 Hey, thank you order. You didn't miss a whole lot. I'm in charge here right now Hey, well, I've been sworn back in I know but I'm in charge right now. I got it. I get this is This is real power. I got a power Power and plan B Oh I'm gonna say give you yours back. Okay, this is your election sign. You don't need it for two years, you know three years actually Don't worry about he doesn't need it for almost a thousand days All right, welcome everybody to the special meeting of the city council Thursday March 7th first thing pledge of allegiance and You know what I'm gonna ask Sue if she would like to lead us And to the republic for which it stands one nation under God Liberty and justice for all Thanks Tonight if we have an emergency Please leave this room and go down the stairway and out the front door and around to the parking lot behind To the south of the building if for some reason this hallway is blocked We'll go Tom will lead you out through the staff room and out to the parking lot behind and then around to the parking A lot to the south and I will be responsible for making sure the building is clear The first item of business now is to elect chair vice chair and clerk Are there nominations for the position of chair? I'll nominate Helen to continue his chair Megan to continue his vice chair and Tim to continue his clerk because he Reads so quickly all those words that somebody puts in front of him. It's great Any other nominations Okay, all right Laugh out there. Don't we need to second that I need to close nominations or not the nominations are closed. Okay All those in favor of the motion say aye. All right Opposed You guys have it and you have elected a slate of Well, thank you, and I just have a few few comments First I I really want to thank the other counselors for electing me chair I enjoy the work and I Appreciate your confidence and my ability to lead the council fairly even handedly and effectively We've accomplished much in the past year We tackle challenging issues like development and open space by establishing a short-term Interim zoning period and we're moving forward with committees and fact-finding We approved a lovely design for our city center building and worked out some agreements with the school board that voters sustained We saw the first affordable housing Allard Square built and city center We Offered a penny for paths proposal to begin to meet the needs of a walkable and bikeable city that passed to We improved our internal communication and decision-making process within the council We worked with several entities to preserve a critical and beautiful track of land in the southeast quadrant And those are just some of the highlights. I think on the downside We lost a valued city councilor Pat Noak and probably no one could replace her personality and zest for life in this community However, I feel really fortunate that Dave Kaufman agreed to fill out the term and helped us weather that loss Thank You Dave your enthusiasm and positive outlook was and is a wonderful addition and Apparently the public thought so too All in all we functioned we functioned as a focused and productive council Differences existed on various approaches and resolutions to city problems and opportunities But despite those lively discussions, I think we came away each time Confident that all angles were respectfully heard before a decision was final. I Pledge to continue that type of leadership for the council. We have lots to look forward to and lots to accomplish Importantly we forge ahead with the development of city center and the building of the library senior center and Jimmy and new City Hall Market Street a new entrance to Marcot Champlain housing trusts huge housing project and other Projects soon to be shared or still in the planning stage are exciting for all of us Once the IZ work is completed. We can use the information to address what growth can and should look like Parks and rec will continue I'm sure to provide the council with ideas for a rec center and we will discuss how to pay for it Perhaps a performing art center is in our future another exciting concept to enhance the quality and experiences for our residents and Closing Please continue to participate. This is to the public. Let us know what you're thinking Help us to continue to make this city a truly wonderful place to live work and recreate Nicely done Thank You mr. Enthusiasm Okay, that was a great recap I'm sure I forgot a couple good things but All right The next item item five is a possible executive session to discuss Pending civil litigate litigation to which this city is a party Yeah, I'd like to move that the council make a specific finding that premature general public knowledge of confidential attorney Communications made for the purpose providing professional legal services of the council regarding pending lawsuits to which the public body is a party would clearly place the Council in the city at a substantial disadvantage Having so found I now move the council enter into executive sessions for the purpose of discussing a matter identified in the previous motion All in favor Bringing with us Kevin Doran Tom Hubbard Andrew Bullock and Amanda Lafferty So should we go somewhere? Where are we going? Is it being used like to Call the order again the South Burlington City Council meeting of Thursday March special session March 7th 20 be 19 And we're an item six set the dates and times for regular meetings being held Between March 2019 and February 2020 so Do Monday nights at 6 30 the first and the third Monday of the month Unless that Monday is a national holiday, and then we meet on Tuesday. Does that still work for everyone? Yeah, and 6 30 continues to be a good time Do you need a motion? um I don't think we need a motion. We've agreed to that. Yep. All right, okay You have to have more seniority too if it goes past nine it's catered by else fries Okay Item seven the annual point Appointments and we have a list of the annual appointments to be made my by a majority vote of the city council Move to make these appointments. Do we need to read them all? No, we probably should As written on this sheet right here. Yes, right here city treasurer Tom Hubbard city attorney Andrew Bouldin Zoning administrator Paul Connor Acting assistant zoning administrator Delilah Hall acting assistant zoning administrator Kathy Ann LaRose Acting assistant zoning administrator Marla keen first constable sergeant Doug Dubey second constable corporal Kevin Greilis grandeur Kevin Dorn city agent and trustee of public funds Kevin Dorn Code enforcement officer Paul Connor acting assistant code enforcement officer Delilah Hall Acting assistant code enforcement officer Kathy Ann LaRose Acting assistant code enforcement officer Marla keen Telecommunications officer Paul Connor acting assistant telecom officer Delilah Hall acting assistant telecom officer Marla keen Emergency management director Terry Francis health officer Justin Rabbit is Motion to approve all those second a second any discussion. Yeah. Yes telecommunications officer Is that always been on this list, and I just never asked the question. What do they do? Telecommunications citing issues such that we control those so remember you had one right Some months ago about on top of building some Fiat drive All right any further discussion Okay, ready for the vote all in favor signify by saying aye So that is affirmative. We've made those appointments The next item is to designate the official paper of record record a Paper currently it's the other paper Designate the other paper is the designated official paper record Any discussion all in favor? Item 9 designate The as official depository the community bank, that's the current one so moved second all in favor We need to appoint a representative to the pension advisory committee There a second second All right any discussion is he really doing a good job Yeah, did you know? Okay, all in favor. Hi We need to approve and sign disbursements I don't know why I got that way. I'll move that we approve the disbursements second All in favor Okay item 11 Interim zoning application Izzy 1901 of Donald and Lois Kerwin to subdivide a two acre parcel developed with a single-family dwelling into four lots Ranging in size from point two seven acres to one point eighteen eight One point eighteen acres and to construct a new single-family dwelling on each of the resulting development lots 1420 Hinesburg Road, so I need a motion to continue the public hearing Or to open the public hearing. Okay. We have a second and a second all in favor Open the public hearing So we have received several new communications correct. We have a letter We have an additional letter from Mark Abrams Who lives at 174 Highland Terrace? It was an email I couldn't get it thanks to tick now. Oh, you have one too. Thank you. Mr. Marshall Scan it quickly at work, so I got the gist of it. I think so. Thank you. So this was Submitted you're aware of this. Yes. Yeah. Thank you Then we also have minutes draft minutes from the Planning Commission and Yeah, I was not able to attend but I got a communication from Paul Conner and he was there Is there a section here? Oh 12 1420 Hinesburg Road, right? Yes. Yes, so Do you mind if I read this? Okay, right? So mr. Conner reviewed the proposed subdivision and noted that the city council took testimony and did not see any major obstacles They did however want to check with the Planning Commission to see whether this would be counter to what the Commission is discussing regarding PUDs Mr. Conner showed the parcel on the map and indicated the proposed three building lots for single-family homes The new homes would front on Highland Terrace Members were concerned that this development could lead to others in the area wanting to do the same thing And the three houses could then become 20 Mr. Really suggested delaying this and building it into the PUD plans He said he was not averse to infill but felt it could defeat the purpose of the PUDs Mr. Conner noted that the properties to the north and the south are also individually owned Mr. Gagnon Question whether they can regulate down to a small lot Ms. Ostby said this could function as a cottage cluster with 12 units per acre Which would then be a benefit to the applicant She said that unless there is some urgency it could be in the city's and the applicant interest to delay approval Other members agreed Mr. Conner suggested having someone draft a written report to the council Ms. Luizzo said she can do that if the council wants something in writing So that was the feedback from the Planning Commission per their minutes from 26th February of this year So do you have some further information you'd like to share with us or so neither Mr. Curwin nor myself were able to attend the Planning Commission so That being the background You know what I'm sorry. I'm Dave Marshall from Civil Engineering Associates And they're still sworn in because it's a continued hearing right? Perfect. Thank you. So as far as the fact that we weren't able to attend the Planning Commission meeting we were concerned that Two things One that perhaps an understanding of again what the Kerwin's are going to do and what the character of the existing conditions are As far as the property Coupled with the other side of the coin, which is you know I think we'd also like to get a better understanding of what the Planning Commission is is looking to do Only because under prior interim zoning applicants have come forward to the city council with proposals that Would align the proposed project closer to perhaps what would be Adopted by the city as part of the process of interim zoning Obviously many much much of that is speculative because we don't really know what the end result is going to be but in order to address the Intent of the interim zoning and to basically Allow a project to go forward with extra or additional components that would help Allay the concerns of the city council that the original intent of interim zoning and the timeout that was being requested Would allow the application perhaps to go forward so right now we stand flat-footed a little bit on the issues of Planned unit developments and specifically the density issues that were brought that were discussed What we were kind of hoping for is perhaps Have the ability for Mr. Kerwin and ourselves to discuss the project with them so that they so we could have a confidence level that a they fully understood what the characteristics of the property were and and at the same time to also absorb what they were thinking about as far as Goals to be presented to the city council as far as ideas on how how to perhaps change the land use regulations in a way that Would enable the concerns of the city council to be appropriately addressed so that being the background we Would not like to be in a position where you have to deny the application at this point in time But perhaps if we could ask for a continuance ourselves to allow us to Have that additional level of communication with the planning commission We may end up the same place, but at least we will have done Our diligence on that end of things to to fully understand and to fully educate them at the same time on This particular project and perhaps how we could change the project to come closer to perhaps some of the Things that they're envisioning So that's the perfect world And I think at this point in time I think just a request of the applicant to allow for a continuance is The favor we asked of the city council at this point in time and didn't know if that was something that you could entertain And it may very well help inform their consideration of the various Kinds of PUD that they're envisioning have you asked to get on their agenda do you know with at this point? No, we this is brand new tonight as far as the game plan perhaps on how to catch up with the planning commission on their thoughts and This particular project so if we continue do we need to a date certain? Yes, we do so I wonder when The planning commission at this point Continue it again, right? Should we how long you get a month out? Yes, you're reading our minds tonight It's a bad day So why don't we agree to continue This inner zone inter interim zoning hearing to April is it the first 15th the 15th April 15th at Should we say And seven thirty eight o'clock seven thirty, okay seven thirty But before you leave right I think we should discuss the other thing that occurred last Thursday, right With the environment environmental court, I think we should bring that up and make that part of the record tonight All right, so so right is it can I go ahead with it? Okay? So so as you probably know last last Thursday there was a decision by the Vermont Environmental Court in the case of Epinicole homeowners and a couple of neighbors who appealed the approval of the Development project for spear meadows, which is part of the Chris Snyder's Company so in in in that appeal the judge found on two of five points Grounds for which he declared the South Burlington transferable development right regulations invalid So that being the case we want to get that into the record because I we believe that there's a TDR involved here In this application right so so knowing that there's this like technical problem That's thrown into the to the midst of of this project We want to make sure that we understand that it's it's something that we're going to be looking at as well No, I think that's fair. I Think that's the best thing we can say at this point. Okay go a lot of different directions Okay, thank you. Well. Thank you for your time. You're very good. So I need a motion to We already did that or did we vote on that? No, I don't think we So I would entertain a motion to continue the public hearing till April 15th at 730 Okay, all in favor Thank you. Thank you for your time again. There you go. Thank you Okay item 12 discuss issues issues related to hate speech in Vermont if you recall Monica Otsby brought forward a Letter I guess from Brattle girl that was talking about the issue around hate speech and wanting Other communities I think to sign on and encourage the legislature and the attorney general to Have a written statement that Or pursue it I have to say that I Very much reluctant to start pushing for any kind of regulation of hate speech because hate speech It's a it is an amendment one first amendment issue and I find it to be very unclear What hate speech is? However the stalking charge, I mean I don't I'm not familiar with the law on stalking, but she was clearly harassed I I Realized that as public officials people have a right to harass us. I mean And that is just the fact I've received hate mail. I've been treated poorly in times And I've talked to the police chief and been told Unless you're in physical danger Welcome to the job and so it's It's hard. It's I really sympathize I really am appalled that this legislator was Subjected to this heinous treatment But based on my experience and Based on what I consider to be really important value enshrined in the first amendment. I I don't see What I could grab on to in terms of language. I know that the Legislature is working on something. I Haven't seen it. So I I can't even sign on right. I haven't seen it either. I'm really struggling I mean, this is a hard fact of living in a free society Other comments. Well, I generally agree. I think I'm I'm always reluctant as a community government To start taking stands on issues that more are more of a statewide measure that are very controversial we voted we put the the smoking thing or the cigarette whatever the heck that was on the ballot and But they were in that they were indication that that wasn't that wasn't something that was Related to hate or controversy or anything else that was Health and this is just I think we're stepping beyond our general capacities as city officials For something that's being discussed at the legislative level That's that's my feeling at the moment and and we That I agree with all the things that you said Tim it was their resolution specifically yet. Well, they they did have some Resolution language. There's a letter. It was a letter and it was pretty broad and all encompassing Which makes me a little concerned, but at the same token, you know, I recognize that We live in a community that's had some real real challenges around You know hateful language that have been has been directed at a student and spray painted on the and assault and assault and The whole controversy and discussion around the rebel name and what that means to people and its effect on Persons of color so I Was I was willing to think about a Some kind of statement or letter that maybe we just send to our legislators that that kind of outlines that were You know, we're a community that is facing that we're sensitive to the challenges of Free speech on the one hand, but you know safety for students and individuals And would encourage them to You know, it doesn't match the situation However, because she was an elected official running for office as opposed to you know minors attending high school, right? It's a very different situation what I would say if you we wanted to you know entertain writing a letter is writing Kia Morris and expressing our Our experience and that gives a sympathy with her case Both from the experience of the rebel, but also as elect. I mean, I can speak personally I've been you know subjected to some things. I think there are other counselors Who have also been subjected to? You know that we have a former chair who had to have police protection through so We we fully understand the discomfort and the stress and distress On the flip side we could write the letter to our four legislators and copy it to The One way or the other I don't I don't have a problem with that just encouraging as statewide legislative officials to we support civil discourse in the state of Vermont and support Whatever efforts they make to to eliminate Lack of civil discourse, however you want to phrase it It's very painful because I mean I did share my lament about our low voter turnout on a public Facebook page And I think that the coarseness of language does degrade that that you know participation Right, I think that it discourages people from running for office. Oh, that's what I said and I think that it You know, it really places a paw On what should be you know a rock in our society, right? democracy is a rock and When we when we start chipping away at it by stalking harassing threatening You know setting people up in ways that just you know make them vulnerable to you know to all kinds of You know consternation it just it's it's degrading What do you want? What do you think what do you think we should do? I? Mean, it's not it's not a policy statement. It's no it's simply an expression of concern. Yeah I mean it so you're saying we we can draft something and Send it either to the former representative What's your name? Yeah, yeah Morris and copy it to our legislators are send it to our legislators and copy it to key Morris I'm happy to draft something because I do feel I mean I I'm certainly not been targeted for my race But I have been targeted just as an official with some power. I think that's fine. I think it's appropriate I think you know, I said civil discourse civil discourse and behavior You know discourses words and behavior is behavior something like that. I mean that's why I see it Well, and I think as a community We've experienced Yeah, a fair amount in the last two years two and a half years that I think raises the Maybe sensitivity at least of some not of all Because legislators would be the ones that would need to make appropriate decisions from a legislative perspective I think it's more more logical Don't know about appropriate more logical to send it to our legislators and copy it to to key a Morris Each of our first put each of our legislators legislators and then copy it to her You can copy it to you can copy the governor's office if you want It's incredibly sad because haven't they changed the way we can contact them even right haven't they made it more You don't know where their home address you don't know their home address. You don't have their home phone. You don't I think they changed those as of last week No, no, no, this was a month or two ago when Kim Morris was stepping down You can still go online find and find out that information. Yeah with their addresses. Yeah, okay Tim, did you want to weigh in in some manner? Well, I mean the case is really interesting because you Know obviously Kim Morris, I mean her she and her family suffered emotional duress during that a time of harassment by a community member, right and the the Without getting into the legal weeds, right our Attorney General took a really hard look at it but was unable to I think prosecute right and and I Mean from having read about mr. Donovan and having met him I would assume that he he did his his homework on this really closely because this is a really unique case I think so I have to trust that he he interpreted the law correctly and it's one of those really fine lines, right? So but but one thing you can do is express as you said sympathy but not just somebody but solidarity that that That we understand that this is not how you treat people and we don't think it's right either We thought it was mistreatment and you know, we we don't know whether it was legal or not, but we certainly you know support her in in Which she and understand what she went through and and empathize with that Well, I go further and say we support legislative legislation that is within the context of upholding the United States Constitutional all at the same time But if we're not we're just not gonna put up with this Yeah, it's terrible to hang And I think that yeah, that's not it's it's a matter of Saying it and I think you know, I mean it's it's that question You know when you see a neighbor's child misbehaving do you as a neighbor say something right and I think that to some degree We have to we and it's not only for a child, right? It's for adults to there's there's a responsibility in all of us To to really hold one another accountable and we're all capable of stepping over the bounds. So really Why don't you draft something and circulate it we can It's not like there's a timeline. Yeah, I mean, it's not something that we have to get out tomorrow because Okay, I'm I'm satisfied with that great, okay item 13 consider convening as the South Roentgen liquor control commission to approve Gracie's liquor store a number of Gracie's liquor store Jiffy Mart starving artist cafe. I didn't see anything in the box. I Didn't look in the box. I didn't realize there was going to be I Didn't look in the box either It's in there yeah I'm looking at I don't know it's it's in the box Is it a problem if we push it off to the next meeting that I do not know the next meeting is The 18th well there are four I apologize I didn't When I tried to download one of the cities Kevin do you know if the Is the starving artist a new license or I imagine so it hasn't been there that long You don't know. Okay. You know where it is, right? Yeah. Yeah, I Just didn't know they they did breakfast and lunch. Yeah, the Davis studio I don't know they've been open a while Yeah, but I'd never I've never been I have to remember. Well, I've been there a couple times for breakfast. It's great I just I didn't ask to serve bloody Mary's, but I Didn't notice that they were offering it either I didn't see a little service bar anywhere So but second class is just beer and wine. I'm comfortable if you Sean Burke is signed off They filled all the paperwork out Megan if you're comfortable, I'm comfortable All right, are you comfortable if you two are comfortable uncomfortable and I'll be comfortable too Especially if we in this meeting so I move that we convene as the South Lane and liquor control Commission All in favor. Hi. I will move that we approve the second class Licenses for Gracie's liquor store Gracie store Jiffy Mart and the first-class restaurant bar license for starving artist cafe Any discussion all in favor signify by saying I I move that we come out of What's the word you want to use that we unconvene? It's the liquor but we adjourn Okay as the liquor control Commission Okay, yeah, I move we reconvene. Yeah, that's what you meant. Okay. Yeah second and we have a second all in favor Hi, all right, so we're back in as the city council So we're in the process of this awarding a contract for this Kennedy drive-pond three Kevin. Yes. Yes To the firm listed in the notes right recommendation of the right staff yeah second Any discussion all in favor hi I Any other Any other wait a minute, is there any other business too quick things if I may At the at an upcoming meeting Doesn't have to be immediate but at an upcoming meeting we want to have a discussion with you about the results of the vote on Tuesday and Guidance about moving forward Tom and I are meeting with the Recreation and Parks Committee on Monday Obviously, they have a great interest in in Where this it goes as it relates to the indoor? Facility, but we do want to come back to you in the next couple meetings talk about that also In the next couple meetings Tom and Justin and I want to come in and talk about paving It's Justin's view and I think Virtually everybody in the city's view that this winner has been more difficult for our roads than any road it or winter in memory Plus we have some additional damage on roads caused by some heavy traffic in certain areas Tom and I've talked to Justin about this. We're going to meet again and talk about it But it's possible. We're going to come to you in the next couple meetings and talk about an enhanced Purchase Contract for this year, so I just want to give you a heads up about that Means bigger bigger. Yeah Wider streets, we're gonna finally get some really good Multiple communities throughout the state are gonna want to do the same thing and the paving company is gonna really have to peddle hard to keep up It is we're hardly the only I mean having driven to Montpelier recently and try burrowing to It was like this what was it it was like a funny it wasn't a cartoon It was an actual picture of police officer saying Should we see if they're drunk or are they just dodging the pot? Because that's that's how it is driving in Burlington When we have that discussion Kevin can can we also discuss? Like it some sort of a schedule and method for at least repairing the potholes that are the worst in the city, right? Yes, and at least making them and knowing that they're gonna be a flush fill not it not a dip fill Once the the thaw cycle is gone, right? Because because at least for the period until they're paved We want them as smooth as we can make them. Well Justin Justin's gonna be in before you either their first or second meeting and in April with the Second the second meeting in April with the contract award. So we're out to bed now Okay, with I think in that meeting that would be fine. I would like to add another aspect because this was Raised with me and that is and I didn't know the answer if what the system or prioritizing it is for Plowing the sidewalks and this was a concern raised on So I'm worried Lane. Well, no in Williston Road that near the Apartments where there are a lot of people on wheelchairs That portion was really horrendous Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so I just I didn't know the answer But I would love to have a conversation about how do we prioritize? I mean, I know we do with roads certainly and if there is some method to the sidewalk Plowing and then additionally and it doesn't have to be this meeting but Sometime in the future. I would really like us to discuss What the Size or commitment in terms of Bonding for really fixing the roads not just putting an inch and a half of new Macadamon every couple of years and having that go through but I think there's some roads that probably need to be Be gone from scratch Reconstructed and I would like to just have a start a conversation on What that might cost and look like and if that's I mean I know the last thing we want is to go ask for more property tax And I don't know whether maybe there's other ways to fund that but I just think this This winter really raised some issues with me if I know it was You know cold and then warm and cold and that does a job But there may very well be some fundamental issues on some of these streets That we really it's some point we need to address And I'd like to know what that is And then you know we really plan for at least have that conversation and Get some input from the public about What is it you want to pay for we know they don't want to use a Local option a local option tax although that was a pretty it wasn't overwhelming It was closer than I thought it was going to be an average of about a hundred and forty people Bypassed all the races and orchard and didn't fill them in and went straight to the 1% and said probably probably said no That's my that's my analysis. They didn't even bother to fill in the circles in the race the four races Yeah, they went straight. Yeah Yeah, what made you think that but the number was because you can tell how many undervotes and overvotes They were for each race, right and an underboat means they didn't fill either bubble. Yeah Yeah But anyway, I mean, I don't want to debate that now But that could be part of our discussion when I think when we if we come to some conclusion about what we do about their streets You know people are always complaining about them, so I guess my sense is if you want things to either be built a project to Be built or roads to be fixed Then it needs some resources Which means tax increase and you know, let us know but I mean it so People driving cars through our city. There's two things that they suffer. Well, not not our city But when they drive they perceive suffering from two things one, you know Really bad roads and to traffic delays, right? So if if you want to impress people it's like make the road smooth and And try not to delay them in ordinarily long, right? Well rebuilding Don't waste their time. The thing is don't waste their time. That's that's the key is you know Hold our meeting is out there on the meeting Okay, we're not we're not the only ones with this problem Maybe Justin maybe doing it doing it already but reaching out to other communities throughout the state his counterparts Saying what are you doing? Just so we have an idea of what all it because this is a statewide problem And just just as a side note to that this isn't something we're looking at one time You know, I think I mentioned to you folks when I took a class to Green Mountain Power in January, yeah, yeah, and Green Mountain Power weather experts say this is the this is the pattern We're going to live with into the foreseeable future. So it's not like this is a one-year thing We got it. We got to take some real solid action The pattern of Chicago, right? We call summer construction season. Okay, so We're a little bit further south we get a little bit more Variability, it's it's going to be a major future problem. The other thing I mentioned start discussing it then I sent said Kevin and no Well, yes, I sent Kevin a note. I think maybe the April 1st meeting the the extension of the lease for the for the Durset Park skating Association the rings have decided to proceed with the with the common entry way for the for the arenas where Hopefully we're on a fast track for that We'd like to get it under construction this spring and done by fall about 2.2 million dollar project But in order to do that, we need to refinance in order to refinance We need to extend the lease with the city out to I think 2040 I'll be getting elderly by then But I don't anticipate we'll have a problem that I just want to put it on everybody's radar That's right, are any 2dRs involved in it Right Not funny Okay, those are a couple items for future conversations and discussions now now Counselor Coffin, what is your motion to adjourn? I won't be here on the 18th April March March March 18. I Won't be here for the second meeting in April. Whoa We have a some one other signature tonight We can certify that that's a case, but you need to certify to so