 Good evening. Welcome to Montpelier Civic Forum and we are discussing the issues that will be up before vote in November and we have the candidates for Washington County for for the House. We have the State Senate candidates from Washington County and we also have the sewer bond and we have the municipal growth of proposed municipal garage. So we've got a lot of topics we have a lot of shows all of them are really interesting and you really ought to watch all of them and today we have a candidate for Washington County for the House District and we have Glennie Sewell who is sitting right next to me. Well I appreciate you having me here this evening thank you. Well I appreciate you being here. With all what the schedule the way it is that was amazing I could come. Glennie the schedule as it is what do you do? I teach I'm an adjunct professor of English at Norwich University. I've been teaching there for the last two plus years and happily as far as I'm concerned I truly enjoy the process. I also occasionally teach for the community college of Vermont. Same topic. I essentially yes you know reading and writing for college composition those sorts of things but yes essentially and I also have some I have some outside editing jobs that I do as well as well as other hobbies. Is this your first run for office? No this is my fourth. What did you run for before? Both the same thing for the same thing 2012, 14, 16 and 18 now. Now you're the standard bearer for the Progressive Party. Well I wouldn't afford it that way but I try to do my best to to push forward the progressive the progressive ideas as much as possible perhaps not every single last word there's always a little bit of difference here and there that you know that you know we try to debate on but for the most part yeah. What is difference between the Progressive Party and the Democratic Party in in Vermont? Well this is really going to be coming from my point of view. Your own perspective. My own perspective but for me the difference is first of all complete clarity and complete transparency with the process that we're running in the government the idea of not making sure you know where our funding is coming from making sure that you're aware of who's in our in our pocket or not in our pocket of how we vote why we vote what we've done who's paying us who's not paying us these kind of ideas and that we're upholding the ideas that our Constitution makes high claim for and that would some of those be? I mean when we talk about pursuit of happiness for instance when we talk about the US Constitution I'm talking about the greater Constitution that covers all 50 states and to me that since most constitutions I believe state constitutions have to come off of that one have to build themselves off of the of the federal Constitution that we do we need to actually follow the prescriptions that come from the US Constitution and that people can be happy have a pursuit of happiness healthcare be able to support their families and not be running to the ground to have education most especially have education available to them higher education not just and and I don't mean and I don't mean to ignore secondary education for children primary and secondary absolutely that these things are made available and made available affordably these are the kind of ideas that I push for and to me that there can't be an if or a but in those statements nor can it involve corporations that that want to push their own standards without without having the public know about what's going on so what's number one problem in Vermont right now number one problem yes sir accessibility or affordable accessibility and affordability along with the second issue of higher education in Vermont how would we pay for health care expansion we seem to be if we're talking about we are we are we seem to be well okay we seem to be putting more money into shipping nonviolent offenders out to other state prisons Tennessee Pennsylvania Mississippi then we are putting it into our health care system or placing it into our higher education system we say that we don't have money but yet we do actually have money I truly do we believe we do where those areas are I'd like to study that others have studied it there has been an entire study done on higher education funding in Vermont I saw the file for that but I think that there needs to be more done but there is a way I think of expanding health care without pushing out people who can't afford to pay 200 something dollars a month on on on health care expansion I most certainly myself couldn't afford that there's got to be a better way and a cheaper way I certainly can't afford a little bit of monthly absolutely but there are people who are single and only have one job and a high rent apartment or home or mortgage what have you who simply cannot afford hundreds of dollars a month on on it to pay into health care and they still have to eat they still have to rent pay rent they still have to pay utilities and that money extra money is not coming in from anywhere else now other states are experimenting with skinny health care and skinny health care allows for insurers just to give basic minimum mental health is not covered women's health is not covered existing conditions can be exempted but the premiums are low every month and it offers a bare bones health care would you allow that in the state of we don't currently allow that in the state of Vermont no flat out no because first of all mental health is not covered much of the human race needs needs work with mental health absolutely and I don't mean that as an insult at all of everyone needs help with mental health from time to time and that needs to be included that needs to be an actual function of affordable health care women's health I think it's time that we quit ignoring women's health it seems to be absurd that there were even talking about it it's like we're still talking about skin color still talking about gender still talking about all of these ridiculous things that are all portioned a part of the human race why are we still separating them out women's health needs to be absolutely included it not even as a separate thing it is part of the health you know the health care that's offered anything under women's health anything under men's health whatever there is needs to completely apply otherwise you're not offering health care you're offering an aspirin and that's all you're offering this this nonsense of skinny health care if you cough here's an aspirin go out the door that's all that is that's all that sounds like to me now that sounds ridiculous and perhaps it is but it honestly sounds like it's an easy way to skirt the ACA and all the attempts to destroy the ACA to remove its funding affordable care to remove its funding by the latest administration latest latest national administration which I don't want to name but the the the the attempts to destroy that and allow insurance companies to once again count pre-existing conditions I think that's atrocious truly whoever people voted for whether left right it doesn't really matter all of them deserve health care truly comprehensive health care now if that means we pay for that if that means someone like myself or anyone that has to pay an extra dollar or two dollars or three dollars or five out of my check monthly to put into a pot that allows that money to be used to pay for health care then fine I'll do it if it helps more people no granted we have this these discussions where someone says why should I pay for that person's for that person's care fixing their teeth or why should I pay for that that why shouldn't you are we not our brother's keeper what goes around comes around I know these are things people have always heard before or I just want to be treated like I would treat anyone else well then that's it be that the case I'm going to give for that I'll give that extra five dollars to make sure the roads are fixed to make sure the health care is out there to make sure everyone has some sort of food on the table even if even if their income doesn't meet minimum standards did they get some sort of help something it's not going to sink me by any means to pay an extra five dollars out of my check to help out on these situations it will not sink me of course I'll pay for it we want this quote free society and we want you know all the things that we carp in catawall about in regards to our nation but yet we're unwilling to pay for it I am not saying is there an affordability question in Vermont is not too expensive Vermont Vermont can certainly be too expensive it is it's getting that way with franting this is what got me running in the first place in 2012 is when it comes to housing just basic levels of housing now I had called someone and Vermont about a year ago about the cost of brand new housing that was going up here in downtown and the person said well you know it's eight hundred and something dollars a room for a four room apartment per room and I said why so expensive that's Chittenden County rates but this isn't Chittenden County and that would price out people living right nearby and push them out of their homes this is the same thing going on in larger cities like in California where I've been over and over San Francisco and other places is a way of pricing people out and pushing them out and I got into running originally because of housing issues fair housing issues so what would a fair housing issue be a fair housing issue would be people living when I first when we first lived here we lived in a location in South Burlington where not only was there mold growing in the bathroom but there was lead paint peeling off the building itself the building was not completely insulated there was insulation work that had been done back in the 70s it was never completed and that part of the building 70s or 80s and that part of the building was not completed it actually was not sealed all the way up to the top and work had simply stopped and also the electrics in the building were 1960s to 1940s to 60s and yet it was always getting a pass by the fire department and yet also I found myself reaching through a window in the building to pop its its to pop its electrical box so that it would turn back turn the electric back on because from time to time it would pop out across the entire building and a tiny building but it would pop out and I would have to reach through a window into a utility closet and pop the and pop the electrics they were old in that building and again the building was always getting a pass and I always believed look at the local issue another state issue that it needs if it were handled correctly in a low on the at the local level I wouldn't have had to deal with it but if the state honestly needs to get into a situation where the electrics are not up to date there's mold growing there needs to be state standards leveled at these sort of issues because I honestly don't believe that enough there are enough people thinking about it on a local level to handle it so the state needs to actually put out some sort of standards for that when the state puts out standards everyone thinks act 250 what's your feeling on act 250 is land use act in terms of approving land use do you have feelings on that I don't have enough feelings on it but there needs to I I'm in regards to land use act I'm completely a part of building affordable structures so that affordable homes affordable apartments affordable places so that we can get as many homeless cleaned up off the streets so that they can have a place to start over so that they can get help finding jobs finding work and not be out here in the freezing cold begging for money they should be able to I mean and I'd be willing to give money into a system that goes directly to helping them out instead of just handouts on the street do we spend enough on social services on the state level I'm not really certain about how much we do spend on social services on the state or the impact of the state level spending not the aggregate amount do you feel that the state has enough of an impact in the social service realm our social service is sufficient in this state I'm not sure and see I'd have to compare that to to other locations in order to answer it clearly but to be very honest when we roll back to mental health in that in that location in that I mean in that subject I'm not sure we are as sufficient because I see so many people again who are homeless who have serious mental mental issues who are out in the cold and to be very honest I know we can't help 100% but I think that we can get 99% there's always going to be someone who wants to be out in the cold or who wants to live out who wants to live off the grid that's not those aren't the folks I'm talking about I'm talking about the other 99% of the people who don't want to be outside and who don't who have problems who are roaming around screaming to themselves and clearly they need serious help and I've and and like in the larger cities I see people just walk by them or walk over them and that's heartbreak that that's a crushing heartbreak I really think that we can do better Vermont likes to stand out as the state as the state that's above so many but we have so much further for so much so much further to go in regards to how we act towards the least the least of us those that have the least those that have the biggest problems those that are out in the cold those who are ignored on on several different levels several different levels to include income inequality and social inequality how should the state be addressing income inequality I think the state has been has been addressing this with with trying to push the minimum wage which hasn't gotten through the legislature and had a promised veto if it did get through the legislature so we need to we really need to keep pushing because I think the legislature has been working hard to try and fix that I realize that the the cost of living is actually going to push up over time as a result and it would be mine as it would be the same as if we were being paid 725 10 years ago I get that but for right now we still need to grow the minimum wage above what it is until we until we can get to a slightly higher standard it will help out some people it will help what will be the impact on small business on small family business I'm hoping that the impact will would be would not be so hard at if it grows over if the minimum wage goes up a piece at a time over a few years and not 15 dollars right something yeah to something that isn't going to thrust them suddenly bring it up 50 cents then a dollar then over time slowly so that small businesses can adjust to that over time and see how it's going to affect them we can't do it all at once all of a sudden we jump up the $15 that's untenable and it would certainly damage small businesses so my idea is the same as what the legislature has been doing by by making it incremental over the years up to what 2020 2022 somewhere in there so I mean I agree I agree with that step I don't agree with a promised veto because to me that completely works against the working-class families of the state completely goes against the lower middle classes of the state that are trying desperately to meet bills and how can anyone justify being able to veto that so that's that's that's that's my question to the governor you know how did you justify that how do you really justify in vetoing an incremental uptick in income in basic income over the next several years how do you justify vetoing that now in the simple three minutes we have three minutes to answer a three-hour question how would you deal with school finance school finance I'm gonna go back to what I had said about about how much money we seem because I don't have all the figures and I'm not gonna pretend like I do that we seem to be putting into nonviolent offenders and outplay being placed into out of state prisons and we don't have the capacity to place I realize I realized that but I but here's my here here's what I've just said nonviolent offenders people who don't really need to be in a prison so we can find other ways to handle the situation with nonviolent offenders but we put a lot of money into that that needs to they can go into higher education why are we 40 when we're talking about primary and secondary education that okay so you're talking about primary and second I'm talking about primary and secondary I'll get to higher education in a moment okay and well I don't see why that can't still apply primary and secondary education should not be it's a guarantee of the state of any state so it should there should be a set amount of funding and it should truly be a higher amount that a higher amount of funding and again we can take take from places like prison and do prison reform in order in order to make sure education actually gets into view can educate kids on the lower on the lowest levels of education primary and secondary you might not have issue with a lot of going to prison at a later date so we need to pump more into education and give them a voice because not giving them a voice leads to a lot of trouble in our society do you feel the number of school districts that we have there might be greater efficiencies what was your feeling on consolidation consolidation I think because I realized buildings have to be maintained I realized it takes a great deal of money for school systems to maintain structures and and so in some cases I think consolidation works bringing kids together and local areas closer counties where they can go to school at a central point in a few areas that might be too far away and it might not work I don't think it works on a percent of the time but I think that that's something that has to be taken on a case by case basis some places can consolidate because their buildings might be falling apart and they do it's going to take way more money to to support the actual infrastructure where the schools are so put them in a central but you wouldn't you wouldn't get it class size at extremely small schools class when it comes to class size I I would say for me class size is really important because when I was teaching when I was teaching secondary education in middle school as well the class size was about 20 where I where I lived and that was about it was 15 to 20 so that was about the maximum size that I thought this particular case people are talking about a class of four or five we're talking about the state subsidizing micro schools okay so and and to me that that's a whole another different issue because class size is a four or five that's I wouldn't classify that a classroom that would classify that more of a more of a core conferencing than a than a classroom and that that's done in college where you have small conference courses which is what those are I don't know what the official name of them are but it that's more of an there is a word that's on the tip of my tongue about what those are called but it's not actually a classroom per se but it's more of a close conferencing again I don't know the official name of that but but the question is micro schools one through eight where you have 50 kids is the state responsibility to maintain micro schools if they are far enough out like in the Northeast Kingdom and other places where there's a great deal of distance between themselves in the next major system then yeah I can see supporting those if they're too far away to be consolidated I just I can I can see supporting them but not the whole state if there are places where that are close enough for consolidation one two the buildings that they are actually in stars are not maintained very well and the standards that those kids need to be able to be given you know textbook standards computer standards good building and it's not hot in the in the early parts of summer when they're in school it's not freezing when they're in winter if those standards can be upheld and they're far enough away from another from another centralized system I say leave them alone would you finance some education on income or property say that again would you finance primary and secondary education on the income tax or the property tax I would do it mostly I would honestly try a minimal amount on income tax I would actually do it that way instead of on property taxes I think that enough funding is does enough property taxes as it is for people to pay into education I think a little bit more I mean like I say a dollar or two a month out of a person's check going into a central system to to fund education there's there's enough already on property taxes I've seen people that have to pay so much on property taxes as it is at some point there needs to be a cutoff on that there needs to be a cutoff on how much you are charging people on the property that they already own so there needs to be a percentage cutoff add a dollar or two to the to the income tax to income instead for years the progressives have talked about the tax system of Vermont and whether the tax system of Vermont is advantageous to the poor middle class upper class do you feel that our tax structure our tax code is what it should be I'm not going to pretend to even be familiar with our tax code I'm not an economist so I don't quite I'm not quite familiar with our tax code that's why I became a writer instead of a mathematician but but from what I can tell from how other states operate to include our own I almost never see what would be considered an advantageous tax system just for them being tax systems alone isn't advantageous the very idea of taxing the population without reason without reason on so many different things instead of just core things taxing a culture on the roads on their schools on their health care minimum each because when it gets into the pot that's a lot of money those are fine but when you have to create a massive code it seems to be it seems to be shy stirring the population out of out of money that that's been well made well deserved and is outside the core issues of again utilities education roads higher education those kind of issues those fine you don't really need a massive tax code for those but for a massive tax code for all these other issues I'm suspicious of that sort of thing when we speak of the state budget it's required by our constitution to be balanced and at the last legislature at the very end when we had surplus funds and it was discussed we were talking about the pension funds and the pension obligations of the future how would you square the teacher's pension fund that that is just lingering underneath the surface of the state budget and and when you talked about roads and bridges and like our infrastructure do you feel that we've we're spending enough on our infrastructure we are only I from what I'm witnessing it seems that we are only just barely spending enough on on some infrastructure roads are that are slowly being worked on in the area and that's just in the area that I can view where I am I cannot speak to other areas of Vermont but I don't I can't say whether or not enough is being spent on infrastructure I just realize and notice that it takes a while to get things done with infrastructure in regard again in regards to teacher pension well what if pension was actually is actually an agreement signed in the contract for teachers then the state is obligated to meet absolutely and the question is how do we meet that pension within our existing budget with it lingering under the surface as more and more teachers retire and the needs grow you know again with the kinds of like I say when I said any worse than two to five dollars would have you per month just a piece of just a piece of of that being cut up and placed in in the teacher's pension I'm fine with that just like if it were a part of health care pensions I'm fine I'm fine with someone wants to put 50 cents per person into the teacher's pension for all the stuff for all the taxes that come through for education that's fine that that education that little bit of tax for education a piece of that needs to automatically be put into teacher's pension that needs to be part of the rule for where that tax money goes sure it goes to books it goes to computers it goes to making sure the buildings are up to code and teachers pensions and pensions for the people who clean up who are who are mopping the floors who are who are who are secretary new secretary old duties behind desks and who work in the library all of that should be the things where these are broken up into where everyone who works to maintain that educational system to its highest standard is actually made we make sure we watch after them and pay that I know that sounds all and that sounds all like tree huggy but no it sounds like something that we we should require constitutionally even state constitutionally what about parental leave should that be mandated that the people should give parental leave in the state paid parental leave as in for for people who are about to have children yes or people who have family medical emergencies oh my goodness if there is a family emergency then I tell you what I'm going to if I ever had children and I'm going I'm going to be there for my child everything else will get will get dropped temporarily while I'm trying to handle family issues whether it's my mother or some future children or what have you or my partner or what have you those are the things that need to get looked at that's family family I even teach this one I'm teaching community college family comes first if you're sick there's medical issues then that needs to come first class class will come later and I'll deal with that but but blood is blood or even non-blood families doesn't matter it comes first how do we pay for that we have to or is that a private responsibility for people to take out insurance private insurance towards that and we're going back to insurance again and when it comes to medical that when it comes to medical especially medical issues that needs to be addressed under healthcare that needs to be addressed under the types of healthcare that are offered so that people can take leave and that needs to be respected a system says no you can't take medical leave of course you can why wouldn't you be able to take medical leave you need to take care of someone if a child is born but should it be paid up to a point yes I would say that up to up to a certain length of time yes what that length of time should be I cannot judge but yes it absolutely how would you fund that I can't be certain okay not certain of that I won't even pretend to be certain of that but we have to find a way to make that work now I don't think it's going to sink the ship trying to figure that out I want to walk you through a couple of hot button issues from the last legislative session what where do we go on marijuana from here as we decriminalized and partially legalized what's the next step in your mind we legalize it period how do we control it and you again control it the same way you control tobacco you know yeah do the exact same way we do tobacco the thing is is that tobacco or liquor those are two different systems we have we have tobacco and liquor that can really cause serious issues with with health far faster than anything any damage marijuana can do so the thing is is if we figure oh we're gonna have so so much problems I'm thinking yeah well we've had greater problems with alcohol and tobacco and and yet we've left those legal and you can see what making those illegal did to our system it created a massive criminal enterprise and back in the 20s and 30s you know when that was all in the 20s when that was made illegal do you feel the state has a role in regulating this well the state's going to make it legal I'm not sure they have a role in regulating it but they have the option to regulate it if they want to but to me um go the way of California and legalize it for um recreational use within the state I'm not saying to do anything outside the state people really shouldn't travel with it between state lines because that's still a federal issue but in so far in so far it's just getting not only getting rid of it as an issue in the state but releasing people out of prison who you know grandfather who who've been in because of marijuana so we can get get that monkey offer back and stop having to pay for people who are you know put money into people who've been in jail for nonviolent offenses like weight weight offenses I'm not talking harsh drugs that's that's a whole another thing that needs to be handled and also handle in a system that is not always penal people who have hard drug issues need help they need help getting off they need the mental help they don't need to be thrown into a prison for some sort of get back at that person for being a horrible person for taking drugs we're talking people who need help who need treatment weed and these other issues can be used in treatment you know and we know this medically prescription drug abuse or opioids what's your thought on that and the state's response to opioid again this this goes back to treatment this goes back to the need for people to have treatment also this this needs to be addressed in the health system and the health care system where doctors are just prescribing pain medicine from the corporations from the drug corporations that create them because they're getting paid for it that needs to be dealt with and if the feds aren't going to deal with that then the states need to deal with it and that includes Vermont needs to deal with I don't I can't say that you need to penalize doctors who are pushing drugs but something needs to occur to stop them from just writing out paying prescription medicines because a lot of these folks I would say the great majority of them innocently got hooked on opioids when when when one was a high school student who had a high school he had an injury and three or four years later he was 17 years old when he had the injury and I would say closer to four to five years later he overdosed because he had been on the pain medicine for a long time got hooked on it didn't get help and he accidentally overdosed one day and the thing is is that he had a legitimate reason for being on it when it started but then it but then no one especially the doctors no one seems to care or notice because they're getting kickbacks and money from the drug corporations to push on these kind of to push these kind of issues and I know that this has been addressed in Vermont but we need to look back at that again because we need to go to the source of why of um of where the medicine's coming from we also need to go back to the source of mental health of why this actually happens because putting a band-aid on the subject isn't going to help it at all I assume in this that you favored importation of drugs of prescription drugs from Canada sure if you need in order to make them cheaper for those who need them sure now that assumes the federal government will grant the waiver that the state is requesting of course in terms I'm going to take walk you through one more social issue unless let's just say your guns okay what was your feeling on that I had someone who asked me about this during the time I was signing up to to run and um lives here in Montpelier in the area and uh votes you know doesn't doesn't you know doesn't vote progressive but I said to him and I'm going to be honest I said that is still an open discussion no one and here's my view no one's going to bust into your home and take your guns that has never been a case on top of it you understand as anyone understand the level of resources human and otherwise it would take to actually perform something so impossible and against and against against the Vermont and the federal constitution to do such a thing that's just how it's a ridiculous fear that I won't approve of it by any means but will approve of people being able to buy tanks and and massive amounts of semi-automatic weapons and clips now why do you need that to hunt why do you need that to protect your family but that wasn't the issue in the state house right so um I actually do agree on on on what the governor did sign I actually do agree on um on you know the amount of the clips the type of clips that were banned so I do understand that but I'm not willing to someone says oh someone's gonna bust in and take our guns I'm thinking no not at all what should should gun shows um have to run have to run a check on people yes absolutely it doesn't mean they can't sell sure they can but yes they need to run a check because we need to have mental health checks on on people who own them but I'm not against the Second Amendment I'm against people having weapons it's just that a tank is not necessary or bump stock or bump stocks would you advance more gun legislation if you were sitting in the in the state center that that really depends on whether or not the the gun legislation that's taken effect already is um is um working I'm not going to try and push in advance of more legislation um without a study to see whether or not the most recent legislation um is actually working so not automatically just out of nowhere let's just push more gun legislation without reason not in a country that where where guns are so much a part of the culture but the thing is there's a different cultural response from different groups of people with when it comes to guns um certain ones of us are not going to hear a gunshot and think ooh hunting and rights some of us are going to hear a gunshot and think oh god I'm about ready to be shot and I'm unarmed that's the difference it's not it's it's it's not about whether you have the right but what how do you respond when you see them I have a different cultural response than other folks have but again I don't go overboard in regards to it but I have a highly I have an entirely different cultural response to to to guns and and what they mean because of how they've been used against different groups of people death with dignity took several years to go through the legislature uh same-sex marriage took several years to go through the legislature right act 250 forever has been going through the legislature in terms of changes education funding every year did you feel that the process on guns was rushed I think that it was time I think that we always make the claim that oh the process is rushed the process is rushed but yet we seem to respond we only ever seem to respond when there's a massive tragedy like those happening in Florida and other states constantly we only ever seem to respond and sometimes we don't respond at all you know we didn't respond to the to the to the you know massacre at the gay club in Florida no one responded that to that how would you how would you have responded to that up here the same way in which we respond we don't have a whole lot of any of that here simply because we're just Vermont's a small place don't have a whole lot people people just go to any kind of clubs they're not they're not they're not specified gay street what have you but um but what was done finally is I think how the response needed to be um high capacity rounds bump stocks those kind of things background checks background checks I mean yeah say again the final one was youth yes yes so um in age right so yes um but we needed to respond but people don't excuse me people don't tend to respond unless it's children involved and even then the response is always from other states especially too slow people don't seem to think it's a big deal is there something that's a pressing need right now that you feel should be addressed by the legislature that's not healthcare needs to keep being being addressed in higher education that's a continuing those are continued things I'm putting most of my focus on those continuing issues were you in the state senate what would your policy focus be what would what would glennie want to see done from sitting in in the washington county seat what would what would your pile what would what one area would you like to focus on I continue to focus on those top two things instead of just one the top two things that for me are kind of part of one another is um healthcare and higher education those are always the two things that are sitting on my because people there are too many people who are aging out and getting sick there are those who aren't edgy out but who um but who are sick and desperately need help and a lot of the time we tend to talk about so many other things we don't ever really seem to focus enough on the people who desperately need help the most most especially with healthcare when we're in secondary education and a person gets out of norwich or they get out of uvm or middlebury how do we hold them in the state how do we keep them in the state as citizens if we're going to keep them in the state we need to get a hold of them shortly before not shortly I say a couple of years before they're due to come out or in secondary education get them during their junior or senior year of secondary education which is high school so get them and and try to see what we can do to lure them into job offer I mean actually say we can offer you this if you if you sign on the dotted line this will be your job your position something that can be guaranteed legally to happen to keep them in the state otherwise if you cannot offer them something that allows them to stay in they want allows them to stay in the state to be able to be paid a living wage that's one huge thing that needs to be worked on is being paid a living wage and um if you don't offer these kind of issues advanced training a guaranteed job or at least a guaranteed stipend that the job doesn't come through a stipend that lasts for six months that helps you find another position and find another place if we don't make some sort of guarantees towards our students who are who are already from the state and who live here if we don't make offers to them and try to create some sort of um guaranteed job system for them then they're going to run from the state they're going to run at high speed if we don't if we don't figure a way through this process and the state will get older and older and the state will get older and older so we've got to try and keep young folks who are from here try and see if we can get them at least for a few years to stay here for a few years to pump into the economy for a few years because they're going to want to explore and go outside the state of Vermont and it should be able to but also a number of people would might come back so the the idea should also be let's put our feelers out and get people to come into the state as well. I've recently talked to someone about what to do to bring in other groups of people other groups of people who don't exist in high numbers in the state and I'm thinking reach out to higher education facilities in those other states and locations and to to get people interested in Vermont. So, Glenny, thank you so very much for one for stepping forward and running and two for appearing on the show and let me say to you people that watching these shows shouldn't only be informative it should be something that will walk you through the process of who these people are they're outstanding candidates that are running and I ask that you get out and vote on election day or encourage your family and your friends to vote and thank you so very much for being with us tonight. Thank you for having me.