 Good afternoon, everybody. I'm really delighted to welcome everybody. For those who don't already know me, I'm Lorna Brio. I'm head of the TSC careers department. And today is the first TSC alumni talk. So we're really, really happy to present. If our four graduates or four alumni can just wave when I introduce you because it's a little bit difficult. There's a lot of facts. I can see there's a lot of students. So first of all, I would like to introduce Mathieu Laperre, who is manager from the Economic Advisory Department in Deloitte. Secondly, this time, it's Magalie Antoine-Crusseau, who is a data scientist at TALIS. If you could just give us a wave. Magalie, I can't see Magalie. She must be somewhere. There she is in the middle. Okay. Just under Mathieu. And then we have Jean-Mess Inaniie, who is the statistician from NXP Semiconductor. So Jean, if you could just say hi to everyone or wave, that's fine. And finally, Claire Abo, who is ethics and compliance manager from Airbus. So today, how we're going to work is we're going to have two links for the Zoom. Okay. The first link everybody's connected. So the first link will be with Claire and Magalie. And then afterwards, after everybody has done a short presentation, there will be another link that actually put in the chat. Okay. So if you want to connect afterwards, and if you want to speak to either Mathieu or Jean, you just click on that link. Okay. So please take advantage of today. This is the first time. So we apologize if there's any technical issues or whatever. But remember, it's a great opportunity for you all to ask your questions, ask some advice. I hope they'll be able to give you great tips so you can be successful in finding your future internship or job. Okay. So I think I'm going to leave the floor to, I don't know when, I don't know who wants to start. Mathieu, do you want to start? So hi everyone. I'm a former student of two schools economics. I was five years ago from now. After that, I did an internship at microeconomics, which has been built by Deloitte. And now I'm working as a manager at Deloitte Economic Advisory. So just to present Deloitte, we work around six core activities. The first one is competition, second one. We also have a lot of work in regulation. We also do some impact studies. If you are fun of Rick B, you may have seen a few, a few months ago we work on that to, to help the friends to be the next also the next world, World Cup of rugby. Also, we use a lot of data to do our work. So we have a lot of data scientists in our team to help us all with these five activities. Well, you know, everyone, so I graduated in 2014 in master market and organization, like Mathieu, and in the Magister of Economics statistician. And after this double track, I, I worked during three and a half years in consulting, consulting for agro food businesses. And now I am working for an spa semiconductors. So manufacturing of, of chips, in fact, chips in cars, in a radio, in computers, whatever you want. It is still microchips for now 10, 10 months. And I am statistician in, in the Department of Quality. Perfect. Thanks very much, Sean. So what's going to happen now I don't know for those who want to stay at the moment with, with Claire and my glee stay in this link. And if you want to go with Matthew and John, if you can press in the second thing, obviously you can come back and forward if you want if you have questions for all the alumni. Do you want to, to go back on the, on our tracks or to ask question. I don't know how do you want to proceed. Yes, probably if you can talk a little bit to be like about your, yeah, what, what have you done after your master because a person like I don't know it's the case for everybody I'm doing the same master economics of markets and organizations. It would be interesting for me to see if it's okay for you. And for everybody. Of course. Okay, Matthew, maybe we could start with you with a golden track with the lot. So, right after my master to in economics markets and organization, I joined a small firm who was called micro economics, which was a consulting firm in competition. So I did this internship. And after that they, they hire me as an economist. And since I'm working here. So, the little firm is now becoming delight. So a little increase in size in scale, but I still do the same job. I don't grow a lot of things. But yeah, and now I'm a manager. So I try to manage several projects at the same time. It's very interesting. So, and if you want to join us, I have already posted several and then on the TSC alumni website. That's the reason I have to do my promo. No problem. No problem. Totally legit. From my side. After, after the master. I was hired by a small company to lose work in the consultancy. In fact, company I met during my second internship. One in one point when you are doing your internship, leave a good memory to you, to your mentors and your managers, because they can call you back. So I work for them during three years, consultancy in a small, small team. I told you that we were, we were working specifically on the, on the market of lipids, fat, oil, vegetable oil. So, so we were producing reports, reports for business man. So it was, it was an activity crossing many different fields, chemistry, economy, agronomy. And in this team, I was the only economist and the only statistician of the company. So he asked a lot of autonomy in fact. I stayed with them during three, a little bit more than three years. I, I leave them at that point. And now I am, well, I was hired by, by any space semiconductor for, for contract. In fact, for assessing, for assessing the performance of statistical tool. An algorithm detecting outliers in multivariate dimension. In fact, when you are, when you are making chips for, for the industry, you are testing your, your parts several times before, before you sell it to, to the client. And so one chip can be tested, let's say 10,000 of time before it is sold. So it produce a huge, huge pool of data, of data. And there is a lot of, of process to ensure that the, that the dye is of good quality. So, so the, the component it will, it will, the component based on your dye will not, will not follow, following during, during its usage. So now I am, I am assessing the performances of an algorithm produced by another, another alumni of the, of TSE. If, if some people want to additional details, because material was very synthetic or ask other question, feel free. It is a non formal discussion. So, I have a question for you. Of course. Because it's, it's a little bit surprising for me as you did an M2MO, but now you work like as a, as a statistician. So, did the M2MO like let you learn all the skills you work, you need right now, or did you do other studies after that, or how was like the transition because normally I think after one M2MO, there are more people working like Matthew and like a statistician. In fact, the transition was quite smooth, because in the same time that I did the master of market and organization, I also follow the Magister of Economics statistician. So I keep both, both skills at the end of my master's for the, for the job search market of market and sorry, master of market and organization was not a big help. And when I enter the first company I work for, they ask, they ask me, okay, for this report with your background, what could you add to the skill of the team. And the first, the more concrete tools that could be applied to the report was statistics and data handling and data management, et cetera, et cetera. So, when you are, when you are talking, maybe Matthew will, will give another, another sound, but often when I met businessmen, people that are in the, in the industry in the, in the, in the business world. In fact, you cannot go to them with very complex concept of economics. Opportunity cost, it is a threshold above, it is a little bit complex. So often you have to, to be quite, how to say that. You have to keep things simple to for your clients in a, in your doing a consultancy. In my experience, maybe a match you can say other things. No, actually, I completely agree with you because even if we work as a consultancy business and competition, what we face is lawyers judge and they do not have the economic background so always the simplest is always a better because if we try to explain very complex in economics or in econometrics, we will lose them and our report will finish in a can. So we cannot do that. So you have to always try to be very simple in your reasoning and try to present it so that someone with no economic cold background will understand. I will add one point on this. If you find someone benevolent, when you, you present your job to this guy, it will be okay with what, what you tell. But if you aren't, if you met someone a little bit skeptical, they, without an economic background, he will not, he will be not able to judge you on the, on the content of what you say. So it will judge you on the, on the shape of what you say of what you present. It is a very frustrating for us. But at this moment, your message must be clear, simple and well presented, because you will be judged on the only thing they, the only thing they can judge you, it is a presentation you make. Is your point a good PowerPoint or not? It is a reality of consultancy. But I will have to add something. Even if you have to present it in a very simple way, you can work on very difficult models that we do on Deloitte, when we work on high. But on very difficult, major cases, we sometimes have to develop very complex model, but when we present it to competition authority or the European competition, we have to simplify it. But under this really soft model we present there are a lot of complexity. And that's why our current statistics is the same. You can use very complex model but when you talk to your manager, your director, you try to keep it simple. Yes. So please do not hesitate to ask any question you want about our background, what we do on everyday basis in English and French, we will be able to enter it. And also to just said, what kind of model can you use typically? Like what kind of difficulty can you use? I think the most complex issue we face when we work on competition cases or or litigation cases is the lack of data. But yeah, and sometimes we have to develop very complex econometrical model to try to correct this lack of data. Yes, the type of model you will use is very dependent on your job for currently at an exp. I work with people that are producing a volume of data that is just amazing. So for this, for this mission, you face some challenge. The type of challenge that you can meet is how we can handle the data fast, where the information and what is the relevant information. In my previous experience in the consultancy, that was very, very different. And at this moment, I totally agree with with Matthew. My manager came to me and asked, okay, where we can find data about that? I don't know. And at this moment, if you work in a small company in small team, when you are generally the only economic economic guy, you will, you have to to know where you can find some robust robust data and data. Generally, you can rely on an international institution. It is rather rather good, good help for for data. But there is a lot of precise and precise data that you that you cannot have a regular way. So generally, you, you have to buy them and after, depending on the data you have and the problem you face, you are deploying a different model. Often, you have to decide what kind of model you are using. So it is not a real problem if you are, if you are not very proficient on this kind of model. Are you very good with a logistic model? It's, it's not a big deal if you are not just know when to use it, because at the moment you will need it, you have to know where you will look to deploy such kind of model, for example, but well, it will very depend on the problem you will face in your job. Matthew and Jean, I had a small question I wanted to ask as well. Sometimes students ask the question, are you coming from TSE compared to like big engineering schools? Do you think that the TSE training, some students might say when they go to an HR department or whatever, and they might not know, we're, we're a lot better known now as TSE. But what is the difference? Do you think the TSE is, is coming alongside with engineering skills? Do you think we're better than some engineering skills? Because, and any tips for, for the students who are actually looking for internship or a job, you know, what is, what is the, the tips to give to be the kind of perfect candidate for a position in one of your companies? Sorry, a few questions in one. Jean, do you want to start or? As you want. As you want. So I will start with the engineering schools and TSE. I think both help students to think in a certain way. You do not ask you to be pre-efficient in everything, but to know how to look when you face a problem, like Jean told us just before. So if you don't know a kind of econometrical model, it's not a problem. But if you know how to look on Google to try to understand how it works, it will be implemented with the data we have on R, on SATA. I don't know every software you can use to do that. I think this is the most important things. And in TSE, you learn that even if you don't know that we see it when we receive, because we have a lot of intern at Deloitte and specifically my team in the economic advisory department. And we saw that, that TSE students are able to really quickly find a way to understand how a model works, where the data could be and stuff like that. So I think it's the most important thing you can try to develop when we talk about you. I know it's very difficult. And the second part is you are able to use a lot of statistical software like Air and SATA. And in my job, the two software are used a lot. Actually, in competition, we have to use SATA because it's the official software of competition authority all around the world. So for the French Competition Authority and the European Commission, we have to give them our code right in SATA. And for other mission, including with high volume of data or anything else when we have to present some beautiful that dashboard and stuff like that, we use R. So both software that you learn how to use in TSE. So please continue to work on these two software. It's great what you're saying. It's great what you're saying, Matthew, because this is what a lot of HR people and recruitment talent acquisition directors and things have said to me. When we're trying to, I mean, it's thanks to people like yourself and to promote TSE and that we are really referenced as one of the top schools in Deloitte. So it's really something that we thrive to do at the school. So it's, and we see by the tutors by the professional tutors that the feedback that we get is really the skills that students have when they come to an internship. And the way they can analyze in this, this way of thinking, as you said before, is a real plus. Now we're not going to say anything else. It's now Jean's turn. Yes, I will be a little bit less happy about that. Not, not exactly happy, but I have a song, not not exactly as enthusiastic as you. Compared to, to general, generalistic engineers. You lack nothing for for doing a job of statistics of all economics. Compared to highly specialized school like polytechnic or and say, and and say, you, you are, you are in face of strong competitors and will not, well, well installed competitors in fact. So when you are, when you are going to, to an interview with, with a company or an administration, particularly in Paris, they are not always aware that TSC exists, and they are not always convinced that TSC is a good school. So it really depends on where you are, where you are landing during the interview. In, in my experience, I have, I had often the demonstration to do during the interview that I TSC give me every, every tool I need to do the job. And one, one last point, I often, I was implied in the recruitment process of my last company, and I face engineers and I face a student from TSC we hide some so it was a good, a very good experience but there were other critics of, of my former manager, in that case, and he was, he was a little bit unhappy with economic students to be not to be not as concrete as he would wish. So if, when you are in your first job, try to be a result driven, try to, to go beyond the, the very research orientation that you are following during your studies. This is a very good formation. But when you are in your job, you are not in a lab, you are not in an office writing a research paper. You are producing a report, you are working for something that will be published in maybe one month, maybe three months, but it will be published shortly. Two years in, in a research, in a research review that will be read once again, two years later, later. No. So be drive result, result driven. Thanks very much for that. We also got some questions. So, so I have questions. Actually, I was wondering, what type of career opportunities or job. Can we hope to have after complete the MO, because I'm truly interested in doing this but let's say I'm interested in the sector of regulation, market regulation but I still don't know the specific jobs that I can apply for. So it's my question. It will be the question of your life. Actually, like, like, like you can see today, you can find a very different job after the emo masters. So Jean is a statistician. I'm an economist working in the consulting firm. We have friends working in competition authority, also in regulation authority in the telecom regulation authority in France, the RCEP also in the RTE, the electricity regulator in France. So we say you can do everything, maybe not, but you have a wide range of opportunity after the MO. I would like to complete a little bit the answer. It depends on what you what you really want. And it is very, I know that this, this is difficult. During your study to have a clear view, the job market is, it's not transparent on this side, but you can, you can still see some, some things are quite clear. You have all the administration of regulation. So, Mathieu mentioned RTE, the French competition authority. Not specifically the French. By definition, you, you have a competition authority in every country. In France, you have a lot of specific administration dedicated to regulation that are linked to some sectors. You have the RCEP for the telecom, you may heard a lot about them because there was action for the 5G in telecoms. You have the ARAFAIR, the authority for French railroad. I forget the others. CSA for the, for the, yeah. Exactly. You have the CSA for, for, for the video content in French. And there is other, other authorities, financial market authority, the AMF. Well, you have a lot of administration. This is, this is administration that are, that are hiring new, new graduate people. What kind of, what kind of for the company. When you are searching for, for job or internship, you can start by this administration. They are well known. So, made a quick Google research, you, you found them. You can browse a little bit on internet to look on the, on the specific industrial sectors. And inside the sector, you will find some, a lot of name of companies operating in their market. With that, you can establish a very big list of authorities and companies. And in addition, if you, if you want, you still can, can browse on the, on the administration, the executive administration, particularly Bercy. I know they are publishing a lot of, of new, new job for, for graduates. So there is a, there is also opportunities from on this side. Just for the job of economist, if you open to data science and statistics, it is very, very more open and more. In fact, for everything that, that is about data science and statistics, you will have a different matter not to find the, the different job offers, but to, to filter the job offer to the one that is relevant to your profile. In fact, I just wanted to say as well, you have also the BND, you have the career forum that you've already participated in quite a lot. This year, it's going to be totally new because it's going to be via virtual format. So a lot of the regulation companies come every year. All of those that Sean mentioned participate. So I don't know if you're an L3 or M1. I'm not quite sure what year you're in, but you can participate in the presentations they give. So that would probably be really interesting. And you have maybe a one-to-one conversation with the people that come to on the 27th. It's going to be the 27th of November. Okay, sure. Thank you for that. I have another one question, please. For you, what do you think about starting an internship in an authority, in a competitive authority, rather than directly entering into a consulting company? Actually, it can be a good thing because if you want to work in a consulting firm or an authority, you can always see the other side. So I'm working in a consulting firm, but I do not have the same view as the one who worked for the French Competition Authority of the European ones. So I think it could be great to have this other point of view on different cases. Like, you know, when I try to defend someone who are in the cartel, it's not exactly the same thing that an authority would try to condemn them. So I think it's great to have both sides. But is beginning by one doesn't affect the possibility to, after that, continue with another? Actually, no. You can do both. I'm a little bit outside of this business, but I think this is a contrary, in fact, that it is a way to enter these sectors on one side or on another. When you look at the track of some other alumni, they're exactly what they make. It was starting in one authority or in one consulting company working on one subject and once they have gained this experience in their field, they go on the other side. And this movement can be made on both sides. So it can be a way to work, in fact. I think, once again, I'm not in this business. Okay, thank you. Excuse me. Excuse me. Yes. I'm looking to work in abroad. So do you think that I should concentrate myself on statistics today or the EMO master should be relevant to do this way? Sorry, I did not understand in what you're doing today. I wanted to work in international company. So do you think that this masters is really relevant for me to do that or a master with only statistical stuff and other things should be better? I think you are. Your question is a little bit misleading. The fact that you want to work in an international company does not provide you any aims to which master you should do. Ask you what job do you want to do in that company. If you want to do an economic job, go to the EMO market. Master, sorry. If you want to do data science, go to statistical courses. I have another question. Did your grades during the master somehow have an influence in the first internships or in the first jobs you got? Yes. You have a lot of companies that are asking you the last grade you have during your exams. So yes, it is important. Yeah, I agree with you. Excuse me, sir. Can you just repeat what you just said because I didn't. Okay. Yes, about the grades. So is your grade during the exam important? And the answer is quite simple. Yes. You have companies that are asking you your exams. Well, not your exam, but your grades during the hiring process. Only the grade of my last year or the grade of my bachelor and everything. Actually depends. So I'm consulting firm as you since the undergraduate so it depends on the companies and human resources policies inside them. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. It doesn't matter you tell us like how good were you in the master. Actually, for my company, it doesn't have any importance at all because we do not ask any of your mark during exams. We only focus on your resume and on the several round of interviews we make with you. I don't have any importance, but I know if you want to work for, I think compass, compass economics, you will have to give them your, your, your mark. I have a question. So what, what, what kind of tips, what kind of interview tips can you share me. When applying for the job in your own company or another company and if you can share. So to, to advice, don't to be overconfident. It's very, very annoying when you're an interviewer. And don't be too shy about your knowledge. So just be between, you know, certain things. There are other things you don't know and that's why you will make some internship to develop your knowledge, your skills. So it's normal sometimes to don't know something. And yeah, I think if I have to give you two advices people with that. Other one. Yes, yes. First don't play a role. You, you are in front of, of people they want to hide you and don't try to, to speculate on what they want to hear. Just answer the way you. You would just with friends or be formal. Just. So don't, don't try to play a role of the perfect dynamic young guy, golden boy, what you want to everywhere, everything you want, you are you. And this is what, what, what is interesting for the people you are, you have in front of you. Second, second advice for me is work. Don't go just in the interview without doing your own work. This is very important for me if you are working less than half a day for one interview. It is that you don't want the job. It is no point to, to go into, into the interview at this moment. It's up to you. For me it is the two, two main points. The first one because I see people in interview. I was in a hiring position at this moment. And this is very, very tiring to, to see, to see someone pretending to, to be someone is not. At the end you just, you just write on the, on his resume, go to the archive and you, you forget this, this candidate. And on the second point it is from my, from my job research experience. If you, if you just go to one interview without working for it. Okay. There will be competitors with more experience with more, and with, with more motivation. And they will go first. Completely agree with. And please remember that the people in front of you want to hire you so they will spend a lot of hours working with you so if you're not completely honest with them. First, we saw that because we have some kind of habits to see that kind of things during the interview and for the second part. What was your second part? Working for doing your own. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to show you interest in company if you have some question, relevant question, not general question, but it proves that you work on this, on this interview and you are motivated to, to have this job or internship and stuff like that. And John, I'm pretty sure we have to go back in the other room for the, for the final part of this. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. You're welcome. So if you want to go back to the other link. We'll close this hallimni talk and other questions if there is any. Perfect. Okay, so see you in the next room. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. I have some, maybe a last comments. I hope you, I hope you enjoyed the exchange with the different students. I don't know if anybody else has any, any final questions. Yeah, I also have one question. Yes, go ahead. Go ahead. I think the exam was first. So go ahead. So I should have my TSE when you were looking for a job and internship. Did you make the choice to send to apply for a job at one company or did you send your CV to two or three companies? The question. Who's the question for? Is the question for John for my getting everybody. Anyone. Okay, so on you go. Okay. You try to target company you are interesting company administration whatever you want. Try to apply to a job you want. But after trial also to to send application to a lot of companies because the main part of your application will be will be rejected. Okay, so it's would be it's would be the mistake to send just my CV to one company. To one only yes it is a mistake. But the one you want sent send your CV. Yeah, I think I said I don't know if you were in the last one but I said so I'm seeing the same question for everybody at the same time. So something that can be really interesting for you all is we'll be sending you information for the next business networking day on the 27th of November. It's going to be a virtual format will probably have between 1560 companies, the same type of companies that participated and institutions last year. So this is a great opportunity to participate in the presentations to have a video chat to have an interview and things like that so you can keep tuned to that as well. I think Xavier, I had a question. Yeah, mine was more for Matthew because I'm more interested in consulting. But I don't know if you have this information. If you know how many, how many candidates for internships for like a consulting internships does a firm like the log have every year has every year. Actually, a lot. Just last last month we received 250 applications for 2021. Yeah. Okay, but we do not plan has many interviews as we receive application. It's like the first filter that but because I suppose there's, there's a filter even before. First is made by me. Any application sent to Deloitte, and I made the first field. Okay. That's good to know. Matthew, Matthew is it really important everybody asked the same question like really good CV cover letter. You know obviously when like there's some like consulting companies I know that you have to apply online, and you don't really need the cover letter. This is Deloitte really important to have yet like the CV cover letter to prefer to have it in French to prefer to have it in English. Would you, would you accept if someone was sending in English CV, you know what is the actually the language of the city of the resume and the cover letter is not a problem and read it in French or in English, we are both, we are fluent in both or it's not a problem. But before we do not ask a candidate to send with their resume a cover letters. And we, we decide this year to strongly advise people to join a cover letters when they can did it to our position as junior or intern, because most of the time. The people who takes the time to write a really good cover letters are really motivated to get that job. So it's, it's kind of the first filter we made. So, because we receive a lot of candidates on candidates, and yeah the first filter is either a cover letter or not. We'll look every, every apply on application or website but it always a good way to add a cover letters. It's a plus. Is it is it's a precious to have a personal contact in the company like through LinkedIn or through mail if we get the mail of the manager, for example, or something is it valuable. It can help, of course, also talk with us during the business networking day. It's also a good way to try to understand a little bit more what we do at Deloitte. But yeah, yeah, it's a good way but we also cannot answer, I don't know, 2000 message on LinkedIn and stuff like that. It's a good way, yes, but we clearly we do not have time to answer every message we receive on LinkedIn and stuff like that. So Deloitte is going to be present in the BND. Yeah, of course. Always a good things to try to contact an alumni because it can take more time to you to explain exactly what we do and most of the time yeah people do that. The list of the list of the companies will probably be giving in giving maybe in the next 15 days because this year has is totally different because we usually have. This is the first time that we're going to be working with an American company called easy virtual fair. They are specialized in virtual career fairs all around the world, you know companies, universities like MIT Oxford use use them. So we're going to be using them this year for the business networking days so it's probably I would say in the next couple of weeks we'll be sending you all information who's going to be present. But not only that, you'll be able to apply on the TSC alumni websites that's why I wanted to introduce you all to Nina, who is who's going to give you a wave, I hope. Nina is in charge of the alumni network and really really important person at the school because she is the one that will give you your connections to be able to apply on the TSC alumni website that's where all the job and the internship offers are. You can you can correct me if I'm if I'm not right Nina but I think everybody should be getting their connections over the next couple of weeks next week or so. Yeah normally tomorrow. Oh brilliant so as of tomorrow, not only that but we'll be contacting all the companies at next week to see if there is internship offers. I think Matthew already posted one already so he's doing a really good job. Thank you Matthew for Deloitte. But over the next couple of weeks, the companies will be starting to post their internship offers. So you will be able to see on TSC alumni website, BND and the offers that are going to be available that you can apply to. I just want to thank Jean Magalie and Matthew. Claire I already thanked I really want to say this is the first time we've done this I think it's been a really good success with the amount of participants I don't have the number, but we've got quite a few students that participated. So it's been really great. Thank you so much for your time I know you're really really busy and so it's, it's been great that you managed to find time for us so we really really appreciate it.