 I want to talk a bit about Ukraine in the sense that there's one guy whose name is Alexei Aristovich and he is an advisory to the president office and what he is saying now is basically after the Ukraine will win there will be the new set of ideas spread from Ukraine since they have fight for freedom to the Europe and Europe ideas will be replaced by the new ones that will come from from these terracters because people have been kind of all setting up a new life with the new world view and so on. Do you believe that something can come from there? I mean I think if Ukraine wins good will happen but I don't think Ukraine winning is going to challenge the fundamental ideas that dominate you because he says that the the European ideas are rotten and it's it's kind of I agree but what are the ideas coming out of Ukraine? So Ukraine believes in freedom but what does freedom mean right now? It means not being ruled by Russians right but does that mean not being ruled by Ukrainians? That is are Ukrainians willing once they defeat the Russians are they willing to establish real freedom in Ukraine? Ukraine wasn't the freest country before the war it was incredibly corrupt the government did a lot of things it shouldn't have done the government was involved in a lot of life the government was involved in a lot of industry it it wouldn't privatize it it held a lot of land it held a lot of industries it held a lot of natural resources when the war is over is the government suddenly going to become capitalist and want to want to sell everything and really challenge Europe? So maybe what Europe will learn from this is that appeasement is evil at least in the short run but you think they would have learned that from World War II right so it's not clear to me that they actually learn the lessons and for how long if they do learn for how long so I think I think that they will learn the lesson with regard to Russia they will learn the lesson maybe about appeasement maybe they'll interpret that in a positive way in terms of how to deal with China maybe there'll be some shake up but the fundamental ideas behind us the fundamental political ideas the fundamental ideas behind the welfare state the fundamental ideas behind our mixed economies with heavy regulations and so on I don't see how I don't see intellectuals in Ukraine advocating for something very different and and and challenging the West's ideas about the welfare state and about the mixed economy maybe I'm wrong maybe there are better thinkers in Ukraine and we'll discover that certainly they're courageous they're neither winning the fight that's an improvement and you're already seeing certain ideas in Europe shaken up a little bit Germany announcing that they will increase the defense budget although we'll see if they actually do it right talking about and doing it or two separate things but I don't see coming out of Ukraine a new set of intellectuals with real fresh ideas about a new role of government and a shrinking of the world of the state and individual freedom again they're fighting for their country's freedom which is different than they're fighting for individual freedom right probably maybe his ideas is that there will be certain refreshment because they couldn't do so much when the all the government was corrupt so there's a new page where they can probably start we I hope so I hope I hope so I think there's always been a lot of potential in Ukraine they seem to have you know they have a memory of the Soviet Union they have a memory of communism they have a memory now of corruption and and kind of what that leads to they know how evil Putin is they've just fought a war against Putin does that ultimately lead them to establishing a better government and rational government and or you know one of the things that could happen is that at the end of the war they will look to the west for money they will look to the west to rebuild and with that with all the money they get from Germany and the United States and other places there will be a lot of strings attached and those strings will maybe that will just corruption in Ukraine but they will also try to make Ukraine into another just another European country and so I'm not sure which direction the influence will flow European ideas are very powerful the European Union is very is very dominant Ukraine wants to be a member right they've already applied right for membership if they become a member of the European Union they become a member of this regulatory you know somewhat authoritarian kind of economic system it will do them good because they come from such a bad place in terms of corruption but it will reduce their ability to impact the rest of Europe right so to some extent it's already impacted Europe because it's walking Europe up to the fact that they're still evil in the world and they're still really bad players in the world but where they're wakes it up beyond that is hard to tell thank you for listening or watching the Iran book show if you'd like to support the show we make it as easy as possible for you to trade with me you get value from listening you get value from watching show your appreciation you can do that by going to Iran book show dot com slash support by go to patreon subscribe star locals and just making a appropriate contribution on any one of those any one of those channels also if you'd like to see the Iran book show grow please consider sharing our content and of course subscribe press that little bell button right down there on youtube so that you get an announcement when we go live and for you those of you who already subscribers and those of you who already supporters of the show thank you i very much appreciate it