 Welcome back, everyone. We'll begin with Shani's question and then I'll proceed. Yeah, I just, I just kind of, I still don't understand. I know you said that afterwards you counseled a person to find out what the open door is. Okay, I kind of understand. But while you're trying to cast out and you're asking like, what, what is the point of asking them questions? What they possess and you're trying to cast out, that's what I'm not really understanding. Okay, so Shani, like when we, when we talk about deliverance, as I stated earlier, for Jesus, it was a one step experience. That means it was a matter of a few minutes. But when we look at actual deliverances, I mean, there are, there are people that you can, we look at Pablo Potari's model. That's an individual who engaged in something like 30,000 deliverances before he wrote out his 10 steps. And similarly, there's a book by Derek Prince, if you've ever read it. And, you know, in my name, they shall cast out demons. That's what the book is titled. But when you read all these books from people's experiences, we understand that deliverance sessions may take five minutes. They may even take five days or five months. So that's where this thing about identifying entry point is helpful because you can always use it in the process. And especially if the process is long, let's say it takes two weeks to cast out a demon from a person. In those two weeks, isn't it helpful to identify the entry point? I hope that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Okay, it makes, it makes sense kind of like in the, in the long term, like if it's two weeks, whatever, but like a few minutes that it didn't seem like it makes sense for me a couple of minutes, but in the long term, this is more like in the long term. That what you're saying? Yes. Unfortunately, you know, sometimes it can even be months because the willingness of the person is involved. And, you know, there are so many other factors. Okay. Thank you. Understand. Yeah, sure. Thank you. Okay, so a few other thoughts. Be persistent. Persistent is to be committed to the deliverance of that individual. See, the tendency is we want to give up. We've tried, it's taking two days, three days, sometimes a few weeks and the person is not fully free. We may get discouraged and give up, but don't quit. Be persistent. Keep praying, asking God, God, what can I do differently? What can I do? You know, what is the issue? Help me to understand. So in that way, keep trying, keep trying as much as possible. The other aspect is that demons are very stubborn. We say that, right? They are very stubborn. They won't, they don't like to let go of their territory. Once they've occupied a house, they've occupied. They don't like it if we ask them to leave. So they will also act very stubborn. You know, they'll do all kinds of things, distraction. So we also have to be very determined. So deliverance ministry that way, that's why they say it's not easy. We need to determine, like, you do what you want to do. I will do what I have to do. Don't give up. Keep persisting and don't ever take it as a failure, right? And the good thing is, see we can keep learning from every situation, our own experience, experience of other people and keep praying and saying, Lord, what can I do different to set this person free and keep trying, okay? So that don't give up attitude is very important. And whenever possible, especially in deliverance ministry, it is helpful to work in a team. Now, we know in some situations, we are alone. We go somewhere, we are alone and we have to cast out a demon. Okay, we still have authority, we can do it. But if it is a planned exercise or a session, as I'm calling it, it is good to have more people from the team because we can all exercise collective faith. And we can all and it is also said that sometimes it's very exhausting to cast out demons. It may take a couple of hours. We are praying, we are speaking to the individual, we are commanding, you know, all that is going on. And what we can do is we can take turns. So first, maybe I am doing the commanding. Then I tell another brother, can you take over? Then I am praying, right? So this way team work is very helpful. And when we work in a team, we need good understanding. So what happens is, when we are in a team, the tendency is everyone wants to command the demon, right? But it can confuse the demon, like one can say, come out in Jesus' name. Another person can say, I bind you in the name of Jesus. So the demons like, what should I obey? Everyone is saying their own thing. So team will not work like that. We need good understanding. So when one person is speaking, everyone else is either praying or, you know, they are just confessing scriptures. So that kind of understanding is needed. We all cannot be in the front, right? And doing the commanding. So it should be okay. So that kind of an understanding in a team will help the process to be faster. So get a good team and minister together. And it's helpful, like how I told you, my friend, you know, she was telling me, no demons are there. We have to, we have to pray more. Okay, you pray and you command. So in a team, that again is an advantage. Holy Spirit can reveal one thing to one person, another thing to another person, and all of us together are ministry. So that's how it is. And always consider post-deliverance care. Okay, what is post-deliverance care? It means, see the demon came out and we are happy about it. But that is not the end. That's actually the beginning. When a person is free, that is actually the beginning. Because we have to now guide the person to live free their whole life. How can that happen if they are strong in the word, right? If they are filled with the Holy Spirit. So as pastors, ministers, we have all that work to do to ensure that the person is plugged into church. They have good personal habits of devotion, right? They have overcome the temptation, the common temptation which they used to have. All this is part of post-deliverance care. So the work is not over. We still have work after the demon comes out. And we always say that, you know, the name Beelzebub. People accuse Jesus, right? They said, he's casting out demons by Beelzebub. So what is the meaning of that name, Beelzebub? It means the Lord of the flies. The Lord of the flies. And we know that whenever there is leftover food which is rotting, you see flies coming and sitting on it, isn't it? So it's very similar. Why do people call Satan as Beelzebub? Because he's attracted or flies are attracted to garbage. And in our lives, what is the garbage? Sin is garbage. So if there is sin, no matter what kind of rebuking we are doing, what kind of commanding we are doing, flies will come, demons will come. You can't set that person free because garbage is still there. So post-deliverance care, sorry, sounding very terrible when we are saying garbage. But just for your understanding, right? That as long as our life is not right with the Lord in terms of, you know, doing the right thing, shutting the door to sin, we can't help it, demons will enter. So as ministers in post-deliverance care, ensure that the plate is clean. So if plate is clean, you don't have to struggle, flies will not come. Okay? So that's the way in which we have to work with people. So now let's come to the steps. We said Jesus was one step, but actually when we all engage in deliverance, it is a multiple step process and this model, it's called the Pablo Botari deliverance model. It was formed by a person called Pablo Botari and he is part of the ministry of Carlos Anacondia from Argentina and what they used to do is they had tents, deliverance tents. If people were demon possessed, they would be brought to the tents and in those tents, they will exercise authority, cast out demons. So like this, Pablo Botari has participated personally, I mean before coming up with this model, in 30,000 deliverances. So I'm sure he knows what he's talking about and he's come up with 10 steps that will help any believer cast out demons. So we are going to look at those steps and apply it in our own experience. So what are some common things that we must understand before getting into the steps? We are ministering to the person and not the demon, right? So we are clear about that. It's not about the demon, it's about the person. We are going to exercise authority and the faster the deliverance is done, the better. So we don't want to drag it. Then wherever possible, talking to the person or counseling, we will do that because that's going to help us. Then we will also identify entry points or open doors through which the demons are actually coming in and affecting the person. And sometimes there may be no manifestation but still the person could have been set free. So these are some basics which we all know. Now let's go into the steps. So the first step is give the individual priority. I will go through all the steps. Okay, let me read out all the 10 steps and then I will go to the individual steps. So give the individual priority. If a spirit manifests, bring it under submission in the name of Jesus. Establish and maintain communication with the individual. Ask the individual what he or she wants to be free from and try to make sure he or she really wants to get free. Make sure the individual understands to make Jesus Christ Lord and Savior. Interview the individual to identify root causes and entry points. Lead the individual in closing these doors to the admission of spirits. When all doors are closed, cast out the unclean spirit or spirits. Lead the individual in a prayer of praise and thanksgiving. Have the individual ask the Holy Spirit to fill him or her and when done, provide post ministry suggestions. So let's look at each one. But as we have already discussed, these are not, though it is 10 steps, it's not a formula. So it may so happen that when we are ministering the order goes a little here and there. That's fine. But mostly we can stick to this order. So give the individual priority. It means be loving to the person but be firm to the demon. Okay, be loving to the person but be firm to the demon. So being loving to the person also means be encouraging of the person. So you know, we can say something like, I'm going to command now. I'm going to command the demon. Don't get scared because sometimes what happens, people get very scared. We are shouting at the demon. But they go through a very traumatic experience because it's almost like we are shouting at them. But all this can be clarified in the beginning itself. We can tell them, look, we understand you are being tormented by demons. So we are going to minister. So there will be times when we are commanding the demon. Don't get scared. Don't get scared. We are not shouting at you. So clarity, person versus the demon. So be loving and kind to the person and be firm with the demon. Now it is also possible that the person gets very discouraged because you see somebody who's demon possessed. It's possible that they were taken to many pastors. They were taken to many ministers of God and the demon didn't come out. So when they have come to us, again they are like, oh, for so many years I'm suffering again. These people are going to do this. They'll call, they'll rebuke, they'll command. So for the person, it can be quite hard. It can be quite difficult. They're already suffering because of the demon for so many years. And now again, put them through a process of deliverance. So think about it. You know, so we need to be kind to the person but be angry with the demon. Then if a spirit manifests, right? So I shared with us, they behave like this or some movement or they start to shout or they start to speak loudly. We can exercise authority to bring the demon under submission. So we can say like how Jesus said, keep quiet. I command you to keep quiet. Or I remember once, one sister, she was demon possessed. We had gone for some mission strip. And in that mission strip, we were casting out as a team actually. Like all of us were casting out even when pastor was also there. But it was taking a long time, this particular sister. But in her situation, the demon was very violent. So violent, like throwing her body here and there, we were literally catching her. About two to three of us, we were holding her tight. Otherwise, if we don't hold her tight, she'll go fall here, fall there. In fact, she hit her hand to the wall and injured her fingers quite badly. So the demons are like that. They can behave weird. And so as a minister, if they are harming the person, we take authority. We say in Jesus name, I command you not to do this. And if we are working as a team, make sure that the demon is not harming the person. Because demons do that. They'll try to injure. They'll try to make them fall. Something they'll do so that the person gets badly hurt. And so we can just hold them. And we can even tell them, look, we are not trying to restrict you. But we are just trying to protect you. That's why we are holding on. If they have the understanding. So in this way, take authority and ask the demons to submit. Keep quiet or don't move or don't hurt this person. We can say things like that. Then if possible, establish communication, start to speak to the person. And tell them what exactly we are doing. Now, if that person is able to communicate with us, it will be helpful. Right. Now, if they are not, don't worry about it. There are times when, you know, we are commanding to that person. And we say something like, look at me. Look at me. Right. I'm talking to you. Are you able to hear me? So it happens like, you know, when we do like that, the person may respond to us. They may say, yes, you know, I'm listening to you. I'm listening to you. Are you okay? Are you doing fine? The person may say, yeah, I'm doing good. It's fine. You know, so it's two separate things. Talking to the demons and talking to the person. So these are things we can do. They may actually encourage the person as you are doing the session. So communicate with them. And maybe you can even say, you know, it's just going to take some more little more time. Be strong. We'll be done with this something like that. So you just speak to them. Then also ask the person whether they want to be free. Remember, we talked so much about the will of the person. So they should be willing to get free. If they're not willing to get free, let's say, you know, we're talking to them. And then they say, okay, do you want to be free of this D of these demons? And the person says, no, I don't want to be free. Right. So again, you ask them, are you sure you don't want to be free? If they say, no, I don't want to be free. Right. Whatever you're saying, I don't believe in it. I don't want to be free. You have to close the session right then because there's no point. There's no point carrying forward. So at that point, we are going to, we are going to stop. We'll say, okay, fine, no problem. You know, take care. We'll be praying for you. Hope you are, you know, these problems you come out of these problems. Just let them go. I know it's very difficult, but you see the will of a person is always the limitation. If they are not willing, nobody can do anything. Right. So that's how it works. So the step four, if they don't want, just stop. If they are willing, continue, if you feel like they need, you know, some discussion and clarifying, then talk to them some more and ask them. So I remember this one incident where we, again on one of the mission strips and a girl started manifesting. I may have shared these stories. I think I don't know if, if I have then apologies. I'm just repeating myself. So there's this one girl. She was manifesting the demon spirits and we were trying to cast out. So there was a few of us and, you know, we were all part of the youth. So we went, whatever we've learned in Sunday sermons and, you know, read pastors books. We thought we'll apply everything. So one is commanding in Jesus name. You come out. Another is saying, I bind you. I lose you. Everything we know we are trying to get the demon out, but the demon was not coming. So then what to do now? So we called, we actually called pastor. We were like, we tried so much, but it's not happening like pastor. What, what should we do? Then he prayed and he just said, let's, let's see if there is some dedication. Right? So we called her mother. Her mother was close by. Her mother and we started asking, you know, it's like the step four because demon is not coming out. We already started casting it out, but it's not coming out. So when we inquired with the mother, she told us that I've actually dedicated my daughter to the goddess of beauty. So when she was born, we have made that dedication. And so then we understood there is a dedication over her life. So even if we come and unless the dedication is broken, the demon will not come out. Right? Did you understand? So when we found that out, we had to talk to the mother and we had to talk to the daughter also. And we had to explain to them that we have to break the dedication. Are you okay? Right? Now that the mother was a believer, I think the daughter too, but they still had this dedication with the demon. So we explained to them, then we prayed with them. We said, okay, repeat after me. Right? I am a child of God. I belong to Jesus. My body belongs, my spirit, soul and body belongs to Jesus. I'm redeemed by the blood of Jesus. I'm no longer committed to these gods and goddesses. So we had to take them through all that. I renounce it. I break it. All kinds of prayers, after which when we commanded the demon, it just came out. The girl was free like that. Once we prayed to break the dedication. So see the step four is where we are trying to understand all these things. Like what exactly is going on? Why is this person in bondage? How did they get into bondage? Right? And when we find that out, we are then able to deal with that specific bondage and address it. So if the person is not a believer, step five. Step five, what is it? This is about accepting Jesus as your personal savior. So we would say, why should we do this? Why should we do this? If they are not a believer during deliverance, so that unity. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So unity agreement of another person who's in Christ. Fine. So one of the main reasons is when we are in Christ, we are translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. Automatically we are free. So that is why salvation, bringing somebody into salvation is so very helpful. Because immediately all the bondages are broken. Immediately all the, you know, many things are broken. And when the person is redeemed, they come under the kingship and lordship of Jesus. Then demons can't stay. So that's another reason. So we can pray for them and we can say, you know, would you like to receive the Lord Jesus as your savior? Pray with me, repent of your sins and then lead them in the salvation prayer. And also another reason is that once they are free, once they are a believer. Remember in Matthew 12 it says demons are going to come back. At that time the house has to be clean. What is the meaning of that? The person should be saved. The person should be, you know, walking with the Lord. Only then the demons will not re-enter. So for that sake lead them into salvation. And point six here is to shut entry points. Entry points. So entry points means we take them through, you know, like we try to understand if the demons, if we are clear that there is an issue out of, because of which the demons have entered. Like we said sin, right? Sin is one thing. Now even if the person has been through a traumatic experience, it is noted that difficult experiences in life sometimes, right? Our will power is a little low that in those moments we are weak in our will. So demons can even enter through traumatic experiences. That's why emotionally people are still hurting. Many things are not yet healed because the trauma of what they went through, it can even carry a demonic influence. I'm saying it can. I'm not saying it always does. It may carry. So when we find out all these things, we may have to lead them as point seven says, lead them in a prayer. And what does this prayer say? This prayer will help them shut the doors. So how to shut the doors? What are the prayers that will shut the doors? Till now what we know is this person wants to be free. They have told us they want to be free. So we can work with them. The prayers are something like first is forgive. You see when we carry unforgiveness in our hearts towards others, demons spirits can influence. Got it? So living our lives with forgiveness in our hearts is very important. Very important for believers. Believers may say, you know what? I'm just upset with that person because of what they did. I mean, it's understandable. But in the long run, keeping unforgiveness and letting unforgiveness grow in our hearts is very dangerous even from the spiritual side. Because it can be an entry point for demons. So in prayer, we can lead them to pray to release forgiveness. Something like, okay, let's agree together. If there are people against whom you are holding grudges, right now agree with me and say, God, I forgive so and so. I forgive so and so. You know, I set them free. I don't hold anything against them. I forgive them. I bless them in the name of Jesus. It's a very powerful step to forgive people and it's helpful even in deliverance. Forgive people. Second is repentance. So we may, Holy Spirit may remind us that there is a particular situation or particular sin because of which the demon has entered. So then we have to pray and ask God for forgiveness. Okay. So for example, if the Holy Spirit is reminding us that the demon has entered because of, you know, some form of worship of false gods. Then we have to pray with that person and say, Heavenly Father, I'm so sorry for engaging in worship of false gods. I repent of my sin of worshiping. Be specific about what exactly happened. And when we do that, things will be broken. You know, sometimes when people engage in the occult, you know, things like people do some rituals or they call spirits. Sometimes in school, students do all these things. I remember in my school days also, my friends used to say, hey, you can actually do this. The spirits will come and give the answer. But all those things are against God. And even in those simple silly moments, demons can come. So Holy Spirit may remind us, you did this. That's when the demon came. So repent and say, God, I did that. I'm so sorry. I repent of that action or horoscope. Sometimes we read horoscopes. All these things are not biblical. Or we do like palm reading, or we do like some tarot card reading, or, you know, people have a bird come and pick the card. All these things are not godly. And it can actually open the door to demonic spirits in our lives. So when we are casting out demons, Holy Spirit may remind us, you remember this happened? That happened. You said this. You did this. That is when these demons have come. So we have to say, God, we repent. I repent, be specific of doing this activity. I repent of committing this sin. So when we say that, it gets broken. Got it? So that is why we have to do it. Be specific. Open the mouth and admit and say, God, I'm sorry. So then the power of demons over our life will be broken. Then renounce. Renounce. Renounce means, you see, now we are prayed to God. We have repented. So that's fine. But renounce means speaking loudly so that the demon spirits can also understand. See, here is another thing. Demons cannot read our minds. They can't. So what am I thinking? They can't know. But they can know my behavior and they can predict what I might do or what I might say. But they cannot read the mind. Demons have to be instructed or commanded. We have to speak to them. So unless we speak to them, they will not know. Like come out. I have to say come out for the demon to come out. Come out. So in the same way, renunciation. Renunciation means I speak loudly and firmly and I say things about myself. I will say things like, you know, I renounce these spirits that are influencing me because now I'm a child of God. You know, I renounce the sin in my life. I renounce the spiritual practice. So when I'm doing like that, see God already knows because I have repented. But even the demonic world needs to know. I need to tell them that you are no longer in charge. That is the meaning of renounce. So I'm going to renounce. I'm going to reject the works of the demons in my life. And for this, we have to speak loudly. I can't say in my head. I have to say things like, you know, I belong to Christ. I am a redeemed child of God. I no longer come under your slavery devil. You know, so I have to speak all these things for Satan and the demons to be clear about my stand right now. Okay. So that is the meaning of renounce. Speak loudly. You can see that there is a lot written under the section of renounce. So you can actually read that out. And if there is any dedication made, then we have to say loudly. I break this dedication which was made by my, you know, sometimes grandparents dedicate us or parents dedicate us, right? Some spiritual uncle, somebody dedicates us. These things put us in bondage. So when we are renouncing, we have to say, I am breaking the dedication. I'm breaking the vow made by so and so and I no longer come under its authority. So that is renouncing. And of course, the person who is ministering, okay, the pastor or the believer, you also go ahead and break those bondages, break those dedication. So we will pray a prayer like every stronghold, you know, which has allowed these demons to come into this person. We destroy in the name of Jesus. So even as a minister of God, we have to pray those prayers, right? So once all this is done, our understanding is that now all the doors are closed. Then what to do next? Command, now that the doors are closed, we say something like, there is no legal right. Now, Satan does not have legal right. Why? Because the person has become a believer. All the entry points are closed. They have repented. We have broken any bondage dedication. So there is no legal right for the demons to stay. So now if we go ahead and command them to come out, they will come out easily. Easily the spirits will come out and you know, the person will be set free. So then once they come out, what to do? Two things. We can ask the person to engage in praise and thanksgiving. So worship. So we can tell them, you know, come worship with me. Let's worship the Lord. We can all worship for some time. And later we can also pray for the Holy Spirit to be filled in that person. So you remember, I told you one lady who was, you know, very violently being thrown and all that. So when the spirit came out of her, a few of us, we asked her, are you baptized in the Holy Spirit? She was a believer, but still she had a demon. She was demonized. So we asked her, are you baptized in the Holy Spirit? She said, no, I don't know what that is. So then we explained to her. I mean, just minutes ago, demons have come out of her, right? So we prayed with her and we thanked the Lord and we said, okay, so can we pray for the baptism in the Holy Spirit? So when we pray, this might happen. You may start speaking a new language. Are you okay? Can we do that? She said, yes. And like, I can't forget it. We prayed for her. She started praying in tongues. Minutes, just minutes after, right? So the point is, as Matthew 12 says, when the demons go out, they will try to come back. But before they come back, it's our duty to make sure the person is safe. That is why are they born again? Are they filled with the Holy Spirit? And then comes the post-ministry suggestion. So post-ministry suggestion is, we will spend time with the person often and tell them. Maybe if their issue was unforgiveness, we'll help them to never get into that again. So counsel them, teach them from God's word and help them manage those situations according to God's word. Then maybe have accountability. You know what is accountability? Accountability is when somebody is sort of journeying with us. For example, a leader. Let's just assume you are working with a young person. If you are working with a young person and the demon has come out. Now that person has become a believer. What is the logical thing to do? Will you just say bye? Okay bye, see you next year. What would we do? Logically, what will we do? Now this person is free. Now what to do? What would you do? You are the pastor. What will you do? You have to tell them, sister about Lord Jesus to accept the Lord Jesus as a savior. They are a believer, sister. They are already accepted. They are a believer. I think Akhil is saying something. We will continue to help them grow in the Christian world. In the scriptures and they will be more participative. It's the beginning. So journey with them. Isn't that what we will do? We will journey with them. At least to the extent that is possible. We can tell them, come and meet me once a week. Why? You want to check on them. Is that why? Yeah, that is accountability. When we are asking them, every week when they meet us, okay, how is it going? What are some of the problems, difficulties that you are having? So as they share, you can establish that accountability. You know, are they still struggling in that area? Then you can guide them some more. Just make sure the person becomes stronger. Maybe one month we meet them. Then after that we say, okay, come once in a month. I just want to know how you're doing. Keep in touch with them if possible for one year. So at the end of that one year, at least you know they are strong now. So if they choose to go somewhere else, something, okay, no problem. They know how to deal with that issue. So that is accountability to keep in touch with them to ensure that they remain strong. To ensure that the old patterns are broken. So why are we doing this for the person? Because the Bible says there is a possibility for them to be under attack again. And we want to make sure that they don't come under it or they don't succumb to it. Fine. A practical question. In a church that's very large and a lot of people come for deliverance, healing, prayer and things. So as pastors, people reach out, they pray and they do their best in the ministry. It is not the busyness of the pastor that is the problem. It's like, you know, people do get carried away. It's like once they get a healing and receiving like what you say, the demons can always come back. So whose ownership and accountability is there? You can't put the thing on the pastor. It's because pastor can't keep reaching out to thousands of people in a large gathering. Yeah. So see it works both ways Akhil. So from the side of the pastor, we can be strategic. So what we can do is if we have teams of people and we are sure that we are not able to spend much time with the individual, put them on to somebody else like a leader, maybe a life group leader or ministry leader. Then at least somebody is in touch and we can be in touch with that person and say how's it going? So we need a strategy to minister to all people even if we have thousands of people. Right. Some mechanism that is one. Now from the side of the person, yeah, if they are not, you know, they are not responding well. After some time, we say, you know, we can't blame ourselves because we tried. We told them exactly. They have to take responsibility. Yeah. If they are not taking then you can't do everything. Right. So that's really sad. Yeah. So I guess in this section, that's what we had. And finally, there's one portion about addictive behavior. So addictive behavior, you see, a person can come under oppression of demons can also be demonized. But then there are other sites to dealing with addiction as well. You know, only casting out the demons may not be the final solution. We may have to engage the person in consistent counseling, you know, rehabilitation. And also when they've been through that season of addiction, maybe, you know, there are other aspects like their health. Their health needs to improve more or, you know, mentally, if they are going through some issues, right? So they may require rehabilitation in that case or let's say some kind of training to help them regain the rhythm of life skills in life. So there's a lot more that needs to be done. So just casting out the demon may not be everything. So, you know, we usually use the term like rehabilitate them back into usual life and, you know, rhythm. So additional work may be required in the case of addictions. Okay. So I think with this, I will wrap up if there are questions we can address. There are two more chapters, which I will probably do a recording of. I'll just put the recording and you can all view it and that should be fine. So, yeah, so with this, with today's class, we come to the end of, you know, the sessions from here. And we'll take up questions. Yes, Shani, I can see your hand raised. Yeah, I have a question. Two questions. I have a question about you said that when you're trying to minister as a teen, can you clarify that you were saying that one person is saying cast out another person shouldn't say loose. It makes it weak. Can you explain that? And then the other question I have is about trauma can lead to demons coming into person. Unforgiveness. Like if somebody wouldn't witness their relative being healed, that's trauma. How does that lead to demons coming in the person and how does it manifest? Is it anger or whatever? And it's something for, something for unforgiveness. So that's why those are my questions. Okay. Yes. Thank you, Shani. So your second question I will answer first. So you're saying trauma. If someone's been through any trauma, I mean, I don't know all the details to explain what exactly happens. But, you know, one aspect is that when we are very scared or very like that particular incident, for example, let's say an accident and being in that accident. We may be in a place where our will is weak for just a few moments, right? Or we may think a thought that says, why is this happening or why me has God forgotten me? Some, some things like that. And whenever we do things like that, those can actually act as open doors because our faith is shaken for a minute, right? And demons are looking for that. Even a few seconds when our faith is shaken, they are happy to kind of begin their influence. So that's what exactly happens in trauma. So it can be any traumatic experience, maybe a little child in a difficult home, a lot of, you know, constant violence in the home. It's traumatic. Like they can take in demons because of that. Or as you said, someone is seeing their loved one going through sickness. And if they are in moments where they are lacking faith, then again, it's like opening up doors for demonic influence. So all these things do happen. But if we recognize it, we must kind of, you know, we must take authority immediately and overcome it. The initial first question you asked is, as a group, when we are ministering, we can discuss among ourselves and plan out who will do the instructing part. We let the authority flow like that clearly. Then it's a lot easier to get the demon out. I hope I've addressed your question, Shani. Yeah, I understand. Because I know the first one, I know you're saying people get tired and stuff. So kind of say, I guess have one person stick with the instruction, the rest like praying. Okay, I understand that. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. So yeah, that's what I'm saying. So let one person stick to the instruction does not mean it's one person throughout the session. Like if it's five hours, then maybe one person can do the commanding for the first hour, another person for the second hour, so on and so forth. Don't change it up. Just kind of stick with the same kind of script. Okay, I see. Don't change it up. And in terms of going back to trauma and forgiveness, like these demons getting people, how do they manifest like in terms of anger? That's what I'm trying to like. How do they manifest in them in terms when they have trauma like abuse or forgiveness? So that could be entry point. So does that mean they manifested in terms of as anger? I mean, that's that was one of the things that quite really. You see, it depends on the demons that have gone in. So the manifestation will be in line with the demons that have entered. So in a trauma situation, any demon could have gone in. And if it is a spirit of anger, then it will manifest as, you know, like an angry comment or some violent behavior. So by that, you can understand. Oh, so that's the same thing with unforgiveness too. It can be anything. Unforgiveness. Unforgiveness demons that could be it can manifest as anything too. In terms of you said that demons can come entry points of forgiveness that can be they can manifest any way just like with trauma. Yes. So see unforgiveness can make us susceptible to demonic influence. And it can be any demon that can take over from that point. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I understand that. I just have a question then if we don't we're casting our demons somebody we don't know we should kind of like exchange numbers or follow up with them to kind of minister of like we don't know the person. Because that's kind of way from what you're saying kind of follow up well if we don't we just met them we cast a demon should we change numbers and try to follow up with them even though they're like a perfect stranger. Yeah. So if somebody is a perfect stranger we can put them on to another minister of God who can keep in touch with them. For example we go to another city and we minister and what we can do is we can tell the pastor to take care from there and then you know we just come back. So if we don't have the opportunity to follow up just connect them to someone who can follow up. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. And yeah I will still meet you online in the last recording but thank you so much for being a part of this course and really trusting God that it will be helpful in our lives in a very practical way and never forget that we have the authority to overcome demonic powers. So let's close off with a word of prayer. I just want to request somebody from class to pray. Let's pray. Precious loving Heavenly Father we thank you a lot as children. We come to your throne of grace, especially with the hearts filled with gratitude for a lot of insights that we have learned in this course. We thank you for the dedication and the teaching and the effort and the interest that Pastor Nancy has put in. We pray a lot that we will not only be hearers of your word but also doers of your word to exercise authority in every sphere of our life. And in every challenges that we face with people we know and the people that we don't know that you will enable us to be victorious by the finished work of the cross and your word and the name of Jesus. We pray that you will help us to be equipped in the times to come and we will glorify your name in everything that we do. In Jesus mighty matches name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you Akhil. Thank you everyone. God bless you. Have a wonderful week ahead.