 This video was taken from our live at Five Show over on Patreon if you would like to come and join us on Patreon for all the excuses videos and live shows every day. The link is in the description. Let me ask you a question or ask everyone a question here. Everyone can answer it. Do you think the days of giving 27, 28, 29 year olds anything more than a three year contract is over? In terms of FFP and what we've learned in the last few days. I would hope so. But what we're going to say to you on the flip side to that is there's trends in FFP at the moment. Obviously because a lot of smart people have said the value is in buying players young. Eventually the value will be in getting older players for cheaper because they've lost value. But then again, the statement still stands that yes, they would still be on lesser contracts because about you ever bring a Guilty Six and a 27 and a 5 year deal. Because there's always that risk that you're going to need to sell them in a couple of years and we can't get the money back. I suppose what that would do though is it'd make it difficult to get them in some way, wouldn't it? Because if they settled at a club and you're trying to buy them, say a 27 year old, possibly 28, and then you say we want you for three years and they're like well hang on, I want a 5 year deal. But no, but me and Andy were talking about this last night, funny enough. Well, he mentioned something to me. We were talking about Michael Keane. Yeah. It's about leaving and we were saying well Michael Keane now in the summer has got two years left. Yeah. So ever after had, either have to sell him or give him a contract. There's no railing between them. No, no. Can't let it go down to the last year. So if someone comes in and says we'll give you a three year deal and ever not for a three year deal, he's got a choice to make in terms of where he goes. And if both clubs stand on that, like if you go to Michael Keane and go give you a five year contract, of course, but you're committing a stupid act really by offering a 27 year old. So not come together, but if it becomes a uniform thing that you're not going to offer more than three years. Because as we spoke about last few weeks, you get into a situation where like Sahar, where you're 26 going to 27 signing a five year contract and then finding yourself that you're knackered because the club's got maximum value for you then if they want to sell you, but no one wants to offer. So then you are stuck into that contract. What do we say? Contracts mean nothing. Well, they do if you're stuck on them. They absolutely do if you're stuck on them. It depends how determined your club is to keep you. And if they're determined to keep you, then yet you're knackered. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you might go, well, I can get out of it, but if no club's going to pay you what you're, the club will own you. It's all about registration, isn't it? That's what you're talking about. We know some of the contracts. Yeah. The registration. And so if you've got someone's registration and you're saying, well, to get him out of this registration, you have to pay the Sahar's case 70 million for 28 year old. And then he's going to 130, 40, 50 grand a week at 28. Who's paying that for him? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? No one with sense is paying that for him on the FFP. And you know what? It's not even FFP. Well, it is because obviously that's UEFA in Europe, but it's the Premier League rules. And evidently they'll find this, this summer. Cost control. Cost control. It's going to be, it's evidently in the situation. Jamie Carrick apparently said this last night, seemed like evidently we've got a lot of money to spend. Can't spend the money because of the Premier League rules and because of FFP. Right? And evidently we'll find this in the summer. You've got a lot of money to spend, but you can't spend it. What we will have to probably do in the summer is shelter buy. Yeah. And that means that, and people will hear that and won't like it. But it's not because we're skinned. It's because of the way the Premier League rule, cost control rules are. So it's a tough one because it means that, you know, John mentioned this the other week at the ADM. Yeah. When he said, eventually I'm going to have to shelter it, you know what I'm saying? For a lot of money. Because that way it clears the decks. And it does. And we don't want to hear that as a football club. But until we are making more money and we're satisfying the Premier League, that's probably how it's got to go. Liverpool had to sell the three best players over the past five, six years, make big money and be invest. And we'll have to do it because of the way the Premier League rules are. And FFP is designed to keep the big teams ready. Of course it is. They don't want anyone crashing the party. They've pulled the ladder up, man. That's all they've done. And that's it. They've pulled the ladder up. They've pulled the ladder up behind them. And they don't want anyone else to join the party. And it's as simple as that. It's a load of nonsense. Again, if you want to do something fairly, the only way to do it is to do a salary cap. Right? Now, again, me and Andy were some of this last night. And there's different ways of looking at salary caps, of course. But if you set up a competition before, and you say, right, this tournament, so let's say it's the Champions League, right? And you say, this tournament is going to have a salary cap. So you can't spend any more than whatever. But that salary cap might be slightly different from the Premier League. And if everyone ideas for that, turn the invite to the Champions League, because the problem with FFP is that if everyone want to buy a player and give them good wages, they can't. So you're actually denying someone good wages. But if you've got a salary cap, and the salary cap is big, but it's the same for everyone else. Then it becomes a fair playing field. Yes, there's a limit which there should be. We should get control. But that limit shouldn't be on how much money your club can generate, because that's nonsense. Because that's like saying, and it's funny enough, Andy gave this example last night, you're saying, the owner of Amazon could come in and buy Akins and Stanley. Well, why can't he? Why can't he come in and buy Akins and Stanley and put loads of money into it? Why can't he do that? Because they don't want him to. Yeah, exactly. So why can't Michelley come into heaven? Why couldn't Jack Walker go into... Well, Jack Walker did go into Blackburn. And Liverpool fans were clapping their hands when Blackburn won the league in Anfield, waiting to beat Man United. No-one was asked about FFP then, were they? Or cost control? What they saw was a fella with their ex-manager coming in and taking the title off the established team and breaking up the monopoly. Well, now Liverpool are trying to break up the monopoly of Man City. Yes, they've done it. They've done it outside the rules of FFP, as it's seen. So what? This is what I don't understand. The FFP club or Akins and Stanley or anybody should be able to take money and say we're going to take that money in success. It might happen, it might not happen. But it doesn't mean that we are trying to break the rules. If, for me, a salary cap was in place and you said, this is how much money you can... Not like when you do fancy football. Only golf. Oh, I've got fancy football. I've got 100 million to spend. And suddenly, you have to start thinking about it. But at least it's fair. Because my 100 million... Oh, I know it was my 100 million. But let's say it's 500 million a season or something like that. Well, my 500 million is exactly the same as your 500 million. Your 500 million might come out of good kid deals, good sponsorship deals, the people you can get in the ground. My 500 million comes out of my ass pocket. What's the difference? Why is your money better than mine? Well, the whole point of it, allegedly, why people were interested was to show things like leads, did nothing important, did nothing... you know, dodgy people coming in. That's what he said. But as long as you can prove you've got the money, then it shouldn't matter. Now, you know, we've got... I've said it before, we've got Mishiri and we've got Alessia Rosemannoff, who's got Bill... In his role as a sponsoring, say, element of Everton Football Club. Now, if Everton wanted to spend 600 million this summer, they could do. But they can't do because some stupid rule tells you that they can't, despite having that money there to spend. And so what they're saying is, you know, sorry, but... Man United can spend it because they create this amount of money, but you can't spend it. So how's that? It's supposed to be a fair thing in competitions, not fair. So what happens this summer, right? If I'm just throwing this out there, because he seems to be the people who are laughing at it most, well, let's say they've pulled this summer, wanted to go and buy in Bappé, right? And Paterson's and your man went, you can have them for 400 million. And they've pulled up that and just went, we've got to buy this player, he's ready to come, Klopp's debt wants him, desperately wants him, can, FFP. FFP won't allow it. Would they suddenly change their tune, wouldn't they? Oh, of course. But if everything, if it worked on the salary cap where they could say, we can afford 400 million this year, no problem. Because we've, we are, we've got, we want a tight cheer and the team's all in place, but I want that one big player and I've got 500 million to spend and I want 400, I'm going to give, we're going to give 400 million for him. Then suddenly it's different, isn't it? I just, and I'm not, not... I'm just picking Liverpool out there because, because they are doing it one way, Man City have done it a different way. But the time may come when you want something that FFP isn't allowing you to have. Well, we've got it now. Exactly. And I just, I do believe that there should be some kind of cap, but it should be the same for everyone. It shouldn't matter. If you said to Man City, if you said to Man City, right, you can only spend X amount this year, rather than use FFP. There's, I know Man City have been caught, but that's bound to bad paperwork more than anything. But FFP, there's always going to be a way around it. A salary cap, there's no way around it. There's no way around it. Now people might say, yeah, but actually, those big clubs can afford 500 million, let's say 500 million. We're only a small club. We can't afford 500 million. Well, what difference does it make then? Because you can't afford it with FFP. So you can't afford it with a salary cap. Well, there's a club like, let's say, us or Man City or could be Liverpool at some point. If they can afford it, then why couldn't they afford it? There's always been haves and have not in FFP, right? What this is doing is stopping potential haves from going forward. And all it'll create is a monopoly. And all it'll end up with is a super league. That's the main thing about it. It'll drive a wedge between clubs. It'll drive a wedge between the big clubs and UEFA if this continues. But I don't think a salary cap would. I think a salary cap is fair because it's fair to everybody. I really do. You rather do a salary cap, you do a spending cap, whatever. That everyone's the same though, you can't go. Man United can spend 400 million this summer, but Everton can only spend 100 million. It's nonsense. That's unfair. That's unfair. Playing in the same competition. It's nonsense. And someone needs, in a way, I hope City go and go balls out with the thing because they can get it thrown out. Because it's illegal, really. It's restriction of trade. And it's not a fair competition. Well, I mean, it is an entire margin because, I suppose it is, but it also, if it's in the rules of UEFA's tournament agreements. What? I wouldn't change what they can. No, what I mean is that I'm not a lawyer. So I can't. But I imagine that if you looked at Man City's terms and agreements of, or anyone's terms and agreements of Champions League, there's nothing stopping them from buying players. But it's probably more down to the fine prints of whether you can register those players for the Champions League. You can't play in that. Do you know what I mean? It's like, you can... Yeah, but the Premier League. No, that's what I'm saying as well. The Premier League is illegal. No, but it comes down to what I'll actually... It's the word and not the... No, that's what I'm saying. Like, what I mean is it's like, they'll be working agreements, but then they'll be like Premier League and UEFA agreements. And they're separated away. So it's... They'll probably say, when you can sign who you want, you just can't play them. Do you know what EC Milan did? EC Milan basically said that they took a ban from Europe because they kept failing FFP. And this year, what they did is they said, they'll take the ban this year. They'll spend a load of money in the summer in the hopes that they get to the Champions League next year and obviously be able to pay all these players. But unfortunately, they're not going to do so they're going to be hit again. They haven't got that. They don't think they've got the same rules. Don't forshare that. No. And that's our issue. It's the city of that. What the teams are doing in the city of that for years is basically two clubs would move a load of players between each other and cook the books with no money. It was changing hands and saying, we've received £450 million for these youth players. The addons. And it was all creates of the kind. I think that's why Parma went under the red shirt. And that's why, that's why whatever happens in this shitty deal, right? Whatever happens in this shitty thing, those clubs now know how not to fall. How not to fall to these rules. And that's what, do you know what I mean? This will be the thing where every club will now study how Man City have been caught to make sure they don't get caught. That's what I mean. Like we were talking about last week, we were looking at Palestine and Juman and all their contracts that they've got from companies in Qatar where their owners are from. And obviously that's where Man City had fallen short as well. But I just think it's a nonsense. And I think we should be looking to just bring a salary cap in. And I think that could work better. Marky says, you will never go for a salary cap. And they have to come from UEFA for all top flights at the minimum is because they want, don't want their precious Champions League finals to be Atalanta and Seville. But yeah, I appreciate that. And he also says, read the salary cap for the change. The state knows what it's doing in baseball. You cannot spend more than 260 million. The Yankees and Kansas City Royals can both spend that amount. The Yankees spend 260. The Royals spend 60. It's an even playing field and it's up to an individual team to want to compete. They can spend more than that but they have to pay the luxury tax. So rich teams can afford the luxury tax. The issue is the agreement between the MLPA which the players union means that the players do work out. Owners would never enter an agreement where the players in football get the lion's share of the money. So that's why I think salary cap is hard to bring into football because play at a limit. Not the top players. The top players always get top money. Those next level down a limit their ability to earn and that's why they wouldn't have a salary cap in football. Needs something. It does. Needs something because it's going out of control. It's absolutely nonsense and you can't have other leagues that don't have the same problems as us. How can we not be allowed to spend money? Because we're ran by two clubs who don't want anyone else stepping on the table. That's absolutely true. Three exhaustful teams as well. It's nonsense. Anthony Morrison says with the ban given to City for FFP do you expect Mascheri to find alternative ways of getting news from us down into the club that hopefully won't come back and bite us on the behind like it was with City? Well the problem with City is like I said it all comes down to bad paperwork or something didn't it because it all got found by that lad. It also comes down to leaked emails which has got them in trouble first of all. But the lad's in jail. The lad's in jail. This is the lad who found all that went into it. It was a bill. It was a bill. The lad's in jail. The mad thing is and this is what's mad. The lad's now in prison. It's mad how the world works. Isn't it like some people like Snowden in Russia that can never go back to America there's been other people that have a son, a son, Julian Assange whether you like him or not. These people who have leaked stuff that have opened the world up to things like the Panama Papers and all this kind of thing and offshore tax and all this thing and they're the ones who eventually get in trouble for it mad. What I do think is is that like I said before they still give clubs an idea of how to get around FFP it'll make them more savvy. It'll make them... This is why I've always said about who's involved this is why when people go oh will he go on the board? No. Because the less connection he has with Everton Football Club the more money they can take out of his companies it's as simple as that. He can be a... The way the rules are. That's what I'm saying. The unfortunate thing is Mishiri's on the board and nearly every company's works. But he's not on Everton board. Mishiri. Mishiri. Not on Everton's board. He's the principal over there. Doesn't matter. It's not on the board. It's only if they're on the board. Well I don't know but no well it's because Usmanov's got no Usmanov isn't registered at Everton anyway. No but he's tied to Mishiri. Ah but, but. No no no no no no no no no no because Usmanov's not on the board of a lot of these companies. Usmanov's not on the... Usmanov came off the board of a lot of these companies because America and Britain were getting so tight on the Russians that he decided to come off. So he might even be on their board never mind on our board. Listen we used to have a shadow guy at Everton a few years ago who paid for quite a few players and that was kept all quiet and yeah. So it does happen and it will always happen in football. They'll be raising means to get round it.