh, yeah. That's speaking. That show sucked when he left, too. I haven't seen it. I thought it sucked at first and then kind of kind of like the office that like kind of sucked after Steve Carell left and then kind of found its way again before the end. I mean, it found its way and was watchable, but it never got to like peak Vikings for me. I know, but I did really like Ivar. I've heard. Yeah. He was fun to watch. I need to watch Vikings. I haven't watched it yet. Watch Vikings. I heard it's really good. Vikings is very good up until a certain thing happens and a character leaves the show. And then it's kind of like Ivar. Sure. Whatever. It's like the last people. All these people going to have jobs in the first lot adaptation. The last kingdom kind of did the same thing, too, though, where it was super good for like, like I I enjoyed it all the way through. But there's a point in the show where it starts to feel very different. And it's because they literally fired they either fired or the entire writing team like quit one way or another. Like the entire writing team changed. And then it like tonally started feeling different, like plot choices started getting like really convenient. Like the show started like characters were acting different. And it was because they literally changed the entire writing staff. I was like, oh, well, that makes sense. Like it was at least that happened on like Game of Thrones where it was the same writers and they just were like they were just dog shit. They only they could have just handed it over. I don't know if you ever if you guys ever watch Fringe, which I love. I did not. But like they just suddenly found out they were getting canceled. So the last season is like half the number of episodes. And it just goes completely insane. And you're just like, was this the end game plot you had planned for the next five seasons? And you're like, we're doing it now. They just fit it in. So season two, we have to wait till 2024. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, a bit of a kick in the taint. Not great. I'm sorry. Oh, what? It's OK. We get Wheel of Time season two before them. Yeah. What if it's good? It's not going to be. But sure. Not going to be good. I bet it will be better than Rings of Power. I fully believe Rafe. Found the error in his ways and will actually adapt any of the material. Yes. Also, black sales is good. So stars could do first law. I would trust stars. Yeah, I've heard that that show is actually really great. I would say it's a bit of a slow start. Like it doesn't hook you right away. It took me a few episodes, but the Toby Stevens, the guy that plays like the main the main pirate. He's really, really good. He's Maggie Smith's son. But isn't Jorah on black sales? Is he? I think so. I think it'll Jorah the Explorer. But Toby Stevens is Maggie Smith's son. I don't know what that means. Maggie Smith. McGonagall. Oh, OK. No. Oh, great. So now I know you're super excited about my sales because of that information. Thank you. That was quite the sales pitch because McGonagall's son is on it. I mean, he's a pretty good looking man. He's a good actor. I just feel like usually people know who that is right away and are like, oh, that's crazy. Instead of like crickets. Not us. Dame Maggie Smith. Anyway, well, it is late. So we've been talking. OK, we have to talk for four more minutes, so it's a perfect three hours. Give us some deep cuts, Jimmy. I got I got absolutely nothing. Tell us about lemon trees in Dorn. Absolutely, I find favorite episode. Oh, eight for sure. Why the Saras's walk? Oh, hey, did you guys like when Vaman got his head cut off? I saw some people hated it. Yeah, because Damon was sick of shit. I mean, I felt about it like it was like another like four spectacle doesn't make sense. Like the king just gave past sentence and that is not what the king said to do. And you can't just chop people's heads off. I don't care what era this is. That's not a thing you can just do. But you can because this Damon and, you know, he has a soft spot for Damon and he was but he was basically like, here's the rope. Please hang yourself. And he was like, all right, I'm going to do it. Bastards. Like it didn't bother me as much as Kristen killing Joffrey because Damon is a prince and the brother of the king. But it was still like you can't. I know you say back in the day, but like, no, you can't just chop people's heads off and no one says or does anything. You can in that in sense, because he was talking shit about the royal family to their faces. And Damon was like, I'm done with you. Hit him with that whirlwind fucking sword. Oh, man. I mean, at the very least, I thought it was sick. I mean, I mean, I did. It was enjoyable as a moment because, like, as soon as that happened, my brother and I were both like, he didn't even get his tongue cut. And then Damon goes, he can keep his tongue. And we're like, OK, they directly answered. And we just said to chase her. So Damon hurt us. We felt seen. Yeah, it was pretty brutal. The Valerian Steel, huh? It was it was so cartoonish. It felt like something out of a Tarantino movie. I think that might be why I liked it. Yeah, it just like didn't fit the tone of the show. Why not? I don't know. I'm not saying the killing did. I mean, the killing was a little annoying, but I mean that like cartoonish perfect slice where you can see the tongue still like that. It was a sharp sort, man. Comic book. So Valerian Steel, it's magical. Apparently, also really great scene that's really subtle is whenever Viseris air for a day and Viseris and Damon are arguing and Viseris like rips black fire and switches his grip on the sword. You guys remember that? It's like when Damon kind of steps forward, it's pretty sick. He's also just pissed. I was like one of the few times Viseris is just like legit angry. Yeah, any time those two interacted on screen, it was money. Yeah, I was going to say like, I feel like I was prepared to quote Patrick Rothfuss for something else, but like wise man's fear is that like there's two things that a wise man fears. And one of the things is like the anger of a calm man or of a quiet man or something, which like, you know, Viseris getting angry. Yeah, and feet. The other one of the feet. But the actual quote that I thought I would quote much sooner is the one that I always quote. And I feel like at this point, Patrick Rothfuss owes me money. To love something because it's easy. That's like putting a penny in your pocket, but to love something despite to know the flaws and love them to that is rare and pure and perfect. And we know there's flaws in House of the Dragon. So Damon is rare and pure and perfect. Oh, fuck off. Yes, my perfect prinsling. He wasn't really children era. Slay, slay, so toxic queen. I love that that scene, though. He choked her and she still came out on top. She was like, he didn't tell you. He didn't fucking tell you I'm. Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that, too. That's another reason why the prophecy, you know, is used just further than just being like, hey, guys, you get it. Because in that scene, yes, he choked her, but he didn't win that argument. No, we hit three hours. Yes. OK, bye. Well, thanks for coming on. And thanks for having us. I'll talk to you in two years when House of the Dragon season. Can't wait. Never before that. You're not allowed to speak now until House of the Dragon season two airs. Crashed. That is how these friendships work. Yeah, that's what my contract says. I'm just here so I don't get fined. OK, thanks for coming, everyone.