 Bob Cook here again. We're talking about this wonderful model of Hawkins and Sherwoods which is a seven-eyed model supervision. First came out in their book 1989 Supervision and Health and Professions. I teach this model a lot to therapist supervisors and this is a series of videos to start explaining clinically what I've been teaching for a long time and we've done the first mode which is behavioral observations and skills and painting a picture of the client. We've done the second which is looking at clinical theory, treatment, intervention, focusing and where the supervisor will go. We've looked at the third and fourth stages which is all about transference, counter-transference and systemic desensitisation. We looked at five which is talking about parallel processes and that's really six as well. And now on to the last real part of this model which used to be called the organisation mode and more recently they've included the wider context as a whole, societies as a whole as well as organisations and we're going to finish off the seventh stage and I've got one in the Oaks here again for our seventh one and I was thinking about the organisational mode and well we can just have a talk about it being you rather than play it out and then what I was thinking of most and be interested in what you're thinking of was about harm and protection. When you said and I can't remember which model it was now but you said maybe using the second I think it was a little about treatment and contracts yes you were talking about well it's a really real life existential life of death that he might kill himself yeah and I thought oh for your client then what might you can't do so I was thinking in terms of our ethics in the transaction analysis world you know and ethical codes so if you were to think of ethical codes or organisational issues what what occurs to you? Well it occurs to me that I have no control over my client's son because even the police didn't know who it was so I think that although it's very sad I don't think ethically I've got I've got anything to kind of concern myself about. In terms of my client she never mentioned she's going to take your own life there was never any quite clear you know and she talks a lot about the future a lot about you know I've not brought that but other daughter she's got a daughter but she never she never she never brought that you know she did she did say that he was a drug user and he was buying drugs but she never said who she was buying them off and there was never any kind of indication that he was trafficking them in other words he was bringing lutser, cocaine or heroin so I wasn't there's no real ethics no real ethics. So in terms of organisations one of the things I was thinking about which profit didn't come into this but I'd like to bring in the conversation is the three-way contracts things like you know contracts with the husband and contracts with her or whether you know I think the charity work particularly whether which is an interesting question often asked in mode seven sure which is does the charity or even if it was a school for example yeah what's their policy towards you know if they think I clients going to kill themselves or harm themselves or you know I think if drugs here or criminal issues do is anything built in about sharing confidentiality or anything that they need to know. That's a good point Bob so I worked with the BACP Keldar Ethics and I make an amalgam of that with the policies and procedures of the organisation and then that lives in the contract yeah so I joined them together and then the client has a clear understanding of what constitutes me breaching confidentiality and the two real differences is harm to self and harm to others that the organisation has yeah so in other words you're saying built into your contract you might breach confidentiality to the organisation if you thought it was live yeah if I thought that my client was in the process of going to you know commit suicide or cause serious harm to herself or others yeah and of course I know that you work in schools I did yeah so I've always been interested in the three-way contract between the school the client and you know the counsellor yeah so how does that work well in the school I worked up we we had a contract that was was written in a way that we could share relevance information but generally speaking it was it was the same contract as an adult one they were very they were very okay about that so so I must know that you've worked in situations where the stakeholders which may want yeah when I worked I didn't work as a counsellor in a working the hostel and they had a you know I've known that some rehabilitation organisations have a clear part of confidentiality if someone's topping the medication up with street drugs that they'd have that the counsellor have to break confidentiality so for instance it's not unusual for someone taking together a script of methadone or another form of block or something like that yeah but what they're worried about is that if they take that and they top it with street it could have a heart attack or could make themselves so it's not unusual for for the organisational contracts include if you tell me you're using street drugs then then I will have to break confidentiality because you usually have a doctor within the within the clinical setting who could then take a view of what they're using and alter the yeah interesting yeah okay that seems very clear okay so this is what I'm happening mode seven these are the sort of organisational questions you could have okay I think we've come to the end of this thank you very much will we I think that's been marvellous I know this has been made up and it's been quite a stretch for you but yes interesting thing in the break which is off camera yes it's that it became quite live for you even though this is amazing it's really interesting and the background is last night I took a cue from friends of my new actors and I wrote a backstory for this person and then learned the backstory so that's what actors do isn't it and that's what I've been doing today I've been acting and but what I wasn't prepared for was having to put emotions on to this person that's never existed in my life and and to react to those so if there's any Oscars doing the rounds you know I am