 I'm going to use sticks to call, but I want you to just give me a quick fist of five to show me five as I feel really comfortable and ready to share a connection between these books. And remember, we go all the way down to, I'm not ready with an answer just yet. So just give me a fist of five in front of you because it's between you and I. And that will help me decide as I pull these sticks out if I'm going to just slip it back in for later on. Owen, would you share with us please, Owen, I want you to share with us please one connection or similarity of these books. They both had to work really hard to get the education and power of learning. They sure did, didn't they? Thank you, Owen, for sharing that thought for me. Show those fist of fives back up again one more time.