 How's that? Hello. Hello, Mr. Italo. What is it? Hello, for Italo. Hello, for. Hello, Jackson. Hello, Jackson. Hello, Jackson. Good evening, Osvaldo. Good evening. Good evening. So, I'll be here early on again. As it is past midnight, or is it a good day? Good morning, good morning. That's it. Thank you very much. Hi, Thorsten. Jean-François. Hello, hello, hello. Thorsten. Where is he? Everything. Sophie. Gabrielle. Francisco. Who is she? I think it's Luciana. Is it not? Luciana? Okay. Let's start our meeting. Welcome to Latin America. Good evening candidates, good evening members, volunteers, community. We will use this space to present the candidates to the Latin American community. Each candidate will have up to three minutes to present yourself and your ideas about your candidacy in English. And we will have the translation to Portuguese and Spanish if we need. The order of presentations will be the same of the list available in the community in the discourse. I will send a link in the chat and watch my screen. Please pay attention to the three minutes of the talk. Yes. Yes, Gabriele. Some candidates can speak in English and Portuguese or Spanish. They will start to talk in his own language or English. It's possible without translation. Yes. Simon, we will have translation to English and to do it I would like to invite Timothy to give some words about the process as he is our translator. Timothy, please. Okay. Good evening or good morning to everyone wherever you are. I would like to thank you for saving the time for each speaker. I would like to give just one or two suggestions that if you can say a complete sentence and then allow me to translate it and then continue and I will do my best to translate as quickly as possible to use your time as best as you can. And of course I will reverse the process from Portuguese to English when someone has a question from Portuguese to English. Thank you. Thank you Timothy and if we have time after the presentations for some questions from the community we will open the presentations. If not as we have just one hour the questions can be sent to the email elections at documentfoundation.org and the session will be recorded. To start the presentations I would like to invite Italo to give us some words Italo. Ok, I will speak English as I'm tired and speaking Spanish or Portuguese when I'm tired it's more challenging than speaking English. So Italo Vignoli I'm one of the founders of the document foundation I think many people know me directly or have heard about me so my candidacy is I want to see the spirit of the document foundation back. I think that we have lost the spirit of the founders and this is what I would like to bring back that's all I can say I don't have many other words to say people know me enough to to think what I will be doing if I'm elected. So I would like to speak English because now I'm tired and Spanish I won't be able to speak very well I'm Italo Vignoli I'm part of one of the founders of LibreOffice and I don't have much to say today because it's very simple and I would like to say to everyone that I would like to return the foundations and the origins as LibreOffice started so I have very little to say and basically that would be it. Ok Italo, for you you have ok perfect, thank you the next one in the list is Sophie Sophie please Hello everyone thanks Timothy for the translations I'm Sophie Guti I'm a funding member of the document foundation also it's a project contributing since beginning to the translations and some other activity in the French community all I want for the foundation is written in the page we have produced but like Italo the most important for me is to bring back the spirit of the foundation as we funded it and also have a real vision of the future of the foundation that's it My name is Sophie I'm also a founding member of LibreOffice and I participate in the French community and I participate in many activities in this community and I'm also here for the original spirit of the foundation when it was created and it's my reason to be competing also ok thank you Sophie Jean-François is here ok thank you can I ask a question real quick please ok please Timothy a better job of translating if you can say like a sentence or two then I can translate so I won't lose any details important details, thank you ok I am Jean-François Anifenecler I am a long time user of OpenOffice first than LibreOffice because of my job it was a suite of choice for my former employer I devoted much of my energy to OpenOffice then LibreOffice as a support I wrote many documentation and participated and still participate and still write documentation for users of the suite ok would you like to translate Timothy Jean-François your last name Anifenecler my name is Jean-François Anifenecler I am a long time user of OpenOffice in the older times and recently also LibreOffice who has participated in many events and has helped many users also in the use of LibreOffice ok like Sophie I support the pledge for LibreOffice because just like Sophie and Italo I am seeing the future of the document foundation I want it to be bright again I want it to be positive I want the community to participate to its actions like Sophie and Italo I also have a great vision for the future of LibreOffice a positive vision a proactive vision to see actions happening in the future of LibreOffice ok yes that's it the remainder you'll find which has been published yet that was it and the rest you can see in the pledge what is the name of the pledge in Portuguese I change the alien sorry LibreOffice LibreOffice the rest is there I sign below with Sophie and Italo ok ok thank you thank you Jean-François and now Jean-Baptiste too much names I don't see Jean-Baptiste here yeah seems he's not with us let's go ahead with Osvaldo Gervasi please good afternoon to everyone thank you for this opportunity my name is Osvaldo Gervasi and I support the pledge for LibreOffice and I have been invited by Sophie I thank her very much good evening good afternoon my name is Osvaldo Gervasi the pledge Sophie invited me I thank her very much I supported Open Source Open Office first and then LibreOffice since many years but I'm a member of TDF and I was active since 2013 I've been a member of the board in 2016 2016-2017 and deputy on 2018-2019 I'm a supporter of Open Office in general Open Office first and then LibreOffice I'm a member of TDF and I've been supporting this for a long time I would like to have LibreOffice free download to everyone and I want also possibly to have TDF may have a better life with a more friend environment and climate and also I think that TDF has to support the local communities in order to make them in charge of making their wishes and their projects In my work activity I am professor at the University of Perugia and currently president of a professional degree in computer science and my scope is also to to diffuse the LibreOffice project among young people and a programmer in computer engineering and computer science I'm a professor at the University of Perugia I'm also president of my own activity and also I'm trained in computer science It's all for me Thank you Thanks Osvaldo and now in the list the next is Mike Saunders I don't see Mike here at the moment also I don't see Enio seems not okay Franklin Franklin is not here and the next number nine, Daniel Hi there, my name is Daniel Rodriguez I also support the pledge for LibreOffice I live in Inisiones in the North Season Argentina I was a member from Timothy, please Good evening, my name is Daniel Rodriguez I also support the commitment of LibreOffice and I live in the North of Argentina I was a member from the board between 2020 and 2022 and I like to be part of the reconstruction of recovering the foundation back to the roots to get what I saw when I joined the community That's it That's it Thank you, Daniel The next is Number 10, Eliane Hello all First I would like to thank you all for being here and I will do a soup presentation in English first and after in Portuguese I supported the pledge for LibreOffice for the future of TDF My name is Eliane Domingos I am 15 years old and I live in Brazil at Rio de Janeiro City I am a member of TDF for 11 years I was in the board of directors in 2014 to 2016 and I'm part of the Brazilian LibreOffice community with great honor Thank you, community and I am presenting my candidacy for the board because I believe the foundation needs change and to represent diversity of our members I would like to highlight some challenges for the next board in my opinion which are fix the issues I'll do to report return to the tenders and listen more the users wishes and I will very happy to have the opportunity to be on board once more and serve the foundation So now in Portuguese Hello everybody My name is Hello everybody First I would like to thank all of you I will do a brief presentation I support the LibreOffice commitment for the future of the foundation My name is Eliane Domingos I am 50 years old I live in Brazil at Rio de Janeiro I am a member of TDF for 11 years I was part of the board in 2014 to 2016 and I am part of this community and I am very honored to be part of it I want to thank you and I am presenting my candidature because I believe the foundation needs some changes and also represent diversity in our members What I would like to highlight which will be a challenge for the next board in my opinion is to answer the questions that were presented in the auditory report return to the solicitations and listen more to the users' wishes of the LibreOffice I am very happy to have this opportunity to be part of the board I hope so once more and serve the foundation and that's it Thank you Eliani Next is Paolo Hi everybody I am going to try to be brief I am Paolo Vecchi I am Italian but I have been living in Luxembourg for more than 5 years I am currently a member of the board and I support the pledge for LibreOffice Hi everybody My name is Paolo Vecchi I am from Italy but at the moment I live in Luxembourg and I want to tell everybody that I support the pledge Yeah Probably some of you noticed me probably on more discussion on other media's complaining about a few things and I would like to participate to actually finish fixing a few of the issues that we have been slowly trying to correct especially in terms of governance first of all bring more transparency in the whole process within the board Maybe some of you know me through the media discussions and some questions that I have raised that I would like to see changed so that is why I am competing also and I would like to continue some changes and changes that I see necessary on the board For me it is going to be a great pleasure to work with other members new members of the board as well supporting the various items listed in the pledge for LibreOffice and actually hopefully I am going to finish as well my next mandate sorry, TDF and LibreOffice actually are going to be on the wide track actually to conquer the world and grow his community I hope to have the pleasure to have the opportunity to work with new people in the committee and I hope to be taking LibreOffice or TDF in fact LibreOffice by conclusion to return to its trails where it should be Thank you Thank you Paulo The next one is Andreas I don't see Andreas Andreas in the meeting So the next one is Bjorn Bjorn is here Hello Bjorn Oh, can you hear me? Yes, great So hi, I'm Bjorn Miserisen and I'm from Germany I'm not a founder of LibreOffice but I'm a founder of TDF actually I changed jobs for that Good evening My name is Bjorn Miserisen I'm one of the candidates I'm not one of the LibreOffice founders but I'm a member of the TDF I even changed jobs because of that And I've been on the board for quite a while in the past but I hope to retire from that four years ago but the current situation and LibreOffice made me come back because it seemed to me that the community is more concerned with itself than with producing open source productivity tools I've been I wanted to retire from the committee but I came back seeing the situation at the moment and I think the community is more concerned than with the production of free and open tools In my day job I'm unaffiliated I work as a team lead of software engineering team and provide e-commerce solutions in the cloud In the past I contributed in LibreOffice to Writer to a book of packaging Actually I've been the package maintainer for a while I've wrote some extensions and I likely have organized more hackfests than all other candidates together I've been I've been I've been together In the past I've worked a lot in packaging I've done a lot of packaging in LibreOffice and I've also organized more hackfests than any of the other candidates together Because I think we need a clear vision for LibreOffice and beyond that I think it needs some priorities I proposed with others a new era manifesto which you can find on board discuss also with translations provided by others from the community I see that we need to simplify things in LibreOffice so we have a less limited list that I speak on board discussion and I encourage discussion and questions around that like from Italo, thank you for that and I look forward to the election and the next board term I encourage questions and questions and I thank Italo and I hope to see you on board Thank you Bjorn Simon Go ahead Bonjour, Brazil Greetings from the European so my name is Simon Phipps and I've been involved in Open Office before the day that it was announced as I worked for Sun Microsystems I couldn't be a founder of TDF but I've been involved from the very first day it was okay for me to do so and I ran the first board elections for TDF and then went on to sell on the board Hello everyone my name is Simon Phipps I've been involved in Open Office for a long time and I've worked for Sun Microsystems in the past it's one of the reasons I couldn't be on board but I've already organized the first election of the TDF and that's it Your turn Thank you I have never been affiliated to any vendor profiting from Libre Office and that continues to today I am a completely independent candidate and I'm engaging in the elections because I feel and care deeply and passionately about Open Office and it's a vital role in promoting and advancing software Libre I have I have never been involved or affiliated with a Speaking English In Portuguese Sorry I have never been directly affiliated with a company directly I can say that I can be candidate today to be able to take Libre Office back to the paths that I believe should be taking I'm very sad indeed by the state that TDF is now in and I very much want to bring my extensive experience of being a director on other boards in the open source community to address the problems that TDF faces at the moment and restore it to being a place where friends collaborate for the benefit of software Libre I am very sad with the situation that Libre Office is facing today and I would like to bring to the board the experience that I have of participating of other committees of other projects and to be able to help take Libre Office back While there is much to support in the pledge that other candidates are using as their platform we will only become a united community when we have a shared vision for Libre Office as a tool for the global liberation of every people and every language on every platform So in the event that you should elect me back to the board where I have served two previous terms I will be seeking to build the consensus around a vision for the future of Libre Office where we do not spend money advancing the needs of corporations but instead advance the needs of individual end users As I have been in the past in two terms in the past I would like to have the opportunity to be able to unify in the future so that the focus is on the needs of users and individuals and not on large corporations and companies And I present to you in the chat a link to a possible technical vision for the future of Libre Office we can become friends again we can correct the fault in the foundation but we will not succeed without a shared vision for the code I will share with you in the chat a link to a link to see the vision of what I have because we can solve the problems and we can move forward but it depends on having a shared vision Thank you Simon The next is Cor Go ahead Good evening, good day, good night everyone I'm glad to be here I live in the Netherlands and I've been serving on the board now for two terms and before that being active in the membership committee for a long time and I was active with the founding of Libre Office and the foundation Good evening to all Good evening, good afternoon, good day My name is Cor and I I'm a member of two terms of the committee I've been a member of the membership committee and also of the membership and I've also been a member of the foundation of the TDF I'm very glad to see many people here with already prior experience in the board and other committees and when I look at the pledge I think I can subscribe to that myself also to a very large extent And when I see the commitment I believe that I could also accept the membership committee I'm very happy to see many people here accepting a good point in the majority When I look at that and knowing many of the people here and how we worked in the past with all the good ideas I think one of the additional things that I would like to work on is that we learn as people, as community to improve our relations and that we will be able to overcome any difficulties that always happen when you work together I think respecting each other and learning supporting each other to improve relations also when at times things are hard but really to overcome that I think that is one of the things that will help us improving how we work together for the brighter future and we have to reach a solution Thank you very much Thank you Next is Aik Aik is here I don't see Aik Seems not No The last one is Laslo Laslo I thought I saw him in a minute I don't see him No Okay We have time for questions from the community and comments from the candidates I would like to ask our community members here if someone has a question for the candidates I would like to ask now at this moment to the members of our community if someone has questions for our candidates we finished the presentation of the candidates and now we will open to open this space we will even for comments for questions we have a question in the chat please Elio supporter do you speak portuguese? you don't have microphone right? can you write in portuguese your doubt? who is Elio I don't know I don't know your name please he can't hear us he writes indeed but he can't type how can she ask if she doesn't hear interesting okay okay we have two questions a question in the chat and a question from Jackson I guess I would like to start with the question the first one the question from the chat I guess from Luciana and please can you translate you want me to read it and translate it right? yes you can use your own words in english for sure and after this question we have the question from Jackson okay so let me read here real quickly sorry I would like to make a question here I think it's directed to Bjorn you are good friends with the people who created the situation putting our foundation without without profit a nonprofit organization in risk and in danger supporting also their ideas why why would you and a certain person run to the council administration let me try to guess what is meant by that I think there is this disagreement about like ideas in the past let me put it like this the ideas and what I want to do with the board the power and the board is very limited in a certain sense has been laid out in the vision yes go ahead so he said I'm not sure what he is talking about exactly but I think he is talking about something in the past but I want to say that the board is limited in your power ok please so what I like to do for the future is laid out in the manifesto and maybe since we are talking about ideas and the pledge that other candidates use was mentioned quite a few times I find a lot in the pledge that I agree with after all it's 5 pages there will be always something to agree with in 5 pages actually almost well a lot of it not every position but most of them so go ahead so I have my position clear in the manifesto and also I agree with a lot of things that are in the commitment that was spoken by the majority here of course how to agree with something because it has 5 pages so somehow I will be supporting some of the points ok last sentence it was abstractly referred to ideas that's not how I would like to discuss in this election I would like to concretely name a specific proposal and then discuss the advantages and disadvantages of that proposal and not talk in toxic levels of indirection how I would not like to discuss ideas but discuss specific actions and take care not to have a toxic discussion in this moment thanks ok the question was directly for Bjorn so it was answered the next one is Jackson please Jackson go ahead good night good afternoon good morning I would like to know if ATDF intends to charge what you think of ATDF charge by software and also what do you think of LibreOffice C and leave the community without using a software ok good evening good morning or good afternoon and I would like to ask first of all Jackson help me please again I could repeat the question if ATDF what you think of ATDF if ATDF intends charge by software by binaries ok does the document foundation plan to charge for the software for the binaries in the future in the second place about the involvement of non-programmers I think it was non-programmers yes in LibreOffice leave for the community free and free for everyone and also for the developers ok about the software being more on the side of the programmers than general users and finally the last point ok that was it ok the first one to talk was Sophie and if someone wants to talk after Sophie please put your hand up yes I would like to reassure the community that LibreOffice will be always free of charge and download as possible has been a reform and there was a question about involvement of non-programmers all contributions are equally valuable whatever the contribution or are equals and all members are equals in the foundations I would like to say that in the first place for the whole community that LibreOffice will never be charged the binaries will be available and that another question about the issue of programmers and users that all will be equal whether they are programmers or non-programmers ok next in the current question is Paolo and after Bjorn yeah I mean Sophie already probably answer in a quite complete way but I would like to confirm unfortunately there has been discussion or doubts put somewhere about the fact that LibreOffice will always be free of charge now I will just confirm that the idea is actually the foundation is actually that is always going to be free of charge I would like to say that Sophie basically summarized everything I wanted to say but I would like to reiterate that LibreOffice it has always been and will always be free to download and the foundation is at the base of the foundation that we have and just a last comment one of the important thing is actually to give even more value and more visibility to all the other contributors I mean we need to support more all the other category of contribution to LibreOffice because they all have an equal value so that is one of the things that actually we want to push I would like to add here that again we have to give the same value to everyone because there are other members of the community who are contributing too so everyone will be treated the same ok, the next one one in the current question is Bjorn well the answer is simple LibreOffice is licensed under a free and open source license and with distributed copyright so it will always be free and you don't even need a foundation for that so LibreOffice is at the base of a free license so it will always be free and you don't even need a foundation for that ok, next comment in the current question Osvaldo, please Simon, what's first ok, thank you Simon, please ok, hi it is obvious that LibreOffice will carry on being free of charge and freely downloadable it's under an open source license but also TDF exists has in its bylaws a statement that that will be true so anyone who has mistakenly believed that they will be charged for LibreOffice from TDF please forget that nobody here from any faction is proposing that you should have to pay for LibreOffice so LibreOffice besides under an open source license or free software it will always be open but it is also in a manifest or in an internal regimen of TDF so please anyone who has doubts about that will not have this charge of values above LibreOffice and what has made OpenOffice LibreOffice after it so great is the global community of people localizing, translating and promoting it in every country and so that is the reason that TDF's bylaws guarantee you an equal role in the foundation and again anyone who has told you that you don't have that is not telling you the truth the foundation has always been for you and will always be for you that's all I always made OpenOffice and then LibreOffice a wonderful and great software is the community that has translated and located the software and again everyone who contributes is equal and this is inside of the TDF's regimen thank you very much ok let's go ahead Osvaldo, please thank you among the various points highlighted by the other member of the pledge I would like to highlight that this experience preparing the candidacy was really amazing and in our group you can see representative from all components of the community, of the team etc so this is the most important thing regarding our proposal regarding the pledge and we commit ourselves to make the board meetings in the public part available to everyone also with translation because we believe that the community has to be informed very deeply and carefully about the decision that the board will take very quickly Osvaldo, could you give me the quick point, your first point please because I missed that one I was highlighting that it has been a great experience and in our group, in the pledge for LibreOffice Group there are members of all the main components of the TDF ok, thank you very good to be able to say that it is good to have experience being part of the committee and also commitment and unfortunately I lost a part because there was a lot of information here so your second point, sorry because it was a lot of information your second point please at the end I said that we commit ourselves in order to make the decision of the board the public part of the meeting available to the community also with translation so that they can understand clearly what the board is deciding and which is the road that they are making with this decision ok, thank you he was saying that it is a commitment to make the meetings of the board more available and more open with translations so that the community can participate more thanks, now please Tulio your comment or question question is we have been following this discussion in the lists and a lot of people talking inside and out of the board and how do you imagine dealing with these differences of opinion between future members of the board we have been following the discussion list for quite some time with members that are part of the board but also members that are not part of the board so my question is how do you plan on managing the differences of opinion within the board come on folks Sophie and ok Bjorn Bjorn, yes Sophie and Bjorn and Italo ok, thank you Sophie, please so I think listening to everyone we are very diverse we are different people, different culture but we are we have been always able to work together as a community and I don't see any difference in the board I don't sorry, do you mind to translate? yes we are sick to death about the fighting going on preventing the foundation to move and the board to have a vision to apply to the foundation and to to make it move forward we really want to go on and that's all on my side we are extremely tired with the way things are going and we also want to see the lack of vision and communication and we would like to see things move forward ok Bjorn, please so from previous experience on the board I can first say it really depends on the personalities so it depends on who gets elected in the end that's the first part and then strictly on a tactical level or on the level of how to collaborate even with disagreement there are two things to consider the first one is you have to agree on the decision and not on the reasons that means if if a decision is made and a board proposal with a wording it's just about the wording it's not what every individual board member thinks or why they do both this way or the other it's just the vote in the end and the second point is disagree and commit which just means that if a decision is made even if you didn't vote for it you still have to support it as the entity the board is one entity so that needs to then happen you need to go forward with the foundation as a whole ok now italo please so my opinion is that the it should be clear that the board has the task of reaching a consensus before taking any decision which is something that didn't happen during the last couple of years and and of course when one consensus has been reached then it will be easy for all the members to stick to their decision and after that it will be easier for the board to keep that decision unified and I think that it's in some cases in the past couple of years I've seen decisions that have been too much because there was no consensus and in some cases there have been discussions that should have not happened at all in a board I've already expressed my strong disappointment with the board this is one of the reasons why I decided to run and I hope that consensus will be the main objective for the board of course in leading the foundation because there was no consensus in the decisions it was evident in the discussions that there were discussions that should not be happening in a board therefore I decided to enter to be able to contribute to improve this situation and that would be it ok Eliane did you do want to talk I don't see your hand ok sorry just a comment ok I follow the order the current order in the chat ok thank you after Italo, so Kor please thanks I fully agree with Italo that it's disappointing that during the board the last board consensus was mostly impossible on the positive side it's clear that if you look for example at the strategic course that we have been discussing and that the community has voted for when we met in Milan there was a bright area of things of more support for education at universities more support for local communities, different languages and the stuff that we started working on but sadly it didn't have enough time for yet Timothy maybe ok I agree with Italo that it's really unhappy the discussion on the board but I also like to talk about the positive things that happened for example in Milan and other events that we had where it was taken to the library for universities and also the work of translation and location has expanded a lot in this area I don't speak Portuguese but first my compliment for the translation because I hear you don't miss anything, wonderful you might translate it but and so there's a broad area of things that we realized and that we worked on and I hope we can continue working on that that's it a wide range of things that we worked on and we'd like to continue working on those issues ok now after core, Paolo yes I have a slightly different view in certain things I fully agree with Italo that it would be good to reach consensus on various things and naturally if you have a person like Italo I think everything else is going to be probably a lot easier the situation where instead you know there are more members that perceive potential risks when certain decisions are being taken and these are actually to share that with the community they should be allowed to do that because let's say that we have past experience showing you know decision should be taken also based on evidence and in fact and if there are real doubts then naturally the trustee should be made aware of the of the issue and then actually see if the direction of the board is taken is right or not so I have a slightly different view I fully agree with Italo that there should be a consensus and there should also be a freedom to share when a member of the board considers that some risk in a decision taken so that the community can be more involved in the whole process I forgot something Gustavo, Eliane I don't think so ok ok so keep in mind as a board of directors naturally there are responsibilities naturally that we have to take and there are potentially so liabilities so I think it's right that if a director sees risks that actually allows the trustee to be aware of it as a member of the board has positive contributions and also there are risks that will be taken and I believe that everyone should be within these risks to be able to make a clear decision yeah so I'm just saying just accept a bold decision in certain circumstances I believe is not acceptable to say that we should accept the decision of a board in some circumstances is not acceptable thanks Maria just to inform you that this is the last question of the meeting because Rafael left the meeting and pinged me directly and he will send his question to the membership committee and I would like to suggest that his question could be the first one in the next meeting we inside the membership committee will handle this question yeah, perfectly it's too late for us also for us but for you it's really too late so to continue we have Eliane I'm right yes comment first in English and after in Portuguese well we need to focus on the good things we can do for the project and the community everyone has a specific skills we need to source everyone can bring under talent and shine we can all can learn and grow together we want open interaction with the community and take decisions together now in Portuguese we need to focus on the good things that we can do for the project and for the community everyone has specific skills that we need to acquire everyone can bring their talent and shine we can grow and learn together we want an open interaction with the community and take decisions together and that's it thank you so much okay next is let me check Simon please so thank you for the question Tulio I think it's the key question for the next board I have been very very dismayed by the behavior of the previous board in particular in failing to respect the decisions that it had already made and continually reopening them and I think the path to the future involves as italo says reaching consensus or taking decisions and then taking decisions and committing to them and not constantly reopening them if you were the one or two people who didn't agree with the decision thank you very much Tulio your question was very important and I think it's the central question I have been very dismayed by the way things have happened and I say as Tulio said we should reach consensus and then take a decision so that the discussions that are constantly opening up I think this is why the board needs to have some experienced independent directors to help follow the rules about how boards behave and I think that that will be the biggest contribution to solving the problem so we can move on and focus instead on LibreOffice rather than on disagreeing I think how we are discussing here is a very good example of listening and respectfully listening and in that way working together and let me say that this is a very good example I support it a quick summary I think I can say that I agree with what has been said that here is a good example of how to listen and respectfully listen to each other and learn from each other thank you Sofia, the last one in this meeting please as the last word for the community nobody should be fear to speak out as a board and if we are elected we serve the community and should be open to be challenged by those we serve the board should be challenged by those we serve and everybody should be able to speak ask questions ask results ask for where we stand where we are where are the difficulties and where we risk anything we have to take some risk as board members but the community should be aware of them be part of those risks we take all together and that's it thanks to all thanks for the meeting was great and thanks Timothy I think nobody should be afraid of expressing themselves of the community should express themselves of the board that is here to serve the community and with that I think nobody should be afraid to express themselves and question the decisions the decisions of a board will have their risks but everybody should have this freedom to question thank you very much ok and in behalf of the membership committee I want to thank everyone thank for the candidates thank Timothy thank you you're welcome thanks to all of you thanks so much thank you and the next session you know Marina put the message in the chat and the discourse thank you I'm really proud of you and I I know you your feelings are the same good night good night good night good night thank you for moderation and translation good night thank you thank you very good very good thank you thank you thank you some words from you please bye do you want to talk Stefan