 was tremendously lucky in that I went to the demonstration in 1977 just a half block from here before people went in to sit in at the federal building to force the federal government to sign the first civil rights for people with disabilities. I was fortunate I was lucky to have taken my camera and taken the best role of film I've ever taken and that led to a number of photos that are a part of patient no more upstairs. I'm gonna be talking about that kind of how I got there and then transitioned into what I'm trying to do now with my photography. So there I am before my disability and there I am in it with in a wicker wheelchair at the hospital after I got my spinal cord injury when I was five years old so I think I'm still cute there don't you? Yeah thank you okay this I'm photodescription this photo was taken in 1952 and it shows me sitting in a wicker wheelchair with a looks like a watch cap and a a sweater and I look a little one there which makes sense since I was in the hospital for seven weeks I think five years old yeah that's it 70 years old today this month thank you thank you it's a big one so as I grew up with the disability here's a photo of me with a bunch of people in front of a newspaper these are people part of the Sonoma County bugle I was the newspaper editor this it with the newspaper was in existence from 1970 to 1973 was an alternative newspaper and I come from a long line of photographers my dad was photographer my grandfather was my dad owned a camera store so and I tried to make a living as a photographer and so that's why I was asked to be I was a photographer when they asked me to be the photo editor of the bugle and what happened was with the deadline every two weeks I had to take a lot of photos and I got good you know there's something about well I love deadlines still to this day and so here in this picture it shows me and I put this picture in to show I'm kneeling down with my crutches in those days I use crutches and full leg braces to it for mobility and I'm kneeling down and that's the stance that I would take to take photographs and that leads to my point of view one of the photographs that I take and then I'm shooting up at people with disabilities which is rare usually see pictures of people with disabilities where people are standing and point shooting down and there's Michael Funky who was the editor there with the cigar in his mouth and the fly boy cap and the court of beer and he got sober a couple of years after I got sober a number of us got sober after a bugle experience so there's my photography but there's also my politics and here's a picture of us with a weather balloon this is my a good friend from high school and the weather balloon has stenciled on it and the war and we were going to fill the balloon with helium and attach it to a flagpole at the beginning of the rose parade right across from all the television cameras I grew up in Pasadena this picture was taken in my home in Pasadena about a mile from the beginning of the rose parade well we made it about a hundred feet from the the flagpole and it hit a tree and it popped but it made a good photo even though it's low res showing my politics so I had my photography one hand my politics and another but not a disability identity I grew up when to have a disability was not a good thing but I was starting to explore my disability and this guy Steve Diaz was very key here's a picture of Steve Diaz using his wheelchair with a bunch of plants and unlike what I just said where I shot kneeling down I'm obviously standing up in this one and Steve and I are playing around with disability imagery and Steve is starting to explain to me what it's like to be a contemporary disabled person Steve is the first guy I met with a disability who is hipper than I was which made a huge difference to me this would have been 1974 that's the shoulders and a mustache but not a beard yeah that was the look and here's me in the foreground I'm assuming I'm looking at my camera and I've got a mustache and longish hair and there's Steve in the background we're all smoking and this is 1974 and this is a meeting of the student organization at Sonoma State University that's where I met Steve and he and I formed a student organization and when we were talking about what's our mission he said well we're gonna knock shit off the shelves that's a good mission but I think we came up with something that was more palatable to whoever was gonna accept our membership and give us a little bit of money disabled students coalition and coalitions you know it has a ring to it and that coalition led to the university funding a halftime position and I went from being somebody who my sole ambition was to make enough money so I could continue to drink beer at the trade winds shoot pool and be able to just you know live the hippie lifestyle and Katadi until I met Steve and got involved in disability rights and took on my identity as a disabled person and I caught on fire my politics came together with who I was and so I made sure that when we got a position established that Steve was on the hiring committee and I made sure that Steve made it possible for me to get hired as the first director of disability services at Sonoma State in 1975 and I did that till 1997 1997 and also Sonoma State was a place where they would tolerate somebody like me and my politics it was founded by people from San Francisco State professors who got sick of San Francisco's faculty politics and it was primarily a lot of humanistic psychologists and so it was a very radical place I mean in this office this is our first office down the hall was the counseling center and you would hear screams on a regular basis primals scream therapy remember that we scream into a pillow well that happened down the hall and you hear that scream and you just go on with your work because that's what they did down the hall you know that's right Frisbee State I mean it was it was yeah and so there was my first secretary the one here's a picture through an office door of I don't know if you guys know Joan Brevis she is sitting there she's a student assistant Joan for many many years ran the computer training center over at the ed Roberts campus and retired just a couple years ago she was a student assistant and there with her back to us using a wheelchair is my first secretary and I hired her because she was a wheelchair user and didn't realize she didn't know her alphabet she went to a special ed and she was a terrible secretary she was horrible and I learned then that you've got to set the bar if you're gonna hire a secretary having a disability and a disability office is really a good thing but they also have to be able to do the job I'm still fighting that fight today and here's our second office and in the foregrounds a guy using Everest and Jennings power wheelchair which was and behind him is another guy using an ENJ chair and one of those she was a really is a student assistant really nice woman I always felt she was a do-gooder though I never quite trusted her but she did her job well and we had enough money to hire her so and she didn't take a job from a disabled person so and I was still playing around with disability photography disability imagery in this time period and here's a photo of me wearing cut-off Levi's my full-leg braces black leather cowboy boots holding a bottle of Coors showing my tattoo wearing a wife beater my hair slick back sitting on the edge of my wheelchair anything else I hmm well thank you thank you it's my discipline and bondage well I'm trying to look tough I'm trying to look cool so but at this point still trying to come together with my imagery around disability and using myself as part of that which was part of what photography was doing at the time this would have been 74 so 75 ish all in this time period where I'm finishing up my degree and it's no mistake my BA psychology because the requirements for the major was 24 units of anything in psychology you didn't have to take intro you didn't have to take what's abnormal nothing 24 units for anything and one of the courses I took was sitting around holding hands and saying home needing bad hippie bread that was Sonoma State so Rosemary do you want to read your own not I'll read it for you here's a quote from Rosemary foot this is from seeing the disabled visual rhetoric of disability and popular photography photography carries more truth value than other images there's something about photography that we see it we think of it as being true even though that's not necessarily true we think of photographs as being closer to reality and that still I think continues to be true even post photoshop it's surprising that people still think that photographs are the truth or for real yeah even pre photoshop though there's photographs lie you know and in a sense they also tell a story and they advance a cause and that's what I'm trying to do with my photographs what we have here is the Reverend Vernon Cox who is one of the founders of the Marine Center for Independent Living and it's showing him in his wheelchair in profile he's holding a banner that says a funky handmade banner it says sign 504 and somebody's pushing him in his manual wheelchair and in the background is San Francisco City Hall so a shot just right out here right out this window this is some of the iconic photos that I came up with that day that advance a cause and show us not in a struggle as Tom Olin's photos typically show Tom Olin shows the struggle shows how hard it is to get things done my photos have a tendency to show the certainty of what we were doing and so this is the 504 demonstration in sit in April 17th 1977 so here's three guys using manual wheelchairs old Everest and Jennings again one guys wearing a cowboy hat and you can see someone signing in the background and that this is one of those pictures of certainty you know of calmness these are not people who are storming the barricades these are people who are somewhat implacable here's another people people on the picket line and with signs saying no more negotiations sign 504 access to work don't back down on affirmative action you might break your neck sign 504 and it's it's not people after a Sunday picnic for sure these are serious people but it's there's a certainty here here's another on that same picket line that's Jim Fernandez and in front using a manual power wheelchair you can see a couple of people in power wheelchairs behind and a big picket sign says sign for both 504 we'll wait no more yeah and here's another photo and there's a number of photographs what I like about this is the various planes where you can see two wheelchairs in the foreground there's a number of wheelchairs in the mid ground and then a background another wheelchair with the city hall in the background and the person on the right-hand side of the frame looking directly at us this is a something you'll see in my photographs it's it comes out of a photo tradition of the 1950s really of editorial photographs like Danny Lyon and Bruce Davidson even our only Cartier Brisson and another picket sign with more more wheelchairs and if you look at this you can see that I am at the regular height that I usually am when I'm at parties which is belt buckle height and so you can see that the gaze on this I'm lower than the people using wheelchairs so in a sense I not in a sense I am looking up at them and so in a way that elevates them in a way that is not that you usually don't see in disability photography and that's just the half instance that I was using crutches and I'd kneel down to be able to focus my camera and trip the shutter there's Hale Zuccas I know yeah hail Hale Zuccas one of the rolling quads one of the first people at UC Berkeley who according to the myth of the rise the independent living movement the rolling quads are the one who started it all and there's some truth to that certainly and so there's Hale using it he uses a head stick to communicate and he's sitting next to Jim Fernandez they're both in power wheelchairs and there's other picketers around sign 504 we'll wait no more that same sign again and I think yeah Fran that's the flyer isn't it that's the right that's the flyer yeah you can you can see it says demonstrate on it and I don't know why I was there that day for sure I don't know why this was special to me unlike other demonstrations I don't know why I took my camera because I was I only had so much I only have so much energy even today once I started working at Sonoma State I took fewer and fewer photographs because my energy went into the end of figuring out what we were doing and starting a program not into my photography why I took my camera this day I'm not really sure either why is that somehow I knew you're right you are right I mean that I think that's why we were all there that somehow we knew this was a big one so that would have what would have resonated with me as if we get enough people there will make a difference that might have gotten me there to take the day off work I mean thank God I had the kind of job I did I came down shot the photos Steve and I drove back to Sonoma County and that night Steve got drunk and hitchhiked into San Francisco and talked his way into the building and so Steve was there for the next how many days 26 days here's probably one of the only photos that that looks kind of angry it shows a woman standing on a lift she's sign language interpreter she's standing on the lift of a of a van and those the kind of lifts that we had in those days they're called Tommy lifts and it mostly used to move refrigerators and furniture around it was hard to operate them independently but yet there's an awful lot of disabled people in this photograph I mean in the foreground there's what five wheelchairs six but I like how her hands are kind of grasped and she looks angry so I think it's cool the interpreter looks angry but everybody else looks pretty calm and there's Steve Diaz he reappears with the we shall overcome so Sam with his back to the camera in his wheelchair next to a guy using a wheelchair manual wheelchair and there's a whole bunch of other wheelchairs around and you can kind of see a sign that says equal opportunity for all and this photograph has gotten enormous play this last year particularly in the with the anniversary the ADA 25th anniversary it was hanging in the I was in Atlanta summer a couple years ago and went to the National Center for Human and Civil Rights and which is where Martin Luther King's papers are and this was hanging in that center about 75 yards from MLK's papers which that's pretty cool yeah that's very cool but it was a disability photograph so there's a whole bunch of Tom's photos there as well and they're on foam core rather than being framed rather than being done really nicely hanging in a hallway and the photos I have of it I should have one here it shows a bunch of shaping dishes because they're holding a reception for reporters so there's a bunch of shaping dishes with our photos in the background so it wasn't exactly you know the prime location but it was in the right place this is one of the few photographs patient no more had until Fran and I went visited Holland a little and talked her into giving up the photograph she had and those came in relative not late in the process but later in the process because you guys had my photographs from the very beginning and then we got got all ends and so a lot of hers are up there as well so these are just words powerful proud here's the photo here's a very famous photo and it shows an African-American man in Birmingham with a police dog attacking him and if you're what's interesting about this photo is it really shift it was appeared in newspapers across the country and it shifted how America viewed the African-American civil rights struggle and helped lead to the 1964 Civil Rights Act and if you're interested in photography it is imperative that you listen to what Malcolm Gladwell has to say in his podcast about this photograph because it's not what it appears this guy wasn't a demonstrator he was just an observer and he just got caught up in it and and there's a whole bunch of very interesting things and I don't have enough time to talk about him but I'll hang out if you want and here's a photo from the Birmingham fire department hosing down African-American demonstrators on the street which also led to a real shift in people's attitudes one of the things that occurred to me is that we need more photographs that create a myth about disability a mythic image of disability and about the importance of our struggle so I want to show some of Tom Olin's work and he's mostly covered adapt demonstrations where adapt is our radical organization that has demonstrated what I'm showing now very quickly is a lot of people using wheelchairs demonstrating in the streets and being arrested and here's a famous photo of his it's called the capital crawl and it's when particularly young people wheelchair users crawled up the steps of the capital to highlight the need for the ADA and so it's hard to find Tom's photos and a colleague of mine has been able to find some of the more that I consider more mythic and here's one of a couple of guys with the wheelchair users with the adapt flag which has the wheelchair symbol rather than the American than the state stars on the American flag here's a line of wheelchair users and there's Justin Dart who is one of the leaders of the disability rights movement weight blank weight weight blank one of the founders of adapt is a wheelchair user shows a picture of him separate is never equal in front of a bus more marchers I love this photo this I consider mythic and I think leads to creating a vision of the disability rights movement showing the adapt flag a guy in the foreground using a wheelchair double amputee well at least a double amputee if not twip roll over quad and this as you can see Tom's work it's more about the struggle but I but there's something that's I think uplifting about that and dare I say it inspirational and there's Justin Dart Judy human a number of people marching with a sign that says injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere so disability is rarely photographed and Rosemary has broken it down into four categories at 15 minutes wondrous sentimental exotic and realistic and so wondrous is strange and familiar freaks and super creep creeps here's a guy with a lower body amputation doing a handstand that's all right yes a famous freak show guy and then on the right hand photo is a wheelchair user in Yosemite over a many thousand foot drop sentimental here here's a couple of flyers for March of Dimes and look I can walk again the little girl saying as she gets out of her wheelchair and that's an E and J like I had when I grew up was growing up here's a man of the sentimental shot of a young boy with his cane and his prosthetics or as orthotics excuse me and my favorite of the sentimental it's a little doggy with a little doggy wheelchair and if you ever want to drive yourself crazy go on to YouTube or Pinterest there is a gazillion shots of little doggies with their little doggy wheelchairs and there's the exotic Amy Mullins I thought find very interesting the lower right shot shows her in her negligee with her running prosthetics and then the upper left shows her in her leopard prosthetics Amy Mullins and she has an interesting YouTube that's not bad talking about how we need to redefine the word disability she doesn't thank God reject the word itself she has said it do you I I'm a little nervous about them but I think that there I think there's a lot there and I think she explains it to an audience well and saying disability doesn't mean what what you the general audience thinks it means and it's closer to what I and most of you in the room think it thinks it means so young who who unfortunately died this is a poster of hers that says this is what disability looks like F star King irreverent which Stella young was very she's the one who coined the term inspiration porn yes which is a wonderful term I mean it really coming up with a word it's like the woman who said she was thought about writing her PhD thesis or coming up with a word for autism and she came up with neuro normal and that changed the conversation that one phrase well neuro divergent as well yeah yeah excuse me right now juice a little bit here so in terms of irreverence and coming up with a new imagery here's a number of photographs from Frida Kahlo and Frida Kahlo's closet her closet was closed on her death and it wasn't till the death of her sister that they exhumed things like the boot that's on the upper right hand corner that's read with the wonderful decorations on it and the the brace and lower right and it's I think her sister was embarrassed about her disability that's my guess and there is no catalog of that show of her closet from what I can tell but I do have a number of photographs so my current photographs why do I struggle to represent disability I grew up at a time where it's not okay to look at disability even for disabled people and I get a little embarrassed sometimes by things what makes things iconic I'm still struggling with that and what is the insider's perspective do I do I bring that insider's perspective to my work so this has been a guidepost to me it shows four latinas sitting in a car looking tough as nails and I would describe them as cholas and they've got a lot of a fair amount of ink and they have a very much a don't fuck with me attitude that I like and that I would like to see more disability photography that has some of this so it's kind of one of those things that is on the wall of my office to kind of remind me of how to how to look at photographs here's a photograph of a guy in the street on his wheelchair there's a sign says buy a picture help me get back to school and I don't know about you he looked pretty pitiful I found this guy embarrassing I didn't want to take the photo I snapped the photo I took it very quickly I didn't want to engage with the guy I've gotten better about engaging with people on the street but this is one of the reasons it's hard for me to take photographs of people with disabilities but I wanted this side of our community to be seen and here's a picture of Ann Capola and Denise Jacobson has her arm around and snack this is it yet another memorial at the Ed Roberts campus and I found this a difficult photograph to take because this is it's a private moment and I don't like intruding on private moments but when else do you see a disabled person comforting another disabled person that that imagery of that is never shown usually it's an able-bodied person comforting a disabled person and occasionally the roles are switched but never to disabled people and once again I'm shooting from my wheelchair so I'm at the same level as they are slightly lower so it's looking slightly up at them so I try and shoot the collective of people with disabilities not the individual because that's been this that's the shift from the 50s till now is disability is a collective not as an individual struggle but a collective struggle and I try and get the insider's perspective here's Mallory Nelson in her green wheelchair looking at her iPad and there in the center using her wheelchairs Mary Lou Breslin who looks somewhat shocked and somewhat unhappy standing to her right is Gene Stewart the novelist looking less shocked but more unhappy and what regal I don't know okay and then three other women I think one of them is Mary Lou's sister who is the least happy and I'm intruding upon this group I came around the corner at the Ed Roberts campus at a memorial I had my camera I put it to my eye they looked at me like who are you to be taking our photograph even though that two of them know me and I felt it was important to take that photo and I felt it was important to give Mary Lou a little mini lecture on it's important to document our community and I told her I said we need to have photographs we need to see who we are and that actually shifted Mary Lou in my relationship she's a lot more friendlier to me now I love this shot it shows somebody stand well there's three people standing one who's holding a white cane another with it I'm getting tired well there's the three people standing are getting a selfie taken and then there's a woman using a wheelchair looks very serious and what this was at was at a an expo and the woman who's using a wheelchair looking serious she's working she's in charge of the whole expo so she doesn't have time for the frivolity that the three people do and they're having a good time getting their selfie taken and they're to the far right as navel-bodied guy looking on going huh wonder what the hell is going on there and I always like to have an able-bodied person on the edge of the frame who's looking into the frame going what the hell is going on here's a nice shot of Alice Shepard who's a wheelchair dancer just after performance she did and she is enormously pleased with how well she did with her performance and she's clutching a bottle of water and she's there with her wheelchair and I really like this so sweet of her and it's not showing her dancing you there's a lot of pictures of Alice dancing very few of her is just being Alice so once again that I think this is a good example of an insider shot you know it an insider is going to see this and it's I think it's rather an outsider is going to think that's an important shot here's Eli Gillardon who is the executive director at MCIL they're in center friend event living at an expo looking into the camera wearing his ADI ADA 25 t-shirt bunch of wheelchairs in the background out of focus he does and he lies a little person yes who looks tall yeah because I'm I'm shorter than he is in my using my wheelchair yeah yeah I gave him a hug the other night when he came with my house and we're he's a little taller than I am good call thanks here's like cowl who works at the disability services and legal center I'll see and Santa Rosa and behind her is a guy who sells van Tony Nava and they're both using wheelchairs at a bowling thing I think the guy behind Lake and I like that I like taking photographs of Lake she's really lively there's Miss wheelchair America I think is in Atlanta so you can you can't tell that she's using a wheelchair actually except for the sash that says Miss wheelchair in a little crown and her flip that looks to me like 1964 but but the type but the airbrushed angels wheel t-shirt looks more 80s and here's a picture of Tom olden I am enormously proud of this photograph I'm shooting up at Tom making him look more bigger than life he's got his arms crossed that's his most famous photograph behind him showing Evan Kemp and the first president Bush signing the ADA on the on the ADA van that's Tom's photograph and there are very few photographs of Tom I don't know of any other photographs of him and so I'm just I'm really pleased that in talking to him I had the nerve to interrupt our conversation and just take his picture he's such a sweet guy here's a magician a sleight of hand artist using a scooter in Seattle right near the rock and roll museum I gave him five bucks he was kind of grumpy I don't know what to say about this photo it's another one of those this is part of our community I mean I that's what I try to do is I tried to call this this guy out as a disabled person you might walk by him and not think of him as disabled person you might think of him as you know a performer on the street even though he's using a scooter but he's a brother he's part of my community I've forgotten her name no we should all know it she was killed here in San Francisco in a traffic accident your tweet yeah and that's Eli behind taking a photo of me and I like the you know them it's very meta to have a take a photograph photographer taking a picture of you yeah but then to have her look so good in that photo and have her be a martyr to the traffic of San Francisco you know is I mean it's very it's touching and this before the Pride March oh and in the background is Suzanne Levine another photographer and then here's three wheelchair users two of them dancers part of a troop and the blonde woman the center is now on Broadway or was on Broadway a little while ago here's another picture somewhat like the Malory photo I mean another amputee and there's her photograph or wheelchair in the background and she's there with a video camera waiting to video access dance at Sonoma State's Person Theater and I just like it with the the light falling down on them from above it just it makes a rather dramatic shot the guy next to her looking rather sweetly upon her there's Malory again so it I see these as kind of with the boots and the crossed this is at the D young there's two wheelchair users two women at the D young and there's walkies around them who are all blurry because the camera shutter was so slow and I usually don't take already photos like this but I was inspired that day and it turned out to be nice and now the D young uses this as their illustration for their accessible program without photo attribution I'll have you know yeah I'm there real but heads about I mean if you borrow a photograph from them they're just really tough about attribution so no no a power wheelchair is a wonderful platform take photographs from you because it is very steady and so I can brace myself on my arm rests and be able I can shoot it about I'm sure a 30 second pretty easily and I can shoot it a 16th this probably not a 16th so here's Anne Fanger who's a wheelchair user you can't see that Jim Ferris who has an obvious mobility disability you can't see it in the photo either but we do have Artie from Glee a cardboard cutout of him in the background there and I took Artie to the Society for Disability Studies and for a dollar you could have your photo taken with him and it went into the scholarship fund and I love he was sitting down there and somebody came in it was when nobody was around and went up to the people who were running the conference and said what is that doing there so he said Anthony Tesla brought it and they said and the person went oh okay and I I didn't know I had a reputation of of that sort so here's my Humpty Dumpty series this is a large stuffed Humpty Dumpty in a manual wheelchair in front of a bunch of second-hand pants this is a part of Fran did a wonderful wonderful show called display down at Somarts and this I did that for that show it's called the Humpty Dumpty rehabilitation series and yeah Humpty had to get a job and here's Humpty in his wheelchair among a bunch of bicycles and here's a graduation high school graduation shows a woman in a purple wheelchair and her white graduation gown and cap and only high school Annaly Tigers and it's got a ramp coming into the photo from the right and a flag I call this my Robert Frank homage for those of you know Robert Franks the photographer and here is a little mini van bright red with flames on it that says yoga hell parked in front of a place that says beckerm yoga that has a lot of flames and it's parked in the disabled parking space and he does have a placard it's legitimately parked there but I love it for the photos I mean for the colors as sense of humor and here's a guy his head's tilted off the side getting on a lift on a railroad car in Alaska and because it was an overcast day the colors are pretty saturated and this was the photo that made me know that I was starting to get my eye back after not taking photos for 30 years I like this photo of Judith Smith the founder of Access Dance she's in her wheelchair looking down at a woman who's kneeling and there's something sweet and intimate about it but also the person with a disability is in a power position over the non-disabled appearing person I'm looking up yeah that Judith and here's Bonnie Luke with Sue performed with Access Dance and who does accessibility for trails along with the late Larry Paradis who is at the with disability rights advocates yet another memorial at the Ed Roberts campus and the two of them are smiling looking each other and talking to each other and there's a third wheelchair user kind of in the background I just like that because people hanging out having fun this is Jess Tom backstage in Biscuitland it's a performance she does she has Tourette's with her cohort Jess Mabel Jones and it was a stage play they did at Fort Mason that was wonderful it was just her TED talk was done at the Royal Albert Hall that's what and she had a floor of the Tate Modern Museum for an installation she did nobody seems to know her in this country but in England Royal Albert Hall her name is Jess Tom THOM and her performance was backstage in Biscuitland and it's definitely worth she's definitely worth checking out she is superb in her characterization of disability as it relates to her Tourette's here's a wheelchair user and his girlfriend and this just such a sweet shot and it's not obviously about disability but it is a disabled guy and I couldn't resist putting in my slideshow just because I like how cute they both are and here's a this is from display it's a woman talking reading her poetry right and Fran tells me the the woman's so it's a woman holding a microphone in front of a bunch of art and there's a woman standing there who's the Fran tells me is an interpreter yeah to my mind I looked at her knife and she looked to me kind of like an able-bodied I don't know somebody's making sure everybody stays in the straight and narrow which I kind of like once again I kind of like that this is Gailen Lee who is one of the tiny NPR's tiny desk concert she's a violin player and she plays her violin like a an upper it's shallow thank you I'm losing my language ability here two minutes okay and she was performing here in San Francisco and she's coming back I think she's probably gonna be it hardly strictly and she's Lindy my wife really liked her music which tells me something she does kind of a Celtic Galen Lee L.E.A. here's for performance by Axis dance it shows a couple of dancers and a wheelchair user and here's it I don't know his name I know Jim LeBrecht's name yeah with his Crip Camp t-shirt on at performance the Ed Roberts campus so it's a guy holding a microphone talking a very hip-looking wheelchair user with a lot of ink what's his arm say California and here perfect didn't just on time after Caravaggio what's there's a woman who's standing who is looking down at somebody who's a wheelchair user who's back to us and then looking at that woman is another standing woman who's wearing a crown and it has it looks kind of like Madonna because of the crown and it looks kind of like Caravaggio the people looking into the frame and I just I like the renaissance enus of it and the painterliness of it and the woman wearing the crown I don't have her name at hand but she does a lot of work under the hashtag hospital glam glam GL AM she has a hidden disability and so what she does is when she's in hospitals in doctors waiting rooms she takes selfies of herself glamming it up she's a rather attractive woman and so it's it it creates this tension of you're not supposed to be doing that in hospital rooms and she does so I do believe that's it got over the finish line and my wife helped me with enough of the word so thank you thank you so that's what I'm working on these days I'm gonna keep on working on