 the body of Christ and how, because we are the body of Christ, every believer is connected. But then we saw that there's also the local church in the natural, geographically God has assigned local churches and believers should also be part of the local church and we mustn't say that I'm part of the global body of Christ and therefore I really don't need to be a part of the local body and we looked at what the body parts, how the body parts work together and how every part is important and every part needs to make its contribution and in the same way in the local church, every believer is important, every believer is called to serve and contribute in some way and God has put all of us together and we must move in a united way and we must also remember that Christ is the head. So we looked at some of these aspects in the last class and today we will move on to the next topic here which is about the church being the family of God and it is indeed a very beautiful thought, a place where God has called us to belong and for many of us, we are able to relate to this, the church being the family of God where we've met wonderful people who care for us, who nurtured us and we are able to serve and minister to others. So the church is really meant to be like a family but from God's word we'll see what kind of a family God expects a church to be and we will talk about the church being a family more in terms of the local church because that's where we can live out our lives, that's where we can connect with others and have our relationships. So it will be more in the context of the local church. Here the house of God, household of God, these terms have been used in the word of God and that is why we can also mention it and talk about a house, the church as a house or a church as a family. So there are some scriptures in the notes, I'm on page 55, chapter 9 the local church, the family of God. There's a little light on top, there are a couple of scriptures given where the church is called as the household of faith, it's called as a place where saints and members of the household of God dwell together and when Paul wrote to Timothy he told him you need to know how to conduct yourself in the house of God so even he uses this term house of God, it's like a family in 1 Peter 2 5 where we are told that we are the living stones and God is building a spiritual house. So we understand that this is a work that God is doing and he is building a house for those who belong to him and this house simply refers to a dwelling or a place where people live, in the Greek it comes from the term oykos and that's what it means. So a place where we live, now that's just a moment, yes Avni you have a message that he wants to get in but he's not able to, so just want to inform you. Okay okay thank you, but I can't see him attempting to enter the class so I can only help if. Okay ma'am, yes could you please tell him that. Yes I told him to exit and enter again but it's been like 10 minutes and maybe I'll inform you in case there is some way you could let him. Sure and also you could just check with him, is he connecting to the local church class or by mistake he could be trying to get into the kingdom builder's class, yeah please check. Thank you Avni, thank you for notifying of that. Okay so we were saying that it's a dwelling place where a family lives together and we as gods people know the scriptures call us sons and daughters, children of God, we are called as the children of God, so we belong to the house of God. Okay and every house has an appointed authority or a person who leads that house, in the scriptures there's a term called householder, householder is nothing but the head of the house, so when we consider the house of God you know who is the head of the house, who's the head of the house, there's a passage in the book of Hebrews, Hebrews 3 verses 5 through 6, I think it's good to read it, it'll help us understand better, it's in our notes page 55, could somebody please read that passage from Hebrews, Hebrews 3, 5 to 6, anyone please? Shall I read it ma'am? Okay either of you, anyone? Yeah Rupa ma'am you can go on. Now Moses was faithful in all God's house as a servant to testify to the things that were to be spoken later, but Christ is faithful over God's house as a son and we are his house, if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope. Thank you ma'am. Thank you, thank you sister Rupa. So in this passage we are told that Moses was a leader appointed by God and he took care of God's family under the old covenant, he led the people of God and he was a faithful person unto God, but he's described as a servant, Moses was faithful in all his house as a servant. So he did the work that God called him to do. In comparison to Moses we are told Christ is also faithful over his house. So his house is all of us, the believers, the children of God. Christ is faithful over the house of God, but what is the difference? Moses led as a servant, but Christ is the son over the house, whose house we are. So knowing that the Lord Jesus is the son over the house, we must give the main person of the house the glory which is due to him. So in any given house whoever has the inheritance, so if you have a servant and if you have a son, the house obviously belongs to the son. So who must be honored in that house? It should be the son. And we said this, even when we studied about the church being the body of Christ, we said that Christ is the head. So he deserves the honor, he deserves the glory. And now that we're talking about the church being the family of God, once again the focus is on Christ. Christ is the faithful son over his house. And there are other scriptures also that say that we don't just give the built house its due, praise and glory and leave it at that. But we would always ask the question, who built this house? Who is the owner of the house? Who is behind this house? And when we ask that question for God's church, the answer is the Lord Jesus. He is the son in the house and the glory should always be due to him. So when we consider the local church, again we've talked about this earlier, my church, your church, my kingdom, your kingdom, but this is the Lord's church and this is the Lord's kingdom. So his name must be glorified in his house and he is the householder, he's the main person, he's the leader of the family and we must remember that. So now that we've understood that as God's people, there's also this picture of the local church which is of a family. There are certain implications. So in a family, there can be a way of doing things. Every family has certain standards, they have their own boundaries, they have their schedule. So they have a way of doing things in a family. Now if we were to visit another family, maybe a family of a friend or a relative, we would find no matter how close we are and how common our practices are, there'll be something different about that other family. So there's a way of conducting ourselves when we go to that other person's house. Now in the same way, when we consider the house of God, Paul wrote to Timothy and said that when you conduct yourself in the house of God, you need to know how to do it. What are the standards by which you must conduct yourself in this family? So there is that implication. Because we're calling God's people a family, there is a way of doing life in that family which we must recognize. Now based on this, there are a couple of other thoughts that we would bring in. So here there is a passage given from 2 Thessalonians 3 verses 6 through 16 where we talk about natural and spiritual boundaries. In a family, there are certain boundaries which we cannot trespass. So keeping that in mind, when you talk about the spiritual family, which is the local church, in this passage Paul writes and he says that we mustn't walk in a disorderly manner, we must work hard, we must not eat the bread of laziness and things like that. So basically he says that because we belong to the family of God, we mustn't have the understanding that everything goes. When you look at the local church, you will have people from different walks of life, you will have people who are well to do, not so well to do, people who have all the things that they need and some others who are in need. So we'll have all kinds of people in the church. Now in our interactions with the people, things have to be done in a right way. So Paul talks about how we mustn't take advantage of the people who attend church or who are part of a local church. So the boundaries that are described here is, you know, if we were to say that, okay, I am part of the local church and this is a family. So technically, you know, a certain person would be my brother and, you know, a lady, she would be my sister and because we have this relationship of brother and sister, is it okay for me to say that, okay, you know, I am just coming over to your place and I'm going to stay with you from today onwards because I am, you know, technically your family, okay? And then other things like, okay, I have claim over the things that you own because I'm your brother, I'm your sister. So things like, you know, doing things like this is disorderly and that's what Paul is addressing in this passage from Second Thessalonians and he's saying that in the household of God, you know, though we call ourselves the household, there is a way of doing things. There is a way of honoring one another. There is a way of, you know, living together with one another, okay? So we must understand what scriptures have to say about us being this spiritual family, but how to conduct ourselves, okay, in the natural. All right. Now, that was the first thing we talked about, you know, some boundaries. Now, coming to the second implication of us being a family, every family has a culture, it has values, it could have a purpose and it could also have dreams. Now, based on the head of the household, generally, you know, certain, all of these things are defined. So, for example, you know, values could be like, yeah, respect, kindness. These are all values that the main person of the house insists that, okay, these are the values by which we are going to live and the family could have a, it could have a purpose. Family could say something like, okay, we will do whatever we need to do, but at the same time, you know, God has called us to bless others. So, you know, our family will be one that will give to others. So they are constantly looking for ways to give in to the lives of people that they know who are in need. So they have certain purposes that they have listed out and they want to move in that direction and the family could have some dreams like, okay, we want to live in a particular place after so many years and, you know, we want to have a farm and different dreams that the family could have. So in the same way, when we talk about the family of God, we can define even the spiritual family by the culture, values, purposes and dreams of that household. Now, this can apply to a local church. Now, obviously, when we say the large family of God, which is, you know, the body of Christ, the body of Christ at large, it's hard to define a culture, values, purposes and dreams specifically. So if you take a local church, here the example of APC is given, how under these under these heads, we've put down a couple of things which will remain for the church while it is small, while it is growing, while it hits the goals that God has given in terms of numbers and all of that. So these things remain. So what is the culture that APC has put in or APC has adapted? It's a casual contemporary and creative culture. Okay, so by that, what we mean is that it's okay to, I am just saying it in a simple way, maybe a church service, right? We are attending a church service and it's okay to maybe dress casual. Okay, you don't really have to come with your suit and your, you know, formal attire. It's okay to be casual. It's okay to be contemporary. It's okay to be creative. So just, you know, one example there, but this can apply to so many other things that we do as a church family, as a local church. So casual, contemporary, creative, and the culture is also that everyone is a minister and that's just how the church should function. So these things have been put in place even before, you know, church started gathering together. So, you know, pastor obviously has listed out these things and it remains as the fabric on which the church is built and it continues to grow. So here we have a volunteering culture. Every other person is serving in something or the other. So everyone is a minister. It's word-based, spirit-led. Okay, that's the culture of the church. It's spiritual yet practical. It's active, energetic, dynamic. So that's the culture that this local church has adapted. The values on which the church is based. Integrity, excellence, staying on the leading edge of what God is doing, opportunity for everyone, unity and cohesiveness, relationships. So once all these things are defined, it's easy. For anyone who joins, maybe a new person also, they'll know how to actually do life in this community. So I'm reading out whatever has been already listed here. Our purpose, glorify and exalt the name of Jesus. And then, you know, there's an explanation, the IPC is not the work of a man, denomination or an organization, but it is the work of the Lord by his spirit through his people and other purposes here to make an impact and then, you know, to equip every believer. So almost every activity that the church engages in will try to address these purposes. Then the dream of the church has been listed here to raise up five strong locations, five strong churches, each over 50,000 people in Bangalore, with each church having a powerful impact on all strata of society. Then raise up several churches across this nation in cities, towns and villages gathering many thousands into God's kingdom and discipling them. Then go into other nations impacting various regions of the world with the gospel by raising up churches, Bible colleges and making a difference in the lives of people for the kingdom of God. Now, when we look at these dreams, maybe everything has not yet been achieved, but we know that all the ministry ties to these dreams. So this is what has been set in place for the family of God, the local church of APC to follow. Now, this is again, this is this is applicable to one local church, but I'm sure every local church, you know, God gives specifics on the purposes, specifics on the dreams. So any one of us, you know, if we have been called for church ministry and God really wants you to found or plant a church, this is one of the first thing that you can do to sit down and write out all of these things, because this will again, you know, become the foundation on which the family will grow. So as a, as, yes, Christ is the householder, he's the leader, but the senior pastor is in charge of steering things in a particular direction. So when we put these things down for the family, the family of God will adapt the same culture and move forward. Okay, so yeah, I think three things there, which we have seen, I counted the boundaries, I didn't count the boundaries part, but yeah, even that is, that is part of the three that should have been counted. So one we discussed as an implication of being a local church family is to learn how to conduct ourselves. Second is to maintain boundaries and understand the natural spiritual. Third one is to have our culture, values, purposes and dreams well defined. Okay, and that helps us live as a, you know, a family with minimum difficulties and problems. Okay, now, three important practices in a local church. So we will, we will discuss about this. Now what are these practices similar to what we see in a normal family, there can be practices like on the weekends, the family goes, the family engages in some form of recreation, sports, or they might have practices like having a meal together every day, maybe dinner time, the family comes together, they eat together, or you have a time of devotion together in the evenings, something, you know, some practice, which is part of your everyday life. And in the same way, when we talk about the local church, there are some practices, you know, that we must definitely have, because scripture recommends this, one is to walk in brotherly love, because we, we are children of God, we are brothers and sisters, sons and daughters of the king, you know, in our interaction with one another, we are encouraged to walk with brotherly love. So here there's a passage in the notes of our Cessilonians 4, verses 9 and 10, it says, but concerning brotherly love, you, you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another. And indeed, you do so toward all the brethren who are in all Macedonia, but we urge you brethren that you increase more and more. So when we look at the local church, okay, it's not a place where we come only to get what we want. Yes, we worship together, we get the word of God, we experience the presence of God. So we are spiritually receiving a lot from the house of God, but at the same time, you know, there are others that God has planted in that local church who are our family. So how do we interact with these people? There must be brotherly love binding the people of God together. So that's a practice which we must have without brotherly love. It's hard to do life. And in fact, it's very easy to hold on to offenses of people and, you know, have bitterness in our hearts, unforgiveness in our hearts for others who may be a part, may be a part of the church. But when we have brotherly love, you know, we will know how to walk in the right manner. The Bible has so much to say about it, things like you must give preference to one another, things like, you know, you must do good to those who are in the household of faith, things like we must support. Brotherly love means to support those who are weak and those who have fallen, okay, to definitely serve and see that the people who have fallen are restored. So all of this, all these actions are part of brotherly love. And if we can incorporate these things, obviously, you know, doing life as a local church family will be so meaningful and so enriching. So brotherly love must be a practice in any local church. Then the other practice here is to keep the unity and fellowship of the spirit. And Paul writes about this, he writes about this to the Ephesian church. And in fact, that word endeavoring there, from the Greek word, when we see the meaning of the Greek word, it is spoudazo, pronunciation, obviously it's Greek to me. So that's the reason I kind of avoid sometimes saying the words about the meaning of the word is to use speed. So that means to be proactive, to be proactive in keeping the unity. Else, it's easy for us to come up with open point differences to cause divisions, to create strife in the local church community, because it's the easiest thing to do, isn't it? There's a lot of difference between any two individuals. However, when we are part of the family of God, here is what needs to be taught to the believers to keep the unity and fellowship of the spirit. And Paul says here, in a speedy way or proactively, meaning it's like, we don't want divisions. So we're kind of very, very careful and cautious not to give place to anything that will bring about a division. So endeavoring to keep the unity. If that is the attitude with which people are part of the family of God, we will see God work powerfully because where there is unity, we know that God commands a blessing. So we must make every effort to maintain unity, to maintain oneness and togetherness, with our own mind and not for our own sakes, but by the Holy Spirit. And this will strengthen our bond together as a family of God. So we have to maintain the bond of peace. And obviously, even Jesus said this, no house which is divided can stand. If a house is divided, sooner or later it will fall. So what are the things that may cause the house to fall? Things that the works of the flesh, people engaging in gossip, people engaging in maybe complaining, grumbling, murmuring. And before you know it, there's a lot of ill feeling in the community. And in fact, even things like this, it spreads like wildfire. It may just start off through one person. But if the leadership is not careful to promote unity and also to check this whatever gossip or strife or murmuring that has started out, it will spread very fast, very quickly. And it becomes part of the culture of the church. And we've seen this earlier also that a leader should also set the standard. The leader is himself or herself complaining, grumbling, pinpointing. Then everyone in the church will take to that and follow that same example. So we must make sure that we are promoting the right culture, teach what the word of God says and also create that environment where people can practice that oneness and unity. So we must make every effort to maintain unity and when it comes to the works of the flesh, identify it quickly and keep it in check. That's how the church can grow, the family can grow. So that's the second thing that we have discussed about practices in the family of God. The third practice that we can have in the family is that everyone contributes or everyone serves in one way or the other because we know that God has called every single believer, God has bestowed or God has blessed every believer with gifts and graces. So similar to a normal household, maybe the little children in the household, they're not given any responsibility. They can enjoy all the privileges and live in their own bubble thinking, hey, this is how life is going to be. Mom and dad will do all the work and we don't know where the money comes from, where the food comes from, but we enjoy our lives and we enjoy our time with family. And then as they grow up and the parents start giving them something to do, some small task like keep the books properly or why don't you clear the table and they're shocked. What are you saying? Other things that I need to do, but every family has some or the other responsibility given to all the members. So each person serves, each person contributes and in a family, one of the practices that scripture encourages us is for us to take on our responsibilities. In Galatians 6 versus 2 to 5, that Paul writes, he says that each one shall bear his own load. So again, if you look it up in the Greek there, bear his own load refers to task and service. So God has called everyone for a role to play in the church and it's a fulfilling role. It's not to be looked at as, oh man, everyone has to do some work. It's not that when God has positioned us, put us in a family, it's fulfilling for us to do what God has called us to do, isn't it? Like parents would testify to that, you really enjoy taking care of your children or other things. Whatever we are doing for the family, it's actually a very rewarding exercise because you love your household, you love your family and in that way the task or the service which has been given to each believer, even as we do that, we are fulfilled, we are strengthened, we are enriched, we become stronger, we are moving in the purposes of God. So each person has to take on their own task, their own service and contribute. But at the same time, that passage that I refer to in Galatians 6 also says, bear one another's burdens. So apart from doing our part, what we are responsible for, there can be circumstances and situations where others need our help. This could have to do with challenges that people face in life, it could do with struggles, difficulties that people are going through. And as the family of God, we step in, we also carry one another's burdens. Now that doesn't mean that we let go of our responsibility. No, whatever we are called to do, we do that. In addition to that, when people are in need in the family, one of the practices is to step in and to be there for them, to help them and to carry their burdens. So these are all practices and there can be many others that we can talk about when it comes to doing life in the right way in the house of God. But three main things have been enlisted for us in this section. One thing that we said is to practice brotherly love. Second thing is to maintain unity and fellowship of the spirit. Third thing is for us to also take on our tasks and serve. Now when we do this, like a normal physical natural family, the church can also have a pattern, a rhythm and the church keeps growing and the church continues in a strong way. So this is how the family of God is meant to grow and the leaders, the elders have to set the pace for the family to function in this manner. Alright, so we will continue to talk about the church, the local church being the family and other things that will come into the picture. Now in any given family, we know that there are people of different ages and when Apostle John, he is writing his epistle, he addresses members in the family as fathers, he addresses some people as fathers, he addresses some others as young men and then he addresses the remaining in the community as children. So that's the that's the normal age pattern for a given family. You usually have the mature ones and then you have some who are growing up and then you have the little children. So even in the local church, there are people in different stages of spiritual growth. Okay, so we will talk about each of these stages. Okay, so okay, there is a question already. Yes, Samuel. Yeah, please go ahead. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. So before we go to the stage, coming back to value cultures, even unity and brotherhood. So I think that two questions. One is handling differences. So I understand, you know, everybody being on the same page, and, you know, the place for gossips, grumbling, murmuring, so that that definitely, but let's say it's not that, but it's, say I'm a member of APC, but somehow, because of something I've read or on my own understanding, I am convinced of something which is, let's say, speaking in tongues, I'm somehow convinced that, you know, it's seized, even though I've attended the Holy Spirit lecture and everything, but to my own personal thing, I'm convinced or or maybe even like other, like, you know, like maybe rapture or like these, the big where the whole world stands. Okay. So I'm something like that. But I'm still a member. I don't want to leave the church because of, you know, because I've accepted this, my family have been serving the church safe for quite a long time. I have my friends, colleagues, everyone here, but there are one or two things that, you know, I seem to have a difference in opinion. So that, how do you, like where in the unity thing that comes and how do you deal with that? Like, do you have members who suddenly come up like that and how do you process that? So that's something that I was curious about. Okay, Sam. So Sam, did I interrupt you? Do you have more to add to that? No, I have one more question, but after you go. Yeah. So I just needed clarification. So you're asking how, how do the elders deal with it? Like, how does the leadership deal with people who have a difference of opinion? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I can talk from APC's, you know, way of doing things. So here we, we are okay with difference of opinion. And we have people part of the congregation who have come from various backgrounds. Okay. So what we do is, or what we believe in is to preach the word, you know, keep preaching the word. Now, now people may, may differ on certain doctrines. For example, you said Holy Spirit. So what we do is we don't force them into our doctrine or what we believe. Okay. And give them time. And there are various forums, you know, they apply to, let's say they join the Holy Spirit baptism class, they will have the option of asking their questions. Now, they may not necessarily be convinced. That's okay. But there are, there are different, you know, such opportunities where they can ask their questions or membership class, they can ask their question. And also what, what we've done is we want to be very accessible. So the email address, you know, I think pastors email address most people have, but in addition to that, we have like a feedback at APC. So people just write in. And even if they are differing in some doctrine, they just write in. Okay. And we address that from the biblical point of view, but we don't insist that they have to believe it. So even at my location, I still have some folks and they've been worshiping with us for a very long time, many years. And some of them are still not comfortable with Holy Spirit baptism. But that's the journey they are making. We can't help it. You don't see that as a threat to unity. No, no. No, no, no difference. See, when it comes to difference in doctrine, again, you can look at it like concentric circles, the core has to be fine. So, you know, salvation, there's no compromise on that Trinity, there's no compromise on that. Right? Like Christology, who do you say Jesus is? Who is the Holy Spirit? These are the core issues. Now, there can be other things, which are peripheral is not the word, but, you know, it's okay. People take their time to make decisions. Now, some don't like it that, you know, you wear some certain kind of clothes, they have a problem with that. So, you know, there are all kinds of issues, doctrinal, cultural, but the point I'm making is we must have opportunity for people to share. So as long as you give them that platform, let them voice out their concerns, and we can tell them why we are doing it the way we are doing it, but then it's up to them. Yeah, so that's how. The second question that I had was so while cultivating culture works, like even work ethics, like especially when you're speaking of everyone works, I was thinking of, I suddenly went into organizational structure, team members, teams, different, you know, working with your own strength, like, you know, someone is in media, someone is in ushering, but I'm also thinking of, so, and I'm looking at what we have here, which are biblical principles, but I'm also thinking, you know, there are organizations and resources, even trainings available, you know, around creating vision, around creating work cultures, like, I don't know, the five levels. I mean, even to mention, like Stephen Covey's seven habits of highly effective, like the one, the time matrix and whatnot, like we have. So how much of, how much of worldly resources, like, do we look up to? I mean, in my opinion, I think it's somewhat required, like, because there are organizations, people who devoted their lives to, to studying, like, what makes a company, like, how do we form, create a good working culture? How do we create effective meetings? What's the best way to design organization, all of that? So how much of that do we refer to? Okay. Yes, Samuel. So Samuel, if you recall, we talked about those three pillars, right? When we are ministering the world, there are three aspects that we must touch upon. One is Christian life. The second one is Christian ministry. And the third one is life skills. So when we are equipping the congregation on these three subjects, they, they will be equipped, okay, they will be equipped spiritually in their personal walk and also for living their life in the world out there. So what you're talking about here, it kind of falls in the life skills category, you know, teamwork, and, yeah. So, and there are a lot of those, you know, so-called worldly books and worldly theories and recommendations, which have a scriptural basis. Okay, so those ones, it's fine, like, we can talk about it, we can incorporate it if it is beneficial for the, for the life of our believers. So, for example, I'm just saying, okay, we know that John Maxwell is a leadership coach. Yeah, John Maxwell is a leadership coach and he doesn't necessarily, you know, quote scripture or anything like that. But there are all these principles that he talks about. And yeah, leadership. So that is something that it's good. Like if we are leading, we, in fact, at APC, we had done a leadership conference. And in that conference, I know there were different subjects that were covered. One of which was these principles, winning, winning with people. So under that, the principles, a lot of which came from John Maxwell's writings. And if it helps the people, if it is wisdom, which is not contradictory to God's word, I think it's okay to adapt that and teach it. No problem. Thank you. Thank you. That was very helpful. Okay, great. Thank you so much. And yeah, and Tarun had, has added, he says, for the first question that you asked, he's added about differences opinion, he says, I think it is similar to the maturity levels can wait for the cessationist to learn. Okay, so Tarun, you're saying cessationism is low maturity. I think cessationist will be upset with that. One day they will experience a gift of the Holy Spirit and then they learn that, yeah, it's possible. So we just need to wait. It's like, yeah, I get what you're coming from. So thank you. Thank you, Tarun, for adding that. Good questions. It's nice that the class is all lively. In fact, I was concerned. These are subjects that like I'm used to doing it in person. And it's fun, you know, with the class asking a lot of questions. And online, there are some limitations. So I always worry whether y'all are okay, or you're finding this very boring. But it's good to have questions and interaction. So thank you. Thank you for this. Let's take, oh, okay, Christopher has a question. Can we, can we take this question class, and then we'll go for a break? Are you okay with that? Yes, go for the break faster. And I can ask the question after now. Okay. No, Christopher, why don't you ask it? Because if it's in the same line of thought, let's deal with it. Okay. Now, I was just going through the, you know, the material, you know, for this particular section. And I, I mean, maybe it is there, but I didn't see it there, which is around, you know, the cell groups or the life groups as they call it in NEPC. I actually belong to a life group. But I joined relatively late. And I joined during the COVID. So unfortunately, I know it's all online. And I think it's, you know, it's definitely different from, you know, what, what would be there, you know, in an actual meeting where, you know, people are face to face. But I think that is, that is also a means to, you know, create that level of cohesiveness and, you know, in a family kind of environment, because our family is also involved in that, as in the, you know, the natural family is also involved, I mean, participating in that. And I think the other thing is that I just comes to mind, you know, you know, what we had discussed in earlier class, you know, where we talked about Pastor, you know, Yonge Cho, where he has, you know, he has actually, you know, positioned the cell groups as an integral part of, you know, how that, how his church has actually grown and how, you know, they have been able to maintain a level of, you know, bonding within a, within a cell group. And then how it, you know, sort of goes back and, you know, they probably needs to be a kind of a, you know, a loop around, you know, the main church and the leadership. So I don't know how, as I said, you know, I joined the group quite late. So I don't know how effective that is in APC. But I think I'm not sure that is, you know, that needs to be mentioned in this, in this section, because I think it is, it just brings a lot of, you know, a lot of focus in a smaller gathering. And, you know, it just, you know, builds that level of, you know, you know, cohesiveness, you know, within the overall family of a community in a church here. Yes. Yes. Christopher, that's very true. There is a mention of it. Like, when we talk about building community, we'll come to that. And yes, cell groups have a huge part to play in, in getting people connected. And for them to feel belonged, otherwise, as you rightly pointed out, it's very easy for people to get lost, okay, in a large crowd. But cell groups are very helpful. And we'll talk about it, Christopher, you know, when we talk about building community. Is that all right? Yes, sure. Thank you. Okay. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. At this point, let's go for a break. It's 9.56. So we can start off at 10.06. And we'll meet then. Thank you, everyone.