 Welcome back to 2021, 21 convention in Orlando, Florida. I have a following speaker for you that is going to be a... Well, let's just put it this way. The man's a villain. No, and I mean a proper fucking villain. This man, while he'll be speaking about something completely different than what I'm talking about, is pretty much known as the shithouse clear of the Manisphere. This man had done more to clean up some of the buffoonry taking place in the Manisphere today, particularly in the world of pickup artistry, and men who are trying to learn the proper dynamics of sexual appropriate behavior between women, how to navigate the sexual marketplace in a tactical capacity. This man is a real wife pickup artist, verified. What you're going to hear today is something people only dream about. This man is no myth. He's real. This man is John Anthony. What's up guys? Is the mic live? Good. Alright, so we're going to go over a little bit of my background for those of you that aren't familiar. Just updated the title, knocked on a few new ones here in Orlando here. I came over from Brazil. I'm from New York originally, but I'm living out in South Brazil. For those of you guys that are interested in finding out more about my stuff, you can check out my YouTube there, my website. So, basically an overview here. I'm going to go over my background, the first 100 girls, kind of how I form my system, go over the method overview, go over how I evolved and optimized the system over the past 10 or 15 years or so. Why most advice, unfortunately, in the game is wrong and kind of going over the state of the community, and then some key insights that I picked up over the past bunch of years. And then finalizing with the coaching services. So I basically devoted my entire life to this stuff, for better or worse. Devoted most of my free time towards evolving and optimizing the game. So, never expected to be in this position. Basically started off ultra shy. Panic disorder, social anxiety, general anxiety. Had trouble even leaving the house at one point. Was a stereotypical like super nerd. Chest club, math league, violin. Spent most of my time playing video games, reading science books, all that kind of stuff. But I had trouble speaking to girls, of course, and speaking to even any kind of guys. So it was just like pretty bad. Out of 700 kids in my high school, I was probably the shyest kid out of everybody. Also was raised very religious, I'm not anymore, but was raised very Catholic, conservative upbringing, taught to wait till marriage to have sex and never drink, that kind of stuff. So I didn't even kiss a girl till my first year of college. Lost my virginity at the end of the first year of college. And then going to my third year of college, I'd only been with three chicks, and they weren't very attractive. But I did have this kind of knack for ultra analyzing things. So I ended up doing a double bachelor's in computer science and philosophy. I did a double master's in human-computer interaction, which is basically cognitive psychology applied to software and systems. And a master's in philosophy of cognitive science out in England. After that second master's, I took the LSAT. I was going to become a patent attorney and decided it was too many hours, too much stress, all that kind of stuff. I ended up taking a job with Lockheed Martin doing ballistic missile defense. So my job for five years was basically going over scenarios of I ran in North Korea, attacking LA and New York City, and optimizing our speed of response time and accuracy response against those attacks. So I think I was about 24, and I came up with an optimization to allow the Navy fleet to basically double in surface area, because they used to only be able to defend one ship would defend against air, surface, and submarine threats. Another ship would defend against ballistic threats. And I came up with some optimizations to allow one ship to defend against all threats, in the worst case scenarios. So basically double the surface area. The world's two-thirds water. Most of the big populations are in coastal areas. So that was a pretty big deal. They gave me $1,000 and taxed it. I also was playing underground professional poker circuits. I read a whole bunch of poker books. Anything that has like a system component, I was always drawn to that. Whether it be computer science with formal algorithms, philosophy, solving problems through informal discourse, cognitive science kind of landed empirical support for rational philosophical positions. And then of course, you know, doing missile defense or poker. Anything that has a system of rules and things that can be optimized is right up my alley. So that's kind of how I led into the game stuff. I paid for college by day training stocks and winning money in poker tournaments. I was always able to master skill games very, very quickly. And then I would, so I would build off like all the greatest experts in the field and then try to take it as far as I could past that. So I had like this little intellectual circle in high school of these really smart dudes that were also super nerdy. And this one dude who went and did a PhD in quantum physics, he's like living on a boat now, like trying to build like a minimal Linux distribution or something. He's like, dude, you got to read the books again. He's like, this will teach you how to pick up chicks. And I said, that sounds like bullshit. And for like two years, I refused to read it. It just sounded like a scam. And I wish I'd read it sooner. But once I finally read that, that kind of like, you know, ignited the whole drive because I went and tried some of the stuff and some of it was working. So I saw, okay, there's a whole method to the madness. So he also recommended mystery method. And to this day, mystery is the guy that I respect the most in the community. I think he had one of the closest attempts to an optimized system. There's a lot of stuff he got wrong, but there's a lot of stuff that he got right and formed the basis of what I did. So I really liked with Mystery's approach that it was very methodical, tactical. I must have listened to his audiobook like 50 times, I think. I was listening to and from work at the missile job and during work and this kind of stuff. So I was able to hit the first 100 girls in June 2012, a little over nine years ago. And I worked for a few months for Real Social Dynamics, RSD, teaching programs with Todd and Jeffy in New York and the East Coast of the U.S. And then came to find out they're just mainly a big scam operation. So this is an annoying chart that I put up in a lot of my videos. You're going to see there was like an exponential progression. The 100 girl mark was mid-2012. So it took about 10 years to hit the first 100 girls, then it was about 100 to 150 girls a year for a while. Best year being 246, mid-2017, mid-2018. This is where I really started to settle out of the girls straight to the house and optimize a lot of the texting sequences. And this isn't updated, but as you saw in the first slide, it's up to 1,000, 413. And the reason why I track this stuff, some people think it's fucking weird, right? And it is a bit weird. But it's one of the only objective ways to kind of track how you're progressing. There's a bunch of other factors, but it's one of the only objective metrics. So whenever I talk to other coaches, as you say, how many girls you've been with, and it's usually, unfortunately, below 100, which I don't think that's enough experience to be coaching this stuff, right? I get clients come to me that have been with 300 girls, 400 girls sometimes. And then in terms of proof, I have, by far, I think I have more proof than all the rest of the coaches combined. I have pictures with girls, including tons in hook-up situations. Hundreds of hours of hidden camera infield footage, including over 100 pulls from start to finish on camera. On my old Instagram, before it got banned, I posted 300 of the closes in a row. The girls' face blocked out. All the other top guys, a lot of them are in the underground communities from the forums, all these things vouch for me all over online. And I've been reporting the results steadily since 2012, either on the forums and then later on to YouTube. And then even the first day in Orlando, I'm not even closing a whole lot of new ones these days because I'm living with multiple girls in Brazil, but was able to get a couple, Tinder, and one of my clients got to see me pick up a chick when we were out for dinner, and she cheated on a boyfriend of three years and was kind of torn about that and then came back the next day. So basically the formation of the system, I started attracting lots of attention on RSC Nation. That was like the premier pickup forum back in 2012. Were any of you guys on RSC Nation? Show of hands. One, two. That was the big kind of area for collaboration. And I would just write like these shocking stories like banging four girls in 24 hours or like, you know, just doing different things in the game. And I'd kind of do a massive tactical and technical breakdown. And so I had a lot of the posts on the first page. And I tracked a lot of attention. And these guys selected me to be part of this forum called Top Beasts, which was supposed to be the top best 30 guys based on our field reports, people vouching for us, a bunch of stuff like that. And what I did was I befriended all these guys. Turns out I knew a bunch from already through various circles, but I befriended everybody and kind of just vacuumed up what everyone was doing and did a massive comparative analysis and found the common overlapping key areas. What are you guys doing when you walk up? After you say, hi, what are you doing next? How are you normally texting? What are you doing on your dates? How are you keeping the go around? So all the major key areas, finding out what everybody's doing, finding out the common overlap, and then that kind of formed the basis of my system and also leveraging what I learned from Mystery Method, leveraging what I learned from Naturals. It's basically, it's kind of like a Bruce Lee kind of taking all the best approaches and combining it into one thing. But it also is very similar to Jordan Belford's straight line persuasion system. So there's like open to close. I show guys the major structure for how to lead it from open to close. And then when it diverges off the straight line, I show you how to optimally bring it back and move it forward again. And I'll go through a bunch of that in a moment here. Who here has seen The Wolf of Wall Street? Yeah, so it's still my favorite movie. I think it's about eight or nine years old now. But the way he trains the guys on the phone, when they say this, you do this. When they say this, you do this. That's how I train my students. So it's kind of like the Sun Zoo quote from the Art of War where the battles won before it's fought. I give guys, here's all the major things that are going to happen. Here's what you do. There's no curve balls. There's no guesswork. There's no confusion. It just maps it all out so that they can just start repeating it for life. So this is a screenshot from one of my YouTube videos. There's really kind of seven major problems in the game. So this is kind of a flow chart of how I've mapped out the system. It's kind of like a sales funnel. So you have online game, night game, and day game at the top. That leads to a bunch of phone numbers. Then it relies on your texting skill and your ability to turn phone numbers into dates. And then your ability to turn dates into girls coming back home. And then your ability to turn those into hookups and lastly retain. So either you have a lead flow problem at the top of the funnel. Most guys have problems across the whole funnel. But you have a lead flow problem. So you're doing online night game and day game wrong. So you're not getting very many phone numbers. Then most guys suck at texting. So the phone numbers you do get usually don't turn into dates or not very many turn into dates. Then guys fuck up their dates. And so unfortunately, most of the dates turn into nice to meet you. But I don't see this going anywhere. I didn't feel the chemistry, et cetera. And then guys fuck up at the house. They're not sure how to do the closing part. And then once they get past that, they're not usually sure how to retain for rotation or for a girlfriend purpose. And then to make matters worse, a lot of the coaches on YouTube are either actively purposefully scamming or they just have very shitty systems. And so a lot of the people that are falling, even though they're very popular, are usually setting guys back. And then problem number seven is kind of the other areas where people are going for assistance, whether it be the forums or other products or training. It's usually just the blind leading the blind. Most people are getting advice from people that aren't that good. And whenever I go into these forums or go into these WhatsApp or group me chats, it's just all misinformation across the board. Somebody will say, hey, I didn't get to close this girl on the first date. And someone says, oh, as a general rule, girls don't usually close until the second date. And I'm like, oh, thanks, I didn't realize that. And I come in and it's like, what the fuck is this? Because it should be like 75, 80% close on the first date. And I just see this all over and I've been seeing this for 10 years. And that's kind of why I rail on a lot of these other coaches is because they're actively pushing misinformation. And the vast majority, the vast, vast, vast majority of the guys that are actively putting in time effort and even money into the stuff are stagnating in results and they're not getting anywhere close to their goals. So that brings me to how my system looks here, which we're going to go over. So I have an eight-week mentorship course at platinumdatingsystem.com. Basically, it's just like a sales funnel here. So the top is the lead acquisition. As I said before, the online game night game and day game. That all leads down to phone numbers. The phone numbers, it depends on your texting to turn into dates. That's the lead management portion, which is arguably one of the most important things that you can do. You know, anybody can get phone numbers, but then there's a whole art to how you follow all the control paths in order to set the dates up. And then the lead closing, being able to convert your dates into hookups and then the lead retention. So the way I diagnose guys' problems is we basically just try to measure quantitative metrics from funnel level to funnel level and see where their bottlenecks are. So if you're not getting many phone numbers, we fix that first. Now you're getting much phone numbers. You plug into my text scripts. You fix those metrics so that you're closing three or four out of five dates instead of zero or one, for instance. Just a quick note on mindset. So in the very beginning of my course, I tell guys, think that you're at 100 out of 100 at all times. And this is a really important lesson for the rest of your life, right? In order to have maximal confidence, don't subscribe to these ideas of like state or warming up or, you know, getting in the zone or anything like that. Just think you're at 100 out of 100 at all times and that there's like a brick wall there and basically external events from your own perceived value of yourself, right? Even though this isn't true, like you're not always on top of your shit at all times, it's still the best mindset to have. It's the best frame to come from. Rather than letting rejection and negative reactions deflate you and define how you think of yourself. Because most guys, you know, rejection is something you can never avoid. Negative reaction is something you can never avoid. Anybody that says, oh, once you get good enough, you'll never get rejected or you'll never have flakes. That's just all pure BS. If you were thinking about like door to door sales or cold calling, you can never stop the scenario where someone just slams a door in your face and tells you to fuck off. It's the same with walking up to strangers. Some girls have boyfriends, some girls are in a bad mood, some girls just don't want to talk to you. It doesn't matter what the reason is. It doesn't matter how good your game is. You're still going to have to deal with that. So you can either let it bring you down or you can just let it roll off. So the other big point is that the purpose is not to win the girl over. It's not to get her to like you. It's not to gain points or avoid losing points. You should already assume you got the girl before you even approach. And then all your verbals, all your body language will flow from that mindset. So that's very, very important. As soon as you start doubting your own self-worth or you start doubting if you have a chance to get the girl, that turns you into micromanaging what you're doing and saying so that you're trying to say the perfect thing. You're trying to be the smart guy, but I'm not good enough how I am authentically so I need to alter myself to be good enough for this girl. And then she picks up on that very quickly. And the analogy I always use in my YouTube videos is if you went into a car dealership and you wanted to buy a car and they said, hey, we have this rusted piece of shit over here. The parts are all broken, the windows are busted out. It's all rusted up. Do you want to buy it? That's what you're presenting to the girl when you're doubting your own self-worth. So I basically treat all women in cold approaches and on dates as if I already banged them. There's no trying. There's no need to gain points or avoid losing points. So the first thing we start off with, we'll kind of go through my system now, is the online game portion. So how many of you guys are on like Tinder and Bumble and the online apps? Just one? Oh, okay. Like a handful. So the first thing we do, we have guys get a professional photo shoot, right, and I have a team of girls that picks the top five photos. So guys will get a whole shoot done. I have basically instructions to where a variety of outfits, variety of settings, don't look posed, et cetera, et cetera. And then I have a team of girls picks the top five photos out of that whole batch and then rates them one to ten. Then we apply an app called FaceApp, which I highly recommend if you guys don't know about it. It really enhances the aesthetics of your pictures using artificial intelligence. So even an average-looking guy with pro photos, you're basically going from average photos to pro photos to top pro photos and then applying the aesthetic upgrades. So now you're really presenting the best version of yourself. And so now you're getting a whole bunch of matches. You're getting a good quantity and quality of matches. Then the next piece is you have to handle the messaging on the app in order to turn it into a phone number. Then you have to handle the texting to turn the phone number into a date. And I provide all that for the clients 100%. So they just follow the charts. So those go green out of the gate, meaning that they're optimized. So they literally go from getting a pro photo shoot to now having a bunch of dates set up. That's how quick the progress happens. And these charts were built. I have over 14,000 phone numbers on my phone. The close rate falls about 10%. So when I had 1,000 girls, December 2018, I had about 10,000 phone numbers. Now at 1,000, 413 closes, there's, I don't know exactly, but there's over 14,000. And so that's what guided optimizing the best message sequences. I just kept testing and refining and refining and refining. It was a very scientific process to measure conversion stats going from match to phone number and going from phone number to date. So literally the guy gets a photo shoot, plugs into the sequences, and now he has dates. And what's interesting is I teach them exactly how to frame dates that come straight to the house. So I also teach them later how to run the public dates, but lots of guys that come on the program, whether it be a virgin, a guy that's on a drive spell or a guy that's just been trying this to figure this out for years and not gotten anywhere, he literally goes from getting a pro photo shoot to now girls coming to his house. And as you can see, that happens from plugging these sequences, and then over half will come straight to the house statistically because I have an objection answer as well. I'll go over that sequence actually. So basically I say over text, when are you free to meet up? She tells me her availability that you pick the soonest day in time when you're both free. Then I say, do you like wine? They typically say yes, and I say, cool, we could split a bottle of wine at my new apartment and see how the chemistry is. Do you prefer red or white? So it's like a decision closing sales, whether she picks red or white, both involve coming over your house. So about half will just pick red or white, and then it's done deal, they come over. The other half statistically will say some kind of objection. I don't go over to a stranger's house that I just met. I said a whole bunch of shit. The one that won by far, I say, LOL, I'm really laid back, don't worry. Bring pepper spray if you're that worried, LMAO. And I don't normally even type LMAO, but it really makes it into a no-threat thing. And so that converts another two or three out of the five objectives statistically. So overall about seven or eight out of ten will come straight to the house, unless you're in Ukraine or some very conservative, proved culture, which I was at one point at work, but in most countries it's about seven or eight out of ten will come to the house, including the objection answer. And then this is also a sexual screen because what I've found is that those two or three that still insist on the public date typically still won't come home with you or they'll come home with you and not hook up. So that was the big change that I made in mid-2017 that allowed 246 new closes in one year. And so that basically the guy gets the pro-photo shoot, now he has girls coming to the house, and then we move into the cold approach training. So how many of you guys have done at least one cold approach, like walked up to a stranger? About half? Okay, almost everybody. So this can be pretty scary for a lot of people. It was pretty scary for me in the beginning. You're putting your ego on the line. A lot of these scam products tell you you don't have to have an approach. The girls will come to you, it's all BS. So night game obviously is the bars and clubs. Daytime game is the rest. Street Smalls, grocery stores, et cetera. And kind of a high-level overview of like a three-step process for my cold approach training is on the opener, you're making strong eye contact, you're speaking loud enough, you're speaking with kind of a commanding presence, and implementing physicality so that it's not a platonic interaction. The next piece is you're asking logistical information. So if you're at a bar, who are you here with? What are you doing after this? What area do you live in? All these types of questions. How do you guys know each other? And then the seat in the pole part is you're planning the idea that the two of you are going to hang out after. So you're kind of setting frames that you guys are going to be meeting up after the bar or club. And also again physical escalation. And then the last piece is the closing part. So typically when you suggest that you guys go back to your house, in the optimal responses teach one. So she's going to say, I can't leave my friends, I have to be up early. What if you're a serial killer? You guys have heard this stuff before. I can't come unless this friend comes or unless the whole group comes. We just got here, we have to stay until the end, etc. It's usually I can't leave my friends. That's like 90% of the time. So I teach guys how to deal with that in the first half of the night versus the second half of the night. Because in the first half of the night and if you solve them and she's down enough, then you typically will pull or take her home. If not, then you'll take her phone number and set up a date for later. All these things have like an exact science behind it. So when I get a number, I don't just take the number, hey, I'll hit you up sometime. I set an exact day and time for us to meet up. So that's more solid. You don't have to do it over text. So an example of what I call the green light path where there's no objections. You would walk out the standard opener. I wanted to meet real quick or can I meet real quick who you're here with, blah, blah, blah. We're going to have drinks in my place, live nearby. You should come and the girl agrees. You might run into something like this if she lost her friends and then you basically just leave her home and so this will be like a five minute interaction. I have infield examples on my channel where I go over how this looks. But this is going to be like the exception. Typically you're going to have a lot of objections, two or three typically. So once we iron out all the whole approach stuff, the next big piece is converting dates, how you're running your dates back at the house. So that's this piece here. So I suggest my clients for the first date to typically do coffee or drinks. Dinner is a little bit too formal and if the girl is really, really pushing dinner sometimes she has other intentions. So it's typically just a coffee or drink date, something casual. And I teach guys kind of how to run this like a system, right? So there's like a very specific set of things you should do and I have hidden camera infield dates, the full length dates that I provide so they can see exactly how the whole thing looks. What am I talking about? How do I move it forward? How do I sexualize? How do I set the frame that she's going to come back home? How do I demonstrate higher value to stand out from the other guys? You know, and so on and so forth. Basically the two big mistakes that guys are making on their dates is they're not sexualizing enough or at all because they're too afraid the girl is going to react negatively and then what happens is the girl puts you in the friend zone and she basically just sees you too platonically. Right? So I teach guys how to just make sexual innuendos, try to twist anything you can into something sexual, do little physical touches, hold their hand across the table and let go, touch around the side, kick around to the table, et cetera, et cetera. If guys don't do those things, then they're typically going to hear a lot of, oh, it's nice to meet you but I don't see this going anywhere. I didn't feel the chemistry, et cetera, et cetera. So that's big mistake number one. Big mistake number two is that guys don't set it up for the girl to come back home with them. So the girl typically isn't going to lead things like that. So the date kind of just gets to the end. Most guys will just talk and talk and talk and eventually the girl's like, all right, well, it was nice meeting you, blah, blah, blah. So I tell guys, run your date from about 45 to 75 minutes, sweet spots about an hour, do like one coffee or like one or two drinks. The point at which you should be seating the pole for her to come back with you is once things are quote-unquote on, I kind of tell, you know, there's like a, it's just like a feeling. There's like a spark between you guys. She's starting to like you, et cetera, et cetera. And I'll propose that she comes back with me. That'll typically lead to one of two objections. The hookup objection, I'm not that kind of girl and I say three types of responses. Don't worry, I have no sexual expectations. Let's just go and whatever happens happens and I like to let things unfold naturally, right? And the whole kind of like psychology behind this is society tells her, they call us in the game anti-slut defense. So society tells her that if she goes home with a stranger that she just met and she hooks up prematurely, then you might view her as a slut, she might view herself as a slut, her friends might view her as a slut. I've even heard girls say that God is viewing them as a slut. So you kind of have to give her what they call in the game terms as plausible deniability. So don't worry, it's not for sex. We're just going to show you my view. We're just going to split a bottle of wine. It doesn't really matter what you use. I have preferred ones that work pretty well. But it's just giving her some other reason. She knows why you're really going there. At least she's open to the possibility of hooking up. But usually you can't be explicit about it unless you're talking about sex and stuff like that during the date, which is going to be rare. So you basically put that out. She'll give you an objection about going home with you. You say, don't worry, I have no sexual expectations. And she might also have a safety objection. That's the other big one on dates. You tell her, don't worry that we've been talking. I'm normal, blah, blah, blah. It helps if you have cameras in your building or if you have security at the front or whatever. But there's ways to deal with those. And then you have her on board. And then you can just keep repeating this process with your dates. And there's techniques to never run out of things to say. I'll go over that real quick. So a lot of guys have trouble like, how do I keep the conversation going? What do I talk about? Mystery, he has an example of, when you go to a park, you see a girl with a dog. You say, hey, what kind of dog is that? Oh, blah, blah, blah. What's his name? How long have you had him? And then you kind of quickly exhaust the dog thread and you have nothing to talk about. And the girl says, well, nice to meet you. And she leaves. So instead, you should be multi-threading the conversation, starting a bunch of different topics, actively bouncing from thread to thread. That way you don't just stall out one particular topic and run out of stuff to say. Mystery says that if you let the conversation fall flat, she'll get bored and blame you. So we go over different strategies like that and they utilize them in the cold approach situations as well. The next big piece is converting girls back home. So, you know, I get clients, it's basically you're just removing one bottleneck at a time. We fixed their lead flow, they plug into the text, now they're getting a lot of dates, even the virgins. They come on, there was a virgin recently had seven dates on week two, which was more than I had because I'm living with multiple girls and I've got 14 on the side, so I'm usually banging a lot of repeat girls. This dude wasn't getting any dates. He had taken five other training courses, still a virgin, still no dates, same story almost every time. Comes on here, gets the pro photos and then his calendar filled up with dates. But then he was screwing up the dates, we fixed that, and then it gets to the point where he's bringing the girls home but not closing any of them. So then we focus on that part. So I have like a whole kind of training exactly that you get home, you put on music, you can offer a drink, you know, optionally, but then I kind of have a whole kind of escalation sequence to go through. You're like baby stepping. It's just like with any kind of persuasion or sales stuff. The whole game is all about compliance. So when you ask for a phone number, when you try to take her home, when you try to escalate, anything you do in the game is a compliance test. So really solid game is just building the compliance test very, very slowly, there's no big jumps. So if you're very platonic on the date and then you get back to your house and you make some big moves sexually or physically, now it's like a big deal because it's this big jump versus leading up to it slowly so that sex is just the next natural piece. Like last minute resistance, the LMR notion in the game, that's because guys are like bringing things out of nowhere or they're skipping steps, right? They'll go from like a make out on the couch to leading the girl to the bedroom and they're prematurely making her commit to the decision to have sex before they've properly built up to that point. So I look at all this like very, very algorithmically and very mathematically. If you're just falling apart at a certain level, I usually just have them describe a couple of scenarios. Okay, you're skipping these steps. It's usually they're skipping steps or they're implementing different things incorrectly which we fix very quickly because we have, in this eight week program, we have four calls a week so they plug into the optimized training and on the calls we just blast through every mistake and weak point and by week two or three they're already usually executing at an advanced level and this hasn't ever been done before. I think most people assume that you need months and a lot of the scam companies tell you that it's going to take thousands of hours, thousands of approaches, thousands of nights out, that's total BS. I can get a guy very good in the matter of like a few days. That sounds a bit crazy but when you're doing the proper things and making the proper moves, it just works because it's been tested and the problem is that most people are just putting mass action and mass practice behind incorrect strategy or very, very poor strategy and these companies tell you you just need more action like RSD for instance, they were the popular company for a long time, just take action just take massive action and you have these guys going on doing like thousands of approaches with terrible strategy or no strategy and that doesn't help them it actually harms them in a great way it's actually reinforcing lots of bad behaviors it's deflating their confidence it's like when you don't see any result from all this effort you're putting in it's very easy to suddenly turn to red pill and now you're blaming women and then after you get sick of that you start blaming yourself you turn to black pill, you start blaming your looks oh I'm just not a chat so there's no way this can work and there's a better way most of the clients I've had have looked average over the past 10 years have helped thousands of guys and I've gotten the vast majority of them very, very good and the reason is is because it's the system, it's the game that's producing the result it doesn't, you know looks I've talked to a lot of hard girls about this 10-20% of the equation and I've dated lots of beautiful girls all around the world it's not women that's the problem it's just that guys have a bad system and a bad strategy so the last piece is being able to retain so even if you start getting good at closing what's good what good is a bunch of one-eyed stands when you want to have something more meaningful so that's either in the form of a rotation or as a girlfriend when you keep the girls around so I have a whole set of strategies for that as well one of the big things is you need to build up enough investment in kind of a short period before she loses interest so investment is built through time there's temporal investment spending time with her hook up physical investment and emotional investment with her liking you and getting attachment and feelings for you and that was first two to three hangouts pretty quickly so if you were to go on a coffee day on a Monday whether you close or not you should be closing 80% but whether you do or not you should be setting the next date before the end of the first day is over that's a big mistake guys make they try to play it cool they try to let a bunch of days go by and what that's doing it's a neurological thing I read a lot of neuroscience books about how as time is passing it's like a river bank it's like filling back up and she's meeting other people she's doing other things she's forgetting about you and so you're actually kind of battling against time in the sales world if you don't close on the first day your odds of closing go down by like 50% a day so a lead, a new phone number is typically only good for about a week and after like 48 to 72 hours it's really decreased in value with text I'm always pushing for the meetup going straight for the meetup I think Steve, Steve the Dean I don't know if he's, I don't think he's in here he was saying during his workshop yesterday that he's asking for the meetup in the first three texts I asked for it in the first text so hey it's John from Tinder when are you free to meet up hey it's John from so-and-so when are you free to meet up and you should in an even better place to ask them in person when you're free to meet up because when they're in person now you have like the mood is up she can't just ignore you like she can on text we should meet on Wednesday what kind of food do you like right so now you set up the next date I usually do two days out so it's two days out let's get sushi, let's get Mexican food usually some kind of low level food not like a fancy dinner I think that demonstrates like a winning move that you're willing to take out in public even though you just banged around the first date so that mitigates a lot of this feeling bad about hooking up too soon with a stranger and then it's a done deal right you don't have to text her over a text hope she replies to your opener hope she replies to your banter hope she says yes to meeting up again and texting is like a battlefield so you don't want to be in a position where you're doing damage control or you're digging out of a hole as soon as she stalls you out as soon as she ignores one of your texts now you have to like keep hitting her up and after you've done yourself in those situations you just set the next date before the end of the current hangout so you would set the date for Wednesday then you go on the little dinner thing bring her back home, close her again and then maybe set her up for one more date for Friday or Saturday and then she's pretty much a regular at that point you've got that investment built in the beginning and there's different other things I do I've optimized the whole sexual process as well to try to give them the best sexual experience of their life on the first time that plays a factor in bringing them back I'm kind of an unintended effect I put like kind of how to hit the G-spot in all the major positions in my training and we had a virgin utilize that and got feedback on his first time ever having sex that it was the best sex of the girl's life and she didn't know that people could be that good in bed and so that was just him watching a 30 minute video that went through how to hit the G-spot in all the major positions and he just, you know, remembered that he actually watched it a couple of times he said back all this girl is saying like this was by far the best sex she's ever had, blah, blah, blah so not only can the game be learned very quickly at an optimized level but your sexual skills can be massively upgraded very quickly as well so yeah, set in the next date and then I'm setting a bunch of frames so I'm saying like oh I feel a good connection with you I can tell we're going to hang out a bunch more the sex is really good I feel like we're going to start having sex a lot so I'm setting a whole bunch of frames at key times so setting the next plans and then giving her a good sexual experience and all that ties into the likelihood of her sticking around now the thing is why is most of the advice that they're wrong any of you that are familiar with my channel I've attacked like 50 guys I think at this point I have like a whole playlist of like roasts and exposed videos and attack videos the thing is that most coaches out there don't even have like one picture of themselves with a girl they call it receipts most of these coaches don't have elite skills it's come out before that like some of these coaches there was a guy in England that was teaching cold approach and it came to light that he had never even gotten one cold approach lay he got like eight girls total and it was all from Tinder and I call these guys all out by name in a very aggressive way in a very kind of over the top way to really make it known how many of you guys have seen my videos where I attack people anybody in here yeah so the reason why I do that people think he's being an asshole or he's being a hater I take the game like I have a lot of respect for the game it's like if I see myself as really having risen to the top in terms of what you can accomplish in the game I devote most of my free time to it so you have these guys that come into the space of some qualifications and anyone can say anything because this isn't like like in basketball you'd have to see these people perform or like MMA or something you'd have to see people would have to prove their claims about being good at this stuff but with getting better with women people can just say oh I'm really good I know what I'm talking about this and that and they don't have to prove any of it and they don't have to and I can just spot that their advice is way off because I know how the correct system looks like a group that came out of the scene and within six months they went from zero to 450k subscribers on YouTube and I uncovered that they were just buying big press releases just fabricating all kinds of stories about results and it goes like really really deep and finally they were outed by some bigger channels on YouTube but this is very rampant I would say like the vast majority of coaches unfortunately just have very bad systems it's a lot of blind leading the blind there's a lot of misinformation there's also a lot of information overload so there's you know guys are just being constantly bombarded with you know way over complicated systems I call my cheaper product Occam's razor which is a philosophy concept that the best solution is as simple as possible but no simpler so that's really what I did in my system is I trimmed all the superfluous information I got rid of all the fat the fluff etc prioritized things properly and systematized everything when I was doing the missile defense stuff I was a systems engineer so I made the whole game into a series of flow charts and systems that are very easily repeatable but yeah most of the information out there it's a lot of abstract theoretical stuff guys watch the videos and there's no practical takeaways at all or there's just way too much information and lots of it is irrelevant and so the end result is you just have all these men around the world trying to get better with this stuff and failing and failing for months failing for years and it's causes lots of suffering there's lots of guys that are lonely that are frustrated that are you know it's not that they're not putting in the time and the effort and they're also putting in money I talked to guys that spent tens of thousands of dollars and got nowhere and a lot of guys that I've spoken to on the phone over the past ten years they're at the point where they're ready to give up some of the guys are suicidal some of the guys are just giving up on ever having any kind of connection with the opposite sex for their whole life and a lot of these companies that are giving bad advice are responsible because they really kind of put these guys on a hamster wheel and just extract it as much money as possible without delivering any results so kind of the state of the the dating community the the manager whatever you want to call it as I already mentioned almost everyone is trying to get better at this stuff but the vast majority of people are really bad at gaming it's kind of always been like that and um is Anthony here I think Johnson I don't know if he's here he's actively calling out a lot of these guys as well now um but you know guys just kind of circle jerk on the forums follow the wrong coaches and most people don't know any better the typical progression is the guy wants to get better skills of women he Googles something gets sucked into one of these channels that's kind of full of shit and um thinks that he's consuming content that's useful and the problem is most people don't know what real game is supposed to look like and so they just take these guys at their word even though they're showing no proof like as I said most coaches show zero pictures with girls a lot of them have been discovered to be dating very very very unattractive girls kind of behind the scenes maybe they're married too or having his girlfriends and a woman's value isn't just her physical looks but if they're a dating guru they shouldn't be dating objectively ugly women one could argue um so there's kind of this perpetual confusion and frustration and I think a lot of the guys are also very soft like I have a bunch of videos on being more alpha how to stop being a pussy etc so kind of the biggest sticking points I've seen over the past 10 years of approaching most men are really kind of consumed by the approach anxiety the fear of approach I think that's still a big one mystery explains that we have hardwired into us evolutionarily from tribal times this fear of approach because if you're in like a small tribe and you approach someone that was taken the guy could potentially kill you the guy that she's with or if you got rejected the whole tribe would find out and it would be like embarrassing you'd be labeled as that guy that got rejected and you might never reproduce this very real fear you know that never really kind of goes away so I was blunting it with alcohol for a long time so I was drinking almost every day for about 15 years and quit that about 2 years ago but that would really slice away the approach anxiety fear for me that was the main reason I was drinking so much um but besides that once they approach guys are afraid to escalate and make things non platonic because they think the girl is going to be offended or this and that and guys also don't know what to do after that they don't know how to move it forward right so there's a lot of this referred to as kind of spinning your wheels right after you talk to the girl what do you do next how do you progress it towards a date how do you progress it towards taking your home and that's what I outline in my trainings but to the average guy where do you how are you supposed to know you know there's stuff you see in movies there's stuff that maybe you've heard from your parents growing up and stuff like that but stuff's way off and is usually completely opposite of how it really is and when you go for help from the supposed experts those guys don't know either so most guys are just left in this perpetual state of confusion um and then guys try to be like fancy and gimmicky right so they'll they'll say clever lines they'll try to be the impressive guy the smart guy the funny guy and girls see right through that as well and they're also not carrying themselves well they're not thinking their values at 100 out of 100 so there's really even once you learn the optimized system it's actually very simple and very easy and you can get very good very fast but nobody's really offering I haven't I haven't seen my friend Alex is speaking tomorrow he's very good with the online and text game Alex from playing with fire um I think he's like one of the only other guys that has a very practical approach teaching this stuff but again he's only mostly focused on online game and texting um but he came to a lot of the same conclusions that I did independently so um yeah like I said people don't don't think they're good enough so really the the man has like so many areas to fail and there's all these compounding bottlenecks right so if you if you can't run a code approach successfully and your online profile sucks you're not even really getting many phone numbers and then your texting eliminates your chances to get dates if you get a date now and then it's probably not with a very attractive girl and it's very easy to mess up the date or not sexualized or let the date go on for for too long and guys just keep kind of banging their head against the wall and going through life uh not making it through the funnel so to speak just getting getting stuck at various levels and clearing one bottleneck doesn't help that much because there's usually a whole bunch more waiting so my whole system is designed to radically acclimate them to basically anybody that signs off the program by week two they're just packing their schedule out with dates and then we just get them acclimated to running the date effectively running the back of the house effectively and retaining and then the average stats on the program the vast majority of guys are getting one to two new girls a week going on to do fifty to hundred girls a year and they're getting one new regular on rotation per week so in the eight weeks guys typically close eight to sixteen new girls even if they start as a virgin and they usually have multiple girl rotation uh so kind of key insights that I came about over this ten years the key to getting lots of results in the game is just mass setting dates so a lot of companies focus on the polling part which refers to like taking her home from a club taking her home from you know like a street approach or something like that dates you have perfect logistics so on a date you're one on one there's no cock block friends you're right near your house if you meet her in public who knows how far away you are from your house you don't have to really extract her from like a club or anything like that and you have there's no distractions there's no competing music or other people trying to talk to her if her friends are pulling her away and you can just kind of make it very systematized where you have a coffee shop or bar right near your house and you have kind of a game plan the type of stuff you'll talk about and how you'll physically escalate and how you'll sexualize and you can just repeat that and so if you just stack up a lot of dates that's going to lead to a whole bunch of hookups that's one of the best ones to check the most boxes to build up a rotation of regulars volume is king no matter how good your skill is if you only pick up like two or three new phone numbers a week and those don't turn into dates you're kind of left with nothing so volume not only does it help kind of statistically with giving you more opportunities it's basically a wider funnel at the top but also it makes you care a lot less if a girl flakes on you who cares you have three or four other dates and it's funny because even the virgin has come on the program this one guy he got his first close and he's like oh I messed up the retention part but I don't care I have like four more dates to set this weekend so once you have a whole bunch of volume coming through you have a whole bunch of options so you care a lot less and paradoxically that makes it all work a lot better and it's kind of the an abundance and scarcity mindset if you only have like one girl you're going after it's going to become a much bigger deal texting needs to be optimized there's so many different ways to kind of go astray with texting so that's why I provide the exact set of flowcharts so what do you do if she doesn't respond what do you do if she doesn't respond twice or three times what do you do if she gives objections I have a giant objections flowchart there's like logistics objections comfort objections safety objections hookup objections so basically she says this you do this there's a whole bunch of different permutations but from doing over 10,000 having over 10,000 phone numbers in the phone I built a lot of these charts around the time I had about 10,000 phone numbers in the phone and I've just optimized what the best moves are in every single situation so the guys can just follow the charts and it sets up the dates dates straight to the house is very useful you can stack more girls in a night assuming you know it basically gives you better use of your time you can allocate two and a half hours for a public date you have about an hour at the venue, an hour and a half back home if it's a date straight to the house you only need to allocate about an hour to an hour and a half so you can set girls for like 7, 8, 30, 10 you can fit more in one night also the closing odds go up if she's coming straight to the house partly because of that sexual screen but also you know it's pretty much sub communicated what's going to happen if she comes straight to the house professional pictures for online game are essential I had a client in 2014 that was a programmer for Tinder and he said that he can see on the back end about the top 10 to 15% of profiles are getting most of the matches so if you don't have pro pictures you're not even really competing properly so most guys that aren't getting matches that are getting kind of average or ugly looking girls as they're matches it's typically because your pictures aren't good enough and even if you're not that good looking it doesn't really matter you're going to make you look the best version of yourself and then hot women picking the best of those pro pictures it's kind of like you're just doing the research in advance rather than being like oh I think these are good let's see how it goes my team of girls is picking the best 5 of those pro pictures and then when you put the aesthetic upgrades on it adds like a point or two to the attractiveness typically so even like very average looking guys we can get them having pictures you know in the high 8 range, low 9 range without them catfishing the girl let's see you have to have your closing back at the house game on point you really need to have all the levels we look at it all through quantitative metrics so a lot of these other coaches too it's kind of like very abstract and nebulous if the guy is getting better I ran into a guy in Vegas he said hey I'm coaching with Todd V and we've been training for about 8 months I've been going out like 6 or 7 nights a week and I always want to know what lay comp did you start at and how often were you going out he said I've gotten laid 0 times in that 8 months going out 6 or 7 nights a week but Todd says my game is getting a lot better I said dude I could explain all of the night game to you tonight in about 60 minutes and I could get you laid tonight with high chance and so that really goes to show you have to have a proper system first of all but all this stuff of like practicing and practicing and practicing without any result which is what most guys are doing is it's not like one day he does this for a year and all of a sudden he's going to start closing girls regularly he's practicing the wrong way and he's actually ingraining incorrect strategy hard wiring that into himself and those are actually my hardest clients I'd rather have a guy that hasn't gone down these rabbit holes with shitty strategy and practice it a whole bunch because if they have, which most guys have then I have to unwire all that and teach them the proper way you know, but once you we look at it with quantitative metrics so if you go on 10 dates how many do you bring back home it should be 7 or 8 if you bring 10 girls back home how many do you close should be 7 or 8 and so on and so forth so we're looking from level to level how many are passing through the next level of the funnel to see what we need to improve oops and this is about, this is another point but this is about being the high value man so there's no pick up alter ego where you go to the club you put on a different mode you're not trying to imitate alpha confident behavior you're not trying to do these fancy gimmicky, like most people think from a lay person's standpoint that pickup artists are just guys from the old school ones that are dressing with fucking top hats and doing the peacocking and there's a lot of negative press in the news because it just takes one or two guys to go and do something stupid and then they get lumped in so I hate even calling myself that but good game doesn't look fancy these guys will attack, like I'll put out hidden camera videos like taking a girl home oh his game sucks, he didn't do all this stuff the problem is that most people are doing bad game and they don't know what good game even looks like so good game doesn't it's not fancy and gimmicky and doing little tricks and little lines and stuff like that it's just reliably moving things forward through the process and knowing what to do when you encounter objections and non-compliance on the way so I look at every interaction kind of like a mathematical equation it's like how many objections and points of non-compliance are there and how long does it take to redirect and move it back forward and that kind of determines how long it'll take to bring the girl home and yeah you should be able to deploy these skills 24-7 so as an example I landed basically I got on the plane Wi-Fi and switched my location to Orlando when I was flying from Brazil went on Tinder got a whole bunch of girls in the pipeline had a girl show up to my hotel 10 minutes after I landed closed that one and then I was with one of my clients who came through my A-week program just for sushi at dinner and picked up a blonde chick at the restaurant and she ended up leaving her friends later coming back to the hotel and then another Tinder girl and then there's a bunch of other ones in the pipeline there's a Hooters girl the bartender at the sushi restaurant who was supposed to come last night like a logistical problem at the very last second so you can literally go to a new city or start from scratch and just start implementing the system and just start having new closes coming through you can build up rotation pretty quickly if I were to be living here after this conference I already have Hooters girl and the sushi bartender those are both above a 9 so those would be spot number 1 and 2 on the rotation I typically run 10-15 girl rotations and you can build up a whole rotation in 1-2 months from scratch once you're doing things properly and anybody can do that you don't need 10 years in the game you just need to be executing the proper strategy so basically if anybody is interested in working with me I have an 8-week mentorship program basically at the PlatinumDatingSystem.com website you can sign up for a free 30-minute call and we'll walk you through basically I ask guys tell me how many girls you've been with how old are you, what city, and all that stuff and then what are your goals so I want to know if he's looking for a girlfriend or wife I want to know if he's looking to just have a lot more options or just to bang a lot more girls or build up a rotation and I want to know what are your goals before halfway to the program so if they want a 3-girl rotation we're going to get that by end of week 4 that's what we always strive for and we usually hit that and I also have him identify his weaknesses and that shows me where we need to focus in which parts of the system oh well I'm okay if I get a girl back home but I don't usually get girls back home or I'm okay at getting hookups I'm not sure how to get dates set up in the first place or I always mess up my texting so any one of those problems it's very easy to see okay here's the part of the system and then on the calls we have basically 32 calls it's 4 calls a week that are 2 hours across 8 weeks so you got 32 calls in the calls we dig into all their weak points on a custom level so that's how between the combination of plugging into the optimized system and then having those calls you're progressing at a kind of optimized rate on the steep part of that curve if you guys remember the exponential curve and then when you hit a block a weak point we cleared away on the call as it progressed further hit a block a weak point cleared away so it's kind of allowing us to iterate very very quickly and clear the problems on like a call to call basis so instead of like making the same mistakes for years and executing shitty systems and shitty approaches you're already coming out of the gate to fix because I've also been coaching for 10 years so I also have the ability to spot I've pretty much seen and done everything and seen all the different problems that guys have so I can fix guys problems very quickly as well that's the other benefit here you're not just plugging into an optimized system you're leveraging kind of optimized fixing of problems as well and then we have 70 hidden camera demonstration videos where we basically took into public interactions 30 night clubs 30 day game interactions and 10 full-length dates from start to finish where you get to see from start to finish walking up to a stranger all the way to taking her home and everything that happens in between so that shows guys kind of here's exactly how it's done so it's not just training kind of abstract then there's a Facebook group where I answer all the questions personally and they can ask questions 24-7 so it's like very very very difficult to not get very good very fast we've had all kinds of crazy results one of the students is here right now do you want to talk about your results of all or or I could just I could summarize for you do you mind sharing the real stats can I share the real stats so he's 43 he came to me having been with two girls he had taken a lot of other programs and it's the same story I've heard it thousands of times almost every single new client it's the same story I tried lots of stuff for years and it didn't work and in the eight weeks you went from two to nine girls and now you can just repeat that he's a lawyer he's busy with work but now you have a a process that works and so now you can just go in from that and there's still a long way to go in terms of you can level up the quality and eventually move into big rotations three sums dating girls are above nine all that stuff but now you're well on your way now you have a reliable system that works and you also can measure what you're doing as a version benchmark of something you know is proven to work that's the other thing is when a guy has a night out he doesn't even know how to measure what he's doing wrong because there's no system so there's no there's really no ability to improve in a lot of the cases because he's executing poor strategy and then when he comes back home to reflect upon what he did people are just completely confused and had a loss so if anybody's interested in that for those of you guys that are watching this on YouTube we'll have the link in the description or you can just go to platinumdatingsystem.com I also offer live training programs so those are focused on cold approach picking up girls at bars and clubs primarily and also from the streets and the malls we can do three, seven, ten days we're offering potentially like 30 day where we live in the city with you as well I've got a whole team of coaches across the world or you can just email me at johnatjohnantaylifestyle.com with questions or any kind of comments or different things you want cleared up so we have about 10 minutes yeah so that's pretty much the overview we'll jump into some questions here does anybody have any questions is there anybody here that's like looking to improve their dating lives, you got a question yeah so I got a couple but first one would be looking too smooth because I have a lot of experience gaming in New York and after a while I did notice that girls would kind of know that I kind of have game and I would run into a lot of tricks kind of like knowing like there's something almost optimized about how he just went up to me they're like calling you out as like you're being a player and just my close game and stuff like that was too smooth and it did kind of mess things up for me and made me insecure because I felt like they kind of were on to me and how do you avoid looking like that so I always try to give like standard answers if they're like oh do you go on lots of dates no I'm busy with work oh are you meeting lots of girls on Tinder no I don't really use it very much yeah I hear that same stuff all the time oh it seems like you've been with a lot of girls oh I'm usually in long relationships but the subtext is like yeah you're right like I say that kind of stuff with like a smirk on my face but I'm like explicitly kind of denying it but kind of like in a joking way a little bit so I think it's bad to ever tell them like oh yeah I go on lots of dates or yeah I fucked a lot of girls or yeah I'm a big player or anything like that because a lot of them will just some of them think it's gross or like you know that you're just going to play them or something like that so yeah and I miss you to always say like your frame is like it beats all rules so like when you have a strong frame the frame is basically you're a very high value guy right you can get any girl you want even though it's not necessarily true it's kind of like the mindset and it's also like being unapologetic so like whatever you say or do is usually the right thing regardless of if it objectively it was the right thing and that stuff so that way you can't be shook at all like if she's calling you out oh this is too smooth isn't it oh I don't know why you think that you know I just roll that stuff off and change the subject can you give an example of like where it got you stuck well especially in the initial approach because I'd be too confident and I guess they're more used to guys kind of bumbling a little bit or kind of going like well and I'd be in there kind of like knowing what to say how to set up the date and everything and I think they're just not used to that so it kind of at least in my mind it looks like it puts them off yeah but what are they saying like oh you're like you're working me over yeah like they'll think that they're on like a camera show or they think that you know they'll say like yeah yeah you probably do this all the time but they don't even like seem to joke about it seems to actually put them off I don't know if you come from the frame of just like always being unapologetic about stuff I'll be like yeah I go out and talk to girls but you know what's the big deal I always just like play it off as like not a big deal so if they're like oh it seems like you do this too much or you always do this even when I like bang them really good sounds they're like how did you get where did you learn to fuck like that I just say like oh I had a girlfriend where we had a lot of sex and learned a lot of stuff talking to people in my job or just usually just throwing it off but others usually continue moving things forward from there like I don't ever stop and try to like debate them on that it's usually like even in situations I'll try to get every attractive girls number at a club so I end up getting like a lot of like friends of friends numbers or like roommates numbers and then I send the same tech sequences to everybody so they'll say the next morning like hey you sent this to three of my friends too and most people will be like oh I'm fucked I thought that was funny and I'll still ask them all out and like this one girl the other day she's like hey like we had a date plan and she's like hey I just found out like you fucked my roommate blah blah and I was like oh I didn't know you guys were roommates and she's like well I don't think I can see you and I'm like okay that's fine and then she like texted me a couple days later and she's like hey do you want to hang out and I was like I was like yeah sure and she's like okay but I don't want it to be like for sex and I'm like okay that's fine and then I don't remember the conversation exactly but then but basically then it became like sex was like explicitly on the table before she came over I was basically like oh I'm gonna fuck you really good tonight blah blah blah but at first she's like oh I can't see you because you just helped my roommate but since I didn't really care it's I don't know I think she wanted me to like most guys will try to like defend themselves and all this stuff it's just kind of like the girls I'm seeing in Brazil the way they describe it is I just like do whatever I want all the time and then if they don't if the girls don't like it that's fine I don't really care kind of kind of mindset and plus like if they're giving you if they're like trying to harp on anything whether it be like oh you're too smooth or anything like that and they won't let it go you just go to the next one anyways right so does anybody want to go over I got it part two okay hey John great talk it's more of an attestment not a question you know we just met this weekend I gotta tell you this this guy is spot on he's the real deal I saw the blonde girl she came to the bar she came to our table and she followed him like a little puppy wherever he went this girl was so she would leave and come back and leave and come back so I thought it was interesting though because you we were kind of like analyzing her psyche a little bit together you and me because she has a boyfriend of three years that she lives with and she was saying like I feel bad I've never cheated on him blah blah and then you were kind of like picking her brain like oh well do you love him and she said what did she say she said what how did she describe she said I'm not in love with him yeah I'm not in love with him I love him but I'm not yeah I love him but I'm not in love with him right and I said well you've been together three years right and you know and and she said that I guess like they don't have sex very much or anything like that making excuses the dog and all kinds of shit but it was interesting because like yeah like that was the second day we hung out like I had a picture of the night before and when she was leaving she was like oh I can't even cheat on my boyfriend all this stuff I can't ever do anything like that again but then she's calling the next morning and wants to come back over and you were using the things you were just talking about you were touching her on you know sexualizing it well yeah because I've done it like thousands of times yeah I was watching you as you're doing it was very cool scientific point is that as you do all the game stuff it moves into kind of an automatic process where like Mr. you'd always say like the point of of practicing game is to like make it automatic and from a neurological standpoint you're forming mental heuristics which are just you know like kind of mental shortcuts for those of you guys that don't know it's forming you can do this in poker and chess like the chess grandmasters they come look at a board boom look at a board boom like Bobby Fisher in those videos whereas like the more amateur players have to think consciously through all the different things that are happening and analyze things in a serial fashion as you've done this stuff over and over and over you kind of evolve like I went from being the shyest guy in high school to being able to make all the optimized moves from kind of refining it over and over and over a thousand times that's like the whole reward of the game is that it ends up evolving your confidence evolving your ability to handle any kind of situation and then the girls just sense it like once you kind of have made it to their side they just sense like he knows what he's doing he's able to get hot girls and they're they're all attracted to that so in Brazil like when I had the three girls in the house we have all these other girls that come over sometimes there'd be like ten girls of the house and you know since it's just so like normalized like way back in the day like just being around a hot girl I would be like trembling and nervous and intimidated and all this stuff but now it's kind of the point where you know someone will bring friends and I'll just be hitting on the friends right in front of all the other ones and all that stuff but it's just become so normalized at this point but yeah that was interesting how you got to see that with the girl yeah in the story you told like she looked at your sleeve and she was touching you right that's kind of how you broke it yeah it's pretty cool cool and this guy was executive producer for Playboy we're gonna talk about doing potentially a reality show in Brazil either on YouTube or on TV with the girls I got one more question for you how do you like it's easy to kind of frame an interaction with a girl if your goal is an LTR because in your mind it's a simple kind of transaction it's like alright we're gonna date for a while and then I might be the your husband and I'll provide for you and blah blah blah so it gives a man confidence to know that he's got that on the table yep but when you're spinning all these plates and you have all these tricks on rotation especially if they're high quality they're getting hit on by a lot of guys too and these guys are offering a lot whether it's money or lifestyle and stuff like that yep so how do you justify keeping girls on a long term rotation when you're not really like offering them that kind of package so I try to like on every possible on every possible dimension I try to like be the best possible thing so I position myself as like giving them the best sexual experiences giving them the most fun in life like you know just all our inside jokes and all that I want to like really stand out as much as possible from every other guy so that I'm like by far her best option and I also make it very apparent that I have a whole bunch of other hot girls and that basically not like a threatening way but just she knows that she's replaceable so when there's like multiple like nine fives in the house whatever at the same time and they know like if they go and see another guy I'll just cut him off instantly if they lie to me I'll just cut him off instantly and I can just get it I already have a bunch of other girls that are on her level and I could always bring in more right so when they know that they'd rather be with the guy that's getting a bunch of hot girls and that they have the most fun with than some guy that you know where that's where they're gonna be a big deal to that guy they just they just know that they can like be part of this fun lifestyle or not but I'm not ever like begging for them to like stay part of the rotation kind of with rotation management stuff I try to just see each one the ones that are living outside the house I try to just see each one once a week if you see them more than that you know especially like three or four times a week you start to get feelings on both sides they can start pushing for things to become more serious if you see them less than once a week they can start to fall off and start seeing other people so I try to see each one once a week minimum and if they want to take things more serious I typically say like I don't have enough time because I'm working I guess that's technically true or I just say like I say like I don't want to move too fast I want to get to know you more but that kind of just goes on forever but it doesn't come up most guys think that it's gonna come up a lot I would say like 90% of them don't ever bring up like what are we or do you want to be more serious it's like we just have fun and if they ever do bring it up I just say oh I like how things are let's just keep it like this because once you start putting labels on stuff then it becomes more like people get jealous more controlling and there's a lot more drama and all that stuff thank you oh and I frame out like any other guys that are after them I frame them all as like giant losers and that kind of stuff as well so anybody else have any other questions are most of you guys single in here or who here is single most guys yeah it's tough because like I said most of the content on YouTube and the thing I only have like 29,000 subs a lot of these channels like there's a channel that has like a million subs and the guy told me he's like I've never I haven't been with a hundred girls even and he's only seen like two girls at once on a rotation so the popularity of a channel doesn't correlate the value of the advice either but yeah it's just nice having something you can plug into and just get the result right away and this is a permanent solution that's the other thing here that I'm offering is this is meant to be a permanent and lifetime solution so it's you shouldn't need any more training from anyone not even myself afterwards whereas most of the guys in the space it would be bad for their business to help the guy in any kind of meaningful way because he wouldn't have to come back to them for more coaching do you have a question have you ever had the issue when you first go out or meet a girl on a first date or randomly that they want to have a baby with you that same day or get married yeah because it has been to me all the time yeah it's always really and then I tell them let me get to know you and they get really upset yeah the main girl I'm with right now in Brazil was talking about kids names on the first date it's just yeah I don't know why they do that it's fucking weird but I always tell them like oh I got a vasectomy in 2014 in San Diego around I think I was around like 350 girls that time because I got three different girls pregnant that year there was a Czechoslovakian girl got an abortion told me after, Ethiopian girl abortion told me after and the third girl was this Peruvian girl who was one of the main girls I was seeing and she wanted to keep the baby and there was like a month of kind of arguing and I was like I don't want to keep it and she's like well I'm the woman it's my choice so then I was like oh fuck but after like a month of arguing I told her like it's going to be bad for the kid bad for me bad for you she finally got an abortion it was like still in the early stages but I was like I can't fuck around with this anymore so you don't really use protection I do sometimes the thing is so I kind of sometimes avoid STD risks are really overblown like I have a whole video on this going over the real statistics and the real data like everything's curable except for herpes and HIV and with HIV if you look at statistics it's mostly spread through unprotected anal sex it's mostly in the gay community and it's also in some ethnic communities but if you're having vaginal sex it's like very very hard to get if a person has HIV and they have something called PREP that you can take like every day and if your partner can have HIV you'll never get it and then with herpes a lot of people have it and there's no symptoms ever but I have friends that caught herpes I only caught chlamydia three times I was like the only people I'm just open about it that was the only STDs ever caught was chlamydia three times there was never any symptoms just caught through routine testing you take a Zithromax it's gone in a week so it had like zero impact it's usually chlamydia one through five times and that's it so in terms of my old business partner I think out of like 250 girls he only used a conom with five of them or something like that and he never caught anything the common wisdom is like oh you're going to get all these terrible diseases and so 1,413 girls in chlamydia three times but who knows what will happen in the future I guess but if you look at the statistics a lot of the STD stuff is really overblown I'm not encouraging unsafe sex but that's up to each person individually but it's not as big of a deal as most people think also have you noticed what do you feel about the quality of girls these past 10 years have gone down or up way down I think I have a video about eastern vs western women so I kind of lived all around the world I went to all the hot girls cities so I did Vegas, Miami, San Diego Dallas I lived in Ukraine and Poland and now I'm in South Brazil there's a lot of hot girls I was in Puerto Rico Toronto, New York I just moved last week to here oh okay yeah I was in San Juan in 2016 for about a year Latina girls my favorite so I did San Juan I lived in Portugal I find it dangerous to date girls in Puerto Rico one of the last girls they got shot in the head in the back I was almost shot three separate times in Puerto Rico if you talk to a girl there's like six guys that happens I'm talking to a girl and then six guys come over her and I just ignore her and she comes back so you have a risk yeah Puerto Rico is too dangerous but I have a video on my channel about the American versus Eastern women and I think you can make a very because I've had a big experience between those Eastern cultures and the Western cultures I think like the Western cultures like in the US, Canada, Australia the chicks are becoming a lot less feminine a lot less elegant becoming a lot more manly and a lot of the men are becoming a lot more feminine Yes happening in Puerto Rico like these past three months I don't know what happened with the whole coefficient I go to the gym and 8 out of 10 are like homosexual or like soy boys and the girls look like boys I saw like a girl and I thought it was like a little boy running to the girls bathroom so it was that but it's it's a very I don't think I'm ever going to live in a Western nation again I just got permanent residence in Brazil like two weeks ago what about Mexico I've never been to be careful with safety in some of the some of the areas of Latin countries but yeah I think my point there we got to wrap up is basically like once you live in like Poland or Ukraine or in South America the chicks are just a lot more feminine they're a lot more sweet it's like less games, more respect a lot less like power struggling, a lot less flaking it's just plus they're also way hotter so just the external stuff, all the internal stuff seems to be a lot better as well they're just much cooler chicks like the girls in Brazil, all the ones I'm dating are just like super cool compared to the most of the ones that I met in the US not all US girls are bad but there's just a lot of influence culturally I think from different, you know the feminism the me too awesome because it's like a poor nation guys we got a wrap it's all the time we got to give it up to John Anthony