 Okay, so let's get started folks I'm sorry we had a scheduling of the town office conflict So tonight this military commission is meeting there. We're meeting out here And more meetings face Denise. Yeah, where's that town hall going to be done? Okay All right, so it's called meeting to order Is there any public comments on items not on the agenda? Changes or additions to the agenda You want to come closer so we could hear you better We just started another project on the whole West Church road and we're going to grab one It's that hill long till right by the Martin's So that's what we'll be working on this week Any chance you can get somebody I went by today I know it's not what you usually do, but I know it's a stone wall right across from the morse's and This dirt is just throwing up against it Somebody just David Morse Yeah, where you guys Went into with the greater they didn't complain. I'm just saying it looks not very good It's all this black dirt up against the wall now Against which one is stone wall crossing their house? It looks that way from the road. Maybe I'm right looks all torn up Kind of bad. I'm waiting for that to come in, you know, so where's the dirt getting splashed from the road? Well, it looks like you guys just a hill Going this is going north is the hill and there's Yeah, and so that's our project right so I'm saying and so I'm saying that we're not done We're gonna shape it we'll see the edges we're pulling the berms off so we get this up as a burn Yeah, yeah, so we're pulling that off Okay, we'll see the edges Grasted okay, I think if we're talking about the same spot. Well, yeah, okay But yeah, but like it was like you know just because the way the machine goes in it just pushes It's kind of monkey. It's like pushed it against the wall. So before we get a complaint Let's show it by sign. Well, maybe you're gonna do that. I love us to finish here. Yeah I wasn't I mean we just if it's if it's the same project. Yeah I'm talking about we'll just charge it today And we'll we'll make the right. I talk I'm the landowner. Yeah, Mrs. Martin. She's totally fine with it Yeah, it'll it'll heal when we get done. Okay, I would see you down Sounds good So And I'm also Been working on the town hall as well. No, it's been keeping me a little bit jumping Yeah, they're supposed to poor conqueror start poor and concrete tomorrow Yeah, we did we've dug those last parts of the holes that they needed for Thursday, so Two poor and concrete for what town hall porches For the porches out front It's just the the porches I think we stand away from the existing foundation or the original foundation. So That's they wanted to do it in steps. So It's almost there And then there's still the retaining wall out in front underneath the stairs in the front between the road and wall That will I'll have to dig that after he gets The pillars next to the building done So that's that's the progress there. Okay Getting ready for winter Plowfront's all in the trucks. We're you know, the plows are ready to go It's you know I wasn't saying hopefully we won't need them yet. No, we're not gonna need them yet. We got another month Yeah, so there's this same room I don't think I'm supposed to get an accumulation as it's their famous new term snow showers. Yeah, no Right Anything else Guys are Rare to go Paul is really excited about snow. He's just waiting for it. Really? Wow. You serious? Yep Everything he went through last year Yeah, well, that was a learning experience. Yeah, he's got that out of the system I Guess everybody has to have something like that happen. Yeah. Well, that's the best way to learn right Any mention about the Worcester road and Dorothy nailers concern. Yeah About it, I scolded her a little bit asking her to call me first with an issue and then it went to A lot larger project in which what can be done. She thinks it And rightfully so it needs to be dug up and redone Not that stretch she's talking about she's talking about from Mike Mackie's To the tat to the It's one of the fishing boat access. It's that flat. It's constant. You got water on both sides. Yeah It's just wick And the other but the other part of the road that you did do part of above we haven't touched it We touched it once in the spring. We grade it and then it's done. We don't touch that Yeah, because that's held up nicely, but that's got three feet of gravel and under drain and yeah, this one's gonna be a tough one No, it's basically built in a swamp. It is that's right. And that's but that's what she's looking for I thought it was just I thought it was just I want to look at that road this morning And that's the spot that I see. Yeah, we need to get a grader on this great Um And then I see that see the email saying that you know that this is the worst road in town and this road needs to be more Intended to and So I called her right away and I said, you know, please can you just call me first? And let me explain what the deal is But then she went on saying that it's a lot larger project than Then just a quick fix now a quick fix The way I took it from her opinion was great So that's how we fix all the routes Right, it's a dirt road and it's and it's got water on both sides of it That's going to be a tricky fix But I think what she's after is is us to look into a bigger grand project to dig it up new gravel down Yeah, and uh, you know, you'd have to put fabric in also Yeah But that's a large project and certainly not happening this year. Well now A large project like that. You have to plan for it. So maybe you can put that on your list of future projects. Yeah, well, we're we're We are going to apply for some class two grants right next year. So That's one that we can look at Class two is not a highway class two highways. Normally we use there's structures grants, right? There's class two So usually we use class two grants for black top. That's what I thought but you can also use them for resurfacing Oh, and and rebuilding problem spots Okay, so that's one to look at There's that's a long there's a long list of right, you know projects that that grant could cover so yeah So i'm guessing that dot's gonna want to come in and Talk with the select board about that. I don't think so. No. No, I mean I didn't get that from her email I know she just was really, you know, pleading her case that it was a problem spot and I just wanted to make sure it's on your radar and Yeah, that's fine Well, don't be surprised that she wants to come in because that's the way I take it Oh, no, I don't think I didn't take it that way at all. No, that's all right. No, and it's all right if she does Yeah, that's right But yeah So anyway, I I dealt with that as best I can I'll rate it as soon as it drives out enough so I can You know when it rains every other day, which is has it all summer. We've been very lucky But this fall we've gotten some rain and what does rain do but just makes a breeze follow us So we'll get to it as soon as we can We had a couple days of dry weather Good sounds good. Thank you. Thank you Yeah um And the tires on Oh, yeah Yeah, I went to investigate those this morning and I run into Uh eva kind of tricks One of the she was one of the Well, she was one of the one of the Conversators on the front porch form. So I wanted I said, what can you tell me about these tires? Oh, they're up on center road And I know the center road is just a very short part of callus. So it's like, okay I'm big relieved now because it's not our problem. It's up by the bare form and there's there's someone Can you refresh me because I don't read much for much somebody's been as I usually do before Um green update Seating our road with tires have been driving. I've seen I've seen them on center road. So there's there's some on On the north side of the hill South side of the hill on center road And then you come up the hill and then you come down across front of the bear's farm as you go north Three there and then you go on a haggard road So there was a suggestion that That people were putting those tires there to keep motor vehicles out of the ditch That's what I thought when I first saw them That's what I thought when I went on a haggard road That callus road crew is going to put something up to keep motorists out It's going to be a comb It's going to be a reflective orange So just so everybody knows yeah, I'm not putting tires What did Eva want? She wanted you to pick up the tires or Well, no, she was concerned about the vehicles going into that washbaugh and that the wash wash should be fixed But it's not even yes. That's that was a ditch they dug right. Yeah I didn't go see it because I Like they had you know, they it terminates at this terminus is Well, I'm glad you checked it out. So if anybody else mentioned that I'm from the Forge Forum I didn't think the road crew would be putting tires When I saw that Yeah, no, it didn't sound like it was a complaint You know, and so maybe a potential dangerous spot and right Once I knew it wasn't a callus it was okay. I'm out of pictures Right, it's not me. Yeah Okay Budget And I guess we're all set for the I haven't got uh born on date yet, but uh It's coming so Be ready for winter It'll be ready So here's something we should discuss maybe the 2012 is back in the shop Which one is that is that the one that's the one that's the one Because they called asking for money for the motor repair I said, well, you've got to fix the motor before you get paid for So they oh, can you get it up here? So that was one of six two weeks ago So I've still got a It's dead It's it's it's overheated. We're not overheating, but it's It shuts down right there's some reason thinks it's overheating that thinks it's overheating So I was running it for a while With the fan unplugged so that the fan stays on yeah, it's supposed to come on and off with the temperature Right, so I unplugged it and the fan stays on it's like an air sensor that locks locks So I was running like that and then when they get called for money I'm like, well, you got to fix it because it's not right yet Yeah, so it's up there Um, so I'm wondering if we should maybe pursue the Getting our money out of getting it sold now. Don't even bring the truck back here. Yeah, I think you should It's like that it's a whole It's gonna come back it's gonna break down again and then we gotta pay to get it back up there every time right, I mean for the for the amount of time that we Yeah, I would get some use out of that Well, no is every time you use you gotta worry about something going wrong with it. Yeah So Well because we're up against the time clock a little bit As far as the money goes because They said they would give us 45,000 if we sell it before the 1st of january, right So if we go beyond january, then we're gonna lose $5,000 So that's kind of my push for getting rid of it now because it's that's the difference So 45,000, right, yeah I mean that's that's what That's what they told us and that's what I'm, you know, hoping that we get right But I just wanted to run Get it get it out of your mind Yeah Scott agrees You're gonna feel so good when it's gone. Yeah So we still have a backup truck then right Well, yes. Yeah, so we'll have it. Okay, so we're good. We'll just won't have a spare so We'll be like every other town right that's right and when go one goes down we have to hustle to get it Yeah, good. It's just been a very good luxury to have that spare truck. Yeah, especially in the winter So, you know, it's a problem in the spare tomorrow Thank you So you'll get rid of it tomorrow. I will Look into it. Okay. Okay. It's all right. It's not our property right now. So it's really not But I'll look into I got to get the guy's phone number the whole sewage phone number and talk to him Oh, I thought they were doing it for us. No, we have it's their connection. It's their contact. Uh, hopefully he still wants it Yeah, I mean he buys a million trucks a year. So yeah, it's got a new engine. It's got a brand new engine, right Didn't good shake Doesn't run but That's John when you meant to say it hasn't run much Oh my gosh All right, Sandra you want to join us? Yeah, no, but That's the cake All right, hi everybody. Hi, Sandra. Does everybody know Sandra? Hi Okay, I'm here on a very limited Matter and that is the Renewal of our liability and Casually insurance Alice Um, the passive stuff right so the passive stuff it it covers our buildings our equipment our general liability and workers compensation unemployment is By virtue of another insurance policy so, uh I have completed the Application for renewal and I wanted to bring to the board's attention two items And that is Our coverage on our town hall and our coverage on this building So currently, uh, the coverage is a guaranteed replacement value This building here is in at two hundred eighty thousand five hundred seventy five dollars It strikes me as that might be a little low Uh, I spoke without further about it. I spoke with my husband about it It's about right you could rebuild this building for two hundred dollars a square feet I don't know that you can and then you have the vault So that was like The the vault is entirely as kind of a room all of its own So my, um Thought for the select board is we certainly want to renew our policy within the time frame that they have set But it is my recommendation that the select board speak with an underwriter about that They can always adjust the value And They don't mind if we want to make it higher right so that that just Felt low to me and the second item that you could if you choose Speak with an underwriter about is the town hall It is currently valued at one point one million dollars plus or minus a few bucks And it is in again at a guaranteed replacement cost However, when um Our inspection was done by jim carrion. He indicated to us that we may not have coverage It may not be covered at all for loss because it is under Uh construction or renovation So that is uh by far and away That is uh I'm certainly not going to delete it from coverage We're going to keep it the way it is But I wanted the select board to be aware that That was a red flag for me And at the very least If because we're self-contained in coverage We're in this pool with the lct They they can write their policy and if they choose to write if if if this kind of Construction is excluded. It's excluded. That is because it's such an extreme project. I mean you renovate your house It's just simply excluded from their coverage. They wanted us to they call it What a preferred that we had a builders risk builders risk Coverage on it so that a gc would typically have that coverage because we're now coverage covered for loss Because we don't have a buyer or something right So the question is one Is it covered at all because you shouldn't be paying a premium if it if it actually isn't covered at all And two if it is or can be covered To what extent can it be covered? We should know about that So my only recommendation act to the board is to If you choose to look into those two items see if this building is really Valued at and the right amount it might be I don't know 30 50 thousand dollars 60 thousand dollars short and check your coverage on the town hall right so jim carrey works for the league Carrying So the league it's their policy and he say it may not can't he just it was a firm one way He says they were not covered. Oh, they were not so I have a note I have been making a list And I've talked to sandra a couple times about it and we're talking about it at staff meeting I'm going to contact lary smith because I've got all these questions about their coverage Why don't we just get a policy while it's under construction right now that a tennis record brown or somebody So I have a whole list of questions to ask lary smith and have him direct them to the right people because The one thing we're not building anything. We're renovating right So why doesn't our current coverage covered? It's like every time we go to vlct to get Something covered that we think we got coverage for it. It's not covered I'm a little bit Yeah, I'm just It doesn't do anything maybe the insurance way, but we shouldn't be insuring with them anymore. I think we need a representative to come And talk to the board about seems like workers come lct coverage You know the insurance companies that we have because I know other towns have had Experiences and they've gone elsewhere for coverage of some of this stuff So anyway, so I just want to let you know I'm going to get somebody to come in it might be lary I don't know how how many other towns have been had this exposure unknowing Why isn't that That's how we find out about stuff I'm gonna find out if it's not covered like the crane. Yeah. Yeah. What did the whole crane thing cost us? Oh, I don't even remember off the handle Yeah All right, and then sander has a couple more things Do we know the Do we get the amount from the auditors? No He's out of the office until tomorrow, but you're Your basic amount you could move and it's going to be give or take a few cents And I put it in that email, but I can figure that out now with the Do we need to do What the board needs to do is the board needs to motion to get the surplus highway money Into the capital equipment fund if you're okay not knowing the exact dollar amount We could make a motion To do that, but I think that's just our general policy, right? We just we've never really Done it by motion before but I think it's a good idea to do that You're right Oh You have the pretty close, right? Yeah Right and the auditors kind of are confirming that amount which is nice So the Amount which will be off by cents Is 43,441 Dollars and that amount is calculated By subtracting The Amount of money the highway was over budget In the amount of 14 307 dollars Again, that's a rounded number. They're just around all their numbers And that amount is subtracted from Unanticipated or unbudgeted highway revenue And that amount into an FY 18 was 57 748 dollars That was comprised mostly of grant money So, um, we were Over budget by grant money And right that's the delta. It's that 43,000 dollars I don't think we had that in the notes last time. I don't think we had the amounts. Okay So all right, so I would make a motion That we approve the transfer of the 43,441 dollars from the highway budget surplus to The capital equipment fund based on The figures as explained by the Charger So that's a motion I'll second it We need further discussion Questions? All those in favor, please say aye Okay, next up We have this Document here Which I don't ever recall seeing before that doesn't mean anything. I could be senile or getting senile This is the municipal bond banks annual certification of government unit regarding post issuance tax compliance, and this is for The bond that we took out of the town office And Sandra has completed the form Saying that we'd use the money the way we're supposed to which was all to work on the count office I don't even know how many more years do we have to pay for this? 2024 maybe So we just need to say yes, we spent the money the way we're supposed to And then the sign off So Sandra can file this municipal bond bank It says this certificate shall be evidence signed by the borrower delivered to the trustee Dispersed and the bond bank that the town of callas Town office has substantially completed So as to permit permit efficient use and operations of the borrower and setting forth any project cost remaining to be paid From the project fund established with the trustee dispersing agent This has all done a long time ago Right, so you're saying the project that you receive the money you spent the money as applied And that the project is complete And this is for It's about ready to fall down from age right And it's an annual It's the same when Worcester took out a bond It's the exact same form that we filled out every year The bond bank is kind enough to email it to us and check the boxes And sander checked the file and There's no copy of anything from any of the years All right, so I would make a motion that we Assign the certification of project completion for the Vermont municipal bond bank and ask sander to send it and keep a copy You're doing the certification there again certification of project completion And the town office right So next year it'll ask us the same question exactly can't we just send them as built plans and just be done with it It's it's some sort of um regulatory Annual requirement it might even have something to do with the irs I bet it does it asks a couple of irs a kind of questions too Okay So the motion's been made and seconded all those in favor. Please say aye. All right. I'll send this around for signature next up Brookfield generator contract And I remember this came up last year or a year before We sent something to the school and asked them to pay a portion of the service contract And they were a little upset with us that we asked them to pay for it because the school is technically The town's emergency shelter But they've also used this generator a few times and it required some additional maintenance Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, so now we have another We have our annual What is the split we're sending toward the school? I think it was a half Yeah, but half of the $5,000 900 So at the contract for this generator is is it eight Two, okay two sites visits a year 846 So that's for our generator But the here here but the contract for the generator at the school for which they are asking a contribution for the plan payment is $1,200 For the year and they're asking the town to contribute to that payment because The school acts as the emergency shelter for the town Why don't we So which one of these is one of the One is the contract and if they're they're it's all one And typically what I remember this vaguely we've asked the school to pay us back half of The cost of the maintenance for the school generator But they're kind of Not wanting to pay anything. We have been using the school building for our town meetings now Right And we are talking about putting the trash depot there. So I would I would support us paying hope for it on that Okay, that would be my proposal We might see what they want for $600. It's not worth it when we use the school. We probably burn how much in heat And it's real estate pot of money Well, it's all it's all semantic here really Well our tax rate is In support of what he said not that I think we should pay the whole thing and I am on record saying that I'm glad you're not a resident here The um The the town's tax rate on expenditures is much less than the school tax rate on expenditures Since it's all coming out of the same pocket. And we don't it's not a terrible thing For us to pick up some of that Plus we've passed out their driveway now. We didn't use to remember we had that whole thing with the driveway plowing thing years ago And again the state subs pays for some of that if it goes through the school, right? Anyways, plus We do not charge. We don't charge the school for printing their portion of the timing board So, you know, I don't think it's worth spending a lot of time on 600 bucks You know, we're asking you to put the trash depot there and they're working on that and that's taking That's time and it's all about insurance companies It's all about working together. This is all the same So I'll make a motion to approve the Brookfield service annual generator maintenance contract For the town office and the school will pay him both Service twice a year Okay All right, um, do we have to sign both of these or something? I think there was This goal has its own contract and there that's the one they're asking for Contribution for so they will possibly pay us and voice us. Yes. That's just the two copies Okay, return that's why I was gonna be I thought one was the school and one was the town. No, no the same. All right, who do you All right, so we have the motion No further discussion. All those in favor, please say hi Any abstentions hearing none motion carries Who's gonna sign this Any I can sign it And I'll contact the school and advise them Okay, the last thing that we want to keep Sandra here for is To approve the renewal which rose does for the dot gov domain because we can't switch or There's some weird semantics about it. So we every year rose Pays for it on her credit card and we reimburse her Can't reassign it Apparently not Well, next year we can use the town credit card to pay for it. I think Um, we can change the town name to the town of pelchuk. Yeah Yeah, right Then I want a new generator at my house See we'll have a credit card pretty soon and I can use the town credit card But I think that I have to sign in from my own computer that to do it So as part of the problem, right, but we'll we'll we'll give you the credit card information So you don't have to extend your own credit for that, right? But for this year rose has already paid it. Thank you again. You do everything. Thank you very much So I would move that we authorize the treasurer to reimburse Madam pelchuk for the renewal of the dot gov domain We have to do that in a motion. Okay Is there a second I'm going to vote affirmative. I want my money Yeah It used to be 125 For all these years For transparency sake is that yeah, okay. All right anything else now treasurer Uh, no Right along thank you No town clerk update town hall Thank you, I'm on a town life has been somebody likes All right, good night We had no idea when we signed him on how much he would be involved He's doing the forming too. No That's right very insensitive. Yeah And in his knowledge of construction has helped Which has been a bonus, you know, that we're not paying for And the road crew I think is like they've really enjoyed working on something different. Yeah. It's been very fortunate. Yeah And it's getting there. Yeah, I guess Wednesday A proposal for rebuilding the renovating interior Right, and I don't think a long time cost a lot of money You how long it takes and how much it costs? Yeah, we're hoping to get the quote the final quote from Greenland The renovations can take a long time. You said The interior stuff, right? They take like six months a year at that long time And we're also working with don marsh on coming up with some options for Sceptic, so hopefully we'll have an update get an update Wednesday morning on that And then at some point we'll so that placement of that placement of this Extra soil that's being placed down there. That's not going to interfere with the siding of the septic system That's not going near where the location that we're looking at right now is on jeremy and his land the side of the road and that And he's looked at holes And says, yeah, this will work With scott and john mccullough dug the holes So we would lease lease under dear lease or something. Well, I know we're nice to write that's for the slight What is the thinking? We don't have one in yet really. I think jeremy's given a lot of thought Okay, how many acres just started building or there a lot? It's pretty small and it's very Pretty shaped Marsh went through the whole thing with jeremy and a lot of questions have been resolved So Well, I think you and Yeah, yeah, you probably want to sit down with jeremy a little bit before You have to get an idea of what he was because he's been thinking about it. Yeah, he's been ready to go for a couple of months Well, it's all stuff we've just been working on as the committee and We're getting you ready to bring to the full board. Yeah, cool Yeah, it was not at all sure if it was going to work until down marsh looked at the percolate The weaker solver now he's on vacation for two weeks. Yeah So Great, excellent. Yeah, and then we have something brahman isp scott and david Thank you It sounds like it's been quite the Organizational yes, I sent out a copy of what i'm going to talk about earlier Yep, and um Just want to say it's thank you for pointing me to the board. All right, not sure. I'm honestly. Thank you, but anyway But no, it's pretty exciting opportunity and I I'm not sure I can really you know in terms of the wait time meeting when the vote was pretty overwhelming It's going to take a long time Well, I mean it's money And it's as I mentioned in my thing it were basically a municipal entity that can't tax So although we have to comply with all the public meetings and public records a lot of We have to find our own money to do this And so the count we have our fundraising committee that was just started last meeting So we meet once a month three hours, which is a very long while you guys find me three hours too But it's a very long time to keep attention Um, what do you mean it mostly at the Berlin elementary school And we met at the middle sex town Yeah, well I'm talking on rock spirit elmore. So it's sort of a Wow, it's a And I mean this is the This was in the bridge last week if anybody saw the bridge I get this map basically is No, it's another map, which I meant to put this one in there and I'll eat this with But elmore orange and rocks where I have the least coverage With callus wister my field and playing field in x-words In terms of speed and deployment of wits out there Those three towns only have dsl from consolidate communications Um, we've been sort of modeling ourselves after ec fiber, which is east central vermont fiber Which has been underway for I think six years And then now deployed in six towns and they have 3 000 people connected They started off just doing the easiest roads that possibly could now they're just saying we're going to do a town at a time period Even if there's not five houses on a mile So It's fiber optic, but the the thing that you haven't heard yet is probably Lately when you hear about 5g telecommunications that all requires little microcells on top of telephone poles Which also requires fiber So we don't know where that's going to go, but you can't have both you gotta have both To make that work that system where we're not even there yet If we haven't done any engineering or any planning to speak of that's coming up We still need money to do that to hire somebody We listened to how ec fiber did their thing. They had some pretty savvy people already on their board They already had an isp. That was going to a nonprofit isp Valley net and wider of a junction. It actually put up some money So they do all the billing all the installations and all the uh And so ec five just raises money and hires engineering company to to figure out where we have good things They're not interested, but we're looking for a similar kind of arrangement. I just didn't expand in a clue Well, they might be I mean we definitely will will um Pursue that when we when we get there In terms of funding for the thing we're looking at grants, you know subscribers go-to funding and You know if there's some, you know, ec fiber had a sweet deal with somebody just gave them $500,000 Some local risk. I know It doesn't happen that They also got some of the american You know And then you got some telecommunications authority funding when that existed and all that's gone now Um If the legislature gets behind Fiber to the home, which hopefully it might happen this next session A chance to put some more of the trunk line stuff in which Is a you know, one of the critical pieces. It's $30,000 a mile to connect To to run the fiber And do the the installation for all that that is not going to the house That's getting it down the road so we can go to that So the way easy fiber works and the way kingdom fiber, which is the newest one up in Not these kingdom Is that the homeowner? I think easy fiber will amortize the cost over a period To the homeowner, but it's not cheap to so is the homeowner in those places paid from The connection to the that's expensive. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's not as expensive as the the fiber, but it's not expensive Four hundred five hundred dollars No, no, no But the devices that you put in your house to connect this are like six dollars and it runs everything I mean, it's I mean, it's hard to believe that the consulting communications are Comcast have not thought this through because I mean granted this utility doesn't have to make money. You know as to cover its costs, right I don't I think you can have high-speed fiber to the house for about a hundred dollars a month Have you thought about I'm sure you have and Talking with wash and electric about Stay on the bowls and they got the gurus Washington watch watch your electricity here and I've been talking to bill and Barry Bernstein about what kind of relationship the district might have with with the co-op The co-op is definitely interested in participating in this Because I'm on camera. I'm not here officially. I was invited, but I saw David was going to present He's Whack is very interested yet I can tell this group that our board I committed our board not last week and we're advised and the hook has been set, but the data hasn't been made It's gonna have Well That's just the polls and we don't know what kind of relationship You know because right now you have to pay I think it's a dollar 15 or more per poll per month So it's about $14 a poll just to have the wire on the poll So those have to be factored in there and whatever kind of relationship That's Regulated by the public service commissioner So I don't know how that's going to trigger out over time The puc the commission. Oh, it's no longer the board utility Public utility commission They went from public services board to public utilities commission Anyway, it is pretty complicated stuff We have been going real slow on on terms of getting embroiled in any of the regulatory aspects of that kind of stuff The board I attached the members of the board and it looks like old white men Yeah, and that's an interesting case he we last meeting we asked about conflicts of interest Went around the room. Yeah, and he clearly has a conflict of interest I mean he is running not only cloud alliance. He's running kingdom fiber And yeah, he's there's no no no moss in that guy He's doing this because he sees this is the way to go He's really behind it. He stands to lose good deal of cloud alliance in in this model And he doesn't know what the future of kingdom fiber is either I mean they have the money to do craft sperry and hard work. I mean, no Even though the wire goes to hard work Craft sperry and greens in Greensboro. Yes. So it's sort of an interesting experiment I think the next thing you'll hear from us Is we're going to be wanting to do a survey of households whether to do every one or we do every sixth one Just to get a sense of interest willingness to give up what they currently have to sign on Are you going to do that through front porch forum? I my proposal is to do a front porch forum, but there are people But the question is there are people who have no internet at all. So how do you reach them? So we have to figure out a strategy So we'll be doing that probably We need it. We don't want to do the survey until we can tell everybody what we think we're going to do And I think we're getting close to that So that'll be in the next couple months. I believe Have you fucking drop? Yeah, please So many moons ago Vermont town used to Straight pipe their sewage right into the rumors, right? Yeah, and then their water supplies were Githerinian and unreliable. So They got federal support financial support and they started building sewage water treatment facilities and they were pretty low-level treatment facilities And then the time came that Everybody had to do these upgrades Bring up to the newer standards And how was that done? So it wasn't all fine and the towns couldn't afford it You know out of pocket So they came up with this thing the state camp of the zero ramp hold revolving low And they funded both water supply system work and waste water system work and you borrow this money It's very little or no interest And it gets approved it's matched by the incidental resources and then You make payments over time and you know, I see this is very similar. It's something very expensive. Okay You know, there's a couple items to go to the legislature on yeah, that's one of them And if you teamed with wek if wek wanted to be kind of they already have billing systems and they have You know, they used to do this way. What was that? What was that internet service you guys? But I want to correct it. I think David's laid out a model and I don't want to speak for him or the other Yes, but I don't think what will ever be in the detail part of this Realization now you see fight. They already got they're making dumb. It's they're doing What we can offer is the attachment and a quid pro quo I think that's the offer is if you live on our lines and you're a wek member And this attachment part that David kind of glossed over is really important $1.50 for 14 feet of order the number is that that's the knot we have to crack is what's the basis Because unlike other utilities, we own the whole pole. We don't have to share with anybody all other utilities share like Joint usage and ownership. So it creates a different tension about who's attaching to those poles We don't have that so the good news is it's just one owner And we're not looking to be in the retail space the billing space or the content space What we want to do is leverage the asset And give the member a deal that one could negotiate on behalf of all of our members So one of our mantras is to make this a local business. I mean, I'll uh, find a local, you know, keep the keep the money in central verman Now can we do that and everything probably not but To the extent we can we will the other thing is looking for the major subscribers like town government schools Um getting them Connected into The way ec5 it does our schools. Anyway, as they give them the lowest rate and they get the highest speed So they're not paying the schools are getting a real like I think I think it's $69 a month For for 700 megabits per second So they're they're figured out that i'm not sure what um pricing model is going to be ec5 has got three pricing levels Um And they are doing pretty remote towns. I the the map I gave you Is probably not very self-explanatory Those are buildings. Those are the e-sites. That's the e911 Those are e911 buildings in callus And what I did is I counted them using the computer not by hand How many buildings were on each road segment? Which in 911 Roads is less than three quarters of a mile typically And so we were looking to see You know the payback is really five houses per mile six houses per mile How many do we have you know and so anything here that's Blue and green as easily makes it But the plan is you know at this point to do it everywhere But where we can't do it. Oh you have it Can't see the fellas do anything. Yeah fancy. We are now you guys agree So these are the kinds of things I've been doing on my own being semi-retired. I can do great gis I can I don't have to count them anymore. Yeah, I get the tools The other thing when I did this kind of There were I have 878 buildings in callus 621 of those though. I didn't hand this out. This is a separate thing I've done Since the map but based on that map There's 621 buildings That we had over four houses per segment And that was 47 miles of road. So So you can see it doesn't cover all the calluses roads, but you're getting 72 percent of everybody in town on that criteria Now that was just you know my figuring out. Well, those are the easy the easy get to houses To run 30 30 thousand dollars a mile that would be one and a half million dollars Just for callus to do it but here amortize it. You know, it's like that's a fixed cost. Yeah, so And if everybody paid 50 percent of callus signed up for this and they paid $1 a month They'd be generating $400,000 a year. Wow, so It actually Net beyond that because you're paying Yeah to access Oh, I didn't know yet. It's my my guess everybody's saying 80. I think it's going to be closer to 100 because the pool and all the things just add up And and it's going to take a little while to sort that out. Yeah So is our wet representatives attending Meetings or are you attending theirs or no, I'm just going to meet with Barry and Bill and Patty I met with Velco, which is the Vermont electric Uh They have fiber pretty much all around the state, but not to call us. I found that There's something over the cost. Well, it actually runs right behind the wek office. It's jory. It's gmp's line So that's the rub is again back to call us The town is not exclusively wet Another utility So here is this division of whole asset types even in the same community I think I don't even you might be on hard work. I think there's somebody on Marsville. No, that's how I want. Yeah It's a it's strange Through east callus up by my house in the north Yeah, and it's it. Yeah, it's it's weird. I don't even know why we have But And none of their data is digital Which I mean wek's all the aligned data poles is digital But let me think there's anything else on here I so you're going to be seeing a draft annual report and budget from the utility That's what I was going to ask you it's coming next week. Um, we have to get it adopted. They have to go to all towns I believe you need to act on it. I'm not exactly sure on all the the rules that we're we are now learning Barlow's on the policy correct. Yes, right. Yeah Okay, so I just wanted to let you know that we're starting to work on the town report town budget Um, and it would be great if you could put in a piece about this Where you're at in the town report because I know people were pretty excited when they heard about it last year And the other thing I am unable to do all the minutes are on a google drive, but they're not public I'm trying to figure out how to get the drive separated so half of it can be public Now that's not a town entity so we can't Can we put anything up on the town website? I'd rather just put links to everything. Well, no, that's what I mean. We can put we can put a link I want to link all these I want to put a link to all the orca meetings because they they tape them all And they're pretty interesting I don't know some people do I mean it was it was pretty amazing how many people do watch it. Um So there's there were 15 towns that voted this at town meeting We've had one town joined by select would vote because that's where it works now You don't have to have a town meeting. So I didn't don't ask me why so orange joined Why water a whitberry is not joined. I'm not sure You might try them again And I do this point the crook is so well, you know how unruly a six member boy can get Of old white men I know john said that Um It's a pretty productive, you know Without having a real organization and somebody to work full-time driving it Happen it's It's really hard We're probably coming back to you as a town Right now. I don't know who you get any service from it's probably consolidating the gashins But we'll be certainly looking to have you change your contract Right now you can bundle With fair point consolidated or whatever but consolidated is under Review or something aren't they with the public? The same failures that fair point was accused of has now in spades And I hate to tell you there's this fiber line running all down the counter From fair point that from consolidating and just not connecting to him any And all up on these two Uh, they they're a revenue generating outfit that has to make profit and so 15 per month Say what they need 15 hookups per month three times with these guys. I was gonna say 15 That's a lot in the whole community Oh, yeah, our average is eight per mile. So this is gonna thanks What's average is eight per month? Oh, yeah, it's 41 town. So it's really not represented the callus, but right And it's an average, yeah Well, thank you. I'm glad you guys are yeah Hopefully the next time even for the town report And some figures so people can start thinking about so well, Phil is here and I'm not pressure and wet But I always wonder why why utilities like wack and hard way generally aren't in in the fiber Optic Offline john, I would say that's just just general I'll hold you I'm pleased to say is that the Vermont law was the statute was changed back in 98 to allow an electric co-op to be in the telecom So we have we have statutory authority And in that era like the pre in the late 90s early ox It was this broadband over power line notion And frankly the notion still works because power is how if you're a wack member, that's how we read your meter Problem is internet Requires that the signal go from the transformer Down to the lower holdage into the member's location and every step is a big expense It's not so much getting the signal into the line. We do that It's the through rate the water rate on power line carrier fulfilling is Really slow because that's all these do just grab the number But if you're trying to do broadband real broadband, you know the speeds that David was talking about Can't do it because of the transformer Well, there's three issues that and the fact that in order to make the system work You have to build it out to the end of the system Right you got it You can't just do it if you're midway between the sub and the line We still have to build it all the way out to make it work because we don't want to just stop where you are Yeah, so anyway The take rate and the price point that David was alluding to is let you know Consolidated or cloud alliance are offering. I think those are very, you know useful metrics That's what the members are going to look at and say. What do you got from it? So hopefully we come up with some sweet spot between Yeah And every time the time town meeting gets here You know, you may have some more info and you can always eat up and you know Spout awesome figures or numbers Frankly this meeting that David Participates with Barry Bernstein our president report would be really useful. I think Barry's very interested If you're a black member and you know Barry might You know add your voice because that's what it takes Um, and you know, frankly the day-to-day of running utility is distracted enough This is new business. So we've got to find your space and skillset to deal with your business But I think it can be done. I'm personally very interested. I want to see this happen I want to see our polls used for more than just carrying Right the incumbents, you know, so the other the other thing we're very painfully aware is customer services everything Right Because you also the wet polls will carry the phone lines, right? So somewhere along the way something got worked out with the phone companies and power companies However many moves ago To share well, they have to put they have to share. Okay The process is called full attaching entities David alluded to the formula. So there's this cookie cutter approach If you're a phone guy or if you're a telecom guy, here's your formula pay them in And in order to get help from under that regulatory construct to get to a place where we could have a quick pro quo We'll let you build on our lines in exchange for this channel over time or something like that We got to do it a different way we have to have a And the phone companies aren't going to have a problem with this. Oh, really? No, that's the that's the source spot That's absolutely. They are going to have a problem. They're going to flip out. There's going to be a trust It depends how well you sell the program now, right if you have Comcast or um consolidating putting black fiber down counter not energizing, right? I didn't even know it was there. I knew He's when you see the spices between balls is an orange cable in there That's Or when I'm not driving it may be one in your room And I had one more little thing that was triggered by that, but I can't remember it now Bring Yeah, this isn't solidated isn't I want to see oh that was it I yeah, no, it's but in ec5 But they've been you know, they're into six times now every house You know, it actually may be better for them because one less thing to Deal with and they can maybe fix The other problems that they have We'll keep you posted And Jeremy Hansen who's the chair of the board just looked for a chair from berlin and he's running for He's running for the representative from berlin And There's now a joint joint house senate technology committee. We just thought on this issue Both I knew the democratic candidate is pretty hot on fiber And the question is really putting them, you know money where they're Mom's The state with whatever money build a fiber line down 89, so that's how ec5 ec5 is pulling off of that St. John'sbury over to Newport The Central part of the state got up there in the southeastern part of the state Western part of the state that left out Thank you, thank you, David. Nice to see you. Yes. Thank you, Bill. Thanks, David. Yeah Thanks for being an alternate wherever you are Scott Great Oh Oh They're on the orca youtube site as well as the Very dramatic meeting the last one I didn't film it, but it's all Good night, thank you They fly All right, so let's get talking about Did you move that road naming policy thing? Okay, very good poor Katie. She's trying to keep up with our meetings and moving things from this folder This folder Thank you All right, let's look at the road naming policy I Don't think we need to have an ordinance Did you forget to pay your bill again It's really slow. There it is. Yeah, whoops. Okay. Whoops. There it is Barlow's got a new letter on the door. I was gonna say, yeah, that's not the right spelling Now is this in google docs? Can you so we can have some notes? Okay, I want to make a note whoever's running the show here. You've got it. Um Thank you Mr. Barlow Katie are you gonna do the changes? I can yeah Where's the whole comment box? She's gotta type it in. I'm just so technically savvy Now Denise didn't want to even think about doing this four years ago. She said, oh you google docs Yeah, well, I don't do any of that part of it I just asked They're not going to see in lifetime my changes Yeah, mine's just still trying to thank you. I'll take it a minute to get there Tired tonight We had like really super fascinating that'd be cool Wouldn't it? That'd be sweet. I mean something like through something from my isp. Yeah I just Yeah, somebody should Okay, I'm here close got it so we can just start from here. Yeah, all right We'll just need to scroll down Let's can we make a note to change it from ordinance to policy And there's no in the end of his name, right? She just she just asked that And she's changed her policy Okay Yeah, see we just it'll show the changes she's doing them And then we can accept it as a final document There's this ordinance again. Is there a way to like yeah, you know how many words you can do to find all kind of things um I I'm sure That emergency services can locate at us as expediently and efficiently Denise is this a model policy from vltc There's one just I think we No, I think Sharon found one from another LCT didn't actually have one. Yeah Was it brilliant Yeah This is a Presentation Where it says a uniform road naming or addressing system holds the health and safety of the public by ensuring that Emergency services Okay I Know rose and I have this thing about select board. We like it to be one word capitalized We get to do that, right? That's right I know that others don't necessarily always agree. I agree with that Okay Oh And then it's over there You'll have to see you can find you. Yeah, there you go. Well, it's good pretty Wow Okay, changing a road name We're not gonna, you know, you tonight we're just kind of going through it and then we can get a new draft I don't know if we can change a private road name. I think we need to Can we put it out there to double check and make sure that we have the authority to change private road names I'm not sure we have that authority Having three or more residences I just want to want to check it out I Well, I think actually this the town could force change of a private roads But there was a private a person wanted to name their private road I think we could say no Right because it would cause confusion So they have to come to the select board when they want to Change or create the name you probably What I'm not sure is the select board as the authority to change a private road name, which is what that's right Which is what this says I don't know. I think so We'll find out. Yeah, I went one board says problem There's a road of the same name In East Montpelier and people are going to the wrong place. Yeah. Yeah, I mean there could be reasons why Yeah, let's want to make sure My bliss bliss that's a problem All right The way you back up This says private road owners may corner. I think it's shouldn't be shall Yes Whatever No No Where's it going Good job Okay, so those are the SM oh Sharon's no, I couldn't find any reason I thought yeah, I thought the um In the answer to Sharon's question, I thought The state or the E911 Dispans federal Is it back? Isn't it? Is it fuzzle? Mew twa Mew municipal uniform MUTA or MUTSA, I think yeah municipal uniform traffic control Can you put a little question or minutes or something like that? MUTA TIA I don't know Maybe at the end of Sharon's note, we can just put a Check the MUTA Traffic control Control Is something Actually probably Alfred knows I don't know and that's the name of the orange book MUTCD uniform traffic control devices. Yeah, so let's put a note to check that It's federal Yeah, that we talked about the size of the letters and the refunds Did anybody notice how the signs of a small pillar are smaller? Yeah, you mentioned that. Did you see that? No, so which are we overdoing it? We're supposed to work following the standards. I don't know but e-small pillar the signs are The signs and the letters are smaller So kitty, you did you see and I don't it's not showing up on your screen, but oh, okay The note isn't there. Okay. As long as you have the resources you um I don't know if this is what each one pillar is doing on secondary highways in city streets smaller signs may be used If authorized by lawful authority So maybe that's what they're doing Deviations from standard sizes are prescribed here and as prescribed here and shall be in six inch increments So we shared nicely thank you for sharing Thanks, John Hope we weren't too loud I didn't want you to worry about Good night. All right. Well, this is and so So that would so that is actually how Ian figures it out, right? Yeah Right But I don't know that you can force people to fix the number Because up above it says says may we strongly I think up above it says we it's strongly encouraged But I don't think you make make somebody do it. I wonder if multi-unit ones you can I don't know this is a road naming policy. You can't You could make somebody number their structure So I think you're right. Yeah, so I think shall shouldn't be shall Maybe say yeah, it's a chase should More flexible Okay Prior to I put the word to in there prior to issuing a zoning permit Here Okay, and we we defer to our designee is the enumer one coordinator The owner of any new residents or adjus shall display See, I don't again. I don't know It goes back and forth some places it should or shall So I'm not sure I guess I have a Where does the original template come from? I think we said it was from Berlin Oh And I can't I don't know for sure, but I think that's what Sharon said Because here's is the owner of any new residents or adjus shall And up above it says something different. So I think we put some questions That's new residents is what just in ones don't have to understand it So we need to put some question marks there pursuant to article four above What's article four? Well, see that's what I'm saying that one posting of it see and here it says They're strongly encouraged right so then down and now down in this section. We're saying you have to Prior to issuing the property owner developer shall procure a local one Prior to issuing the property owner shall procure from the select board and official address to each new business or residents Okay, that's okay. The owner of any new residents or adjus shall display Yeah, should I think Yeah, I think it should be should again. I mean, I think most people would do it They're so happy that they have a new house. They're going to put numbers on But well, maybe they are but you can't right because we have to make it one section and agree with the other section. Okay All right And it says display the official number on the president premises in a permanent fashion And like I have the 800 foot driveway. I don't have a number on my house But I have a number at the end of the road So it's not on my premises Unless you quote New private roads when the government shall propose road names to the select board, okay vandalism You gotta catch them first. I mean how many times is A lightning-rigged road sign been stolen I don't know And Sharon's not here to ask where she got it from. So we have some questions for her Office of the remonstrate, please Shall we recognize it? That's I don't know. I guess I have a question. I mean, I guess you can put it in there, but Who's going to enforce it? You know, you gotta catch up who's going to be standing there waiting for them to catch it Right. Yeah. I mean you can't right catch them Oh respawn I copy and then now that she's saying I to copy these generally please fulfill your policy this Yes, I don't think we want is anybody else think we need an ordinance or just a policy So we don't need all this ordinance stuff, but we can leave it in there for now Yeah Okay, good. We got through it. Yay Thank you, Katie Now we're ready to talk about the credit card policy Now Sharon had done some And I went in and looked at her fees general information stuff that you posted All right, that was just what I took from the LCT's policy And then here's where Sharon starts Yeah, but I had included I think Okay There are your changes in there Can you see can you see the changes that So I mean, you know go here and do it this way then you should be able to see them But there's an existing Google doc version There was one that Sharon worked on and then I Looked at that and made some other comments Okay This must not be that one, right That's the only thing that I get confused about with google docs is which one is the current version It's owned by Sharon. Here it is. That's it. Yep. Why does it say me on there? Who's me? Me. Well, that's you. Okay It's pretty bad when the road leading policy is longer The credit card policy All right So, yes, I included that other Piece out of the VLCT stuff just for general information Okay And use her to help us with the time credit credit she threw I don't know if we wanted I don't know if we ever switched banks. You'd have to remember to update this policy So, I don't know if we should say The name of the bank or just was that your idea to put that in there? No, Sharon's right. Yeah, I don't think We want to tie ourselves to you could call it a valid credit card, right? Or do you mean to put a card? We may have a multiple of credit card. It just says two here Well, we authorized the treasurer and the town clerk to have a credit card. That was it But I can see a scenario No, I mean we're on it yet But they like we all have two different Three different credit cards, right and one we use all the time, but we always have some That's very there might be we we might have one from a different issuing entity for some particular reason You know, I don't know You know the idea here was The bulk of our Transactions would continue the way we normally do it, but it's sure right small pieces of business that come up That would just be easier to conduct Yeah I've had to use my personal credit card three or four times now Here's the example right here Anyway, that's where that's at, but I don't think we want to tie ourselves. Yeah. No, you don't have to say to the issuing Agency is no What would you like it to say? um Tom credit card issue through a bank It doesn't even have to say that just saying issue A town credit card Well, that's true and a sheer town accountant. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of like wordy. Yeah Oh Town clerk and the town treasurer. Maybe I brought him in at some point to each That's town credit card with a credit $5,000 on the account But even if you put with a credit limit of $5,000 period, you don't have to write on the account, you know What it is, right? Right. So they'll read The town clerk and town treasurer to each hold and use for a town business a town credit card With a $5,000 limit Credit limit of $5,000 There you go. That works. I think what she was trying to imply that they would not each have a card that's valued at $5,000 Well, that would be one account right one account with $5,000 women Why don't we just say that so why do you have to specify that one is going to be for the town clerk and one is going to Be for the treasurer because they have the authority to sign. They're the only authorized signers So change it to their custody, right? Yeah, delete from the account And it can be with a total credit limit of $5,000 And then you can do a Seek and change for all the lower case separate select board Because rosen I have that authority Apparently you also have the authority or soon we'll have the authority to rename private roads. We can have a lot of fun with that Okay Okay, so can only be used Is Used by the named card holder so the card holder is going to be the town of callus Right Right because I was thinking of the situation we had tonight with the dot gov domain because if you order something online, you don't have you don't sign Anything it just has a town of callus on it Yeah, we can Before we finalize it. We can ask signer to make sure that everything's congruent. Yeah Yeah, she hasn't waited on this yet. So I'm thinking like this is draft So this is I mean the reason we're looking at this is we think it's such a serious matter I would suggest What the state does An alliance as employees may be subject to disciplinary action for misuse of the credit card I would suggest that we Augment that to say employees may be subject to disciplinary action Out to with any colluding dismissal That way there's no debate whether it's the first infraction. This is that Oh It kind of says that at the end. Did I get that wrong? Read the sentence. Make sure it's what you I need to Not to and including This is no for misuse The town credit card And then it says oh It says it again there so I I'll put this quote here of misuse Can't we make it I'm assuming that that means we would make it we could make it public if we try Say that Yeah, that's yeah We'll hang them in stocks in the town square So do you want that section removed? Yeah, I think that's overkill It's tarred feather. I like that We're north of the mason card payment interest in fees Now we're that generates fees That's kind of weird. Yeah, we've got a lot to use it for any illicit stuff Right, but so you know our credit depends on the timing uses it to pay a bill and it costs the town $3 Well, there was I thought I made a comment on that section, but I don't see it in the comment side No, I think this is all ridiculous. This is a payment thing Well, this is the vlct Pay your bills on time I do see under the card payments theory if I click on Where you've highlighted it. Is this your comment? Can we get this set up as an eft payment? Yeah, that was my comment Are you able to see that there? No My discussion was that we see if we can just read it to me again Um, can we get this set up as an eft payment? If not, we'll have to maybe put in writing as we've done with other invoices to pay and approve after the fact Oh, yeah, because remember how If the bill comes pay it It's automatic payment. I'm here checking account. Oh, okay. Let's call you get the tea. Here it is Yeah, that's my yeah, but is that going to screw up Sandra's system? Oh, no, it's eft. It doesn't No, no But that's why I put it there. I want her to weigh in on what's gonna be the best way to Ensure timely payment basically I don't like this interest fees I think you need a proctologist here to do this. This is like really micro I mean, it's actually pretty much what we're saying. I think it's insulting I'm insulting too. I think I just think it's It should say the tap we pay our bills on time anyways, like we have a special Policy for this set of bills. It's a bill. Yeah, it's like any other bill It's we take out a loan on a truck We don't say that the road commissioner shall ensure that the truck payment is made monthly basis and No interest on the truck adding our penalties. I mean, come on. It's every loan we have So what I'm saying this is a vlc. Yeah, I know I know I think it's document We don't have to do it exactly as they say right. This is their recommendation So we don't think we need that section. What if we just Didn't all of that except for the very last sentence Where's that? What does it start the last time the treasurer shall monitor fees? And if changes, yeah Because we all know that that happens with credit cards. Oh, that's why we're going to start So let's just strike that Security We suggested that was a suggestion that Sandra made in one of her memos Can we just say stored in the vault? Yeah It has to be a secure location in the vault Besides Well, of course during the day, you've got all kinds of people in and out of the ball Just leave it. Um looking up records and all that stuff. So they don't have any lock boxes in the vault Well, I think that's the point is we should probably So Balls in the ball, you know, and that that's the part that like really would be weird Like if I had to take the credit card to my house to pay the dot gov because it says That you Loan it to other employees Well, what you would do I mean wouldn't be alone But what they would do in that case is they would give you the credit card information over the phone Oh, yeah, right because there's nothing to swipe right So my I think I got a comment After the word lost I think if you if you click I can't see my comment. I can't know what I said If you if you click on the word lost and her comment is just a little bit under the screen there Yeah, I thought maybe I should say lost Stole on our compromise because sometimes credit card information gets stolen No, it says comprised I agree with the compromise Yeah It's like a Donald Trump tweet Let's wait a few minutes to wait else and make it an official spelling It's a contagion that's going around the room here That makes sense because we have to keep all that stuff for us Yeah, the one thing is on this section Her telephone purchases documents documentation will include a fax copy. Yeah, I made a note Okay, what's the fax? Yeah, exactly. It's a copy of the receipt is fine, right? Where's a copy of the itemized receipt? Stored to be stored on an a-track That's a matchbook Underneath it to keep the heads aligned We don't have a fax machine Okay, so this is draft two do we have a date on this? It's called draft in 818 So the separation thing Prior to separation from the talent card holder will surrender the credit card with the slot board If this if they're sitting in the vault I I just I think they're sitting in the vault You want to make sure somebody doesn't leave and we can surrender by saying it's in the vault, right? So can we how do we want to name this so we can have it? Can we name it 1015 or something 18 credit draft policy? draft 1015 Yeah Yeah So we know which version we're looking at Mm-hmm Change the header from VLCT to probably get rid of that It's the callus callus credit card draft kind of card policy Title block. Okay. Wow. We got through both of them tonight. Great. Um Just to give Jerome my heads up. I'm going to ask the board to go into executive session We'll only get done with the minutes and stuff Anything else on those two things? All right, so I'm going to give you my update first The dca meeting is canceled kind of mine was drew just drew his um Appeal appeal And oh good news. Jim Barlow Is changing the way he bills us for his services. Remember we had the Engagement matter and we did it quarterly and so on and so forth We haven't really I think the last time he said he'd billed us was I have to look at his email now, but it's been several quarters And he actually sent the channel a refund of like $1,300 So that was nice, but I did talk to him about you know, why don't you just keep it on File and then when we do have something you can take it out of that. He said now let's stick to the Way we he wrote the agreement. So that's fine So, um We you know, we've been lucky this year that we haven't had a lot of legal expenses. That doesn't mean it Stay that way. We all know that um John looked up the cost of doing cpi The cpi for when we're looking at budgeting. You said it was 2.7 percent. Oh, right with consumer price index. Okay. Thank you Um cost of living adjustment essentially, okay provides the basis from Deciding determining cost of living adjustment. And what was it again 2.7 the the regional cpi for new England um over the last 12 months is At 2.7 percent So just you have that in your mind. We're looking at yeah, that's good information all that stuff um We should do another appreciation dinner I'm thinking maybe we'd have it at the maple corner community center because they have a kitchen there and there's also the east And there's also the east callus side of town um To maybe do we can do something there too because they have a kitchen at the rec center. Oh so I want to see if we can start Figuring out a date or something because everybody really liked it last year. Yeah, that was great. Um I want to talk about a building and maintenance person And I think there's a copy of stuff in the folder Oh, here's the note from Jim This per our agreement within 60 days. I'll agree return funding $1,350 to the town And then he's just going to start billing us Um at the rate To an honest guy. Yes, you're very honest so We use far less So there's that Here's the building maintenance stuff and for some reason that's upside down Do this to make it right side up to work That's still able to do that There we go. There you go So there's lots of little jobs that need to get done and when the town hall is done That's going to need somebody to kind of like a superintendent. I don't know what you I don't know what you call it currently we have Andy Fully set $50 a month and he comes in and changes light bulbs and fixes the window that's stuck and stuff like that but for instance The town office roof over in this corner. Yeah has been leaking for two years and if somebody has to be the one to go and Get in the estimate from Hutchins come to the board say how much it's going to cost Should we go ahead? It'd be nice to have a cover over the generator You know Andy could probably build the cover I think but not at 50. Not in his 50 dollars a month stipend So what I'm asking is for the board to think about Hiring or appointing somebody to do and Andy's willing to do more When he's doing now, but we know we need to pay somebody a little more We want them to oversee some of these kinds of projects and things that need to get done And I found a list That looks familiar. It looks like maybe a dino list or something. Well, I found several lists I talked to Tom Frost. He's willing to do more work, but he doesn't want to be the person Making sure the work gets done. Yeah Andy Fully who's willing to do more So I thought maybe And we can do this at a staff meeting too because the town staff office staff really kind of knows. Yeah For instance, you know replacing and water filter and purchasing supplies Trash and recycling shoveling all that stuff might be You know the Andy person whoever we decide to Ask to take that job and then there's bigger things like the exterior washing of the building Tom frost did it But the town office staff lined it up And they don't really want to be in the job of being uh, so you see what I'm getting at what we need So if we could start thinking about this For instance, this fire extinguisher thing. I don't know why we don't get fire pro tech Set them up to come in on a regular basis to check fire close money Or from outfire extinguisher Yeah, one of those I mean just have someone to look at the gauge That's what the guy our guy would do. Oh, okay. I thought they had a test. They look at the gauge and there's like there's a date On it when it expires and maybe It has to have a label and you have to initial that you checked it But there's a gauge on it whether it's right. Oh, I thought they had to come in and test it or something. No I So anyways that kind of stuff. So maybe we can come up with kind of these You know a new list of what we'd like somebody to do And I don't know if you want to like post the position on from porch forum We have somebody who's good and is willing to do it I would want to pay that pay him a little more By the way, you choose all the lightbulbs and this help raise Let's see finally Well, and then we had an instance where this book detector Oh, the battery was chirping And so what they do what what's happening and this is part of the catalyst for this is john mccullough Who's really so much time to the town gets these calls on a Sunday or a friday afternoon or something and he jumps something to help them because that's who he is And he's really comes home to the vacuum cleaner running right right, so we need to get this fixed. It's inside joke Yeah So are you okay if we kind of work with the house now? Yeah, yeah, and I don't know who any police is But I mean if he currently knows our operations and he's willing to do it with more money, you know I I would be fine And I think when the town hall gets renovated and is back up and running that's another whole ball game Yeah Because there's going to have to be somebody to do scheduling for use of the town hall and all that at a later date I frankly see offices sliding over there people are going to see the opportunity there All right good so We can move forward Very good. Yep Um So now we're going to do minutes and then we're going to go into executive session, please Do you look at the minutes rose? I did Um, September 24th and October 1st. Is that what you have? Yeah, let's do September 24th first September 24th And I think and I looked at them and I think I went in and made Just notes of changes I can't remember There was one of them I don't know the one Judy took Yeah, this is the one she took I don't think they could be I don't think I got them to work. So you can make that comment That's Judy. I think the only, um, one Correction I had somebody's name was spelled wrong on one of these I think that one was mine not to me. I think it's the other document I spelled Samanskis Right. Yep. So under number 13? Yeah, um number 13 It's Poplar hill cemetery Forgot the word hill Okay, and I think that's the only Yeah, I don't think I had The only thing that I found on that one. Thank you for folks come Honoring my plea to check email a couple times a week. It's really helpful to get I don't have to call everybody. All right. So are you making a motion house? Oh, yeah, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of september 24th as amended Second All those in favor please say aye. All right Any opposed hearing none motion carries October One that's the poplar hill Phc right Is it? How do you Samanskis? S-I-M S-I-M-A-N-S-K-I-S Okay, yeah, I'll make sure I had it right. It's S-E-M-R-S S-I-M okay On line 10 Yeah, I'm power of tennis Yeah, and there's you know a couple throughout the document. Yeah, right and there was another some place further down it was I mean, I thought you did really great job on this because that was a lot One day you hadn't we need a done instead of when you start on Do you see an item eight? Oh, this is a line in the teens and twenties right their fund was established You mean in the 19? Are we talking years here? Like in the 1900s? I think that's what you meant and I'm not sure 20s their fund was established Where are you? The board I guess okay. Yeah In the teens and twenties. Yeah, that's the early 19 I know right. Can we say that instead of in the early 1900s? Yeah, say in the early 1900s Yeah, in the early 1900s. I notice you have a paragraph number no paragraph. Well, no, that's the formality thing that Yeah, it's because I do it in Word and convert it to Google Docs And then she converts it back to Word and it always it cleans itself up. Oh, it does So you look at it online. It's fine. It's because I need to make it to a PDF to post it online And I want to document save for you all on this computer Paid it was paid Let's see more number five Well, no, it's that same one It's that yeah paid Maybe yearly, but um under the people's names at the top palm of saidy There's no r. Okay. I'm a c. Yeah. Well, and I I should have looked it up, but um You could google his name because he has a brother named John Masetti to m a C Yeah, I mean, I think you're close, but it doesn't have an r I mean s c Yeah, I don't think I had much of a setting and then so paragraph seven One two, right? Yeah, right there is his name Second sentence in number seven You see it? Yeah, I'm changing it. I don't know why it's not showing up there. It's not showing up there It showed up here. Okay. It's a different Different version of the document on him and probably okay And then one little picky thing is can we change The last sentence where it says a road further to further your road Or paragraph if you want to Same thing same one instead of a road further. It's further regrow Then you would lose that Okay Anything else? Yeah, if you can scroll down The group Keep going. I think oh, yeah under the keep going. Oh, yeah Under the keep going under the bullets Okay, stop. It says it says north callous community. It's north montpellier community And then keep going Oh Well, I got oh, yeah, no keep going you fix that one already. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, instead of 180. Yeah, it's not And that's that yeah That was a lot to take in just your brain must sometimes be like ready to explode here, right? Mine explodes before I get here. Very good So I'll make a motion to approve the october 1st minutes as amended Second all those in favor, please say aye. All right. And you opposed hearing one When you get those done Katie, could you send them Send them to the cemetery commission members. Yes. Thank you. All right We don't have any warrants The special meeting is that different? It was a site us The eyes are not different right october 10 was a special meeting, but yeah, so um Well, Katie and Pack up can we get a motion to go into a second session to talk to discuss personnel matters I would move that in accordance with one bsa section three one three a three Yes And you went to executive session at nine