 It's the final four days, so we'll say you know what I think I've had a country voice Yeah, yeah, maybe that's what it's the final four days Driving that full truck. It's right. It's the last four days. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm better at country I think you don't think so. I've made him your your It's closer. It's bad. It's less bad. It's still it's less bad I don't know we need to work on the positive Reinforcement here. I'm trying to figure out. I'm trigger trying to figure out what I can say to you that will prevent you from ever seeing I'm starting to get requests now. Just so you know Don't let Sal put you down you keep singing man, you're getting better every time we hear you those fuckers. It's the final Listen, it's the last four days to get forum access for free. That's our private forum It's what everybody talks about. 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Good dudes Great great people here send your name the one I just read to iTunes at mine pump. I'm sorry. I just said the wrong one I know that's right. That's it. You got this dog. The new guy here. Go ahead iTunes at mine pump media comm send your shirt size your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you if you want to pump your body and Expand your mind. There's only one place to go Might pop might pop with your hosts Salda Stefano Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews What do they go hurry up? Let's see three. Let's hurry up. Let's do this. Let's talk about Justin's hat. Yeah You know it's cool. It is old school Orioles hat dude. That's throwback row. I'm bringing back the ugly hat fad The Baltimore Orioles Dude, that's that's pretty good Let me just tell you something right now. I know Google that before we got here. No, okay Yeah, how do I Google your hat? But fuck your fuck stupid stupid looking burn hat. Oh, it's the Baltimore Orioles No, here's what it is. I'll tell you why I knew what that was. All right baseball You're actually wrong. It's actually a college hockey team. It's the organ ducks. It's not the ducks I know what the ducks look like. No, that's the football organ ducks. This is the this is the division 2 Oregon ducks hockey team. Here's the thing When I was younger, I was semi into baseball and football cards So I know what does semi mean like you used to buy the thing so you could get the gum It's like when you have a half boners. Yeah, I was a fool. You're right. It was mom Can I get the baseball cards just so I get you the bubblegum that's right now a couple more tugs Yeah, don't you hate that? Yeah, no, I was into baseball cards and football cards So I know what I know about professional sports is right around the night. It's like in the 90s I can't talk I can't talk too much shit to you because that yeah My sports knowledge is like every year is decreasing when I was a kid like I was fanatic I Collected all cards I could ramble stats I'm in fact my mom used to think it was like a fun party joke is to call me in the room and be like Tell them tell them the all the Dodgers players, you know and I would rattle off all their stats and everything like that And my my two best friends They are still fanatics like we have a thread the the three of us that are on we go all the way back to elementary school And so like a big part of our friendship Is based around sports. I mean we go much deeper than that but a big part of it is sports And so it's like all this sports talk and they just love to punk the fuck out of me now because I'm not up and up Like I'm not staying out. But if you talk about like like early 2000s and 90s Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No if we're if we're back in even all the way back in the 80s 80s and 90s Man, I got you we could talk sports. Do you guys still have your old football and baseball cards? I do You know, I found I found them when I was at my parents And uh, I made sure to go get them because I didn't want my brother to grab them. You know, I mean Yeah, fuck that guy. Give me those. I've got the good ones that I had in like, uh, plastic cases, you know They're worthless though. I mean like that was such a thing. You're like You thought it was an investment, you know, like I'm keeping all these. I got all the upper deck King Griffey juniors. I remember ends up like Worth nothing. That was the fucking brand. Then there was score. What was the other brand score upper deck tops and tops. Yeah Uh, well, there was another one. I can't remember. Well, those are the big ones Yeah, so, uh, hold on. You don't have any other worth money then jesson I mean maybe but not like like you thought that was going to be like thousands of dollars, you know I have something like maybe 25 bucks. You do? Yeah What's your most value? I wonder who has more of it because I have I have some that are like they're in mint condition You know what I haven't looked at. Oh, yeah, mine are all in plastic. I have something I didn't take that much effort. Me too. I have I have them literally like in little hard plastic cases Yeah, um, let's see here the ones. Hey, you know what? I haven't checked a becket in a really long time So I have an emet smith rookie card. I've got a king griffey junior. Oh emet smith is a good one Dude, but ken griffey's not worth. Shit. No the upper deck rookie card of him. That's what I thought would be worth It's worth pretty good money. Um, I've also got who else do I have that? I remember it was worth some good So I got any bow jacksons. I do have some bow jacksons. I have uh, I got trey trey achon uh Akeman, excuse me rookie card score and then, um, barry sanders rookie card. What do you do? That's a acheman in no way the the the both of them now the last time I checked to see what their value was The last time I checked they were worth and this was a long time ago. They were worth like 80 or 100 bucks each so now I'm sure they're worth a few hundred bucks each. They have to be right Yeah, well, I would definitely the bow jackson card. I would have no there was goods Oh, you saw you said barry sanders and what else barry sanders and trey achman. Okay, both rookie cards Football cards that I don't know if they're not as much as baseball. Yeah, they are still though You if you have if you have rookie cards and they're kept in good condition and they're they're one of the better brands Well, I traded my fucking mark mark wire rookie card. Didn't I yeah, I got those actually I got a bunch of a's like in kinsaiko like what so what were you doing with these that you didn't even I didn't think you were into sports at all. You actually had some as a kid It makes sense. Was it an accident? This was the nerdy part of the It was a girl friend you dated in high school and it was her cards and she left them at your house I bought them just for the gum that I liked in the car That's who they got statistics on it. Who's exciting. I love the gum that came with them And then you lick the powder off it was like it was like made out of like razor blades and cardboard You remember what the hell kind of gum was that you remember how hard it was Seriously, no joke throw it it would shatter You could literally this is not a joke now if you had that gum on an airplane They take you off because you could kill motherfuckers with it. It was sharp It was hard and sharp. So take me back to how did you get cards? Why do you even have cards? Yeah, I was in I'm telling you as a kid for like a science As a kid I was into I was into sports for a little while. Hmm. Definitely. Wow. Yeah, definitely Definitely the 49ers when they were in the fucking 80s when they were awesome Bandwagon, that's good. No No, it wasn't you like a winning team. I liked to play Football street football. So like football on the street. Oh shit. Oh shit street football You were fucking hardcore Yeah Damn, yeah, it's weird. It's weird. We should play Basketball again So now that we should just kidding. Yeah, exactly. No, you just opened up a door there. Let's you know, was there ever You know what motherfucker? I'm gonna beat you again. Let's bring it motherfucker again. But until we play again I'm the reigning. Did you have a did you have a did you have a sport? That's what you do that you played as a kid or that you really wish you played or wish you were good at Like there was there like something that you're like, like I go back now and I think like fuck man I wish I would have swam even though I didn't think swimming was cool because because you think you would have been good at it Yeah, of course. I mean and let's be honest as a kid you you tend to gravitate towards the shit You're good at anyways. I mean that's the stuff that you fall in love with Nobody likes a sport that you start and you get your ass kicked for three years. I was I was really good at how to go seek No, I think I really was though for real. There was no there was never a sport You're like, man, I wish I was good at that or I wish I was the fucking best at all any of them I don't know skill. I wouldn't be sitting here. Well, I don't really like I never I never cared about baseball Did you ever try track Sal? Yeah, I did. Uh, I was really That's not much of a sport. Not into running. Yeah No, like shot putting all that shit. No, I fucked up. Okay stupid. I did I just did judo as a kid judo. I wrestled a little bit with the with the team, but I didn't wrestle for the school And um, and then I just play shit on my own, but then I started lifting weights, dude I was 12 start lifting weights. That was my thing. Oh, yeah, that's early You know what I mean because I didn't start lifting weights till after 15 16. Yeah, exactly beyond that Had I met you guys I could have totally been your trainer Well, you know I'm saying I could have showed you guys some stuff You probably could have actually the shit that I was doing when I first started the chance I'm not sure. I'm not sure how I grew at all. What's the worst champion? What's the worst habits or something? Yeah, what's like the worst like workout fucking shit you did when you were a kid I mean, there was probably there was probably months maybe even years that I went like You know biceps and triceps was like all we did for Literally like months months do you have months months of arms dude like months of arms Oh, I like I don't think there there was times where you know and like I I never want to do chest because I was terrible at it It was so bad at bench pressing and my buddies loved to do it and I hated to do it because I was terrible It was weak and my form was terrible didn't feel right. So I avoided it like the plague And legs. I mean, I didn't do legs till I was like in my 20s, you know, so I I literally did like arms I did like all bench like all day All I would do like every angle every possible thing like all just bench, you know, like I just was like that's all I wanted to do It was just bench, you know, that's so so I was so different from you guys. I always trained everything always I always trained everything and I wrote everything down. Actually. I think I took my Oh, I didn't start tracking you my workout Then I bring you guys at one time and show you guys my my printed out workouts and shizzle those 14 years old Yeah, yeah But the worst thing that I would do is I would just do everything all the time So I would literally be but I did a split, right? But so if I did chest it was every single chest exercise I could possibly think about I didn't do see I didn't do workouts like that I went through phases of bad training, right? Like my first phase of bad training would be like just doing buys and tries And then then like when I actually realized like hey, I need to do these other muscle groups Then it was like, you know, like you said I just I would be chest day and I would go in and do every Machine and every chest exercise I could think of until I like I ran out like, uh, I did everything, you know I come out of here now, right? Well, it's still squat because I mean we had to do that for for sports We like you were tested on squat and you're tested on bench and like that's all anybody cared about Yeah, so I got really good at those two I don't think I did my first are doing power cleans 20s 20s. Yeah I didn't do my first squats. I was in my 20s and even as a trainer like I feel so bad that I I avoided teaching that that much like because very few clients I felt like had the proper mechanics. Nobody did dude. You know, it's hard to teach a squat It is no it is it's it's a so if you don't know how to do it really well yourself forget it as a trainer Well, and I think that's a a lot of why we talk about it so much as we know that right like I'm not stupid Like I was a fucking trainer and I was a boss of trainers for a very long time So I see what you guys are fucking doing, you know, you guys aren't you're not very good at squatting So you're not teaching it same thing with deadlifting So you're avoiding two of the best fucking movements you could possibly do I mean if there was anything I could go back and tell the younger trainer or self of me or self What the fuck that was all messed up Younger me right whatever I would do. I would tell myself listen, bro Figure this shit out and help your would you have listened? Yeah, you get a hard head. Yeah, I do but you know what like if first of all Then if the future me like I look at him and I'd be like, God this guy looks smart. He's good looking I might listen to him, you know, I'm saying like maybe if like you or Justin came and told me I'd probably be too stubborn to listen He'd look at his future itself and he got his handsome. Well, okay, whatever you say, bro You'd look at your future self. Show me the way dude. Oh my god. Did I fall on my face at some point? Weird What happened to my hair like this buff hippie? What happened? Yeah, no, I uh Two I had two breakthroughs as a kid one was My first time taking creatine because I've been taking creatine on an office since I was probably 16 I bought guzzle cell. I bought phospha game. Oh, not phosphagen Phosphogen was es is just pure creatine powder But then they made a protein powder that I created and it was called phospha game And since all I ever wanted to do was gain. Yeah better believe on my Phosphate I had cytogane or like crazy. God, that's crap. But I took it. I'll never forget. I took it and like I used to weigh myself, right? So like seven days later. I weighed myself and I gained like four pounds and I was like Holy shit. This actually works. So that was a huge breakthrough for me Then the second breakthrough was when I started squatting and deadlifting and I'm not joking I put on over a summer and of course keep in mind. I force fed the shit out of myself But I gained like something like 13 pounds over a summer which is a massive amount for like a 16 I can't imagine if I actually was squatting deadlifting overhead pressing as a kid Like how much my body would have responded dude my ass Because I had no ass and no legs I was doing leg press and shit like that and they kind of grew but I started squatting and deadlifting And I had to buy new pants. Yeah, it was so crazy. I like put them on and I was like what happened I really feel like for at least those opposite for me. I had legs in in chest But like no arms and then all of a sudden I started focusing on arms It was like And then I started playing basketball and I actually affected like some of the other guys were like Oh, shit. What did you do over the summer? Like your arms are crazy And so everybody started doing arms. It was like this arm. You always had a big ass Big old ass. Do you ever go back and look at the photos or though of kids and stuff that you thought were like Massive and buff and big when you were a kid and then look at what the actual picture is now as an adult Like I had a buddy who I was like swear when I was a kid He was just jacked like crazy jacked, dude, and then I go back and look at the pictures. I'm like, oh, he looked like a little boy still And because he was you know, I'm saying he was always 17 years old But he was so jacked he compared and that's because when you're that age You don't look at you don't look at 28 30 year olds and look at like compare your physique to you That's so far ahead or oh my god. They must be on steroids. You don't even think about that You only look at what's right in front of you and so and your friends and it's that you look to the friend That looks the craziest right and to you he's like Cock diesel and then I go back and I look at pictures of like he barely looks like he works out I haven't heard cock diesel in a long time If that was my nickname I uh, uh, do you guys have pictures of yourselves flexing when you guys were kids like like young Only in action shots where I'm like, you know driving to I told you the photo my my parents put on my 16th birthday That should be our homework my 16th birthday. Okay. That's my golden birthday. So what's your golden birthday? Do you know what yours is? I don't even know what that means. You get a golden shower I don't know what a golden birthday is when your birthday lands on the day So like I'm November 16th. So my golden birthday was when I turned 16 years old So what's your what are your dates? What are your dates? I was four. Oh, that's so my golden birthday was I was four Yeah, you that was a fucking riot. Let me tell you what was your what's yours? Hookers and tell me how that works again. So what what did what month? Okay month? You're january. So one no no no january What 26? Okay. So 26 was your golden birthday. Okay. Doug was yours 23rd. So there you go. That's your golden birthday mine was 16. So we made this shit up. I don't know whatever It's probably some well, I was gonna say pentress thing, but it's well. This was way before pentress. So It's some bullshit. I think they lied to you. No, no, whatever Adam. It's your golden birthday. Aren't you excited like what? Well as a kid I was a good way to get my parents to like make a big deal about it, right? Oh, so maybe you made this shit up for sure. I might have been that good. Who knows? My next birthday is my golden one. Yeah That means double the presents they well they did they did all these like uh, they did all my repping favorite gold We went and did like a limo to uh dinner and then I came back limo and you were 16 Well, I did it a girl who owned a limo. So that wasn't hard. Oh man. Yeah, wait This whole story is fucking crazy. Well, you dated a girl Starts with your presence being wrapped in gold. Then you you dated a girl at 16. That's why you're so bougie drove a Who owned the limo? Yeah, her parents owned a limo. So her dad was she she was 16 also. Okay. Yeah Yeah, so did she drive the limo with you in the back? No, no, we had a driver Wow, so that's the way it works. So her parents are fancy. Yeah, her parents Yeah, that's why it's why I like the guy who takes the limo all over the place, right? So She was uh, her mom and dad mom was uh, actually just a teacher But her dad was a lawyer like the lawyer in town for a small town And uh, they owned a limo and then any all you had to do was pay for the driver And you know for my birthday, of course my you know girlfriend's parents took care of the driver for us So we had a limo And you know because I people were probably going like wait a second this motherfucker said he had a poor He was poor I was okay, so I did have moments like this that I got to he knows people Which probably explains why it was a suburban Hey, I'm the lawyer in town. What are those wagons called? A station wagon. Oh my god. This has this has a back. This has two back seats. Wow It's like a limo with a station wagon with four lawn chairs in the back. So, you know limo same thing Same difference Hey, baby for your birthday your golden birthday. We got you a limo. It's like that's a pickup truck No, no, no, no, look at the chairs in the back So you know what I mean, right same thing So it pulls up we go out and then when we come back, uh, you know All the gold presents were out my cake and stuff and then as soon as you walk through the door On the wall across the way my parents had blown up literally by you know, it was you know, four feet by Two and a half feet wide this picture of me And it was when I was like I was in Modesto So I had to been like five or six years old at the oldest right somewhere between five and seven somewhere in that range and I'm in on a coffee table just like this one And I'm posing in my red underwear and I'm You know doing these muscle poses and shit like that and they blew it up And that was like the picture that I was looking at when I walked into into the house It was pretty embarrassing My mom still has it can you please try to be hold in or she's still how I'll bring it down here It'll be funny, right? Can this be our homework? Can we all go get like a like an old flexing photo of ourselves so we can like post it Actually, if we could find the old if everyone could find the oldest flexing picture that would be cool Well, I'm not because it doesn't count if you have it when you're like 16 Yeah, I got high school like I have 13 or 14 or 13 That's a young about earlier. Yeah, I should see you come up with the youngest Well, I already know I get you guys can't get you you got you got me Well, I don't know if I don't know if I have any from when I was real young But the one when I was like 14, it's pretty legit like I'm a skinny kid, but I have some decent definition Well, I have some of those when I see them when I'm like 17 18 Like when I was really starting to actually lift weights, you know and posing where I think I'm The ill no dude. No, no, no at 14 years old. I could pose better than most bodybuilders I had I had practiced the side arm pose by Arnold the fucking twisting three quarter Oh, yeah, dude. I thought for sure. I was gonna be mr. Olympia The irony I realized that I didn't I didn't build muscle. How funny is it that I never did any of that? I mean, obviously, there's a picture of me posing, but it would mean it looks terrible, right? And it is the Arnold pose. It's this one, you know, so but I did you think you guys did you guys ever think like I'm gonna be a bodybuilder never even one even up until the day before I decided I was gonna be a bodybuilder and compete I or men's physique. What the fuck you want to call it men bikini? I Uh Never once like thought oh, it'd be so cool to do. I don't want the most cool. I thought I was gonna be Ronnie lot the most The most I ever thought I was except for your white Yeah, that's gonna say I wasn't gonna work out. You got a hard time. I loved him The the closest I think uh, let me see think here. God. What did I? You know, I never once thought that would ever be cool I think the coolest I ever thought working out was I remember and this is what made me want to be a Trainer was when I first started lifting There was a jacked ass trainer that was Training out of our facility. It was the place that I took you guys for maps block, right? It was there And he was just like jacked and we used to always like ask him questions like amen And it's you know, it's so funny. It's the shit that drives me crazy as a trainer now like Yo, dude, what's the best bicep exercise idolize people like that though? And you walk up and you know, hey, bro. What's what's what's the best best bicep exercise? You are huge Yeah, so he tell me how he made me want to be a trainer But then I never thought I could make any money doing that because I never saw any like rich trainers or anybody that was like Which I was very money motivated coming from not having a lot of money So I thought it would be a cool job to have while I went to college and got like a real job So that was the only time I thought wow, this would be cool or I want to do this No, I thought I thought one set for a small second I thought oh, I don't think I wanted to compete as a bodybuilder But like I'm definitely gonna get as big as arnold did because that's just what happens when you work hard at something Then for a second like I said I played street football That doesn't mean like Like a like a brand of football where we play crazy It just means I played in my street in front of my house with kids. Yeah, and uh, we know it was a joke No, no, no one thought it was an organized league. You didn't have to explain that So check this out though. I was actually pretty good at uh being a wide receiver because we'd have all these kids together And I mean I was five years older than everybody, but that's not why I was the best It's because I actually had some skills But you little kid's like boo, bitch Touchdown motherfucker. That's right. No, I know we know they were all my age and we were playing and I was actually really good at At receiving I was like really people had a tough time covering me And so I thought now looking back. I'm sure everybody was horrible But but back then I had these delusions of grandeur like I often do And I thought for sure I was gonna be because I thought I would be like tim brown Tim brown was the dude that I really looked up to And they're in that period of time. So for some for for a small period of time I thought I'm gonna be a wide receiver. Dude, not jerry, right? I was just gonna say he was a nighter fan. He's a bandwagon fan, but you're watching tim brown. I don't dare you I don't know why jerry rice crazy of all time. I don't know why somebody else I don't know why I picked tim brown and I thought that for a little while until I was in I think I was in seventh grade and I begged my mom and they never want to let me play tackle football Because they're like it's gonna you're gonna hurt your brain or whatever, but I begged them and they finally let me play Tackle football and I went to a grand total of two practices and I said no No, I'm not doing this shit. You weren't into it. No, man Oh, my first tackle practice. I fucking loved it. Of course you did because you're The best here's why I didn't like it. I'll tell you why right now This is the one reason why I didn't do it. It wasn't put because of the training It wasn't the fucking pads or the tackling In fact that we didn't even tackle each other yet because it was we just started It was because I could not fucking stand someone yelling at me telling me what to do I'm such an I hate that to this day. If you fucking tell me what to do I want to punch you in the face. Well, here's this coach. I navigate these coaches, man I I I mastered this process to where coaches never even talk to me Like I I did my own thing. They just trusted that I would do my job my responsibility Even a young even really young wow, dude, but that was like I I established that very early. I was like, look, I got this and I would kept telling the coach. I got this I got this. No, I fucking hated it, man. You know, that's the only thing I've ever quit in my entire life What football really only thing I've ever quit in my entire life. I played popcorn or football And I was uh, they put me at defensive end. You got lit up. I got fucked up, bro I mean, I was like literally like 98 pounds wet, dude Yeah, and they and I'm the tight end across from me was like double my way I know it's not done to double my because in pop order you have weight classes, right? So I'm exaggerating No, I think it's just age when you're no, no, no, you have pop order football has age and weight classes So you were probably a lanky 98. Yeah, exactly. And he was just I mean he and he had he still had good weight on me He probably still had 15 20 pounds on me and I just it was not a position for me I just literally play after play was getting fucked up and the same experience coaches just yelling screaming And I'm like dude, what to do, you know, like this is my first year playing football And I'm just getting beat up every play whistle goes bam on my ass whistle goes bam on my ass and then getting yelled at I'm like, why am I doing this? This is this is all the fun my friends were talking about like this is not fun for me at all Punished, you know, I feel like when you're when you're and that was like such a bad age for me to get Like I would wish I had the frame the size that I have now and I love the sport of football Like everybody thinks that I played football when they see me And I'm like no if you only saw what I looked like when I was a kid You wouldn't think I played football at all. It's funny that like how coaches how they can be so effective or so ineffective It's so fun like like my my son's on a volleyball team for a school And yesterday they played their third game. They're three and oh and they're three and oh They're yeah, they're three and fucking oh and here's why it's crazy Because the other teams so far have all been bigger and stronger and they hit the ball harder And on my son's team is, you know, my son and some of his legal robotics teammates So you can picture these kids, right? They're all like those kind of athletes. Yeah, no But because they all have trained and practiced together with legal robotics like so hard They've got like this group Flow thing going on and so when you watch them play so yesterday They're playing this other team and this other team is fucking twice their size And this other team is just blasting the the ball, you know over the net and Little by little my son's team is playing so organized like a team like One like they know what to do like they're all in unison And they started breaking down the other team and the other time the other team Literally fell apart like as soon as they started losing You could tell they were all like scattered didn't know what to do And my son's team was like this like this fucking little well well oiled machine and i'm watching them I'm just like oh my god, that's so great Lots of grace, you know that totally reminds me of when we played basketball because we were a bunch of like smaller You know white kids that we would go and play like all over the place and we would win Based off of fundamentals and teamwork. That was it when you're a coach that was so my uncle the one we're going to meet this friday He is like way too fanatic like when he comes to football right played all all through high school college he's coached for a really long time and he is So into like the chess match of playing and he loves to take young kids And like drill in fundamentals and he just destroys leagues like they go like every season they go I think there's in all the seasons he's lost like a handful of times And and he's and the coaches fucking hate him because my uncle will do like the same play over and over and over until like They figured out then they figure that out and see and all these other coaches try and get fancy and teach all this other stuff He's like no at this age You teach them like three or five things and you teach them how to do it really well and they just well That's that's honk all these. That's like dala cell. Yeah, like that's why they've had like the most champions at anybody for high school Football is because they've mastered like a few plays But they they bring in kids that are like super talented. So they have that, you know aspect I've read their book their book and they're the movie is fucking well I'm telling you like the coach on my son's team. She's she's great. She's good But really what's doing it is I know that these kids have all worked together For the last two years competing in this lego robotics tournament and being such close friends all of them That when they get on there, they're all just they know each other And so when you watch them play you can see them just systematically without really don't even know what they're doing They don't realize it because they're so young But they're like, you know because here's what kids do This is what the other team would do when the ball would come over Two kids would go for the same ball and they'd fuck up Or it would come over and then they'd both wouldn't go because they'd wait for the other kid Meanwhile my son's team you'd see these kids You know like I got it and they'd hit it and then boom they set it up and then they'd hit it over and it was like So organized. I'm like holy fuck. They're totally breaking this other team down And they they they were behind in the first Game and they started coming back and you could see the other teams start to break down But it was too late. They lost they were behind by too much But that but by that point I could see psychologically what was happening and I was telling Uh, I was telling jessica. I'm like watch this. I said the other teams starting to break down I can tell and sure enough second game it was close, but we won third game We fucking destroyed them like we dumb. They just all fell apart. That's great And it's great watching these parents like kuma like get all frustrated with their with their fucking athletic kids And you know i'm sitting over there like when you see a good good coach at young age is really cool I thought Doug bring on the fucking bird Today's quas being brought to you by chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash Put the chimera link at mind pump media.com and input the discount code Mind pump a check out for 10 off. It's the motherfucking quaw The eagle has landed First up is a more fatty More a more fatty I love the fatty So This person is asking why no barbell snatches in the programming the maps programming. There are cleans in maps green Well, first I want to be clear. We are huge fans of the snatch So, uh, we just want people to know that as long as it's clean. Exactly. Um, no, you know what here's All right. Yeah, sorry. Let me had to make a joke. Yeah after here's the thing Taking us to the gutter a snatch is we talked about this though We did something we discussed. Well, let's be honest. There aren't cleans prescribed in maps clean. No map screen. They're clean They're there are high pulls and and this was like a very purposeful why we did that because um, you know, it's a very complex set of uh, you know set of uh, uh, operations and skills that you need to accomplish before Uh, you know really being able to master this type of a movement properly and having You know all these things in place ahead of time. We're just trying to get to that expression of power. So, um, you know Clean's being the next progression from the high pull. Uh, you know, it's something that I I definitely like, uh, You know as an athlete like that's something that you know, I definitely promote as far as like having a That kind of a response is very beneficial. We debated this. We actually debated this when we made maps performance And I'll tell you what if you're very proficient At cleans or snatches and you want to switch out high pulls for those you can But the reason why we didn't put in the programming is Clean's uh are highly highly technical and snatches are fucking five times as technical more like That's probably the most technical barbell movement you can do and we're not about to put An extremely technical exercise in a program that we're going to promote to most people And we knew that most people have either a never done a snatch or b They do them wrong. Well, they don't have the shoulder mobility to even do that And they're not going to get the power out of it They're not going to get the benefit from it because they don't know how to do it right This is where you know all the programs and this is why and there is definitely a major reason why we did We did we talked a lot about this But you know, I think what made and I remember I remember at first I remember Justin like was like man, that's such a that's a such a major movement We got a program it in there and we're all like dude, but we all know How technical it is. Yeah where we see it going is We're giving you this, you know performance program, which is really the foundation for all sports and any like athletic performance pursuit And then on top of that you can build modifications So like I I foresee when when we're when this business is all squared away and we've got the app done And we've got all programs released out and all everything we have a staff and everything's going Which is we're heading that direction will be there very soon I think we'll go back and we'll start getting really specific for like specific sports I foresee us, you know, okay these movements for football these movements for soccer These movements for whatever and then here's that here's some movements that we didn't put in performance That this is how we would modify and add it in there If you're somebody already who like, you know Sal was saying if you're already somebody who's proficient at snatches or cleans like by all means This is where you can incorporate it. But we just don't think that's something that we would recommend to the person Who's going through map screen the first now I have a bit of a an issue too because I feel like the overhead snatch In any kind of Olympic lifting exercise is That's a sport by itself. And that's something that you You have to have like dedicated years towards Achieving these movements to get them to what they should look like and so For just to throw it into a workout You know as like, you know, some other programs i.e. CrossFit i.e. You know any other kind of like high intensity type of a workout program that somebody's created Just to throw it in there because it's it's exhaustive. It's an exhaustive move that You know stupid. Yeah, it's it's really stupid And it's it's something that I feel like I guess I'm I'm passionate about it because I feel like a lot of coaches are just Um Naive they're naive to throw it in there like that. It's a fucking technical movement with more risk. Well, they're just irresponsible with it It's more risk than reward. There's plenty of movements that we can do That can replace that movement now not individually like it not one movement is going to trump that snatch or clean But there's a lot of other movements like the overhead press and the high pulls and things that we can do that are Much safer easier to get the mechanics down going to get tons of the tons of similar benefits But yeah, if you want to progress to that that's like a like Justin said a whole program itself Which we've also talked about that is like And we wouldn't write that until we aligned with someone who we think is like one of the best world-renowned Yeah coach for that Olympic lifting coach that we go through a whole Olympic lifting routine, you know Yeah, I mean the bottom line is when when you're doing a program You have particular goals and there is a phase within maps performance where we're focusing on power The ability to generate force within a you know in a very short period of time and maximal force, right? So we're trying to build as much power as possible You have to look at the risk versus reward of each exercise The reward being how much will this contribute to power the risk being How long will it take to learn this and or the the risk of injury? Because of the technicality of the movement and a snatch is very very high risk And if you compare the risk to reward, it's not very good In fact, there's very few people that I would ever program a snatch into the routine very few people The ones that I would use a snatch to it with are Olympic lifters because they have to learn how to snatch People who compete in events that involve snatches So if you do crossfit events and there is a snatch event, you should definitely practice snatches Or number three somebody who's got all the time in the world who really just likes to learn new techniques and wants to learn New functional movements and doesn't mind Doing snatches with a broomstick for a long ass time before progressing to 20 pounds and then 40 pounds and then So on then I would program them in but 99 of the people who are working out and doing maps performance to improve their Athletic performance. I would say no. I wouldn't do I wouldn't put a snatch in there. You're going to get just as much power generation from a far less technical movement like I'll tell you what a A kettlebell swing is also very very technical But it's not nearly as technical or hard to teach as a clean Still hard to teach but just not as hard Can you get the same hip drive and power? From a kettlebell swing that you can you can from a clean you can But it's still safer. It's still safe. Yeah, any any kind of a kettlebell movement is going to be safer than a barbell movement That you're going to throw over your head and that's just the bottom line. You debate that all day long It's it's it's not debatable. It's it's irresponsible for coaches to program this into an athlete's program If they're not an olympic lifter bottom line and that being said that doesn't mean that You know, that's a it's a movement that all of us actually practice and do you do quite frequently inside the gym It's just not something that we recommend to the yeah, but how do you practice it? Let's be honest You're not doing it to work out. No, no, it's yeah. No, exactly It'll be a lightweight and I'm just working on mechanics. So and it's I I've done hang cleans as a workout And when I work out with hang cleans and at one point I was practicing them Pretty frequently like two or three days a week and I took me like seven months to really And I I didn't go above a 135 with a hang clean and this was after like like eight months of practice I'm like dedicated practice and even at 135 I found that I I could tell that I wasn't like as as good as I could be and I noticed certain like nagging Areas that way and that's the thing like I know like exactly I know like going through through uh power cleans myself like how like if you haven't been Doing this movement like frequently how Quickly you lose it and you lose the ability to perform it properly And so it just it takes a lot of volume for you to get to uh, you know a level where you're proficient in it I don't think we can communicate this clearly. Yeah, it's hard to clear it left like let me put it to this way We talk about how complicated and you know complex and technical a squat. It's just a barbell squat barbell squat Of all the traditional slow type Barbell movements, I would say a barbell squat's probably the most technical Okay part barbell squat deadlift both very technical the squat may be being a little bit more technical If I if the technical if it was a if it was a 10 in terms of It's how hard it was to teach and learn and how much time it took to learn how to do a barbell squat And it was a 10 you can pretty much say a clean is a hundred and a snatch is 200 That's literally the difference like it is so much more complex So when I see people working out with cleans and snatches, especially in timed routines I want to take my I want to rip my eyeballs out. Well, yeah, I just cringe Well, you have inside you just have it just you don't really have any business doing it until you perfect the the foundational ones Until you've got a squat a deadlift an overhead press with like beautiful mechanics like you mastered them Yeah, like it doesn't it unless you like you like you said there's a sport specific reason that like you it requires you to learn this movement Do you put that just because the risk versus reward it's not and and the risk versus benefit You got to think about it this way these movements were invented Because the goal of Olympic lifting was to the original goal of Olympic lifting was Get this barbell to my shoulders. Let's see you can lift the most weight to my shoulders And over time the smartest lifters Developed this highly efficient technique to do so So it was a technique designed around a goal. It was not a technique designed to make you more powerful or stronger Whereas a squat is I want to get my legs stronger put the bar on my back And do it it's it's no different than when you look at like a high jump when someone jumps over a bar And you look at the weird way that they jump head first and do this weird technique It's not because they're trying to learn how to jump as high as they can and get that explosive jump It's because at some point over time There was an athlete that figured out this really highly efficient fishing technique and then you just became good at the technique So that's what cleans and snatches are it's not necessarily that's what they were invented It's how can I get this weight to my shoulders? As efficiently as possible and then perfect that particular technique Dusklam King bin How do we prevent our lats from being over engaged while doing a military press I feel instant relief in my back when I rewrack the bar and my friend has similar problem But he feels a lot more in his traps Before we answer this I want to remind people we still have 30 days of coaching available at mind pump media dot com for free So with this particular question here He's feeling like his lats are over engaged and he's getting Relief in his back when he rewracks the bar. I would debate whether he's feeling actual tightness in his lats Uh because the lats are actually countering the overhead movement if his lats were engaging While he was pressing up too hard his bar wouldn't move. Yeah Well, I think what he feels is that he's probably got a little bit excessive forward shoulder And so he's so tight that when he puts the bar in the military press position He's struck his he's just having to squeeze his back so hard to pull the scapula back because this is me Like I remember feeling this way. This is why did you feel in your lats though or your mid back because I the lats don't really Well, that's I think that's what he's just I mean because you're I think I don't think that's I'm saying I don't think it's that's probably more rhomboids that he feels either rhomboids or like his actual Erector spin a muscles and but you'll stabilize when you when you're when you're actually fighting to pull back like that Maybe the rhomboids at first or what are overworking? But then as you start to decelerate down you'll feel a lot and you'll feel a lot of the weight form is just off Yeah stabilizing so This is going to decelerate the load. That's not going to be active in in you know the concentric portion Well, yeah, but what what's happening is this there's it this is so close to home for me This is exactly how I used to feel so I felt like this a lot and it was just because I didn't have the shoulder mobility I didn't have the proper shoulder mobility. So for me to have the proper mechanics I felt all those other stabilizer muscles having to work so much to keep my mechanics correct like so You this is where prime is money for someone like this like taking yourself through All like the the shoulder mobility moves before you go into like your military press Uh should help this out a lot. I mean the bottom line is that the the back and the traps These are these are muscles that are you know your antagonist muscles to this movement So it's it's common that you feel it But if you feel it more than you feel it in your shoulders It's probably a lack of mobility and then you're over compensating with each other I mean, let's be clear the backs very involved with the good overhead press traps or are directly involved traps have to especially the upper traps They have to stabilize the scapula because uh, they're fighting those downward forces The lats aren't necessarily unless you're engaging them Because you've got such poor like adam said poor Mobility in your shoulders. Here's an easy fix if that's really where you feel it Hang on a bar for you know 20 seconds literally just relax and hang on the bar Feel your lat stretch get your shoulders in that overhead position Um, then uh, do some band pull apart so you can activate your mid back Then do a military press and see if you still feel the same way. It's very very I mean if this is really what's happening that should help out a lot that should help out quite a bit And just by doing what sal saying right now prime that shoulder retraction because it may you may not go from like You know feeling it this way to all of a sudden perfect after you do that one time from sal But you should feel a instant relief or you should feel it more in your shoulders right after the first time You do what sal just said based off of what you're describing If you and if that's the case then diving deeper into like all the prime movements and things that we talk about going into these exercises Is only going to benefit even more so if you actually spend Some good time on all your shoulder mobility exercises before you go into actually lifting with your shoulders You should notice a major difference and don't feel don't be afraid to go Very light. Yes like lighter than you the bar was all I was pressing when this was my issue This was my issue and I was literally just perfecting your form. Yes. I was the 45 pound bar I was that's all I was doing and I'm paying I was paying attention to my spine the entire time because And god, I was just walked last night. I was at the gym and I was packed which by the way He might not even know that wasn't that long ago. You did that. No, no It was like a year ago. Yeah, there's video if you go far enough back on my instagram You'll see me posting videos of it. You know see me posting videos and talking about I remember when I like Started adding and I was just adding 10 pounds like each time until I finally felt really comfortable with You know 135 pounds controlling it keeping myself in a good neutral spine as I press so You know, this is something that you it should take time And but you should see good progression if you actually regress all the way back To super lightweight pay attention to your mechanics and then keep going and if you're not like, you know This is also a lot of why we started mind pump tv So if you're not subscribed to the youtube channel, you know, we address a lot of things like this On there and they you know dug is split it up in different playlists So if you want specific things related to the shoulder or related to the back, you know Go through those subscribe to those videos we drop them every day go through and start You know using those tools if you don't own prime if you own prime that should handle all this shit I mean, that's why we created it. But if you don't, you know, we've provided a lot of free tools for people Like the mind pump tv. So take advantage of that Fairyland is asking as a parent with children. How do you explain fasting and food tracking? With a world being so image conscious Even explaining that it is for health purposes. Can it still be dangerous on young impressionable minds? Well, number one. I don't explain fasting. Yeah, it's a little kids. I explain that it's okay to not eat if they're full Uh, or you know, if they're full and they don't want to eat anymore. I don't say fasting I think if if I sat down with a kid and I said, you know, my kids and I said, hey We're not going to eat until dinner tonight because fast It's 12 o'clock. We have to feel like you dad I'm even hungry. Not only that not only that but a kid is going to they're probably going to interpret that as Uh, what's the word like I'm like I'm like I'm you're gonna get child services knocking on your door Like I'm taking something away from them and then they get to eat when they finally do get to eat That could you know, that could promote kind of a bad Uh food relationship as far as food tracking is I don't do that either. I don't I don't tell my kids like Okay, how many calories or you know, how many grams of protein? I what I do say though is I do tell them what's in their food So I will say, you know, this is salmon Salmon is high in protein protein does this. It's also high in fats Fats do this for you. Um, and there's a special kind of fat and salmon called omega threes and this is why they're really good for you And that's why when you taste salmon and I explained why it tastes a certain way why it's a certain color You know, I just I just did this the other day with my daughter. Um, we were uh over my mom's house And she uses a Himalayan pink salt. So do we and so I Actually brought out some iodized like pure white, you know table salt and I showed her the difference And might we've been using Himalayan salts for so long that you know, it was I showed her and she was like, oh Yeah, I saw salts can be really white too. I said, do you know why this one's pink? Because she said no I said well, there's different mineral composition in this and so it just opens Opens up a conversation and what you know, I'll tell them what they do for them And then you end up finding that your kids Kind of make some some decisions and choices based on the information That they were given And I also of course I limit their options. I don't let them know that I've limited their options You know, it's not like I tell them like you can only eat these foods. It's like, hey dad. I'm hungry What do we have to snack on? Uh, you can have an apple a piece of cheese or sardines You know take your pick It's only you know if I don't give them any options and they're they're the ones making the choice And it's just the options that it's interesting because uh, my oldest he's He's found food labels and so like that's his favorite thing to do now is to just take a food And then he reads the back of it and he wants to tell me everything that's in it Oh, that's cool. And he just like totally did that on his own And so that that's another thing it sparks a conversation, you know, like what are the macronutrients, you know, what are You know, like all these types of different foods and what kind of nutrients you get from these foods and So it really I just try and create the dialogue for it of like, um, you know, why You know, my mommy and daddy choose these types of food and why we're eating this, you know In combination together and all this I'm not saying like, you know, I'm not condemning, you know, like I just I don't want to get them fixated on these numbers and and that's something that I was like kind of like trying to Weave in and out of with him like it's great to have an understanding of these things And to see it on the label. But I mean for the most part mommy and daddy don't eat a lot of foods with labels on it So well, I think that I I picked this question because I knew it would be a little bit challenging for a couple reasons One I knew would be challenging for us because I knew that you two didn't track or tell your kids about fasting I knew that So and then I then you've got someone like me who does both fasting and tracking his food even though I'm not right now Uh, and you know, I and then I don't have kids So I haven't had to have this conversation But if I had to have this conversation because it's you know, what would I do if you know? Because you know dad competes, you know, what if I was competing and I was Measuring and weighing my food and my kids saw me doing that I think I would explain what I was doing that, you know, dad's in a sport, you know I'm getting ready for something It's very easy to miscalculate or to overeat food and for my goals and what I'm trying to do right now I'm trying to be as precise as possible. So I think just sharing With my kid if I had one while I was doing that I would just explain to them what I'm doing, but I would not try and impose that on them I would allow them to ask me Like well, you know, can I do that or should I do that? And and even if they ask I would tell them that they would don't need to do that But if that's something they want to do I could teach them and help see that's the perfect approach because there's there's like this this line that we walk as parents and You know, you want to make sure first of all don't make it such a big fucking deal And what I mean by that is like I'll give you an example, you know, European kids Binge drink at far at a far lower rate than American kids do this is a fact that you look at statistics you'll find that Especially in the countries in Europe Where wine is served at the dinner table and kids Are allowed to taste wine and try wine and they start having a little bit of wine at the age of 13 and 14 and They binge drink at much lower rates because It's not that big fucking big of a fucking deal and they're not taught that it's like this This, you know taboo like secret thing that and if you treat food like that with your kids You may you may actually cause the opposite to happen, you know So, you know talk to them about like Adam was saying like it's like well Well, this is why I eat this way and these are my goals and you know, it's part of what I do And here's the consequences of it and here's the positives of it You know, they're not they're not just because they're kids doesn't mean they're stupid You know what I mean like You kind of let them make some of those decisions themselves and treat them a little bit like adults sometimes You'd be surprised I think the question and the reason why people and I think it's a very good question because I think you know as As parents you've got to be concerned like with all the shit that's at school And you know, I don't know your kids go to other friends house and they're you know Their family may have all kinds of boxed shit that they're getting fed and things like that And then they come home and then you know, you're a parent that's you know Health conscious or you're at least trying to be health conscious and you're trying to think okay I need to teach my kid these things that I'm learning how what's the proper way to do that And I think that's why we when we talk about fasting You know fasting is is an advanced tool Uh and I think since we've been talking about it for a couple years now I feel like I've seen you know two sides here I see I see a really good side of people that are applying it intermittently into their routine and and Listening to their body. Yeah, and and they're doing it for health purposes And then I see the other side of people that you know use it as like a weight management strategy And not to say that that's bad or wrong I just don't think that's ideal and that the reason why I don't think it's ideal is for a situation Just like this because then all of a sudden that becomes convoluted when you're trying to teach a kid Well, dude back back in the day Not eating to lose weight was called a food. It was a it was a eating disorder And if you went too long was called anorexia now that we have Studies showing the benefits of fasting You've got people who've got that similar mentality who are now saying like it's fasting You know, no, it's you not eating because you want to lose weight So you decided not to eat but now that fastings got some some you know purported health benefits and some study supporting it You feel justified with your bad relationship with with food and I think that's what adam's talking about like Don't fast to lose weight fast because of the the health benefits Um Is weight loss a side effect many times sure It definitely is and I think there's a difference too. Like, you know with with food tracking like how Okay, so if I'm in the grocery store and we're looking at food labels and we're we're reading about You know the ingredients and the nutrients involved with each food, you know, I I love that I want my kids to to learn all those things and and understand on a deeper level like what each food is providing But I'm not fixated on like I'm I'm fitting this into this meal and you know, like I'm I'm adding all these numbers in together to To complete my day for the meal for all that. That's just I mean, that's unnecessary for them to learn at that certain stages I think later on in life, like, you know, that's something that you know, they'll grow into that sort of understanding kids naturally fast I mean you talk to any parent and there's one meal that they have to force their kid to eat usually Maybe not every day But don't force them. I mean if if I give my kids breakfast and I'm giving them good choices And I notice that my kid eats a tiny amount and they don't want any more and I'll ask them Why aren't you eating the rest of your breakfast? I don't want it. You don't feel like eating it. No, that's fine Like they'll kind of naturally do that sometimes and I'm not some chickens. They'll eat the leftovers Well, do you know that that whole, you know era of, you know, finish your plate Is so crazy because it's such an old thing that you had to do when there was like a scarcity of food Right and now it's like and so many parents because they were taught by their parents That is the root of food problem nowadays It is and so you you start off We have too much food Telling kids to do they have to have to have to and then you create that mentality then now they have all these crazy Terrible options at their disposal all the time. So now you create this, you know overeating where it's like Don't be afraid to if they're not hungry to not feed them like it's crazy. Just what in a couple hours They're gonna tell you also think about this there's your two jobs as a parent when it comes to food There's two jobs number one Provide them with food that's going to nourish Their body that's going to make them feel good and be healthy But number two your other job, which is Equally as important. It's just as important. There isn't one isn't more important the other The second part is your job is to is to provide an environment where your child will become an adult with a good relationship to food because at some point that kid ain't gonna live with you and They are gonna make those decisions for themselves and i'm telling you what there's a reason why kids go off to college and gain 15 pounds The first year it's because mom and dad are not controlling their food They didn't develop a good relationship to food They go off on their own and they eat horrible and that contributes to this obesity epidemic with adults And i've known many people who oh my god, my parents are so strict with my food and made me and now they're Overway and they eat horribly because they never developed that for themselves So those are two things you need to keep in mind Yes, you need to feed your kids to to give them you know to nourish them to give them the nutrients They need to sort of give them good food choices and that's going to contribute to the how they eat later on as well But number two don't do it in a way where you're gonna you're gonna You know create you know bad food food relationship with your kids because at some point they're gone And then what are you gonna do you can't control them at that point so With that listened go to youtube we post a new video every single day mind pump tv It's the best fitness channel on earth You can also go to mind pump media dot com check out our 30 days of coaching It's still free lastly go to go to instagram If you want to ask us questions that we can answer in these q&a episodes You go to instagram and find us at mind pump radio You can find my personal page at mind pump sal adam is at mind pump adam and justin's at mind pump justin Thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body Dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance Check out our discounted rgb super bundle at mind pump media dot com The rgb super bundle includes maps anabolic mass performance and maps aesthetic nine months of phased expert exercise Programming designed by sal adam and justin to systematically transform the way your body looks feels and performs With detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos The rgb super bundle is like having sal adam and justin as your own personal trainers But at a fraction of the price the rgb super bundle has a full 30 day money back guarantee And you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at mind pump media dot com If you enjoy this show Please share the love by leaving us a five star rating and review on itunes And by introducing mind pump to your friends and family We thank you for your support and until next time this is mind pump