 She said hi Joey, I'm vegan! That's all she was on to say, she's gone all shy now. Don't be shy, it's okay, it's okay. We're a huge fan. Ooh, what's that? Is that vegan? Yeah? That's vegan. There you go. That's all done for everything that you do. We really admire you. Thank you, yeah, we'll try our best. We can still do more. So if you're inexperienced with outreach, when you are showing animal cruelty, you know, caged chickens, things like that, it can send the wrong idea, it can send the idea that it could be done better, it can send the idea that free range is okay, that there's some high welfare standard farm that does it better, and that there's somehow a humane way to do this. So as an outreach is showing animal cruelty, you have to keep very vigilant of that. That's probably the main thing, you know. Do you think there's a humane way to do this? Do you think free range is okay? You know, is there a humane way to take an animal's life? He doesn't want to die, is there a humane way to enslave someone? These animals are killed in our shores. So whether they're sent on a boat, there's no difference with the animal really from the big scheme of things. Some people just think factory farming's the problem. We don't want them to have that idea. We want all animal use to be addressed in yoys. Animal liberation, bottom line. That is dark, killing your own animals. Killing your own animals? Yeah, well, I've got chickens at home. I've got like, um, I've got two new roosters. So what I had to do is I had to kill them. So I killed them, but, you know, we don't know what to do at some point. You're going to eat the roosters that you killed yourself? Yeah. How did you kill them? Well, we've been cut off their heads. It's the best way to do it. It's not that you've got a brain, it's not that you've got it quickly. It's the most, you know, the longest way to do it. You've got a better way to do it. I personally wouldn't kill them at all. We're persuading the public to make different choices. We don't want to run money from anyone. We're just asking people to buy products that are vegan, meaning they don't use animals at all. We believe the public care about animals, care about what happens to them. And if we are not consuming vegan products, we are destining them to these places. I've never thought so much of that. So without your money, these animals aren't going to slaughterhouses. They're not getting their children taken off them. They're not getting killed. See, this is the egg industry. So they're all slaughtered for their bodies too. And the dairy industry, the milk and the cheese, the animals are all slaughtered for their bodies as well. Yeah, yeah, I probably would let them live. I wouldn't see the justification in taking their head off or when I don't need to survive. So we just leave the animals being, give them the respect and let them live their lives. I used to see animals three times a day though, up until I was 26. So how did it make you feel when you chopped their animals head off? First of all, I've never done it. So it's not easy to do. I've had 60 champions that started incubating. I can't keep that many. So it was my plan. I think if I could be a part of that process where I should be able to kill the animal myself, understand what I've done to make my lives and what to do with that for me. Yeah, I suppose you could look at it like that. It's a more honest way of doing it than just purchasing it from the store which is contributing to the same thing. You're still killing the animal when you buy the animal flesh. You're paying for it to happen. We don't worry about how it happens. We just worry about the fact that it happens. So the fact that they have been used as products when it's unnecessary and they don't have a say in it. So the animals probably wanted to live. You probably could have unloaded them to a sanctuary. But you're paying for animals to be killed anyway when you buy the flesh from the supermarket. So I feel like it's more of a direct thing when you kill them yourself but it's no different to a guy down the road who's buying chicken flesh. This is them falling into a macerator. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Free-range eggs do this. Organic eggs do this. I always thought buying free-range eggs was a good thing. I thought, Mum, don't buy K-jags. Buy free-range eggs. I thought that that was the moral thing to do. But it means nothing for these animals. It really does. Any way that we use animal products, animals are being used, exploited and killed for. Okay. A vegan lifestyle means plant-based. Everything comes from plants. So your cheese is made out of plants. Your milk is made out of plants. Still tastes amazing. Ice cream made out of plants. Healthier for you, better for the animals. So... This is a religious thing, isn't it? No, nothing to do with religion. Just people that don't agree with animals being exploited and killed, basically. Yeah, I guess we're still getting there just how they do it. I think it's an important part. On the other hand, if we have things like that, we think about how animals are really quite, you know, crudely in this situation. But it's not in a more humane way, and I feel it's a lot better about it. I suppose you could kill other people in a humane way too, but... That's good. But it wouldn't justify the act in any sense, because I feel like if your animals have a... You treat your animals well at your house, yeah? So they would have an interest in living. So to take an animal's life off them when they have value in their life, I feel like it's even more of an injustice the animals in the factory farms are... They hate them, you know? So Free Range is just this... Obviously this lie that they tell us that they let animals eat grass before they stab them to death, which couldn't be any more of an injustice. You know, letting someone eat grass before you chop them up into pieces. See how that is in any way better for anyone. You know, and we should not even entertain that. I also understand that we've been conditioned to eat animals. So people think that it's the way. It's the only way. We have got a movement now of people that are... We are plant-based. We don't usually attribute to animal violence at all. It can be healthy like that. You know, less heart disease, less cancer, less diabetes. It's better for the environment. Better for the animals. Exactly what you're saying. It talks about people not eating animal. Animal fat, or eggs, or dairy, or... Because it's not actually good for you. That's why people in America especially in America, I mean, everywhere, they have heart attacks. It's the number one killer on earth. The number one killer is heart attacks. Because when you eat meat, eggs, dairy, it's not good for your heart. Food's up in your arteries. I can't understand you at the end. It's a personal choice. You know, I'm a big eater, so... I'm the way I am with clients, so... I don't know what to say with that. Would you see it as a personal choice if there's someone else involved? Or would it be more of a choice? A personal choice would just involve you. If it involves someone else, it would be more of a choice for someone else. So like a personal choice would just involve me. But me, hurting or abusing a dog, or cutting a dog's head off of their body, that wouldn't be a personal choice and that would be a choice that inflicts harm on another. So it's not just you involved. There's the rooster involved or the animal's on the other end of the knife. So it's more of a choice that involves a victim. So we'd say, yeah, you have that choice but you also have a choice not to do that. You can eat plant-based foods. So... You know, the Seventh Day Adventists they did a study on Seventh Day Adventists and they lived for the longest. Yeah, I'm aware of that. So there's benefits to... So when you live a lifestyle that doesn't cause other beings harm, you have benefits, health benefits. So it's good karma in a way. It's okay. Open to your discussion and think about that. Just a thought. Here's a part anyway with some information. Just opening up different ways of thinking. I mean, we've got this culture around consuming animal flesh. We're saying there's another way and we don't have to do that to them. Everyone's open to make their own decisions but awesome. Take care. Even on the most humane happy farm you can think of, those animals are all betrayed sent on that truck to this slaughterhouse. Scared animals. Scared animals betrayed by the only carer they've ever had. It's like being betrayed by your parents. You know? An injustice. Such an injustice that those animals suffering every single day in a factory farm they don't expect to be cared for. They probably have an idea that what's coming isn't good. Those other animals have been tricked. Looked after, comforted and betrayed and shot in the head. It's even more to me I feel like it's a little bit more disturbing. A little bit more disturbing. So we cannot kid ourselves with humane farms and free range and things like that. Organic, grass pasture fed and all this stuff. All it does is make the consumer feel comfortable. It does nothing for animals. Here, take your card. Challenge 22 on the back. It's free. Just challenge 22. You can do a vegan challenge. It's completely free. It's on Facebook. Find out how you can live without causing animals harm. It's a good feeling. Yeah, challenge 22 my friend. Yeah. Give it to somebody else. I don't eat animals anyway. I don't like eating them. The word's vegan anyway. If you see something that has the word vegan you know animals haven't been used or killed for it. No worries brother.