 I'd like to call to order the 8th meeting of the 2014 2015 Common Council With a clerk, please call the roll there are 14 present Alderman Donahue and Alderman Lissard And those both those are excused would the clerk please read the quote for the day Never forget where you've been never lose sight of where you're going and never take for granted the people who travel the journey with you Thank you very much next would you please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next item on the agenda is approval of the minutes from our last meeting Alderman Hammond. Thank you. Mr. Mayor move to approve second. Thank you for that motion and support those minutes are before us for any discussion Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. I opposed motion passes Next we'll go on to a council appointments Alderman Hammond Steve McLean First one dated today is date honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Nancy mansion to be considered for appointment to the library board to fill the unexpired term of March the galley whose term expires 430 2016 signed by the mayor Yeah, now Alderman Hammond the other is One that was brought in at the last council meeting Pointing Sarah Swiefel to be considered for appointments of the board of Marina Park and Forestry Commissioners to fill the unexpired term of Vicki Hall whose term expired 425 2016 signed by the mayor All the man thank you. Miss Mary move to confirm Sarah Swiefel second It's moved in second to Approve the appointment. Is there any discussion on the appointment to the library board? I mean to the board of Marina Parks and Forestry Seeing none with a plea with a clerk. Please call the roll and passage 14 eyes Motion passes Next we'll go on to our program Wendy Schmitz the director of the senior activity Center is here to give us an update on The senior activity Center operations Wendy, please come forward Thank you for this opportunity to give you an annual update and to be introduced to council members Who may not know about the senior activity Center? The center operates on a collaborative partnership between the city of Sheboygan and the friends of the senior activity Center The city supplies the equivalent of just over two staff and pays the operational costs of the building The friends pay for the programming and any improvements Many of the people who attend the senior activity Center are active friends members and there are currently 500 of them they and the board do all of the fundraising We are a very busy place Most of our programs are led by senior volunteers who teach classes escort trips Plants and weed our lovely flower beds Prepare and serve meals our program leaders Clean the kitchen paint our rooms. You name it. We do it ourselves Last August we were fortunate to be chosen as a site for one of the street art projects and worked with Internationally known street artist Gaia This year we have worked with Mac maker and Robert Karimi artists in residence at John Michael Kohler Art Center in fact yesterday our team Shared first place in the grill-off competition at the art car We had the advantage of Marilyn Montemire as our chef That's a challenge to chief Roman For next year As you will see in a moment the friends have spent the past year renovating our center And we are very proud of what has been achieved my staff volunteers our business partners Husbands families neighbors and and board members all work to make this happen Since June of last year we have been in a transition as long-time staff retired Marion health worked for over 30 years In order to keep her programs going Three senior volunteers offered to step in until the position is filled again That's the kind of commitment and enthusiasm we enjoy We also volunteer for the city We supply visitor greeters at the help desk in city hall We recently blew up 1500 beach balls for the July 4th celebration and last Thursday We packed over 400 lunches for day of caring volunteers across the county But our greatest challenge is getting the word out. We have a newsletter. I Write a column in the moxie magazine We have a wonderful website our own TV show and Regularly appear in the press and I would encourage you to look us up on Facebook One of the goals set by the friends organization this year was to develop a marketing piece To use in presentations, and I'd like to share that with you now. Thank you. I Enjoy this place because I need a lot of good friends But I love Or I Just enjoy coming here mission is to Keep seniors engaged in their community. So the community of seniors here and the community at large most people are very surprised at how Active And how friendly When you come into the senior activity center, you know, someone is there to give you a tour They give you the newsletter. It can be overwhelming. You don't do everything. Just find something you're interested in and Then once you start coming, you'll feel a part of it. My husband came here Every day shot home in the afternoon with his with his guys and I would go to a meeting you would go shooting pool got to talk to it talking to Wendy about I've been doing that for years, but I always thought I would like to teach at some time First asked if they had a class because no, they didn't have one of the presents But I said well, I'd be one of the teachers. I've been here ever since Exercise programs and and classes have changed over the first of time that I've been here Zumba is a new class that we teach here. I still do live dancing. We brought in weights. We bring in different Equipment we are very fortunate to have use of a swimming pool. And we use it through the ordinary school district We run classes a couple times a day Started coming here with another friend It's a good reason to get together with people Lots of volunteering in the community. And then the thing that sets us apart from other senior centers Is our relationship with John Michael Kolar Center. We're literally just down the hill I was involved in the life and writing class And uh, it was interesting and in some ways, I think that's got me into something else It seems John Michael Kolar Art Center. So the senior center is not just coming here to do things It's just another thing too Last year I went to Branson It was the senior center and we had a wonderful time. We had good Oh Really, they do things Everything else for us, which I like you don't have to figure out what to do or what they have that all figured out for you It's a fun time When my father died in 1999 My mother had this huge void in her life And she would take that those six blocks or so Come here every day almost She volunteered here. She'd be one for the Scarlet Hatter, so this is her picture It gave her So many friendships. She just Enjoyed her life when I come here It's almost like a home for me because I came here with my mother at times The hardest thing to do is coming to the building and admit that you're a senior seems to be the hardest thing you know you talk to people and You say you're going to the senior center and you know, it's probably the same But I had the beginning for you know, it's just a bunch of old people, but it's not I mean, that's fantastic. They're the thing I mean, I'm near young at heart You know, there's the adventure is there and all you can do more in some of my classes I just I'm amazed. I thought well, how long have you known? Well, whenever this class started they've met in class and they are Friends it's just that that is very very rewarding the social part of it There's something here for everybody. And if there isn't something that you like Talk to Wendy. She might get something going or she'll put you in charge of it Wendy, thank you very much for your report and for sharing your new video with us Next we'll move on to the public forum Yes, this evening first on the list is dulcy johnson. Can I have your home address, please? 1306 north third street shabuigan. You will have five minutes Mayor van der steen city clerk richards city attorney mclean alderman and citizens The information I will share with you is based on data received in a freedom of information act request to nancy bus For revenues and expenses related to the operation of the ambulance service in the fire department in 2013 As you know the ambulance budget only includes salaries and benefits for four firefighters, but operating three ambulances 24-7 requires 21 fire fighters Salaries and benefits for the four firefighters was 277 thousand four hundred and forty eight dollars Salaries and benefits for 17 additional firefighters was 1 million 179 thousand one hundred and fifty four dollars Ems calls account for 75 percent of the incidents that firefighters respond to 75 percent a one million one hundred and seventy nine thousand one hundred and fifty four is eight hundred and eighty four thousand three hundred and sixty six dollars bringing the total personnel expenses of the ambulance service to one million one hundred and sixty eight thousand eight hundred and fourteen dollars Adding other budgeted expenses brings the total expenses to one million four hundred and seventy three thousand five hundred and thirty dollars Including a hundred and twenty one thousand three hundred and fourteen dollars for contracted billing services Total billings were three million seventy three thousand eight hundred and twenty five dollars Actual collections were one million two hundred and eighty eight thousand nine hundred and thirty four dollars or forty two percent Of billings Adjustments or billings that were not collected were 58 percent of billings Subtracting expenses from actual collections results in a loss of one hundred and eighty four thousand five hundred and ninety six dollars But that's not the whole story These figures do not include any administrative costs for fire department staff And based on my first hand experience and seeking information about ambulance calls for a single day In 2013 I can tell you that it takes more than one person to provide Simple information clearly indicating that several fire department employees other than the firefighters are involved in running the ambulance service To answer my simple question Former chief herman consulted a notebook His secretary searched for information on her computer Twice chief herman went into deputy chief butler's office And at one point a fourth person came out of an office and added information But the department does not figure one dollar Of the salaries and benefits for any of these personnel as part of the operating cost of the ambulance service Fond du Lac however includes administrative costs when figuring the cost of their ambulance service Their department is organized a bit differently than the sheboygan fire department But they include 50 percent of the salaries of their fire chief Three assistant fire chiefs an administrative assistant and a records clerk and 75 percent of the salaries for their paramedics The sheboygan fire department staff includes the chief an assistant chief a deputy chief Three battalion chiefs an administrative assistant and a secretary Indeed deputy chief butler is identified in the 2013 annual report as deputy chief Ems slash health and safety emergency management And as I recall he was hired late in 27 to manage the ambulance service for the fire department I did not seek the salary figures for these positions But if administrative personnel were costs were added the actual cost of providing the ambulance service would be much higher And the loss much greater In closing I would point out that the proposed fire department budget for 2015 is almost a hundred thousand dollars more than this year In 2013 the department responded to only 53 structure fire calls. That's less than one call per month per station Of course having only a few fires is a positive, but it begs the question of how the department should be staffed We know from experience that living next door to a fire station is no guarantee of a good result And when the idea of some paid-on call firefighters is raised the firefighters object And yet half of the department's firefighters live outside the city Where they are dependent on volunteer fire services to protect their family and property And that apparently is okay with them Go figure I'm not smart enough to explain that Thank you. Delcy Next on the list is milk storm And milk can I have your home address, please? Yes, it's 1736 Marvin court Okay, and you will have five minutes Well, I wrote out my Essay here, but if you can read this, I mean, I'll give you an A pause But then of course I wrote it I want to thank the mayor and especially the Young gentle ladies in his series city clerk office who always assists me very ably in speaking engagements I've been a resident of the city of Sheboygan for 56 years arriving here in June of 1957 That was when I completed my obligation in the u.s. Army as a radar instructor at the signal school at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey Because of my spiritual background, I have self anointed myself as a motivational speaker Now if you believe that you'll believe anything Now as I have now noticed in the Sheboygan press That there are some positions here in the city, especially the city clerk So that they are trying to make appointed And now I've also read in the Sheboygan press that the city Attorney's office because of the retirement of Steve McLean is also going to be A appointed position at least that's what they like that means that the voters there can no longer elect Well, what would be next will the mayor be appointing the vacated automatic positions when they leave before their term is up Now knowing the mayor that wouldn't would be wouldn't be a bad idea at all. I can vouch for that You know, he needs accomplished or He congratulates us once in a while rather than some of the negative times that some people say to him My analogy is to change something My analogy is why change something that's been working for 80 years If the council would like to improve government shut down these idiot boxes that we have on the wall That's what we used to call the television sets over the advanced three when they found customers that had such Delabidae says in warning words fix it So my suggestion would be is to change the color on the Now when Wendy Smith puts up, it's nice. But when you look at this bluey screen Why I mean, it's a disaster. You need a telescopic Lens on a big telescope to see that So here's my suggestion And Dave, I know what to appreciate that Especially the council members. I don't know when they sit on these soft question today the taxpayers Pay for why can't we do something with the color on these screens? I would suggest that we would give it a A yellow printing background on a red background with a green border around it See that would make a green energy sufficient Well, that's about it for me And maybe I will continue on the next mail and give you a I always love the ladies Clerks department because with their melodic voices and It's much better than the grub voices that some of these councilmen have Thank you meld That would be it Okay. Thank you very much Next is the mayor's announcements. Uh, there's a big festival this weekend on south pier the mesfields Lakeshore weekend all proceeds going to promote to help out children's hospital of wisconsin Hope that people will keep that on their calendar And then on tuesday august 5th Will be uh, shabuigan county's national night out that'll start at five o'clock at fountain park and Continue with the walk around the area until seven thirty With that we'll go on the consent agenda Let's see Item 2.18 will lie over So that one won't be a part of the consent agenda Alderman hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor I moved to accept and file all ro's accept and adopt all rc's and put all resolutions and ordinances upon their passage with the exception of 2.18 which will lie over They moved and seconded Under discussion alderman borne Thank you, mayor, I would like to pull a document 2.4 forward for a separate vote, please 2.4 is an rc by finance recommended filing a document submitting a memo from attorney mclean as requested by alderman borne bellinger and heideman Regarding the garbage fee and levy limit use If I could continue, uh I wasn't able to make the finance committee meeting last money night something came up And I was just wondering I believe alderman bellinger was in charge of that meeting I was just wondering if alderman bellinger could fill the Members of the council in on the discussion and the rationale for asking this document to be filed Alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor, uh, the the rationale for filing the document is is because the The city budget was um before the finance committee and Um It was that budget was referred to the five standing committees And once all the alderman have a chance to go through and look at the detail of the budget They can pick and choose uh what they want to Include in the budget what they would like to get rid of what they would like to outsource and they can deal with the issue of the The garbage fee in that manner. So, um, it was the thought of the finance committee that um The whole budget process which was sent to the five standing committees, which we're going to deal with tonight That would accomplish this exact same thing as this document. So it was Most the motion was to file it and that's what was done Thank you for those comments alderman heideman. Thank you, mayor Again, my name was on this document and one of the important things that within the memo, uh, I have highlighted It's recommended that council act on this issue sooner than later What the finance committee did? I believe just Kicked it down the road. So once we got to our committees, we got the budgets. We're not actually Working with the two numbers. We don't know whether there's going to be a garbage fee Or there's not going to be a garbage fee and we have a number of members of uh on the council now That never dealt with that issue and I think it would have been easier and cleaner for them to work on those budgets Had that issue been resolved first as opposed to submitting a budget that either had a garbage fee or didn't have a garbage fee Thank you for those comments. I'd like to ask the city attorney to comment on this I mean this was a document with an opinion by him And uh, he could maybe comment on that and the subsequent steps that would need to be taken if we were going to extend the garbage fee Steve Uh, thank you. I was asked to put that together The basic gist of it is that, uh Council should not rely just on the budget process itself Uh To address this garbage fee situation. There was a resolution that was adopted several years ago now that uh Set the rate reduced it after a year, I believe To its current rate and sunsetted it at the end of this year in order to Address whether to continue that or not or Change it in some fashion That needs to be done Separate and apart from the budget itself Just the mere fact that you put numbers in the budget does not Is not sufficient to create authority to impose that fee so Yes, the point of the memo again was that if there is a desire to either Impose that fee or not to impose that fee Uh My opinion that the sooner that the council will address that issue Again separate and apart necessarily from the budget that it would be best to do that And steve what would be the best way for them to approach that? um I guess my suggestion would be if someone wishes to Introduce a document To establish a garbage fee to continue at the at its current rate Uh They'd need to bring in a resolution to do that and have that go through finance committee and the council Thank you very much alderman bellinger Thank you mayor, uh, well, I certainly respect the opinion of of attorney mclean um, I would like to And I understand his his uh perspective that it needs to be dealt with separately But at the same time you cannot deal with the 900 or 900 thousand dollar issue In a vacuum and not look at the consequences For the budget If you're going to keep the budget there's going to be ramifications Or keep the garbage fee. There's going to be ramifications if you're going to eliminate it There's certainly going to be some significant ramifications because it's going to have a direct impact on the budget So you need to look at both together in making that decision You cannot deal with this separately in in a vacuum and you know, just say, okay, we don't want this fee Let's get rid of it because there are significant consequences Thank you for those comments alderman carlson Thank you mayor, um, correct me if i'm wrong all this document was was a memo from the city attorney That's correct. It doesn't change anything. So simply filing this document doesn't make the garbage fee go away or stay So to have this argument right now is a complete waste of time the budget is being referred to the standing committees as of tonight That's where we can have the conversation as to what's going to happen with next year's budget So fighting over this document once again is a complete waste of time All it was is a memo from the city attorney. We all know what's on the horizon We either have to keep it or we have to get rid of it and if we're going to get rid of it We're probably going to have to make cuts. It's really simple. It truly is. Thank you Thank you for those comments alderman boring Thank you again mayor I would agree with chairman height of another public works department If these if these documents that mr. Amodio is submitting to the standing committees I don't want to have to go over this twice It would be nice to know before this this this document goes to the public works committee and the other committee I'm on salary and grievance What the wishes of the council are are we going to have a garbage fee or aren't we And if we are going to have it it makes the review of the public works budget a lot more simple If this gets referred to the public works committee next tuesday night And I don't know whether there's going to be a garbage fee or there or there isn't going to be a garbage fee to me That's a waste of time because in all likelihood It's going to go back to public works again to review if the council would decide that they do not want the garbage fee So I would like to know ahead of time Whether there's going to be a garbage fee or whether there is not going to be a garbage fee and then I can approach the committee the Have a meaningful discussion and the committees that I belong to And possibly attend some of the other committees where I'm interested in and then Come forward with a document that either has it or doesn't have it and make the appropriate cuts But to send it to public work next tuesday night without knowing whether there's going to be a garbage fee or not a garbage Fee to me is just a waste of time Thank you. Thank you for those comments alderman hamming Thank you, mr. Mayor quite an interesting conversation over a memo, but I would say um A couple things first off The garbage fee is set to sunset That was part of the ordinance and unless a resolution comes in to the opposite its sunsets So the committee chairs should plan accordingly So to make the comment that it's a waste of time to submit it to committees Not knowing whether the garbage fee the current ordinance The law of the land if you will says that that garbage fee sets on jan or december 31st 2014 Or 2014 without any other resolution coming into the contrary. So For the committees we're not to the budget, but on this matter again. Thank you, mr. Attorney mclean for submitting this It's very helpful But at this point we've held it in finance At nauseam and I think everybody has had an opportunity to review it understands what the issues are And again unless a resolution comes in stating otherwise The garbage fee is sunset the garbage fee is set the sunset on december 31st. So that's how we should be planning Thank you for those comments alderman hammett. I think The finance director nancy bust sent out an email to all the alderman today That those budgets have to be back from committees. I believe by august 24th So they have some time to consider that it's not going to be just be the next meeting that they have correct Alderman boran Thank you. Again. I got a question for attorney mclean In your document in your memo Attorney mclean, you have a sentence in there right after on the uh, it's on the first page Let's see the one two three fourth paragraph right after it says it is recommended that the council act on this issue Sooner rather than later and then it says if the council were to extend the special charge into 2015 Now now by amending the resolution 128 1112 any Levy limit issue would be avoided Is it possible for us to vote on that tonight attorney mclean? Without having a resolution come in you've got you you cite the resolution In your memo Would it be possible for us to vote on whether do we extend that special charge tonight? Alderman boran not in my opinion know all that you have before you is a recommendation from the finance committee to File the memo that I drafted could I make Could I make a motion then not to file it and vote on extending resolution 128 1112 can I do that tonight? I don't believe so you might be able to Make a motion to Have proper documents drawn to do whatever you want to do I'll make that motion uh attorney mclean if you'd assist me in a in a formulating those documents and then I'll I'll look for some other members to co-sponsor for it with me Salomon boran you want the uh the document to be drawn to do what? to extend Thank you mayor extend resolution 128 11-12 To extend the special charge into the 2015 budget Okay, that motion's before us. Is there any discussion? See nine. Do we have a second? Yep Ah, yeah Hold on all those in favor of the motion Please Register your vote I or nay This is a motion to draft a resolution regarding the garbage fee to extend res 128 into the 2015 budget That's what you're voting on Okay, the voting again you would not be voting Yes or no on the garbage question. You'd just be voting on drafting drafting a document that would come into council Jim I don't have yours Oh, it didn't come up. Oh, I'm sorry Looking at the wrong screen jody Nine eyes five nose motion passes And I think we still have uh item 2.4 on the floor that motion. I don't think uh Had anything to do with filing that does that still need to be voted on? Yeah, the motion was to it except an adopt. There is no additional motion. It's just motion to accept and adopt So item 2.4. Um, is it okay with uh alderman born if we still consider that as that filing as part of the consent agenda Yes, ma'am. All right. Thank you. Then the consent agenda is before us and I believe there was uh An item on 2.8 Chad Thank you, ma'am 2.8 was a contract to sell The property on the west side of the interstate Tobeck no industries for a new Manufacturing facility the finance committee had approved that when they met last monday and referred it back to the council for Adoption there's been a couple minor changes. So on everybody's council desk. I put the new contract and I would Ask you to take a look the only the two changes are on page two of 15 on the bottom the conditions about conditions preceding the closing and there was some language in there about We the city getting some a contract from wigner excavating who's encroaching on this property Have them vacate this before we close Jim and I met with Them and they agreed to vacate the property as of december 1st 2014. So we've got a letter signed from them So we amended that contract language to include that that Wigner excavating would be off the premises by december 1st the other Change that's major is on page 12 of 15 And it's the post closing utility agreement In there they we have to extend sewer and water to this server to this property under the interstate We've got that budgeted. It's actually under design right now with the public works department in that Timeline they originally had in there the Um later of the following and it was december 31st 2014 Um or be the date at that is 75 days after the date of closing or 75 days after the commencement of construction We as a staff felt there's A chance we may not meet that december 31st 2014 deadline. So we have Negotiated with them to a february 1st 2015 deadline which the public works department and engineering staff feel is Uh very doable. So those are the major changes from the document that went to the council as staff We don't see any issues with it and we would recommend continuing forward in Accepting this contract as presented. Thank you I'd entertain a motion to amend the document per jad's Presentation second and moved the second in to amend the document per the presentation by city planner jad pelichak Is there any discussion on that motion? Seeing none all those All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes So the consent agenda is before us with those changes to item 2.8 Including the filing 2.4 and 2.18 will be held over Is there any other further discussion on the consent agenda? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll for passage. Okay, let's Can I get in all eyes, please? Any opposed Next we'll go on to reports of officers items 3.1 through 3.7 will be referred to various committees Alderman heightamen Thank you, mayor I want to make a motion to hold item 3 1 and 3 2 until the The resolution is drawn up about the garbage fee Second moved and You want to hold those or I want to hold those too. I'm not I don't want to work on that budget Until I find out what's going to happen with that garbage fee and again I think there's too many other individuals that are in this room right now that That need to be brought up to date as to what's transpired since we had the garbage fee and and incurred of some I was gonna say we had a garbage fee in there. We didn't need it. We had excess funds So I think I want to have that Those people be involved in that If you're going to hold them the you're seeing usually it You hold it for a period of time or a certain date So you want to put a condition on there until after The other document is drawn up and it's voted on that's exactly right. Thank you. That okay senior attorney It's okay proceed really. Yes. Okay. Thank you Okay, we have a motion and I believe there was a second who was the second, please I think we had a couple of them I'll second it if nobody else. We have a second from alderman boring that motion is on the floor alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. Um, can somebody uh, attorney mclean or president hammond somebody address the issue of What this does to the timeline for the budgeting process if we were to do this because um, it's my understanding we're on a fairly You know tight timeline and when we had this mapped out to have The budget process go through the committees twice and then come back and I just want to know what the implications are of doing this before we vote and do it There would be some implications and I don't have the timeline that was drawn up by the finance department but they had fairly aggressive timeframe as far as getting the The documents out to the various standing committees for their review I don't know if Mr. Modio can address that or not, but the Holding it until such time as there was action taken on the This document to be drafted regarding the garbage fee Obviously delays Review by the standing committees of the various departmental budgets And again the finance director's Memo today so they need to be back by august 24th So you could start in your committees taking a look at the budgets And still delay any decision that you're going to make and send back to the finance committee in the council until after you pass the or or Or whatever you do with the other document you're waiting for Moving on alderman carlson. Thank you mayor All their person Hammond stated earlier We should go into this discussion with the Assumption that it is going away and personally I don't see any reason why this budget cannot be referred to the committees And if that committee so chooses to hold it within their committee There are other committees that would like to take a crack at this and and have time with it So I personally will be voting against holding this this needs to go to the committees So we can thoroughly vet them and once again, we should go into it with the assumption that it's going away Thank you very much for those comments alderman hammond. Thank you. Um, I would concur with that In addition, you know, we've got staff and various other departments that report to various standing committees I know finance for example has several that we need to get in and in the course of the next two months Again, I'm going under the assumption because currently the ordinance states that the garbage fee doesn't exist after december 31st That it's not going to exist, but there are a lot of other good things that we can be working on the budget You know void of having resolution to that, you know, I can appreciate alderman heidemann's sentiments, but The garbage fee is not the only issue Budgetary that we face. So this thing needs to get to its standing committees Some have fewer charges than others, but those that have many charges need to get Those reviews underway and happening. So I'm going to vote against this as well Thank you for those comments Any other discussion? Seeing none will be clerked. Oops. Alderman born. Thank you, mayor Regardless how this vote goes it would still be at the discretion of the committee chairman Whether they want to schedule on other agenda before this other issue was taken care of is that correct attorney mclean? If this gets if this if this document for mr. Amorio gets referred to the public works committee The chairman has the discretion of whether to put it on the agenda or not before the other issue regarding the garbage fee Is taken care of is that correct? Uh In the first instance, I would agree with that Alderman born, but roberts rules do provide that if something is not placed on the agenda members of the committee and I The number would escape me, but I believe it's three members of the committee Could demand that a particular document be placed on the agenda even if The committee chair was not in favor of doing that that's Just under roberts rules. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman born alderman hamlin. I'm good. Hey good Okay, there's no other discussion then will the clerk please call the roll and passage Okay, the motion is to Hold 3.1 and 3.2 Until a resolution is drafted and passed by counsel Is there a timeline that the mayor requested is there a date? That we're holding this to it the one would imagine that could be introduced at our next council meeting It would lie over be referred to a committee and come back at later on that month For a final vote. So that would be our second meeting in august Everybody know the motion so an eye an eye is to hold correct The motion is to hold 3.1 and 3.2. Okay. Thank you Five eyes 10 nose Motions defeated Those items uh 3.1 through 3.7 will be referred to the various committees Under resolutions items 4.1 and 4.2 will be referred to the public works committee And under reports of committees item 5.1 is an rc by law and licensing recommending denying a beverage operator's license 0 4 3 2 based on his failure to accurate review all relevant convictions on his application and his record of violations Related to the license activity alderman vander wheel. Thank you. I move the rc be accepted and adapted Thank you for that motion in support under discussion. Is michael henchill here this evening He is here The committee voted 3 to 1 to deny the license He had in 2013 a conviction of possession of a thc It did occur at a park Right now he works at a cell site q-mart Of course, if he gets the license he can use that license anywhere can Be a q-mart tavern of wherever he would want to go with that so the committee voted 3 to 1 to deny it Michael would you like to make any comments? Please step to the podium Hello, um, I would just like to point out a few things through all this. Um I Am aware that what happened was dumb. I'm aware that it was a childish stupid mistake I have not partaken any of those activities since then. I have no convictions or nothing other than that Um, I'm currently just trying to keep my beverage operators license I can maintain working a normal shift and everything at the cell site q-mart and hopefully From there take the next step into I recently was going to college, but I had to exit that because My living arrangements and Sheboygan had fallen through But assuming I can keep working at q-mart. I'd like to go back to college You know you should be looking for microbiology and keep moving forward with things Okay, thank you very much for those comments any other discussion Alderman borne I if the gentleman's uh supervisor boss, I believe is in the audience could we hear from Uh, the supervisor with maybe his work history and whether he's always working alone things like that, please Is there if there's no objection, please come forward I have your name, please lisa jansen Lisa jansen. Yes, okay Hold on mic down. There you go Um, michael does work alone sometimes Usually it's about two to three hours We have cameras at q-mart and they also have audio So we're able to go in and check on our employees and see how they're working and we do that consistently because we don't want our employees to be Now that they wouldn't card, but maybe they might not think that they're old enough for Or you know, they might misjudge the age. So we tell them 40 and under So we go back and watch michael had an instance Last week where a man came in and offered him money to give him beer Without a lice without an id and also after the hours and michael refused it and I caught that on camera So I know he's doing what he should be doing at work. I reviewed it many times also with cigarette sales, too So Okay, thank you for those comments mr. Mayor. Yes Mr. Jansen if I could ask question go ahead all the manhammon. Thank you His work is he shows up on time is he He's he's never missed any work. He's um been there about a month and a half now. He's covered like three shifts Um, I left to go to spain for a week and I came back and I got good reports from My assistant manager and another executive manager that I brought from another store to cover And they all gave him good reports Thank you all the men will sorry. Did you have a comment? Thank you When we um had the discussion in in law and licensing I asked michael um when he had Stopped using marijuana and he said a couple months ago And his charge was in 2013 And I'm not feeling comfortable supporting having him get his license Thank you for those comments all the men accurate Thank you, mr. Mary if I can just ask the supervisor I guess what would be your recommendation? Obviously we have concerns about You know the public safety side, but you obviously have a business concern You know and have a business to run. I guess I would just bluntly ask you You know, do you support michael getting his license and being an employee of your store? I do. He's a good hard worker. He's not shown anything that would make me Feel that he would do something the wrong way. I watch how he interacts with people of all ages and You know from the younger kids to the older all different walks of life, and I don't see anything that would Make me assume that I shouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here Any other discussion? I wonder if you could tell me how often your company does drug testing You do not do drug testing. He's hurt at work. Any other questions or discussion? Excuse them. Thank you very much Alderman 5.1 is before us the clerk. Please call the roll The vote is to accept and adopt to deny Brian There he goes Five eyes ten nose Motion fails item Alderman van Akron Seeing that that motion failed. I will make a motion to grant his license second Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on that motion? Seeing none. Will the clerk please call the roll I'm sorry. Who did second Thank you The voting's open Ten eyes five nose Motion passes Moving on to 5.2 as an RC by law and licensing recommending the nine of beverage operators license Oh for 2 3 based on his failure to accurate reveal all relevant convictions on his application his record of violations Related to the licensed activity and his record as a habitual law violator alderman van der wheel Thank you. Move the RC be accepted and adopted second Thank you for that motion in support documents on the floor your discussion. Is Curtis Gabriel's hit this evening He's not the committee voted 4 to 0 to deny his license based on recent activity that we were not sure Is the proper thing to be having in a bar Okay, thank you for those comments. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none. Will the clerk please call the roll for passage 15 eyes Motion passes Item 4 point rather 5.3 as an RC by law and licensing recommending denying a beverage operators license number 0392 based upon her failure to accurate reveal all relevant convictions on the application and the record of violations Related to the licensed activity and her failure to cooperate with the committee alderman van der wheel Thank you. Move the RC be accepted and adopted Thank you for that motion in support that's on the floor for discussion. Is Sophia Olanek here this evening? She's not here. We invited her um two different occasions to the meeting and she didn't show up Thank you for that discussion anyone else If not, will the clerk please call the roll for passage 14 eyes 1 no Motion passes Item 4 point rather 5.4 as an RC by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 0397 Based upon her failure to accurately reveal all relevant convictions on the application Her record of violations related to the licensed activity And her record is a habitual law violator and her failure to cooperate with the committee Alderman van der wheel Thank you. Move the RC be accepted and adopted. Okay. Thank you for that motion in support under discussion Is sarah hall here this evening? She's not and she was also invited on two different occasions and did not appear Thank you for those comments any other discussion See none. Will the clerk please call the roll 15 eyes motion passes Item 5.5 is an RC by finance recommending passing an initial resolution regarding the industrial Development revenue bond financing for polyfab corporation project Alderman Hammond Thank you. Mr. Mayor move to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage Thank you for that motion in support any discussion on the motion Seeing none. Will the clerk please call the roll for passage 15 eyes Motion passes unanimously Item 5.6 is an RC by finance recommending authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2014 budget Establishing appropriation for information technology servers alderman hammond Thank you. Mr. Mayor move to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage Thank you for that motion in second the motion is before us. Is there any discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll Okay, then 15 eyes motion passes Item 5.7 Is a RC by finance finance committee recommending authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2014 budget To establish revenue and appropriations for the 2014 community block grant entitlement program alderman hammond Thank you. Mr. Mayor move to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any other discussion on the motion? See now will the clerk please call the roll 14 eyes And one abstention Motion passes Under ordinances items 6.1 and 6.2 be referred to various committees Other matters city attorney Thank you your honor 7.1 is communication Submitting a concern from bill drepps regarding his concerns with traffic safety and parking issues at king park as well as the noise pollution due to food truck friday Now that will be referred to public protection and safety 7.2 is an ro by the chief of police Submitting his quarterly report showing the activities of department for the period commencing april 1 and ending june 30 2014 and it'll also go to public protection and safety 7.3 is an ro by the building inspector building inspector department Submitting reports for the months of march april may and june 2014 That'll go to public protection and safety 7.4 is a resolution by alder person hammond to authorize the transfer of appropriations in the 2014 budget That'll go to the finance committee 7.5 is a resolution by alder person bellinger authorizing the sale of city-owned property formally known as 1020 and 1022 eerie avenue That'll be referred to the city planning commission 7.6 is a resolution by alder person hammond Authorizing the smittle of a grant application to the wisconsin apartment natural resources voting and fishing state and federal programs For funding to complete a feasibility study on wave attenuation options in the harbour center marine That'll be referred to the finance committee 7.7 is a resolution being a relocation order of the city of shaboy in shaboy in county wisconsin That will lie over 7.8 is an ro by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2015 and june 30 2016 That'll be referred to the law and licensing committee 7.9 is an ordinance by alder person carlson a bellinger amending subsection 26-262 a And repealing and recreating section 26-554 of the missple code Relating to fees for electrical and h-fac permits and inspections so as to reduce the fee per $1,000 estimated cost for projects of a million dollars or greater That'll be referred to the public protection and safety committee next is uh Opportunity to go into closed session alderman hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor. I moved to convene in closed session other than exemption provided under section 1985 1g wisconsin statutes for the purpose of conferring with legal counsel for the city who is rendering oral advice Concerning a strategy to be adopted by the city with respect to litigation in which it is likely to become involved regarding The property gifted to the city in 1987 by the heisen family foundation And with respect to the town of shaboy in versus the city of shaboy in shaboy in county circuit court case number 14 cv 04 34 Thank you for that motion in support. We'll call the roll on closed session mark 15 eyes Motion passes. We'll take a five minute recess and reconvene Okay, an open session alderman hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I moved to file document 8.2 second I appreciate that motion in support on any discussion on that document Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll All those in favor signify by saying aye Opposed motion passes alderman hammond Move to adjourn second Thank you for that motion All those in favor of adjourning signify by saying aye Opposed we stand adjourned. Thank you very much