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So today, instead, we're having a very impromptu discussion about Brexit, the impact of that on UK open data policy and open data more generally. So we invite you to join us in that discussion. Please be as open as you wish and as you are comfortable to do so. The ODI has published a blog which should have gone out at one o'clock today around its statement, around the Brexit result, the referendum result, sorry. And you are welcome to have a look at that for some further context. And my colleague Peter will be going into more detail. My name is Rachel Leitch. I work here at the ODI. I'm head of the network team. Peter. Hi, and I'm Peter Wells. I work in the policy team at the Open Data Institute. Thank you for joining us. So I'm a nice surprise for everybody, hopefully. But we do have some questions that have already been inputted through Twitter and through our team and our wider network in the UK and around the world. We have a network here at the ODI of nodes, international and regional franchises, and also our membership network is global. So we've got some input from them already. And I'm going to kick off to Peter for a question from one of our external attendees in the room today. And that is, there was talk of an emergency budget. Will the UK government data programme see its budget cut? A simple answer is we don't know. The things are uncertain. As people may say, I've been stinging stingway the old British televisions show around the office. Anything can happen in the next 30 minutes has already been. Lots of changes happening and people making rapid decisions does continue to do so. I'd expect that over the next few days we'll see some clarity about whether that commitment slash threat of making an emergency budget will be carried through. I think we'll be after that, we'll start to see what's happening. Against that, if the markets are affected by some of the recession in past kicking, it could actually be an alternative because we see a commitment to actually grow things and invest to actually create new opportunities and growth. So those things will come through. The government's obviously been working on a digital strategy as well, which was G3 published in a few weeks' time, maybe that'll be a month or so, it's time for your nose. I'm sure that digital strategy will give us a bit more clarity about what's going on if no emergency budget happens. OK, thank you Peter. I should point out by the way, if anyone else wants to join us on the panel, you are very welcome to do so. You will be on the video but please feel free to duck in as you wish. Did anyone in the room want to chip in with a question at this point? I can ask a question. My question is, I think, is you just mentioned a digital strategy. Which kind of a digital strategy if the country is so divided? If the election showed to you that the UK has no strategy. Now, the question of going to the digital is worse. How then do you expect if there is no strategy that the economy of the UK will grow? On the other side, in Europe, at least they have a strategy. At least they have a smart strategy specialisation of how to allocate for different countries, for different regions, the families. Now, even this one is missing. So where is going to go UK without strategy? Thank you. Good question. So I think that even, yes, the UK is clearly divided. I think the final results were roughly 52%, 48%. That varies in different regions. Scotland, Northern Ireland, one way Wales, another way Cornwall voting leading towards exit. London leading towards remain. Myself, my home towns in the north, they voted towards exit. Even despite that divide, there is still a strategy that can be developed. So there needs to be continued progress needs to happen. Things will still continue to be built. Things will continue to be grown. The country doesn't stop while we work out how to bring ourselves back together. We carry on forward as we do that. I think there is a real question around the EU's impact on that strategy and that negotiation. We don't negotiate one-way only. It's a two-way negotiation. The EU's got to saying this as well as the UK. Often that's forgotten in those things. What that's going to mean is going to be interesting to see what happens. So as those things work through, I think we're going to see more of that. It may be that we see a short-term digital strategy, one that you may be seeing through to. So David Cameron has announced today he is resigning. He wants a leadership process for a new Conservative leader who, unless other events happen, becomes the Prime Minister. He wants that to happen over the next few months. That political dimension there, whether that new leader wants to put their stamp on the digital strategy, whether that may be wants to put their stamp on the strategy. Just a period of uncertainty. It just might mean that it's a very short-term strategy with some general guiding principles. So how do you see data in framework of strategy now? Sorry, can I repeat the question? Data. So how do we see data? So what we're certainly seeing is we can expect, given the economic predictions that were being made about the impact of Brexit on the UK's economy, and that's certainly going through at the moment with the initial reactions from the market. Obviously that's initial reactions, markets they shift around, they fluctuate. So you can certainly see that there's going to be a need to focus both on public sector efficiency and on economic growth to counterbalance those impacts. We've always seen that data is something which can help with both of those aspects. Openness is necessary. Openness helps people work across boundaries. That's why our piece that went up today was called Data Knows No Boundaries. We're from the web. The web knows no boundaries. The web knocks boundaries down. It's what it's done for the last 25 years. It's going to knock a few more down. This is maybe just another boundary that will get knocked down. But in that strategy to counterbalance the economic impacts of the recession, the potential recession, the things that were already happening in the country, data plays a really vital part, and openness is a really vital part of that data strategy. That's our opinion. What do you think? I don't think, I mean, my opinion is that the European Union has got a strategy. It has already allocated funds for all the regions of the UK, including England. Now in this strategy here, this means what you need is actually data. That's what I'm working on. There is no really unified database or open data, you can say, with analytical tools and with a policy. Recently I know that the UK government has allocated a head quote on smart strategy specialisation in the UK to see who is doing what and where is doing what in order that you can start to bring, let's say, to generate investment ideas, anything related once you know where to go. It's going to be tough. I think, Peter, the question you can't see behind you and that's on the wall for those in the room and for those on Twitter is from ODI in Leeds, who I know are live streaming the lecture in their room. I've got a lovely picture of them enjoying that in Leeds. The question from them is will open data be closed for business now? I think you've partly touched on that already, but you may wish to reiterate on that point. I wouldn't expect that that would seem a strange outcome given what's going on. The UK government has been a world leader in open data. It's number one on one of the measures. It's number two in one of the other, the tables that are done. The UK government has been seeing those benefits. It's seen those benefits still. Even recently we've placed it like that for environment agency, food standards agency, opening up more data and seeing more benefits because of that. It would seem strange to completely reverse that path and make it closed for business. There's going to be short term challenges. It would seem a strange decision given how much UK government has been getting out of open data to stop doing that. Again, if there's different opinions, speak up because debate is good. We had another government this discussion in four years. Sorry, this is not strategy, this is policy. When you say digital strategy, this means a strategy developed by the data. That's completely different. Everybody has strategies, but the problem is to have a strategy developed by the data. This is what UK government is trying to do now, at least they started. It's different, otherwise it's the same type of approach, policy. I want this, it's a consultation phase, but it's not really based on knowledge on the data. This is my problem. Is there anybody else in the room who would like to ask a question or contribute an opinion at this point? Please. If you don't mind introducing yourselves, if you would like to, then you're welcome to do so. This seems to be a characteristic of what we've done with the Brexit debate, where the expert was looked upon in it with a different light than historically. Now, it does open data and the education of people to understand data, data literacy, and really have a plan to play that enables people to make more informed decisions where there has been no clear baseline of what really the situation is. I'm not saying it's a failure of open data, but I think it's not something from a data literacy perspective we need to think about more broadly. Absolutely. I think the referendum was certainly both sides made statements that nobody believed. One side was warned by the statistics authority, the other side was certainly using it, and then there was different misleading statements, and that kind of damaged the debate. It was kind of unhealthy. There's something there to learn of the push the UK has been making towards getting more data available and saying that this data can help you making more informed decisions. Why hasn't that cut through? Even despite the work of organisations like ourselves, or physical society, full facts with the work they've been doing again to bring clarity to those debates. I was looking at that a little bit this morning and thinking about it. Politics is inherently its head and heart. Politics is inherently emotional as well as logical. It's inherently human. That's really good. We shouldn't just be making things purely with our heads. It's got to be our heart as well. But if we're not getting those messages through, if we're still finding that statements are being made that do not link through to data and people are comfortable with that, then it's how do we change that expectation? How do we increase that literacy so we get to a point where people are saying, how can I prove that fact? Or can I prove it? But then we're going to find another layer where people say, nothing can actually be proven. Because it's always conflicting claims, but that data literacy is going to... I've still got hopes that data literacy is going to get there. But we have to expect, except it's always going to be head and heart. I think that's probably a good thing. And a related question, Peter, from one of our members. Not around data literacy, but in this case data protection. What do you think Brexit means for data protection laws in the UK? And whilst Peter's thinking about that, if anyone else would like to contribute, you're very welcome to do so. So the EU has just... A few months ago, the EU passed the approved and signed off on the general data protection legislation. So the GDPR regulations, so the GDPR, which is actually breaking new ground across the world for some of the data protection regulations, the way it's putting citizens in control of their data and building more protections there for citizens. The GDPR has also got a really interesting facet that it's extra. So it's designed to affect if you are delivering services to EU citizens, then the GDPR applies to your company and your business and the way that they do your business or your government and the way data has been looked after like that. I think in the UK, as a UK citizen, most of the services I receive will also be being done by the EU. I think that's a good thing. Now, as a UK citizen, most of the services I receive will also be being delivered to EU citizens. Therefore, they're probably going to be GDPR-compliant anyway. As a British business who's looking to grow a market and probably building something that can be used by EU citizens. So we're probably going to find they have to be GDPR-compliant. And then with the things like data localisation and free-flow data and what we've seen around the privacy shields, and some of the, if that goes around the movement of data between the EU and the US and back and forth on a safe hub and privacy shield, I suspect we'd find in the negotiations that EU would be saying maybe you should just be compliant with this bit of, put something in place which is equivalent to this legislation, bunch of the equivalent. So I suspect we'll find the UK outside the EU looking to apply something very similar to if not the same as GDPR and most businesses and services are likely to be similar as well. So that's one. And hopefully Stephen on Twitter, that answers your question. But if not, please feel free to come back with the hashtag ODI Fridays and we can continue that discussion. Did anyone in the room want to ask anything? In which case we'll move on to Kyle in Leeds, he's posted on Twitter. Many people believe Brexit is likely to, sorry, it will reduce London's and the UK's standing in the digital economy. Is that a likely outcome? Yes. And also it's a great opportunity for Leeds to further increase its already great standing in the digital economy, which I know will hopefully be getting a big share in ODI Leeds. You wouldn't actually expect it to. If nothing else in the short term, there's a message that some people are thinking that they are here in the UK and from London, that's going to affect people's decision whether they choose to move to London and start a business here or whether they choose to stay here. So that will certainly be affecting things. And there's another facet I think actually on a London regional basis of maybe, again, some people think about why the nation is so divided and why we've got these different perceptions and digital strategies as well is so much of the benefits of being in the EU. I don't mean the actual funding coming back from the EU but the economic growth that the UK's had over the last 40-odd years have come to London rather than being spread more equally around the UK and maybe that's something, again, we'll start to see over the next few years as things unpick themselves on people and politicians and the political establishment work out what's gone on and why. So I think that could be interesting. So I think there's actually an opportunity there I think for a bit more equivalence across the UK. How good does that happen? As a Northlander? A proud Northlander. As a very proud Northlander. Anyone like to add to that? I'm going to keep asking. Please don't feel that you need to or are obliged to do so. So Tim, again through Twitter, he's not told us where he is but he would like to ask what data sharing agreements does the UK have with the EU and how might they be affected by the result? The honest question, I don't know and I don't think we know because data sharing agreements aren't easy to pass and find. It's one of the things we actually put back to the UK government in a recent consultation on better use of data which is mostly about data sharing within the UK government. There was no list of data sharing gateways in place and making that list open will actually be a good way again of helping with the negotiations, helping people to understand impacts on what could be impacted or not impacted but we need a bit more openness and transparency on what those things are. At the moment, I just don't know. Do you think that's something the ODI is likely to take a strong standpoint on in the future? That's interesting. We actually didn't put it in today's thing. It's possibly something we should be looking at a bit more as then again that would help. It would help citizens and businesses negotiate through this tricky period and understand why they need to lobby in some cases to keep things in place and say please don't miss that out in these negotiations. It's a really good question. Thank you for that point, Tim. We'll certainly build that into the blogs and policy points we're putting out for future. A really good question from Bec on Twitter who says if the ODI could have a seat in the EU, UK, exit negotiations, what one thing would it negotiate for? I think we'd have to create a Google Doc and look for suggestions. We love a Google Doc. Because that's kind of where we'd start. I'd write in the Lego, more Lego. Because I tend to start off with a frivolous suggestion, but we'd go out and we'd debate and discuss on that and discuss that with our network and the network of the notes and the members of ourselves and see what people think is one of those things that should be in there. I think that's a really good question. But suggestions from round the room. To put to the room. Silly, wacky suggestions, very welcome, sensible ones just as welcome, of course. What would you guys like to see negotiated for as a negotiator? Let's go forward. Did you want to? I'd better not say. Better not to say. I would suggest, let's say, issue of economics and migrants is faced this problem with data. Because you can do it now. This means you have the data. Then you see real what they say, the data bring to that, let's say, option. So perhaps rather than what would we negotiate for, perhaps the question could be better rephrased as what is the key challenge that we would like data to address going forward. So migration and issues surrounding migration for yourself. Economics, because you don't have a strategy. Where are you going? I mean it's a traditional way of doing business. Once now you have new technology, new data, you have advanced tools where the digital economy should be pushed. Perhaps you are in a better position on the digital economy issue. Does anyone else have a view as to what challenges data could help us face going forward? Gentleman behind? Please take the mic if you'd like to do it. I have a question after this one. Oh, please. Let's move to a question in that case. Please take the mic if that's okay. Thank you. So in light of the decision for Brexit, what do you think that the EU can learn about openness and transparency? I'll just chip in my view. I think sometimes when a bureaucracy becomes so big, it actually leads not towards transparency but towards a kind of mystery and people can't understand it and there's so much legislation that is just confusing. So I was just wondering your views on that. What do you think the EU can learn? There's a good point. In some of the work we're doing, it certainly gets into grips with what is happening within the EU, the stage that a particular regulation or piece of legislation is at or interprets in the text. It's very difficult. It's certainly not an accessible institution to understand what's happening there. If anything even less accessible than our own parliament, but organisations like my society have been helping us to make that more accessible and there's some of the national things that have not quite seen something like that at the EU level. There's certainly a good point there. I think there is a thing as well of expectations or transparency that something which is speaking for, I think it's 600 million people in the EU. It was 600 million people anyway. It still is today. Something which is looking after that many people, how accessible can it actually be? Because necessarily it will be complex. Democracy is a complex beast. Direct democracy doesn't work for everything. There's always checks and balances and there's always complexity and friction in democracy. That's what holds it instead sometimes. But democracy is a use in these and we need to make sure we can get sufficient grasp on it. And that can be sufficiently explained to people. And there's more things flashing up behind me because I can see Sam looking over my shoulder with a little glee on his face. Did you want to add a response? No, there was a really just to say about the amount of bureaucracy that there is and the paperwork that goes into it. So I think that was sufficient for the effects. Are there questions from the room? I'm going to go for a question from someone called Manticlops on Twitter, which may or may not be his or her real name, and may or may not be a bot. How, was that you, Sam? How can we preserve data in the face of, and I quote, savage bands of raiders? I'm trying to picture them now. By making it as open and decentralised as possible as easy as you see if you really want to copy and use share and use as they will by decentralising ourselves with resilience against those kind of things. By decentralising and proving our value. That's how we put off such challenges. Fantastic, thank you. Raiders of the web. There's a movie in that. I don't know if Harrison Ford will be up for that. No, possibly not, given his performance in his last movie. He's laughing at the only Jones movie. OK, so a question from Ian on Twitter. How do we compensate for the soon-to-be-gone EU drivers for government such as Share PSI or Inspire? So Share PSI is about public section information. It gives some regulations and guidance around where governments must open up that data. Inspire is, I can't remember what Inspire stands for. It's another cool acronym. The summary in the room may know the answer to you, but it's talking more about map data, land data, environmental data and all those good things, which certainly environment agencies are different. Those organisations have got a lot of inspired data. Those are EU directors slash legislation that have been translated into UK legislation. Over the two years, from the point where the UK says we're now leaving and presses a big button, and the Treaty of Lisbon, those things will be on paper. Those ones in particular will be quite fascinating to see how they survive that debate. Does the data community in the UK have to lobby for those to ensure similar protections in a post-E world in the UK? So those ones in particular will be quite interesting, I think. And tying into that from Paul, again, and Leeds, our large Leeds contingent down the line today. Paul Lass, have any of the Brexiteers spoken about a plan about data and innovation in a post-Brexit world? I haven't seen that from the leaders of the campaign that those weren't the topics that were really in the campaign as such. And in that debate, I have seen views from people who are individual members of the grassroots, of people who have been campaigning for Brexit, who come from the world of data and innovation and technology. One of the things where you say, certainly there's going to be a short-term impact, but there's an argument to say, again, in the long run, the web and openness wins, whether there will be the boundaries of national states, city levels or global levels. So there's still that potential there. There's certainly still an argument there to say in the future the UK can continue to move. There's actually an argument I've seen some people make that the UK may be more nimble if it's not having to move at the pace of the same pace as 27 other countries and can move at its own pace. That then relies on our own civil service, our own legislature in the UK to embed that nimblness and agility to be able to do that. But there's an argument there. Does anyone else want to contribute? Please. I don't mind taking the microphone so that people down the line can hear. Thank you. So in the referendum, we saw quite a lot of regional and city differences with certain large cities coming out very much in favour of Remain. Do you think there are opportunities for those because we're building city-level data infrastructures? Do you think there are outside of the EU still opportunities to collaborate with those sort of things and should we be driving at that sort of more local level, that city-to-city connection rather than the sort of national level? If I can add to that as well, not just on a city level, but we have a comment from ODI's node in Cornwall that Cornwall has an EU programme worth about £500 million to 2020. ODI Cornwall would like to know how open data support sustainable development. So we need to remember to focus, not just on cities, but on other regional areas of the UK. Sorry, Peter. Quite right. Cities are already collaborating between the UK, other EU nations states and other nations across the world. So that's already happening. If you talk to the team, for example, down at Bristol, you know, in Smart Bristol, Bristol is open, those kind of communities, they're already working with countries in, with places in Korea, in China, in America. This vast group across America is the Open 311 software that was built in America that's been used in some UK local authorities. So that kind of collaboration will certainly still happen. If it's standards-based, it's about soft power. You know, it's people choosing to do these things, it's people choosing to work together to make the world a better place and to build better services and get better use out of data. So I think that will certainly happen. Whether that should be a focus, more or less of a focus, that's a tricky one to debate, I think. But Cornwall's got, I think Cornwall's got a slightly different challenge of that they're currently a big inbound recipient of EU funding because, I don't know if I forget, I think the stat last year, I don't know if it's still true, was that seven of the ten poorest regions in the EU are actually in the UK. And Cornwall is one of those regions. Cornwall, I think, is one of those regions. After the closure of the Timbines and the Timbines copper mines, the fishing, et cetera, et cetera. So there's a thing there where, I know some of the money that was going into the EU and then was being passed out from the EU back into the UK. There's been various promises made as to where that should go. Cornwall, I'm sure, has got its hand in the air right now saying, OK, can we keep getting the money that we were getting before now? And should we be making, again, a database case to say here is the money we were getting, here is how much the UK was remissing into the EU? This portion, if people are saying that was just netting back to the UK, can we have it directly, please, and can Westminster still keep giving that money back out? Because, again, that's the way it should work and places like Cornwall, they do need support. Great, that's good that goes. As I well know, I was born and brought up in Cornwall. I've experienced firsthand the need to move elsewhere to gain a job, and that's why I work in London at the moment. Does anyone else want to add? If you don't mind taking the microphone. Thank you. The reason why this fragmentation happens is because the UK government, and this is also happening in Europe, not just in the UK, they do not give attention to the rural area. And I think data, open data, they are crucial now. Because with data, you can better identify a programme project in a rural area, you can link with the cities and how you invest. This something is not from the UK, I want to show you. Even in Europe, this is lacking about this one, I come from south of Europe, for example. I see for 20 years of EU funding, there is no impact. Why this? Because data is not there. This is something that I'm involved with in the innovation research project, or how you can exploit better the data, especially the data satellite for development. I think that ties in nicely to a question from Rob that has just come through on Twitter, which is around the, in his words, flood of new legislation, which will come in to re-regulate around the changes. Rob asks how can open data help people to stay on top of those laws and those policies going forward? You need not just open data, you need a strategy linked to open data, otherwise there's no meaning. I think it's almost as specific than that, just the amount of legislative change that will come through, how can people be notified about that change, and try to influence it. We're kind of looking in the UK that we have legislation.gov.uk, which is a brilliant tool and resource for, but it's actually collaborative maintenance of parts of the data about the UK's legislation. It's collaboratively maintained by a group of organisations. And then we have Parliament who have been working on their own digital strategies and using policies to the Parliament Digital Services to make information about Parliament and what's flowing through there more accessible. I think they're due to start a beta, an alpha or beta if their new site is going in starting in two months time, I think they're moving to, for the Parliament Digital Services. So there's a good point there, I think, that's going to become quite more important to help people. I mean, if we look at this as a demonstration of democracy, the big turnout in the EU referendum, now let's start channeling that towards the after effects, the negotiations, the legislative debates, and let's try and make those more informed, with more data in there, but let's start trying to channel that democratic engagement. That'd be quite useful. It's a really good idea in that thing. I can feel another blog. They're all brewing, aren't they, Peter? I should point out as well, this is a day where a lot of opinions are being put forward and the ODI has put forward its own blog in light of the result of the referendum. But as we're in a time where there is so much uncertainty and there are lots of questions to be answered, I'd really genuinely encourage you, if you have questions, no matter how silly you may feel they are, if you're thinking it, someone else in the room will be thinking it. So I'd encourage you to feel empowered to ask those questions if you're comfortable to do so. If you're not so comfortable in a group format, please Twitter or come and speak with Peter or I, or a member of the ODI team, after our discussion today. I think we'll go for a couple more questions and then we'll wrap it up for today. We've got one from Tim on Twitter asking, who will be championing the UK's need to access the EU digital single market? I think multiple organisations and MPs will be doing that. There'll be organisations like the ODI, Tech UK, I imagine will be in there, The Coalition for Digital Economy, Tech North, Scotland will certainly be championing it with some of the work that's going on in the Scottish government. You can already see some of those statements there. They're talking about access to a single market as a whole, but the digital single market is in there. And I think we can certainly expect multiple MPs as well to be championing that and making sure we get as good a deal as possible on that strand. The UK's had a quite big reasonable influence on what's going on in the digital single market initiatives and that's going to be quite important to keep that going, because as we can see with the general data protection regulation, the initiatives under the EU digital single market will continue to affect the UK, so it needs to continue pushing and having a voice in there. I'm glad the ODI and the Open Data Institute will be a part of that. Are there any other questions in the room? Please, if you don't mind. What would Taylor Swift do? For those that didn't catch that down the line, what would Taylor Swift do? Oh, she would instantly cut a new album. She'd do it open. She might learn a bit from Kanye West in the way that he developed his last album in an open fashion by releasing an early version of it, taking feedback from the audience and then improving it. So I think Taylor Swift has got something to learn from Kanye there. And she can bring a little bit of the cheeriness and happiness of Chance the Rapper as well. From the room, there was a song called... I think she has a song called Stay, Stay, Stay. She has a song called Stay, Stay, Stay. That's new information. But she might let her audience vote on whether to release that one on your version. She's becoming more open and democratic because she's been listening to what the Open Data Institute has been saying and what we've been talking about with the lessons from Kanye West and Chance the Rapper. That's a serious answer. Thank you, Victor. It's much appreciated. I said two last questions. I've got two last questions. I want to end on a really positive question. And this question is perhaps more tricky to answer for everyone in the room. Meryl on Twitter is asking, does Brexit prove the UK public don't understand statistics? And we very much welcome comment from the room. This is not a question of open data institute related question. Does anyone have a view? Someone in the room says no. Proves that the public don't understand statistics. We've got a nod of agreement in the room as well. Did you want to add something? I was just going to say, why should they understand statistics? Actually, I mean, it's interesting in terms of a younger generation coming through. I'm talking about children in school at the minute and how much more digitally engaged they are. And actually, their awareness of how to use social media and the web is the future of where that's where open data is going to be in future standards. So, it's interesting to see what they think when they reminisce in 20 years' time. And we're looking back at this and they'll say, well, if only our parents understood statistics. We'll see. Very interesting point. What will the future say about today's result? Who knows? But hopefully from the open data institute's point of view, this will be an opportunity to effect positive future change. And our blog today, I would implore you to read it. The main message from that is that data knows no boundaries. And I would encourage you to take that to your hearts and to work with us going forward to take that message out there. Exactly. Let's keep building a better future. Very last question from Alex on Twitter. And I promise this is the last one. What is the silver lining to all of this? Alex seems a little concerned there isn't one and would like some reassurance from Peter on that. This is silver lining in everything the world. I woke up this morning there weren't riots on the street there was a sunshine the world is still there. I'm going to be able to walk home. There isn't the run on the banks that people were predicting last week. All these kind of things there's always a silver lining there's always a better day there's always a new day and we can always keep building a better future and people will keep doing that together because that's what people do people are generally good people and they will keep working together Thank you very much Peter for your fantastic contribution today. Thank you to those in the room who have contributed questions thoughts, nods, grimaces it's so much appreciated and thank you to those watching, listening and contributing on Twitter down the line. We could just share in a round of applause together today. Thank you very much for your attendance. We've been the Open Data Institute we'll be back here next week with another Friday lunchtime lecture around the week after next I apologise around use of data to solve problems of hunger in the world so we do hope you'll join us however that may be. Thank you for attending today.