 Israel's story to the world I-24 news channels welcome to I-24 news is ongoing coverage of Israel at war today is the fourth and final day of the ceasefire for hostages deal between Israel and Hamas a final group of 11 hostages are slated to be released today Israel says they have a list of names but is evaluating that list no indications yet of what possible snags exist in the deal the only details known so far that both Israel and Hamas have problems with the list there are still at least another 40 women and children being held in Gaza in Qatar's prime minister says Hamas does not even know where they are hostages seized by what Qatar says are unknown groups and individuals and says Hamas must still find them all but what comes next Hamas says they want to extend the ceasefire to release more hostages their stated strategy is to buy time and induce international pressure on Israel to end the war the IDF and all of Israel's government says even if the ceasefire is extended the war is only on pause and will resume immediately after the ceasefire ends but Prime Minister Netanyahu says he too is willing to extend the temporary pause here you can see last night's freed hostages reuniting with their families after more than seven nightmarish weeks on this we are joined by our correspondent Nicole Sedeck who is standing by what's become known as hostages square in Tel Aviv Nicole we are on the last day of that initial deal and yet we're now hearing that there are still about 40 hostages that Hamas doesn't even know where they are just for the woman and children what's the mood at hostages square like right now in light of all the revelations there's a tense feeling in the air in hostages square however this is the same feeling that we've been feeling not only for the past four days but really the past 52 days ariel as says these families these friends these Israeli citizens have been anxiously waiting for all 240 of those hostages to return home and although every day we get to see those emotional reunion videos watching those videos this is giving a lot of the people here it says strength and hope that they've been needing to see after seven weeks however it's also a stark reminder that although these people are getting a reunion with their families we know there's roughly 180 hostages still held captive in Gaza now that number includes roughly 18 children 43 women and as you said reports are now coming out that Hamas claims to not know the whereabouts of about 40 hostages now I want to tell our viewers also while they but it absolutely complicates these negotiation efforts because as Hamas says that it's going to be them who are handing over these these children are currently still held captive in Gaza so that would still leave a handful of them captive and it could be because Hamas does not know their whereabouts but it remains one of the most complicated issues and so when you're hearing from people who are coming here and really walking through hostages square which has become almost a walking vigil and a memorial for all of those people it's a heavy feeling yet a hopeful feeling and so these two emotions it's absolutely contradicting but that's been the the feeling that we continue to see here day after day well Nicole it's definitely a very tense location very tense subject is playing on the hearts and the minds of so many Israelis and not just Israelis right now thank you very much from that report from hostages square with the families and IDF soldier that was rescued from captivity by the armed forces last month has made her first public statement or yet megadish is the only October 7th hostage that the military has managed to retrieve via combat operations so far and she had the following message for the nation hi I'm already megadish almost a month ago I returned home and I am happy to see all the exciting videos of the hostages returning I hope and wish for all the families who are still waiting for the hostages to reunite with their loved ones and experience the same moments of joy as I did I hope that everyone will return and it will indeed happen with God's help I'm fine and I'm home with my family I'm having fun and I'm glad I got my life back and for more on this situation we are joined in studio by Danny I alone former Israeli ambassador to the US Danny it's good to have you with us now we're seeing a lot of back-and-forth in the hostages deal these days we the mediator Qatar now saying that they don't even know where mostly many of these hostages are is this Qatar simply trying to buy time and buy further existence for Hamas or is there actually legitimacy to these claims most probably Qatar is in cahoots with Hamas without Qatar Hamas won't be in the position it is in with all this huge quantities of money and their political positions Qatar can have much more leverage that could be employed and hasn't been but there is another issue here which is the Red Cross the Red Cross has rendered itself to be almost null and void and it doesn't to its credibility when it is so useless and it was rendered into just a logistical role just providing the ambulances Red Cross should have been pounding on Hamas doors or Qatar doors or the Security Council doors of all in the United Nations Mr. Gutierrez the Secretary General day in and day out they should not have allowed the situation where they are not even given the list of hostages this is in human let alone going and visiting them you know a real World War two even the Nazis the savages the monsters of the Nazis allowed the Red Cross to visit the allied prisoners of wars in their custody here Hamas is refusing to even allow them to get the list this is something which is in human and I think it's a shame on the Red Cross actually you know bringing into question their legitimacy their credibility they resound the ether what are they doing if they are in you know when when they're needed if they're not providing the minimum thing which is the list of hostages so right now Israel is in a bind absolutely but on the one hand you know where you see this innocent faces of the children and their bright eyes and you know it's all worthwhile the ceasefire and all the sacrifices we were making to get them all out but at some point I'm not sure that it will be feasible and the Hamas does not get the messages in a way that they can understand then you know because they're probably they're seen wires you know you can see noir and his crone is objective is to prolong the ceasefire as long as possible to the effect that they will still be in control of Gaza this is something that we cannot allow and we're going to actually interrupt this line of discussion because there is a press briefing to the international press going on at the Prime Minister's residence right now let's take a listen 300 Palestinian violent criminals in Israeli jails for release under this framework under the agreed three for one ratio that would allow for another five days of a hostage release pause for another 50 hostages should Hamas agree to release those people from captivity and we will of course welcome that and are continuing to make every effort to get our hostages back from Gaza at the same time the Prime Minister told President Biden what he told soldiers during an earlier visit to the Gaza Strip those images also released through the GPO when the Prime Minister visited one of those exposed tunnels when Hamas stops releasing hostages under the existing framework Israel will return to realizing our three goals with full force eliminating Hamas ensuring that Gaza never again pose a threat to the people of Israel and of course releasing all of our hostages our hearts are with the freed hostages but our minds are of course first and foremost with this but with those still being held cruelly by Hamas without access to the Red Cross in cheer violation of any standard of humanity Israel remains committed to that pledge there will be no one left behind none of us are free till all of them are free there are still currently around 184 people still being held hostage by Hamas since October 7th in that number are 14 foreigners and also another 80 Israelis with foreign dual citizenship there are four abductees abductees currently in Gaza predating October 7th of course Hadar Galdin Oron Shaul from the 2014 war of Erumangisto Hisham Asaid we remember them we're making efforts to bring them home as well to date 40 Israelis and another 18 foreigners have been released we will continue to apply full military pressure on Hamas to release the women and the men the children and the old the civilians and the soldiers every minute that Hamas continues to hold our hostages in the dark and to keep their families in the dark about their fate is an ongoing and unforgivable crime against humanity yesterday the director general of the prime minister's office Yossi Shelley visited the Shamir medical center which has treated 14 Thai nationals and one Filipino national returning from Hamas captivity the director general was accompanied by the ambassador of Thailand to Israel and representatives from the IDF and the Shamir medical center now an operational update as part of the hostage release pause yesterday Sunday Kogat the coordinator of government activities in the territories coordinated the entry of 200 trucks into the Gaza Strip 42 of which were loaded with shelter equipment we remain committed to what we've been saying consistently from the very beginning we want to see humanitarian aid reach the people of Gaza the civilians who need it in a way that makes sure that Hamas can't steal it this happened with the approval of the government of Israel of course in accordance with the agreement with the United States and in coordination with Egypt and the United Nations as of yesterday November 26th 226 trucks loaded with shelter equipment have been transferred to the Gaza Strip this is part of the ongoing humanitarian aid being delivered via international organizations through the Rafa border crossing having first been checked by Israel at the Nitzana crossing in Israel has more than doubled its capabilities to inspect those trucks make sure that the international community's goodwill is not being exploited by Hamas to rearm and refuel as part of this aid some 3600 tons of tents blankets and mattresses to the studio we are going to return to the studio now with former Israeli ambassador Dany Ayalon Dany what we just heard in the press conference is something the military has said many many times once the ceasefire is over and we stop getting hostages back the war resumes but you have experienced with the united states are they really going to hold to that statement okay so we have to break down the american position on the one hand they are dead set against having Hamas ever again in a position to control or to rule Gaza this is not just a matter of a sentiment it's a matter of very cold and calculated interests for the united states for the next stage if they ever want to think of a political vision or a political let's say talks between Israel and the Palestinians they understand Hamas cannot be there but then comes when we go down into a further resolution what is going to be there next if Hamas is not there who is going to control Gaza and here there is a difference of opinions between Israel and the united states Biden himself the president talked about a revitalized Palestinian authority and we have to really think of and analyze what does revitalized mean because if it's the same authority just with different names then we have not done anything we have an experience a real after two in 2004 after the defensive shield operation in Gaza at that time president bush realized that the Palestinian authority under Arafat is really a terror entity and can no longer be a partner for for peace or for coexistence and then we came up the united states and Israel with a plan of removing Arafat and actually bringing in Abu Mazen the thinking was that Abu Mazen will be a different leader but he wasn't well he talked differently you know more softly than Arafat but in his action he was the same in terms of delegitimizing Israel political warfare all over the globe especially in the united nation and other international organizations and of course financing terrorists and keeping the curriculum this very nefarious curriculum that the Palestinians teach their children never to have peace with Israel actually from the river to the sea we know that so if a revitalized Palestinian authority will not deal with all these issues that I have specified and correct them all together in a very very systematic and fundamental way there is nothing we can talk about but Israel should be I think more nuanced than just saying no saying no is not an answer saying no is not a judicial a judicious plan or a diplomatic viable way for we can say no but and here we can come up with a plan that would that would that objective of the plan is to a real revitalized authority which will be peace seeking which will believe in coexistence which will change the curriculum and all the other things that should be done however this cannot be done overnight let's not kill ourselves so what are we missing here the element of time aerial I would believe that it will take in my opinion a generation to change the political culture in the Palestinian authority but meanwhile we should think of some kind of a multinational structure not led by the UN the UN is not a partner here they have no credibility they are corrupt politically and otherwise so this is the discussion that should be for the day after and we're going to continue this line of thought in just a brief moment but first though we do have to turn to our reporter Pierre Kloschender who is standing by at the Schneider Children's Medical Center where so many of these released hostages have been taken for a medical evaluation Pierre what is the status of Israel's now finally returned to children well you know some partial details are starting to filter out from relatives that came to visit the nine children's and the two mothers that are on the third floor just above us and I spoke just very recently to Varda Goldstein Varda Goldstein is the mother of Nadav who was killed with one of his children on during the October 7 massacre in Kfar Azar the wife of Nadav the the daughter-in-law of Varda was abducted with three of her children in the into the Gaza Strip and they were freed overnight the children are fine she says they got tablets they got phones and that makes them the most happy so at this point it's an optimistic note but they knew already about the death of their father and their sister they knew it from the first day from October 7 because they witnessed it so you know the children are happy to get tablets but at the same time there is a deep sorrow that have been accompanying them during captivity Nadav and his daughter are dead three children and the mother are alive and Varda says they're going to have to recompose the family puzzle now to recompose it and also to reinsert their same themselves into social life and that's a problem because their homes have been destroyed in Kfar Azar they have no real place to live in and this is one of the things that they're going to have to deal now with while they're still in the hospital where are they going to go I spoke to another family earlier the Brodac family the grandfather as well he said that the three kids and the mother were held in captivity with a small little girl who is Israeli-American Avigai Lidan that she was present Joe Biden spoke so much about she marked her birthday her fourth birthday on Friday but at least on the lighter note she was held with the Brodac family who she knew because when the massacre occurred and she lost two of her two parents Smadar and Roy she run cover with the blood of their of her father to the Brodac family who was secluded into their shelter eventually they were all about adopted but the lack of Avigai Lidan is that she remained with the family during the 51 days of captivity now what we know from the medical about their medical condition is that they were malnourished one of the one of the abductees who was freed Alma Avram 84 she's in critical condition she's under sedatives she's under a respirator she's fighting for her life right now and the reason is that for 51 days she didn't receive any medication and she was under medical treatment while being in israel so now she's fighting for her life and her family is just saying that the conditions and the which she was held were appalling it's a nightmare situation for so many israelis so many hostages even fighting after their freed pier thank you for that update we are going to hear directly from some families now Ophir Metzger is the granddaughter of Tommy and Yoram who are still held hostage in Gaza by Hamas Ophir i'm glad that you can be with us i wish we could have a better situation to be talking can you tell us what you do know about the status of your family there's not a lot to do we're just trying to keep it whole together we don't sleep much we just watching updates trying to understand if maybe it's it's going to be them tomorrow or maybe just my grandma because it's still just women and children we know that they are old nothing very good health condition and we worry and we also think about with the hope that they will come back we think what what then what would we tell them i i probably i think they probably don't know what what happened that day and i don't think they know that my uncles are okay and they and they're alive and and there's a lot to tell them and a lot too for them to to to learn when they get here so we think about that too and most of the time we just we just hope that they that they are surviving this because they're both old my grandpa is 80 my grandma is 78 both not in the best health with the question of how long the ceasefire will go on for on everybody's mind what are your thoughts how does israel have a duty to extend it as long as possible to ensure that your family and as many other family members of so many broken families in israel can come home um i definitely think that israel should do anything to return the hostages until the last one of them but to tell you that i think that the ceasefire should continue or not i think only the people with the information can tell that and i think that we are not dealing with a rational enemy so sometimes the only thing that they can understand is power and i and and i accept that and and i will become to know that israel is doing everything it can to to return my grandparents and all the hostages affair are you maintaining hope right now given the amount of uncertainty that we're seeing all around this deal um some days and some days less but to see all the hostages coming back was really giving hope um to see that is happening because before that we thought that we couldn't believe that we would be able to do even a one normal deal with Hamas so at least that for now and we hope that our grandparents will be next and we still don't know the list for today um but we hope i mean oh fair i guess my last question then for you being do you have a short message you want to tell other people of israel other families right now who are going through the same uncertainty and the same fears um i i just wanted to send one message that um with all the talking especially in the media that we can like see from above this this deal and sometimes feel like um this deal is not fair for us so because we release uh three hostages three sorry three prisoners of the from the prisons in israel uh and get one hostage um one israeli hostage so i just want to send the message that that's only mean um that should mean to every israeli how much this country value uh its civilians life uh and we should go with um our heads high and proud of that that our country values life that our people values life and not that yeah nothing about the situation is fair or fair it's unfortunately all we can say is that we're all praying for you and your family to come home safe the entire nation right now for everyone else though we are about to go on a short break when we get back we have so much more to cover so we'll see you in three minutes israel is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where we see as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well thank you very much for staying with us as we continue our coverage of the hostage situation that israel is facing we're going to open with our correspondent nicole setek who is still standing by hostages square in televieve nicole from what we understanding this deal could still be extended at least five possibly six more days depending on how it's being counted at the given time what are families saying about a possible extension for more hostages many of the families especially those of men who are not a part of this deal they're very conflicted right now ariel because right now after three days of negotiations this iconic shabbat dinner table that we've seen here at hostages square we could fill 58 of these seats right now however look how large this table is 240 empty seats 180 of them these seats are still empty and so being if this extension if the ceasefire is extended that means more and more of these chairs would be able to fill and and when we see these emotional reunion videos of these people finally running back to their loved ones to their family members after seven weeks in captivity it makes many of the family members here want to see that ceasefire extended because anyone that they could welcome home it's going to be welcomed home with open arms and everyone wants to see that happen however many people are also happy that the Israeli government has put a time limit on as far as how many days they could possibly extend this ceasefire for every additional day of a of a truce israel says they will extend a pause in the in the fighting as long as they receive 10 additional hostages from hamas however as you stated this additional extension is only limited for 10 days total so we're only in the fourth day here so that would mean only six more days and that is only if hamas does hand over 10 additional hostages for those days so many people want to see more and more hostages return however they say exactly when that's over a lot of people here when i'm speaking to them on the ground they want israel to continue fighting in Gaza because we know even after that extension even if we do see a few more days of this pause and more hostages returned they're still going to be more than a hundred that could still be in Gaza and so especially for many of these men many of the soldiers who have been kidnapped a lot of their family members are thinking the only way for them to be rescued is if israel and the IDF does continue their operation inside Gaza you've highlighted what is the core issue to Israeli society for our hearts it's our missing people that everybody wants to bring home but we also know that we have to think that there's a war to be won and these two goals could very well be opposed what are israel's leaders saying about this situation israel's leaders from what we're hearing they continue to reiterate that their main message right now it's not just bringing back all of the hostages that they can but completely eliminating hamas because as these hostages are returning home we can we can say we're welcoming them back to israel but they're not going home their communities have been completely destroyed all of these kibbutz communities they're not being welcomed home to their communities and so that's on a big part of this operation right now to make sure that at some point they can go back and rebuild those communities and that it is a safe place for them to be and they're not living with the threat of hamas right on their border and so as we do continue to to hear Israeli government Israeli leaders saying that yes we are going to bring back all of the hostages and work on these negotiations on the other hand we are going to continue to fight and destroy hamas eliminating all of the leadership so that they can't continue to run rampant through the Gaza Strip well thank you very much Nicole for the explanation of the crisis that we're facing and that report from hostages square now on paper this temporary ceasefire between Israel and hamas is set to end you know tomorrow morning around midnight tonight depending on how you count that Israel said time and time again over zoom fighting but will this really be the case other players in the region and beyond want to extend the ceasefire even making it permanent i24 news senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev explains as far as the IDF is concerned fighting in Gaza will resume on Tuesday morning when the current ceasefire is expected to end will it really happen on the ground not so sure there is a framework saying it is possible to extend the ceasefire and free 10 hostages for every additional day we welcome this framework but i also told the US president that at the end of this outline we will return with full force to achieve our goals the elimination of Hamas ensuring Gaza does not return to what it was and of course the release of our hostages following a visit to the forces in Gaza and a phone call with American President Joe Biden Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke of the possibility of extending the ceasefire but also of the need for the fighting to resume and eliminate Hamas only one of those goals was mentioned in the statement coming from the White House that's our goal to keep this pause going beyond tomorrow so that we can continue to see more hostages come out and surge more humanitarian relief into into those who indeed in Gaza what does this mean for the future of this war is anyone's guess the US proved it is strongly backing Israel at this time but can also prevent Israel from certain moves such as a pre-emptive strike on Hezbollah which was reportedly stopped by visiting American officials the administration is well aware that elections are less than a year away and a prolonged war is not in its interest like so many times before American politics may be having their effect on Middle Eastern wars and we return now to former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Downey Ayalon because we just saw in that report some of what we were talking about a few short minutes ago in the studio we had said the US has explicit desires for outcomes explicit interest but this is an election year and the Democratic Party is split between their traditional establishment base which follows U.S. foreign policy to Attei and their progressive wing that wants to burn down that traditional establishment policy and Biden is losing a great deal of support from the progressives because of this war how long can the establishment hold out against the radicals if it's going to cost them the election well it all depends on President Biden and so far he's shown not only staunch support for Israel but a great leadership in terms of its strategic vision for the region in terms of how the United States should be leading quite frankly the entire world because the war here in Gaza is not just between Israel and Hamas it's between two major camps one is led by the United States you know which I would call the Western civilization or Judeo-Christian heritage on the other hand we have global jihadists unfortunately which are being supported by China economically and Iran of course and by Russia politically and militarily so this is basically a war that no one with its right mind can stop short of really eradicating this threat after the goal was already put out as the eradication of Hamas or elimination of Hamas if Israel stops short of that then we lose all deterrents for the north with Hezbollah or vis-a-vis any potential future enemies whether it's the hoodies that are beginning their piracy in the Gulf states and others so this has to be understood and I think the Americans understand it although for them it's a different clock ticking it is true Ariely and you mentioned the elections coming soon I believe that present Biden will really look into the election campaign and a ramification more towards January February next year which means we have about six to eight weeks of really a space where we can really reason with the Americans and work together with them after that the Americans will have no patience for that and this is why I think that it would be the Israeli government will be well advised to work with the Americans not against it right now yes releasing of the hostages is something which is you know of the utmost humane you know priority but we will have to do with Hamas what we need to do with Hamas and I believe the Americans will stand by us one of the things that you brought up that I think is really salient to mention it's not just a small-scale war Israel versus neighbor you mentioned it's not just regional also but we're talking about ideologies that are shooting around the entire globe right now changing perceptions and because of that it's not just the American administration that Israel has to convince it's the voters who are going to be listening to messages from all corners of the internet all ideas and all kinds of misinformation it's a weird way to change topics but that is part of the reason that we are seeing Elon Musk here in Israel meeting with the prime minister touring the south kibbutz berry where so many of those horrors happened on october 7th ultimately what role are we going to see international communications giants like twitter x elon musk platform as well as others tiktok which has become more or less enemy action since the war began because they all have to be convinced to well today elon musk twitter and the likes have more power than nation states or most nation states not only they run huge amounts of money which are larger than most countries gdps but also because of their reach to hundreds of millions of viewers or listeners and they can really reach and touch their minds and even shape their outlook of the world i believe that at the end of the day we will have the upper hand for the reason is that all those today who are demonstrating against israel mostly they are of radical muslim type whether it's in the united states or in europe when demonstrators for palestine in the united states bring down or tear down american polls uh flag polls and bring up palestinian ones or put kafias on heads of bus of lingon or or washington at the end of the day they are doing themselves a major disservice we see it also in europe where the talk about the threat of radical islam is becoming very palpable and that could also make a lot of changes politically we already saw a few days ago ariel that here at wielders the right wing politician in holland won the elections that could be the same in other countries as well in short don't correct the enemy when they're making a mistake is what it sounds like danie we're going to change topics though and continue our discussions in a bit chin bet investigations have revealed just how far terrorists have infiltrated into israel october 7th there are ways of kidnapping both tai and the police citizens from kibbutz al-amim as well shoving the ambulances and bring them over the border to shifa hospital the focus of so much idf investigation more in this report that shows the extent of hamas's crimes we went to jacar we stopped at the bank and went to the hospital and didn't go to jacar from the other point we told them that there's a lot of people in japan walking around are they busy? yes they said they'll go to the hospital the hospital? yes they said there's a lot of people in japan walking around they said there's a lot of people in jacar we went to the hospital we went to the hospital we went to the hospital we found the dead body in the hospital the other one was in the living room there's a body inside outside? yes outside there were two bodies two bodies not one two bodies two of them were there they took the dead body we went to the hospital in the west there was a body inside and I went out from the center of the right and the body was clean and the body was clean ten minutes later they came back to Abu Khaled and it was back to the hospital they threw away his body but they didn't show him the patient didn't tell him but I heard from him he said he threw away his body We took the case of the second case, we took it and sent it to him. The same goes for the first case. In return to you in studio, Donny, I along, because we just saw the extent and the planning that went into Hamas' crimes, when Israel reveals this sort of thing to the world, does it actually accomplish anything? I think so. First of all, it has to be recorded for history, just like the Nazis' crimes. It's, I would say, almost the same category, the same level. And secondly, they will have to be brought into justice, whether we should have a special legislation for that, because I don't think there is any sentence in the Book of Laws which commensurate to the horrific slaughter that took place. I don't know if you can backdate legislation or not. I would leave this for the lawyers to deal with, but it has to be brought into the world to see who we are dealing with and why we should not ever allow Hamas-type, ISIS-type organizations to really be in existence. Definitely a challenge for Israel going forward to show our audience exactly what that was that went down on October 7. Our correspondent Eris Shapiro has a deeper look at Kibbutz Bayeri that was devastated by Hamas' terrorists. It's now trying to find its way back to life and pledging to grow even stronger, but the wounds remain deep. For nearly 40 years, Eran Avni has been documenting Kibbutz Bayeri by the Gaza border. Here in this small but advanced studio, he broadcast a local TV station of the Kibbutz called Channel 900. The significance of this channel is its values. We talk about the connection between the people of Bayeri to the place and the involvement. We saw it very strongly during the coronavirus pandemic. People sat at home and all the events happened here. Some of the shows on Channel 900 have a new chilling meaning today. For example, this show called A Surprise Dinner where members of the Kibbutz cooked a dish for each other. This episode shows Eran's nephew, Chagi Avni, and his friend, Ken Avni. Both were murdered by Hamas on October 7. Chagi is the son of my brother. Ken is the son of my wife's brother. They grew up together, like brothers. Chagi was a member of the security squad. When the whole thing started, he was recruited and he was shot to death. Ken's safe room was burned. He had to leave his house and hide with his family. Then a terrorist shot them from the roof. I took a classic picture of the old dining room. Look how it looks now. On October 7, Eran and his wife were touring in the United States. When he returned home, the Kibbutz was evacuated. We have a letter here. Dear Avni family, we hope you're all safe and healthy. We are fighters from the paratroop brigade. We stayed in your house. We wanted to say thank you. We are sorry for the mess. The Jewish people is eternal. It's fun to come back home, but it's not really coming back home. I miss my home. I miss the view. And most of all, I miss my coffee. On our way back, Eran meets an old friend. Sigal Crowney, closer husband Eric, was the chief security officer of Kibbutz-Berry. I decided to come back here to change the picture in my head of a dark place full of terrorists. This is the last image of the Kibbutz-Berry. I decided to come back here to change the picture in my head of a dark place full of terrorists. This is the last image of the Kibbutz-Berry. It's a place which was home to my children and to other children here. I was here once. And now I come back to see this place in daylight to meet some of the people I love who are part of our community. I want to see the green areas here. I just want to take the picture that I have, a picture of a frozen place and to bring colors inside of it. Eran has taken two main missions to himself. The first is to document the houses of the broken Kibbutz. The second is to create a private archive of testimonies of the survivors. Every story here is a story of courage, like a story about a mother who protects her children or decisions of survival in real time and amazing stories of mutual aid, people who sacrifice themselves for the other. Recently, Eran and I have been working together for a long time. Recently, Eran planned to purchase a portable studio and to expand his activities, something that became even more relevant after October 7. In the meantime, he continues to document the Kibbutz and hopes to return to broadcasting live from Berry. Channel 900 gives us a window to the history of Berry. I hope it will continue to exist and show the future of Berry. We will continue to film, to document, and to create original shows. I'm going to return to Danny Aylone in the studio. We saw there a small snippet of the aftermath of October 7. But there's a big question, who's actually going to return to the south just because the fighting isn't happening there again? Doesn't mean people feel safe. The enemy effectively captured territory all across the entirety of the Gaza envelope and that attack. By dint of pushing people out, never to return. Well, first of all, I think the IDF will have to do rethinking about the entire concept of defense. The peripheral defense is going to be much different, not only with more stronger deployment, but also with a buffer. The Palestinians will never be able to reach the fence just meters away from our citizens. This is certain. And secondly, Hamas should not be there. And always, Israel will retain the right and the duty to go in on a hard pursuit if needed after any terrorist from there. This is the only way to assure that the people of Berry and Neroz and all the rest of them can come back. But it's not going to be that easy because we don't even know what's going to be happening tomorrow. We don't know how long the ceasefire will truly extend. We don't know what international pressures will be brought to bear. Certainly the United States has already said they have no intention of letting Israel maintain permanent security control there forever. Well, there is difference between permanent control and security control. I don't think that officially we have security control over Genine in the West Bank or on Tulkarem. But we need to do what we need to do. We need to go in and out with the absence of or ineffectiveness of the Palestinian Authority. Same thing will be in Gaza. I don't think we should retain any civil control over there, not officially even security control, but the, again, the right to go in and out is needed. So, I mean, another question that we've asked and sort of started on talking about before, who does that leave in control if the PA certainly isn't trustworthy in the crop of people. Obviously, Hamas can never be allowed to return or exist after that. And the polls show that just about every single person in the West Bank as well as Gaza have the same opinions that they support the terrorists. They support October 7th. So, we'll have to find a group of countries, and there are a group of countries with stake with interest of calm in Gaza, like Egypt, like Jordan, like Gulf countries, including Saudi Arabia. So, there should be some kind of a structure that can be found with maybe American supervision. It's not going to be easy, but there is no other way to go back to control of terror organizations in Gaza. Absolutely. Another challenge is which of these regional partners even want to get involved in the first place, and that's not an easy one to answer either, Danny. But that's a question for tomorrow rather than a question for today. Thank you very much for being with us and explaining so much of the behind-the-scenes politics and diplomacy that goes into these sorts of decisions. With that, we are going to go on a break soon. 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News 24, only on i24 News. What exactly the snags are in the deal? Israel has not yet released any information as the nature or the evaluation discussions, though it is known that Hamas and Israel are both having some problems with the lists. There are still at least another 40 women and children in Gaza. And Qatar's Prime Minister says Hamas does not even know where they are. Hostages seized by what Qatar says are unknown groups and individuals. And says Hamas must still find them. But what comes next? Hamas says they want to extend the ceasefire to release more hostages. Their stated strategy is to simply buy time inducing international pressure on Israel to end the war. The IDF and all of Israel's government say even if the ceasefire is extended the war is only on pause and will resume immediately after hostages return. But Prime Minister Netanyahu says he is willing to extend that temporary pause. Now for more on this we are going to go to our correspondent Pierre Kloschen there who is standing by at the Schneider Children's Medical Center. Pierre, what do we know about the status of the hostages that have been returned? Well, there are nine kids just on the third floor here which is protected and guarded and two mothers. But some of the family members come to us from time to time and tell us about the predicament of their dear ones that were in captivity for 41 days. We heard earlier the grandfather of the Brodette's family where three children and the mother were abducted and they came back. We hear that they were undernourished that they didn't eat much for the past two weeks or so only rice and pita bread. We know that they slept on benches, plastic benches or plastic chairs or sometimes even on the ground without a mattress. But the kids are resilient it seems. They don't talk much about their predicament. We spoke also to Varda Goldstein she is the grandmother of a family of of five four of them were abducted and their husband and the elder daughter were killed in the October 7 massacre in Farazah. They knew that the father and the daughter were killed, the three siblings they knew about it but they don't talk about it. Let's hear what Varda told us. They are in a good condition they are laughing they are playing Lego take a good shower yesterday have a good breakfast like they want and we just need to give them space to start a new life a new road to build a new family because the father and the the sister killed by the Hamas by the next Saturday and now they are they miss them yes they know they knew about this because they left the house after they were murdered so all over the 50 days that they have been in the Gaza Strip they knew that the father and the sister they know well thank you very much Pierre for that report. A lot of mixed emotions families that are still coming back together but we have a press conference going on at the Soroka hospital from the families of another hostage that we're about to jump to right now here is a live visuals that's going to be starting shortly that is related to the family of one hostage that is not in good condition and still fighting for her life after being returned from going to be coming to this as soon as it begins. That could be a few more minutes, so first we are going to turn to the studio, where we have Uzi Irabi of the Dayan Center with us to describe, well, a lot of the situation that we're facing right now. Uzi, not just the Haas situation, the war on pause at least for now. How long can that pause really be kept in effect? Because Hamas still has to be defeated here. Not too long, but since we have this four days, Israel, I think realizes that if we're going to get or be able to make sure that more 60 people or something close to that number could be returned in another five to six days, well, this is something that Israel would like to consider. I think that this is what we're going to have. It fits actually Hamas, of course, vision, because Hamas would like, would vie for more time to extend the ceasefire, to reorganize itself in the southern part of the Gaza Strip, in Qanyunis. I'm going to interrupt you right now, Uzi, and we will return to this, but it looks like this press conference is starting so we can learn more about the fate of one of our hostages. Avraham via helicopter after she was hostage for over 50 days in the Gaza Strip. Emma was evacuated in a serious condition with all the vital signs were very low. What was posed a serious threat to her life. Alma has many background diseases and was given regular medication before her being taken hostage. Unless she was brought to us yesterday, or if there was another delay, this would have made her situation even more severe. She continues to be in a serious condition. She is under a life threat. The teams in Soroka continue to fight for her life and do whatever it takes to improve her condition. It is important to note that as part of the medical treatment, we are also following the family members with emotional support of the social welfare system. Thank you very much. And we are going to be discussing this further with guests in studio. But before that, we are going to hear from more family members. Yair Moses is the son of 78 year old Margalit who was freed from Gaza. But Yair, I understand that it's mixed emotions right now because while your mother was freed, your father is still there. Exactly, you're correct. Thank you. So now that we have some deal on the table, how are you feeling right now? Well, we're waiting and hoping a lot because we don't know Hamas is unpredictable. And as we know, even think that we agree with them are not done as agreed sometimes. So we don't know anything. We just wait and hope that everyone will come as soon as possible. And we'll be back with us. Have you been given any sort of indication by authorities, by negotiators, when there might even be discussions for when male hostages might be addressed? Not at the moment, nothing at the moment. Yes, unfortunately. It's a terrifying situation to think about. I mean, when you hear this is going on, what are your thoughts given the uncertainty, the untrustworthiness of Hamas, obviously, for talk of extending the ceasefire to try to get more people back? It's very disturbing and you don't know what to do. And because many people among the hostages are elder people. And like we just saw now in the press conference, we don't know what will be the condition where they'll come. And we don't have time to wait for them to be like this. We don't want them to be in a life-threatening situation. So we need them to come back as soon as possible. And one of the major problems is that Hamas don't let Red Cross to come and see them. So we don't know their condition. And this is a very, very boring situation. Because we must, and I thought this was part of this deal and I hope it will be also accomplished. But during this time, this is a ceasefire time. It's time for also the Red Cross to see all the people and we'll know their situation. Yeah, you can you describe what your reunion with your mother was like? Oh, this is one of the happiest things in life, of course. And of course, in the last two months, the happiest moment without doubt. We are very worried. She's not a healthy woman. So we were very, very worried about the situation. And happily we found her in a good, you can say good, but in a reasonable condition. And we are very happy for this. Yeah, there's a lot of Israelis that are in a very similar situation to yourself. Some of their families been freed. Others remain a lot more Israelis that still have no word and no knowledge. What is your message to your fellow citizen right now going through this sort of heart break and fear? Keep believing and keep fighting and keep talking to everyone. And this is the main reason I'm here with you. And because I'm happy to talk about my mother, but sorry, my father and many others are still hostages. And we must do anything that can be done. And this must say in the topics of all Israel and all the news all over the world that so many people are still hostages and the unhumanity. It's not like there was a war between two countries and some soldier recovered. It's impossible to believe that people just take people, civilians, babies, elderly people, just young people from a party and kid enough of them in order just for a negotiation and the cruelty that we saw in the last almost two months ago. Definitely, it's a terrible, terrible, terrible situation that we all find ourselves. And we're all praying for you and your family. And we're glad that we can give you the opportunity to get that message out and hope it's heard by the people that need to hear it. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you as well. We're going to return to the studio where we have Uzzi Rabi still with us. Obviously, the situation that has been tearing on Israel's hearts for well over a month, almost two months now since this war began and no real sense of resolution anytime in the future. Well, listen, what Israel actually is going through is a real blow. It has to do with its national ethos. It has to do with its position in the Middle East or status. And basically, even internationally, there are many, many things that must be reckoned with. I would say that way. Israel should make it clear to its citizens, first of all, to its society that the South is just the beginning. There would be north after that. We cannot afford ourselves to have those 200,000 Israelis, which now in kind of a displacement in Israel itself remain in that situation. We have to create kind of a security reality that would make them get back to their homes. Otherwise, Israel is being shrinked. We used to say actually in the past that Israel is so tiny like Hedera to Ghedera. This is exactly what we have now. This is kind of a first goal to be achieved, and it has to do with the ongoing relationships between state and society. Second, Israel has to send a message to the Middle East. How ultimately are they going to send that message though? Because I have had generals, I've had military officials in this studio for a month now, and every last one of them says they think that Israel is making a mistake even talking about a ceasefire. How do you reassure a public that has no faith in their own institutions? Well, you know, I mean, if you won't talk about ceasefire, I mean, it is done. That's a done deal. That's the use of actually just asking about itself. You asked me about that, and I said since we start with that, and we get to get another 60 civilians, children, mothers coming back home. Well, it's something that Israel should do or should implement. But in the end of it, Israel should restart or again initiate its military attack on the south because the goal is still there. Hamas should be uprooted. And basically, this is something that we do see that Israel is enjoying, kind of a support from President Biden. We just heard a speech yesterday. Even if there are some reservations about humanitarian aid and all that stuff, Israel should be very attentive to that in order to buy some more credit. But in the end of the day, Israel should actually, in spite of all difficulties, and I agree with you, should go on and do that. Listen, I mean, there is a delicate sensitive issue here. It is unheard of. You have more than 200, 200 people who were kidnapped, hostages, but under the auspices of a crazy guy named Sanwar and Hamas. Hamas actually has introduced kind of a performance as if it is Daesh or ISIS. And this is what Israel should do. Israel should do the military. I'm going to have to interrupt you right here because we now have the family members of that hostage that was recovered speaking out, and we want to hear this. Sarah, we would go to, I wish to say a major thank you to everyone that follows us in how they assist us and our mother. It is not to be taken for granted. I wish to thank the hostage forum. Even when we thought that our story is about to finish, I told them that our story may end better, but we do not leave them until everyone returns home. It is the fight of all of us. And in that sense, it is important to stress this issue of the assistance of the medical assistance to everyone who is there in the forum and needs it. It's critical for this aid to reach the hostages. Hamas creates as part of his psychological warfare as if it is humanitarian. It is not. My mom is the proof of the cruelty, the crazy cruelty of this group. And there are people there still that need urgent medical assistance. And all the international organizations must do everything. The state of Israel has to do everything in order to provide this medical aid as quickly as possible. Every hour is critical. As it was said here, if my mom would have come a day later, she would probably not be with us today. Even today, she is fighting for her breath. She is running a difficult fight, and we are with her. Thank you. Let it be clear, we are all hoping for Alma to get out of this situation and be a better condition. Another thing is that we see the leaders of the world responsible, and everyone who is transferring aid and money to these organizations and Hamas is a corporate of this crime against humanity, that there be no doubt. Professor Hagai Levine, head of the medical system of the hostage forum, you heard the painful statements of Ori and Tali. I follow them and their brother for 52 days since the massacre of October 7th. We knew because we received information from the families about the need, the life-saving need of some of them in medicine, some of them simple medicine that can be given to all the hostages for those who need it and save their lives. As Uzri said, we met with the Red Cross and begged them to do every effort to bring these medicines to Alma and to each and every one of the other hostages that are in need because some of them are dying. What we saw when we received Alma here at the Soroka Medical Center was a criminal neglect, neglect both in terms of the medical condition, and we heard Alma was independent, she was balanced, she was well functioning, she was happy. 52 days have brought her into a state that no human being should be in, complete loss of humanity and unreasonable. And I as a doctor, I know how diseases of this these problems occur. We don't see things like this in the world because no one reaches these stages today and the fact that that in the hands of Hamas she has reached such a state is a shame to the entire world. No one must be in a situation like this and we are here to ensure now that nothing similar will happen to the other hostages that also many of them need life-saving treatment, medicine and treating of their wounds. Therefore, the Israeli government, the US government, the leaders of Qatar must do every effort so that right now the hostages will be returned or for the very least the red. And we are going to return to studio with you, Zirabi, because one of the things that we've been talking about is how Hamas has entrenched itself, they've made themselves an existential enemy that isn't capable of inflicting this kind of blow on Israel and the needs actually win the war against them before Israel can be made safe. Again, they've bought themselves four days at the ceasefire, they could potentially buy themselves up to 10 under the current agreement, framework. How much damage can they do in those 10 days? How much strength can they regain? The thing is that they could reorganize themselves in the southern part, as I said, of the Gaza Strip. Khan Yunus is basically the homeland of Yahya Senwar and Muhammad Adave and they are very familiar with the neighborhood there on the spot. And they are going actually definitely to just repair their communications. This is not going to be an easy task. We can be sure about that. But I would like us to be familiar with the situation of Yahya Senwar. He ran out of what I would say kind of a saving wheels that he used to have before. For example, he thought of other fronts to be opened up. He thought of a flare up everywhere after the 7th of October. He got it partially. Definitely not in the volume that would rescue Hamas. Second, he thought that international pressure, as always, would make Israel actually to bring it to a halt. Until now, he is wrong. He thought that Israel is very weak because it is in sort of an internal rift or breach in itself. Well, Israel actually became very unified when it came to kind of a war in Gaza. So he was wrong. What he is left with, and this is very important to understand, is the hostages. This is his card. This time, he got kind of a number which is unheard of. And he would like to make the most of it because in sharp contrast to the recent rounds, so to speak, this time, he is negotiating for his own survival and Hamas survival. And the more Israel is adamant in its bid to uproot Hamas, the better in the sense of having levers by which to force Hamas to come up with kind of a much more, I would say, comfortable deal in Israeli terms. I know that, you know, we are in the midst of a very, very embarrassing in a way because we have the hostages within it and the sensitive and delicate situation. But as I said before, I see no option for Israel, but only actually to do that in the south and thereafter, admittedly thereafter in the north with Hezbollah, which is a much more tougher client to deal with. Why I'm saying that because I look at Israel inside and once again, Israel has to make sure that the society in Israel is bringing or getting kind of a sort of a confidence in its political echelons, leadership, etc. I heard this morning, actually, a guy who is running the civilians of the north, Moshe Davidovich, I'm not exactly remember what his role is, but he said, loud and clear, to the defense minister, we won't go back. You tell us actually go there. No, we are not going actually to have on ourself actually the recurrence of the same eventuality as was in the south. So what I'm trying to say here is that Israel in and out has to do the job. If somebody comes up with parole, parole, parole, we will wait and see this is a test for Israel and they or Israel must achieve the goals actually that were declared before the war. That's definitely a long road ahead on achieving those goals, though, in a month and a half of actual conflict, they've taken maybe 20% of Gaza at this point. Yeah, I mean, it's I mean, the road may be maybe one third of Gaza, but the road is, you know, is throat with challenges. Definitely. And I said before, it's not an easy task. It's not a test easy to grapple with. But here is the thing. The more the deeper Israel is getting closer to Khan Yunus and the Rafa, the better, because this is the only way by which you can actually provide a better position for negotiating with Hamas. This must be clear. There are other options thereafter. But if Israel is not getting closer to the Yahya Sinwar and his comrades there, Israel is emptied of any pressure or lever by which to pressurize Hamas. Either we're winning or we're losing. That seems to be the only way Thank you very much. Thank you. We are going to go on a short break now and we'll be back in three minutes continuing this discussion and so many others as we cover every aspect of Israel at war. We'll see you again very soon. Israel is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where she has. Our soldiers are fighting on the front lines, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. There have been countless memorable moments broadcasting with i24 news in the past six years. But for me, the one that stands out the most was the first time that I had ever personally heard a rocket siren sounding in Tel Aviv. And at that moment, we were live on air in studio. I will never forget the moment our senior producer said to me in my ear the sirens are sounding in Tel Aviv. The control room is going to the shelter. With me in studio at the time were Michael Herzog, a former Brigadier General. Today the Israeli ambassador to the United States and Arsene Ostrovsky, an international human rights lawyer and their responses were completely different. Michael Herzog was calm and composed and on the other hand Arsene Ostrovsky was trying to phone his family and check in to make sure that his loved ones were okay. The camera that normally faces us was hoisted from above. There was an overhead shot of the three of us in the studio. You could see colleagues going to the shelter if you looked at the glass behind the studio. And obviously we lost contact with our team on the ground, our reporters in Ashkelon and all the witnesses that we were speaking to during that time. When rockets are coming towards a residential area, they don't distinguish between race, religion, political views, cultural views. They just intend to harm civilians. And that moment being in studio, hearing those interceptions overhead was the most real coverage I've ever been involved in. Thank you for staying with us. The war is not just Israel and Gaza, it's not just Israel and Lebanon. It is gone well beyond those borders into an entire regional conflict. The US Navy vessel was fired upon as it interrupted the hijacking of a civilian cargo ship off the coast of Yemen. Blame for the launching of the two ballistic missiles and for the attempt to seize the freighter is being directed at the Houthis who have recently targeted Israeli linked vessels. With more, here's our correspondent Robert Swift. Two ballistic missiles were fired at a US Navy ship in the Gulf of Aden on Sunday. The USS Mason, a destroyer, was assisting a civilian cargo ship, the Central Park, when fired upon. No damage or casualties were reported. Five gunmen who had boarded the freighter and fled upon the approach of the Mason were detained. We say to the Zionist entity that any civilian or military vessel is considered a legitimate target. Those allied with the Zionists are also considered targets. The incident follows a drone attack on a commercial hauler, the Semi, last week in the Indian Ocean, reportedly by an Iranian-made Shahid 136. And on the 19th of November, the galaxy leader, a civilian vessel, was seized by a helicopter-born Houthi assault team. All three vessels have links to Israeli businessmen. The Houthis claim responsibility for the seizure of the galaxy leader. Iran, on the other hand, has denied involvement in the incidents. Resistance groups in the region represent themselves and their nation. They act independently based on their interests and that of their people. Claims to the contrary are meant to divert attention away from Israel's disastrous situation. Not party to the temporary ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, the Houthis have continued their operations uninterrupted while fighting in Gaza is paused. The U.S. is increasing presence in the waters around Yemen, in particular in the Red Sea, is likely an attempt to discourage or if need be to counter further attacks. With us still in studio, Professor Uzi Rabi, director of the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern Studies, Uzi, it's not enough to keep acting in a reactive fashion against Iran's proxies because they can keep arming them forever. They can keep on giving more and more enemies of Israel power around Israel. And unless something is struck against Iran itself, they're going to win in the long term. Well, and Iran is putting it to the test by trying actually to activate the Houthis in order to see actually what Israeli capabilities are when it comes to surface-to-surface missiles told a lot, when it comes to the sea lanes, when it comes to everything. In my opinion, what Israel should do is first of all actually to just, you know, have kind of a very, very close discussion with the United States about that. I would tell you why, because what the Houthis are doing is something which has, in my opinion, international repercussions. Look at where they are. They are getting closer to the streets of Babel Mandeb. They are getting closer to the most important sea lanes, actually, internationally speaking. And this has to do with Japan. This has to do with Europe. This has to do with the United States, even with China. I think that what Israel should do before actually attack the Houthis or doing, maybe this is also an option. But before that, Israel should internationalize this whole thing in the Red Sea or in the Arabian Sea, because what we got here is something which is very, very, you know, I mean, it raises the concern, not only of Israel, Saudi Arabia and others. And here you see actually the logic in building up all these axes, anti-Iranian, when it comes to the Middle East, anti-Chinese or Russian, when it comes to the global field. And basically, you can take Gaza just as a point of departure. It is a litmus test. If Israel is going actually to make sure that in the end Hamas is done as kind of a threat, this would definitely tell something about the future direction of the Middle East and maybe even the globe. And Biden here not only for personal reasons, so to speak, or sensitive reason or emotional reasons, which is there with him. It's not only that. Beyond that, on top of that, there are some questions about this whole region, the Middle East, which was neglected by the Americans for Chinese penetration. And now actually what the Americans are trying to do is just to repair some of the damage. This is it. Hamas, Hezbollah, the bad guys should be uprooted. All these normalizations between Saudi Arabia and Israel should be renewed. And here is what we're going to have. We're going to have an access of those guys who would like actually to block the bad guys from fulfilling their missions and whims. And basically we are here. I think that it's much bigger than Gaza versus Israel or Hamas versus Israel. What the Houthis actually are coming up with is kind of an indication that this war is much more bigger. And I think it's time for the United States to start attacking Iranian targets in Syria and Iraq. And while saying that, having said that, we have to remember that the Americans are being attacked there by Iranian militias in Iraq and in the eastern part of Syria. If the United States means business, it is high time to send a message to Iraq. Uzi, the United States just got out of two forever wars in the Middle East and it's an election year at that. Getting into another war in the Middle East is political suicide, not just for a sitting president, but his entire party for decades. How can you trust the United States to actually act? You are right. I know that. I mean, I'm familiar with the fact, but there must be kind of a point where the United States should say enough is enough to get to Iran. You know, Iran, I mean, they are so cunning, so shrewd in that. And they are just putting all things into the test in order to see actually how far they can get. You have to send a message because the message is something that would tell Iran that this is the red line. You cannot cross it. If the United States is not coming up with that, Iran would go on with all these skirmishes, attacks, missiles actually in the Houthis. I think that we are here. We have to say that, you know, if we would like to have Iran in the picture, this would be definitely the recipe for a regional war. So I mean, you know, we are in a slippery slope. If they are going to go on with that, somebody could do a mistake and we are crossing the no return line. So I guess that it's time for, I'm not saying full or regional war, but the United States definitely can send a message. Definitely can send a message. Let's certainly hope the United States understands the precariousness of its position in the region right now. We're going to continue this in a brief moment, but we do have some updates from our correspondent, Pierre Koshlinger, who is standing by at the Schneider Children's Medical Center. Pierre, what is the current status of all the hostages? They're still being evaluated, both medically and psychologically, and their families are with them. And some of the details about their predicament in captivity is filtering out with the testimony, the indirect testimony of the grandparents, for instance, because many of them are being assisted by their grandparents. So we heard, you know, the grandfather, one of the grandfathers of the Brothettes family from Kfaraza, three children and a mother were freed yesterday from captivity. He says that the kids are fine, you know, they're solid, they're resilient. He says also that they know about what happened in October 7. They were the first witness, by the way. They don't talk much about it, but they know what happened to other families. Their family particularly has been saved from the massacres of October 7. But then you have the Goldstein-Almok family. Again, one mother, three kids aged between 17 and 11. The kids know that their father and their elder sister died. They saw it. They were taken abducted into captivity. They don't talk about it again. But they play, you know, they play with Lego. They play with their phones, with their tablets. They were deprived of their phones and tablets for 51 days. So they, you know, in a sense, they show some sort of resilience. They're smiling. Now, they lost their father and daughter and sister. They know about that. They don't talk about it. Avigaili Dan, who marked her fourth birthday in captivity last Friday, she was released yesterday. She saw her father and her mother being murdered. She was covered by her father, and she was covered by her father's blood. She managed to escape. She was only three and almost four. She went to their neighbors, the Brodach family. And by luck in that disaster, she was taken with them. So, and they were not separated in captivity. So she stayed with them and they knew each other because they were neighbors. Now, Avigaili is exhausted. First of all, because she came back late, 10.30 in the evening is late for a little girl of four years old. But also because all the attention she got and also the fact that there's so many strangers around. So she was a bit frightened, but she kept smiling, according to her grandfather. She kept smiling, but she doesn't talk about her parents. She knows what happened to her parents. And that sorrow is sealed in her heart. But she asks about her two brothers and sister, Michael and Amalia, nine and six. They hid in the closet, while their parents, Smadar and Rui, were murdered. They hid in the closet for 14 hours, but they escaped free because the IDF came finally after 14 hours and took them away from the site of the massacre in Kfar Azar. So she's asking, Avigail. She's asking about Michael, about Amalia. She wants to see them. She'll probably see them tomorrow, says the grandfather. All that, you know, all these little bits and pieces of stories we hear here. But we don't exactly know the depth, the extent of what they lived. We know from doctors that they were malnourished. For the past two weeks, at least, they were fed only with a little bit of rice and pita bread. They slept on the floor without mattress or on plastic benches or plastic chairs. They were exhausted. They didn't distinguish between day and night because they were probably in a damp tunnel, dark tunnel, so they didn't see the light of day. And they didn't know. They were completely disoriented. So these are the little stories that we hear here at Schneider Hospital's Medical Center. Pierre, it's horrifying. His story is a snapshot into hell itself and how you are going to reassure children after that. I can't even begin to imagine. We're going to turn back to the studio for a little bit with Uzi Robbie still. We have every day more and more testimony of the absolute evil of Hamas, the things that they have done. And yet European partners and allies still can't seem to find the backbone. You had mentioned that we're on the cusp of an international conflict. But despite that, the Europeans are still calling for complete ceasefires with Hamas. I mean, do they not have a role to play in an international conflict that will affect them too? Listen, I mean, that's very, very sad, what you just said. I think that what Israel should do always is to make sure that this analogy between Hamas and ISIS is being strengthened, being actually getting some teeth to it by providing or introducing everybody with what happened here. But I would dare say also two things about Europe. Europe should understand that West is next when it comes to such atrocities in the Middle East. We have seen that in both cases, Qaeda and ISIS. They know it. If they are doing that because they are afraid of their Muslim constituencies in their own respective states, you know what, Israel, Europe is doomed. I'm not telling you why. This is high time for the European leadership to start dealing with that problem. And in my opinion, the other thing that we must or must be reckoned with is the Jews in the world. World Jewry is on the threat here. And we have to think or rethink about the relationship between Israel and the Jews in order to make it better for both. That's actually a perfect time to bring in our next point because joining us in this conversation is going to be a journalist from Britain right now, Josh Rom, who is commenting on what we've seen in the streets of London over the past few weeks. Hundreds of thousands of pro-Hamas protesters just a couple of weeks ago condemning Israel, demanding a ceasefire that would grant Hamas victory. Well, finally, we've seen some sort of response from pro-Israel demonstrators just yesterday. At least 50,000 strong. Josh, it's good to have you with us. Describe exactly what we were seeing in London and what the ramifications of that might be. Well, we've seen scenes of widespread antisemitism in London. We've seen over the past since October the 7th, pro-Palestinian protesters have taken to the streets every single Saturday. That is every single Shabbat. You know, even on the day after October the 7th, before a single shot had even been fired in self-defense, pro-Palestinian protesters took to the streets. But yesterday really was a history-making moment. Over 105,000 people from across the UK, both Jewish and Gentile, Jewish and Israeli allies alike, took a stand and marched from the Royal Courts of Justice down the embankment and to Parliament Square in London to take a stand against the scenes of antisemitism that we've seen taken across the UK that we've seen. You know, we've seen just even yesterday, the day of this history-making march, we saw an anti-Israel and frankly an anti-Semitic protester start verbally abusing Jewish passengers on the train in London. So this was a huge moment where, you know, we had a few politicians there. Tom Toukenhart was there, Robert Jenrick was there. From the UK government, we had British celebrities like Tracey Anne Oberman, TV broadcaster Vanessa Felt, all marching with Jews from across the country and also non-Jewish allies taking a stand against antisemitism, but also indicating support for Israel because whatever Israel does has a widespread effect on Jews across the diaspora. So this was a huge statement saying we are not going to take antisemitism on the streets in London or across the UK anymore. And it really wasn't unprecedented. And also, dare I say, not dare I say, this was a peaceful march, you know, the pro-Palestinian protesters. We've seen signs saying keep the world clean with Star of David's being put in the bin. You know, even yesterday, the chief rabbi, you know, called for the civilians in Gaza and expressed worry for the civilians in Gaza. This was very much a peaceful march. Very few arrests were made, if any, arrests except for one right-wing extremist who, dare I, who the campaign against antisemitism explicitly stated was not welcome on the march. So, you know, there was a real emphasis of bring our hostages home. We're not going to take antisemitism on the streets and also a call for peace. But it's not really that simple. Certainly at the higher levels of the political establishment, there is support for Israel, at least on paper, at least in statement. But practically speaking, we see the voting base of the country heavily divided. If you do polling in London, support for the Palestinian side is probably higher than it is for the Israeli side. We've seen police not intervening in any of the displays of violence at the pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas protests we've seen across London. And that divide, well, certainly you see upper levels saying one thing. The streets have their own voice and that's sometimes a lot more important. And I also want to let our analyst here, Uzi Rabi, jump into this discussion because you have some points to make as well during this. But first, I want to let Josh, I want to answer that one. And this is the point because point of the unprecedented in history making protests yesterday was also protesting the police inactivity when it comes to these anti-Semitic incidents that we've seen on our streets. And I was part of the campaign against anti-Semitism protests a few weeks back outside Scotland Yard in the centre of London, demanding that the police take more action when it comes to this. Saying that, I think what you were describing about the divides, I think first of all, foremost, there's a lot of misconceptions when it comes to this conflict on a wider scale, especially on social media. Israel was fighting a misinformation war. There's a lot of talk about proportionality, a lot of talk about self-defense and what constitutes that. And people I think very casually forget that Israel, the only reason why Israeli cities do not look like Gaza at the moment is because of the Iron Dome technology. So I think there's a lot of misconceptions on social media. Like any society, Britain is divided politically, not just over the Israeli conflicts, but also there are of course wider political issues at play with dealing with things like the cost of living crisis, sorry, government. So I think almost people, some people use this Israel conflict as a kind of microcosm for wider political issues. But I will say, especially if yesterday's march was anything to go by, you know, part of the reason why we are marching as a community, friends of Israel, allies to the Jewish community is to take a stand against or not to take a stand because we do thank the police for doing their jobs and keeping us or at least attempting to keep us safe. But also to protest the inactivity that's been going on and saying a big fat no to anti-Semitism. Uzi, do we even have the power to beat these false narratives that Josh is talking about? Well, we should try actually to do our utmost efforts to fight back, because this is something which is becoming, it's not a wave, it's a tsunami. And if we are not going to do something about that, I am afraid that European Jewry would find itself under a siege by all means and proposals, a siege. And this is why- There already is a siege. Sorry? There already is a siege yesterday. We're trying to never again is now. We've been seeing propaganda on the streets of London on placards at these pro-Palestinian protests. That is akin to 1930s Germany during the height of the Holocaust. That is why we take to the streets to say never again is now. Yeah, but what I tried actually also to notice is that for years, it's not just out of the blue what you see here. For years, Hamas, Mars and brothers and others, I mean, basically hold networks of financial nature and operational stuff that is very, very well evident in both London, France, et cetera. We know that there are some associations, Muslim associations, so to speak, who are financing actually the activities of Hamas, of Muslim brothers and others. We know on the other hand that Iran is playing actually trying to fund the flame with its apparatus there. It has been long that we do see that. If you are going to add to the Islamic green, what I would call the progressive red, you would get what actually in America we see it's the red green alliance. This is very dangerous. And I think I hope it's not too late, but we have to fight it back because it's becoming kind of a real tsunami under which actually, as I said before, European Jewry is at a risk. And there is kind of an existential questions that are coming to the fore. It is time for us, Israel and Jews, to act together and see what we can to do in order actually to change this rhythm and direction of things because this is very dangerous. I actually want to build off of that last point because in England, particularly championed by the left, we did see the British state and the British police giving enormous amounts of power to shut down discussion, to shut down extremism. At least 4,000 arrests every single year in England for tweets online that go against political narratives or offensive. These powers exist for a reason. This would be the time to use it against extremism. Why do we not see the establishment using the powers that they gave themselves against an actual rise in extremism and anti-Semitism? Well, I think to a certain extent they are using those powers. There has, we have seen an increase of 1,350% of anti-Semitic incidents. And the government has been at least, has tried to act quickly in trying to offer reassurances to the Jewish community here. I think there is this kind of quandary about freedom of speech because, of course, supporting Palestinian self-determination doesn't necessarily mean you support Hamas. A lot of us believe and passionately believe in a two-state solution and continue to advocate for that as well as, of course, the right for Israel to exist and defend itself. So I think there's a lot of quandary about that. There is a different sort of atmosphere in this country when it comes to these debates as well. I think the British government has been kind of very clear in saying, we support Israel's right to exist and defend itself. We support Israel's right to get these hostages back. But I think, I'm not sure if it's necessarily there is this particular answer for it. I just, I think, because this anti-Semitism has been so widespread. I'm going to pass to Uzi because he wants to respond. What these guys are saying, it's not either Hamas or Fatah. We have to understand that from the river to the sea, Palestine would be free. This is desionization of Israel. You have to understand that. We are under attack, which comes from there. I completely understand this. And this is why the government has actually banned that chant from the river to the sea, being taunted from near Jewish synagogues and Jewish sites because they do recognize there is this kind of vibe of intimidation, so to speak. But we are seeing that the political establishment is recognizing this and they are starting to jump in. I want to thank both of you for being in the studio with me, Josh, for helping us understand the voice of the street there in London, in England, as a whole right now, and the political staff in Uzi. I must understand the stakes internationally. That said, for everyone else, we are out of time for our show, so I wanted to thank everyone for being here. Thank you. Also, for watching that said, we're not