 Everybody out there tonight. We have Lisa listen here who is ready for her Tell her down below me if you don't know her as Laura to Spain and she's been just awesome this week as a captain She's keeping everybody motivated and been there's first support and it's been wonderful And then next to her is Amy Johnson Crow who is going to be our week that we kick off tonight Everybody's saying hi down there now in case you're new I recognize most of you But in case you're new I'll tell you a little bit about wiki tree It's a community of genealogists who are working together on a single family tree In other words we collaborate to grow an accurate global tree that connects us all and it's free The wiki tree challenges our year-long event and part of our year of accuracy where each week a team of wiki tree Rehears gets together and takes on a genealogy guest starstree and Collaborates to make it more accurate and complete than it is anywhere else our goal is to improve our accuracy Make more family connections and make more friends, which we definitely have this year This week we've worked on the branches of Lisa listen of are you my cousin and here's Laura to tell you what we have found We found that there were several ancestors that included slave information in their probates and one of our team Team members created space pages for them and hopefully this will help descendants find their ancestors Wow, that's wonderful. Yeah, we've had our black heritage project take off on wiki tree And you know, that's one of the things that they're focusing on is helping people to make those connections because of course those ancestors are so hard research You got it Laura. Hey. Yeah And then we had another space page that was used for people with the surname Scott that had resided in a million Virginia And it was kind of a mini one-name study that looked at census records chance Land transfers and other sources and this will be a valuable information This will be a valuable information That should help with future Scott researchers and all these space pages are listed on the space page that we use For listing resources and brick wall ancestors. Yeah, and you'll get a link to that Lisa So, I mean, you know, we were talking a little bit before we went on air about how some of the areas that your family was in Are challenging to research, you know, so We we all had to be a little bit creative on some of them and think outside the box And this was one of our team members that this is how she addressed it She just looked at every possible record that had that surname, you know So she could go through and try and link them and and we've got some really great people that that worked on your team That's a great idea. Oh That's my great-grandmother Yes on Esther Lee Richardson's line Her parents were found To be Rachel Hill pain Your fourth great-grandparents Her marriage record showed that her father was Joseph Hill who married Sarah Weldon And it said that Joseph Mary was born in Pennsylvania and then Later lived in Pennsylvania County, Virginia. It sounds like we're sounds cutting out Yeah, he he married in Pennsylvania raised his family there in 1820 there were 10 people in his home Unfortunately, those senses did not list names So the children still need to be found That's a beautiful picture of the Pennsylvania courthouse. It is it's it's it's a beautiful one definitely That's that's really that's really interesting to hear where that I knew that long that hill on kind of was there But I didn't know really much further back or anything back Well, and you really didn't have people from Pennsylvania in your lines for you know, the ones that we tracked Yeah, no not really and This on your winter for Davis Haley line the Judas Scott Wayne Born in 1795 she died in testate Her children fell out over 88 acres of land that she had owned and the chance story proceedings ran for 139 pages The course sold the land they appointed a receiver to divide the money Which well she died in 1874 and the proceedings continued until 1882. Oh, wow She was one of your fourth great-grandmothers that I'm near the end of the pages that were written in 1880 by W. E. Nichols requesting that he requested that the money belonging to Mrs. Wayne be sent Soon as they will want it before Christmas Well We all have those ancestors don't we? It's unfortunate to see though when the kids, you know, don't get along after the the parents have gone Yeah, I probably have a few of those out there somewhere This chancee records are really cool. I love the chance rate records And William Mayo he was on the same line one in 1684 And he was a famous man who surveyed the dividing line between Virginia and North Carolina There seem to be some dispute about whether it is William Mayo or another Who had also been in Barbados? That line appears to go back through Barbados to the Mayo family in Wiltshire, England But there were no migration records that were able to be found But there are parish records to support the given line Wow, so that gives you a really interesting one to follow up on. Yes. Yes. I had no idea that one went that long The family Yes, yes, I'm Connie maize Howard's line There was a Wonderful family Bible found That her that your your fourth great-grandfather John Shepard had given to his daughter, Elizabeth and it lists His birth in 1798 and it continued on until the latest entry The last entry was in 1899 in his handwriting and then it contained age from 1894 to 1917 in a different feminine handwriting Wow Yeah, that one's great That's amazing because that's that that's that lawn from a illegitimate ancestor. So, yeah, that's I didn't know that was out there That's fabulous Yeah, there's quite a quite a few pages to that actually and I imagine it's Elizabeth that wrote, you know, the second half of the dates Yeah, cool. Yeah and This is on the same line Mm-hmm. Her parents the parents were proven to be Harriet Melinda's Judd Mm-hmm. Her father's will listed her with her married name Her parents are now known to be William Judd and Elizabeth Solomon There are now more than 50 new direct ancestors after Harriet Wow, wow, I knew there were probably a lot out there that name this but those names are so prominent in the area I had never gone after them That's amazing and we are Mary Dalrymple Mm-hmm. I And exciting discovery was made regarding Excuse me. Your fourth-grade grandmother Mary Dalrymple Mm-hmm. Uh, you well, you knew that she was born to Scotland in 1799 and that she married John Shepard But uh, I don't think you knew that James Dalrymple and Rosanna Dowd were her parents No, I didn't have Well, now you have four new direct ancestors after her Wow That's amazing Yeah, I really because I didn't know hardly anything about that lawn because when nobody on the family knew about that much about that lawn um Yeah, and we actually had one of our Ireland Scotland um experts Work on this and she just dove in it and worked on it all week But she said she probably you would still be working on it after the week was done Because she was another one. That's like I can't get this done in a week. It's just not gonna happen I think yeah, that would be a lot. Wow. Well and by my past just released all those new scottish records. Yes Okay On maddy v. Maddox's line andrew let Was witnessed to a neighbor's claim against the united states government according to Lurie barrels of flour 20 barrels of corn 44 barrel gallons excuse me up syrup 15 chickens and 200 pounds of fodder because they were taken from nehemia dickens with no compensation or voucher For the by the u.s. Army The claim was filed as disallowed oh, man and Andrew's father is believed to be james isham let And there are four new ancestors on that line now They were so good. I think that i think that james. Excuse me. Laura. I think I just wanted to interject I think that james isham though is being disproven Um, I think there's a little bit of conflation going on there So there's some good notes on the profile for you on that one, but okay go ahead Yeah, yeah, yeah, because the andrew let has kind of been us. We've kind of all stalled at that one southern lawyerless made a claim a more than May 22,000 Claims for property loss is totaling over 60 million However, only 7,092 claims which was about 32 percent were approved for settlement totaling 4.6 million They they resided in the 12 states in a rebellion at the outset of the us civil war Who suffered losses during the war? They they could apply for compensation through the southern claims commission. There is a space page with claims made By anderson thomas who was very much against the war Yeah, and you know that it was interesting I mean, you know that the armies sometimes, you know union or confederate took took whatever it was that they needed But a lot of times they did give the tokens and so when we first saw the the disallowed claim We were like, okay, but why and andrew let if you haven't seen that paperwork You know was just a neighbor once again But but the guy had like five or six people that went in and testified to how loyal he was, you know And what an upstanding citizen? And then they had a bunch of other people come in and testify about how much stuff was taken And then it still said, you know, it refused they refused the claim But then we found the statistics on that how um, there were just so many of them that never got reimbursed You know compensation Now we have a lot well myth I got I got it. Laura. We have a lot And he applied for a homestead exemption in Surrey, North Carolina In 1869 he received a homestead exemption for a track of land not really big 60 acres Along the waters of the Mitchell River adjoining w. R. Wilmuth, which is most likely his son William Richard Wilmuth and others and He also claims certain personal property and basically what he was doing was homesteading it so that His creditors couldn't come take everything You know if he died and he was trying to set something aside for his kids So I just thought that was touching, you know Because we we looked at a lot of the farmers and stuff that were in that area around that time You know and there was hardship There was a lot of hardship and they were working really hard and they could still barely, you know Take care of their families So just the fact that he thought of this to try and you know nowadays you would think of it but back then To try and make sure he had something to give to his family while he was gone. I thought that was really great That is interesting Okay, and it was determined that lot Wilmuth's second wife Martha Francis Potter Was the direct ancestor and not listen to snow Lots of parents proved to be Ezekiel Wilmuth and Mary Riggs There are now well over a hundred new Ancestors on one of the new ancestors One of the new ancestors was Edward It's really it's Riggs who were an immigrant At one of the original planters at Milford, Connecticut Wow, I didn't know it I didn't know I had anybody back in New England um I mean, I knew the wellness I think it was the wellness who came down from like New Jersey But I had no idea I had any anything else anybody else that are You know, I was just an explosion I mean once it connected, you know, it just it attached to a branch that was already well Well research now I we were a little disappointed though We didn't get to do all the snow ones because it was really fun, you know finding ice snow and frosty snow and They had some family names They really did my favorite was somewhere in there. There's a snow white Okay on Stella Faye hollyfield's line valentine holly Holyfield We say hollyfield He's commonly confused cousin lewis valentine hollyfield Could not have led to they couldn't have led more different lives. They were two different people because while valentine spent his life in surrey county and served as a private in the confederate army From 1862 to 18 from 1861 to 1862 He was captured at the battle of ronok island Lewis became a postmaster in orleans polk county, missouri and served in the union army Before settling down in mcgummery county, kansas Extensive research was done on the two valentines There are notes on the profiles and nice timeline of his life His parents were thought to be valentine hollyfield and sally wotten In the u.s. Civil war valentine served as a confederate soldier in company b of the second north carolina infantry battalion Wow And this the person the main person that was working on this You know, we all work together on different things But the main person working on that that one actually You know kind of played down while the parents are thought to be but he did extensive extensive research And he actually tracked down like every descendant and where oh this one wound up in kansas This one had no kids this one wound up over there Um, and so that's basically the only one left in the area That's who the parents have to be is that valentine that that married that sally so Really incredible research there again and and good notes and whatnot not on the profiles I look forward to that because there are a ton of you think that was an unusual name But there are a lot of valentine hollyfields out there and yes That's my hats off to that person for doing all that. Thank you. Thank you Ready for military laura Yeah Okay There were several of your ancestors found that had served in the military through different wars Uh, the war of 1812 Leonard bane who was born in 1790 Uh in the civil war John bunion talbot Yes, steven c hailey also served in the confederacy during the civil war and he received a pension from the state of virginia William our Wilma's was in the confederate army and was a prisoner of war Your sixth great-grandfather william benet solomon served in the revolutionary war Your sixth great-grandfather joel sim served as a grand juror and provided supplies during the revolution He is a recognized star patriot Your third great-grandfather ellieus ellieus elliot Born 1831. He served in the confederate army in virginia There's actually another one that I listed and I don't have it in front of me and it was um shared canada Yeah, he also served during the confederate war for the confederacy and he was a In the calvary Yeah, and i'm sure you have more, you know what having so many of those ancestors in virginia that are um dar patriots, but you know, we just had marked a few of them That's right That's really fabulous, and then I do have to tell you I felt sad that I couldn't put a slide on here for king I we really wanted to find something on that and I do know that I'm I'm sure the name comes from the king family With a surname king in that area and of course they're prolific there in the records And so I think you know once you get over that hump of that brick wall it's going to explode because I'm sure they're tied in But yeah, he was like you said before he you'd think that name would be unique enough He'd be really easy to to find in the records and and we just we couldn't Yeah He's a tough one as she can imagine she saw Okay, and here we have here's my brick wall charts that I do Um everything this is your nine generations of family everything in yellow Is a slot where you had an available brick wall now It may not be a brick wall to you like you couldn't break it down It may just be you haven't researched that family line But basically it shows the first open spot on every line And then everywhere you see the little dots kind of like you see in the pop out little bees Those are the brick walls. We actually broke down. So you'll get that list also so you can actually follow out which You're gonna have lots of stuff to look at it'll be fun. Yes You can actually follow out which um relatives we we worked on when And then um Anne says she missed adding the lets and the bookers to the list of soldiers That's okay, Anne. That's okay And then um I'm gonna go ahead and show you our top five now. We have two ways of uh giving points for this Nobody does it just for the points, but you know, it's fun to have a little motivation a little competition going And let you know how you're going. So we have um bounty points that you can get which are the big ones That's 10 points each and we have the individual points for adding nuclear relatives. So the kids and children are siblings and those can really add up it just depends on how big the families are and so You know, that's kind of what we watch during the week and See if I can click this over and these uh Frequent flyers to those of you that watch the challenge every week Pretty much. So we have Kathy Ravenstein though made most valuable player and I think that's her first time I don't know if she's in here tonight Donna Donna Bowman. She's in number two Number three is maddie harbman Number four is ann googlick and number five who's been just a recent participant the last couple of weeks is upcoming. Yes Melanie macomb and so hats off hats off to everybody And before I go into how we collaborate on all of this. I do want to say Um, you know, we we had a little bit of a glitch now wiki trees been around since to this wasn't you lisa wiki trees been around since 2008, but somewhere right around the time of 2013 when we had um People uploading jed comms. And of course that process is so much approved And a lush does amazing things to make our software work and you know and help us But there were a lot of really rough jed comms that had issues and got uploaded and we're still cleaning them up You know, we clean them up during our marathons cleaning thongs and whatnot We had different projects that just work on them Just to work on them and our data doctors and whatnot But at any rate something happened with your jed comm and and you know, my bad I was looking at direct ancestors when I was prepping for your tree But I hadn't really gotten out into the branches and looked And so what happened is when we started we found that you had a whole bunch of ancestors named living unknown unknown And and their partner their sibling unknown unknown unknown With green privacy So unfortunately we're trying to clean these up and these poor people that are working on the team They were troopers, you know because they have to come to a team member a paid staff member And say can you unlock this and then they can't do the last name at birth change on their own They have to get somebody to do it for them And then all then they have to figure out by tracking through the unknown unknown Sometimes you'll hit one like Andrew unknown And you track back from him and we were trying to fill in the gaps and figure out who the name was And finally I went to um chris the big the big boss and said we can't do this This is not working nobody's able to really focus on a brick wall. And so um really quickly everybody gave input He took care of it and the unknown unknowns disappeared. It was such a relief So I just want to say that you know I'm always impressed with the team members and what they do each week But I was even more impressed because they hung in there They were trying to track down those unknown unknown family members And then you know once they did um, they just took off with these brick walls. They just really did So it was impressive And then I'll go ahead and talk a little bit about our collaboration Now with as many people as we wind up we wind up with at least 25 Sometimes up to 40 plus people working on a tree during a week, you know And this is on top of doing their real life their jobs You know their projects and whatnot. Um, they do this for fun And so we have to have these ways to collaborate because that is what wiki tree is all about So on the left you see the spreadsheet Now we really highly encourage people to put their profile they're working on And that way somebody else doesn't come in and overwrite it Not realizing you're already working on it and you lose your work On the right hand side, that's the g2g post that goes up every week for each guest And that was out the great grandparents and then people can say hey, I broke a brick wall on this Or I found this interesting information and you know, and so Sometimes you get people that just don't want to talk in the other chat methods And that's their way, you know to put messages on there But usually it's the brick wall one and then our biggest way to collaborate is a discord Now this is our live chat and we can't do it without our live chat. We're a global site, you know So we have people on from net netherland. We have, you know, we have japan. We have america You know americans We have people from all over and so there's always somebody in there talking at some point And you know, sometimes we're just cheering each other on sometimes where, you know, somebody'll say, hey, I need an obituary Or somebody'll step in and go, okay everybody who needs an obituary, you know, they're awesome at looking the newspaper obituaries up They'll come in and find them for the rest of us. Um, you know, we just do a lot of things with that discord And so it's just crucial and of course, you know, we we definitely couldn't have done it this week without it Because they were all pinging mindy. Hey mindy I need a known unknown unknown locked. Well, give me a number I need to know which one of the You know, and and I have to say, um, they're they're gonna play it down and say dozens But there were actually hundreds. There were hundreds of unknowns The system just did a blur verse that i don't know and it just spit all these unknowns It was my ancestors doing it. I we're just gonna put it on Oh It's amazing the amount of work that you guys have done I really appreciate all that work that everybody has put into that and i'm sure I do have some new cousins out there in the audience Yes, oh, I should show you that I hid my bookmark bar Okay We're gonna go to amy johnson's profile I think I know her And if you go up to the top on the right lisa where it says whoever's wiki id You can go out and pick a fifth great grandfather if you want or you can pick a living member And then you just go down that meant that menu until it says relationship to me And this is where we all we're doing this and testing it and of course Oh, i'm not related to you It says it says no relationship. I can click and see if we're related through through marriage and we are 21 degrees But let me see. Let me do lisa's Okay, i'm gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna go up to where it says talbot And i'm gonna say relationship to me And it just spits it out instantly 10th cousins once removed and you can actually follow that line Yeah, to see which line and I was excited because for me it was on my green cob line here Where it worked out to you and I don't have a lot of people related on that line. So that was very cool Well, I look forward to seeing how we're like it's tiny enough. I can't read it from the screen yet But um, yeah, you'll have to you'll have to play with it because it's really a lot of fun. Yeah And then oh Put it back on what I had at all Sorry about that. I got all excited about the relationship I use that one actually every day and you know, if you get out and sometimes you look at these These lines and you look at them so many times, you know what? I mean You're you're like and then somebody goes. Oh, you know Oh, just Mindy go out and look at that so and so mr. Carr and I'm like, oh my gosh, what line is that on? So, you know, I can I can just easily bring that up and do that relationship to me and I'm like, oh Um, you know, and then I change it to your wiki ID and it tells me it's your like seventh great-grandfather or whatever So it's pretty cool. Okay. And now what we have is we have amy johnson crow Who we get to work on next Oh Yeah, they know each other. Yeah So she has a podcast named generations cafe holds a master's degree in library and information science Is a certified genealogist credentialed since 1995 She's worked for ancestry.com and the national genealogical society Is the author to 31 days to better genealogy. Hey, we all need that It Presents genealogy topics at large events such as roots tech And offers a newsletter so her fans can stay up to date on her post and any exclusive content a lot of good stuff there Did I miss anything? No, I think I think that's about it Okay, so I'm gonna ask you a few questions here. Okay, what got what got you interested in genealogy Well, so I and I'm gonna date myself here So I was but a youngster when roots came out You know the the original version of roots not the remake that they had just a few years ago um Of course, you know like everybody, you know just kind of got swept up in it. Well at at the same time My grandma on my my dad's side my my paternal grandmother she was kind of The unofficial family historian she was the woman who Kept the family bible. She had the family photograph. She labeled the family photographs. Okay um, yeah, so she was she was awesome and she and I were were very close And so she would tell me a lot of the stories Okay, so I I kind of had that good sense on dad's side Mom's side complete opposite My mom, um, essentially was an only child her my mom's mom Died in childbirth when my mom was like eight So Yeah, so so my mom lost my maternal grandmother very young So mom didn't have a lot of connection with her family, especially her mom's side of the family um She thought for a long time that her maternal Grandmother's maiden name was baker. No, it was Skinner I mean she it was just, you know, she just had no idea because she didn't have a lot of connection with that so after um After I got married had kids I was cleaning out and I remember this I was cleaning out a closet one day and I found the little memorial card from my maternal Grandfather's funeral, you know the little the little card that they always have there by the book So I was looking at that and I got to thinking how I knew all this stuff from dad's side But knew virtually nothing from mom's side So that night I went to the library Kind of stumbled into the genealogy and local history room and there were two women. They're just doing research and You know, I've never done genealogy before. I mean not like officially doing research You know sort of thing and they showed me around the room and you know They they got me started pointed me to a couple of really good how-to books And the rest was kind of history because once I started researching I was I was in just hook, line and sinker. So That's that's what got me started That's great. Good stuff Now who is your favorite ancestor if you had to pick one? If I had to pick a favorite ancestor and I'm I'm going but by one that I could never have met all right Um, would have to be my I think she's my second great-grandmother and have to look Matilda the bolt skinner crossing brown McKellen Yeah, and if you had asked me the brick wall question About oh two three months ago. I would have said her But it was funny because I I know Matilda's parents But for more than 20 years, I had been looking for what happened to Matilda. I could not find a death for her And of course the problem with Matilda the bolt skinner crossing brown McKellen, and there's possibly another marriage in there Like what name was she using when she died? You know that that made it fun, but I just found her earlier this spring, which was pretty awesome So she's not my brick wall anymore, but she's still my favorite. Well, congratulations on that find. Yeah How about interesting stories you found out about your family along the way? well I mean besides the often married Matilda And what's what's interesting about Matilda? I have her first husband Dying and he shows up in the 1850 mortality schedule. Yes. Gotta got a death record for him um None of her other husbands. I haven't been able to kill any of them off. So it's like what happened to them Yeah, so is it waltzy matilda or is she the merry widow? I don't know um My my other I I uncovered a story and it turned out to be true my and I I'm blanking on what relationship on my mom's side um In early Ohio and this actually would have been when you know pre ohiox's was 1780s um, you had a lot of skirmishes between settlers in western pennsylvania and native americans and Some some settlers in western pennsylvania decided that they were going to do a raid against the shawnee in northern ohio And one of my ancestors was one of the co-leaders of that That expedition that is called the crawford campaign And it did not go well for anybody in Crawford's command including my ancestor. He was pulled from his horse um Somebody who was taken to one of the shawnee camps He's pretty sure they identified his body But yeah, he he never returned. So that's That's probably the most extreme ancestor that I have And sometimes for mr. McClellan Yeah, sometimes it's sad but true that you know the more tragedy somebody has the easier they are to track because Yeah, you have those additional documents. I mean for somebody that leads a good quiet life and nothing happens to them exactly Exactly we we want those At least occasionally to have I don't want to say I never do well, but yeah They do leave more paper. They do leave a little bit of a scoundrel. Yeah, just a little bit of a scoundrel Exactly. When did you first discover wiki tree? Oh my gosh, um Several years ago. I honestly don't remember when and I honestly don't remember how um I don't know if I saw you at a conference or maybe but yeah, it's been it's been a long time Honestly, I haven't done a I I uploaded my tree and And I think lisa would also attest to this sometimes when You you're into genealogy is a profession your own tree kind of it's kind of like the cobblers children having no shoes Definitely. Yeah, so yeah So I I got at least part of my tree uploaded to wiki tree and didn't do a ton with it So kind of curious now to see and I'm not looking right now But to see how what I've looked what I've uploaded before how it might have fit in with What anybody else had Yeah, and and definitely anybody that has spends any serious amount of time on genealogy You just never get to your own branches. Yeah, I mean you just you never do Yeah, you know That's one of the reasons that we can be so successful and you know finding things for people at our genealogists Because that's what we do for the week. Exactly. You know, I mean We sit and do just that and focus on it. So it's a lot of fun. It's it's a lot of fun It's a great gift to be able to give Now watching the fun stuff we found on lisa. What are you hoping to see participating in our challenge? Oh my gosh, just about anything. I mean, you know, if you could find a family bible, then be awesome. I would Lisa kind of said the gold standard on that. Yeah, let's uncover a family bible um The the ancestor that i'm probably the most curious about right now um And honestly, it's been a while since I've looked at this line. So there's probably a lot of resources available now compared to What I had access last time I actually worked on this line, but is mary belt steel um She was the wife of james steel born in Maryland or the district of columbia. So she's she's in that area The steel family moved from washington dc To washington county, ohio And just before the just as the civil war starting to heat up, you know, washington dc Not the greatest place to be when when the civil war is breaking us I'm pretty sure that that's why they moved because then later they moved After the war they moved back to virginia I haven't really been able to identify really either of her parents um But yeah, so so mary belt is probably my my biggest brick wall right now But i'm happy to find anything Now you have ancestors from canada england france germany ireland scotland and the us So which area do you find most challenging to research? Oh, I mean I my my french line is so I haven't even I don't even know. Um I've always been intrigued with my scottish line And I do have I do have my youngs back to their little tiny place in scotland. So I I do feel Yeah, I was I was very lucky with that. Um The most challenging out of those countries actually is canada Because of well because of when my ancestor came out of canada he john johnson Right, you know, let's and I told dad for a long time that i'm sorry john johnson that line doesn't go any further back but john johnson according to His census and according to his naturalization papers He was born in what was then called upper canada Which is basically ontario So I can't tie in to those wonderful french canadian records he's in ontario and He's already in ohio by Like 27 So he's already leaving canada and is in the united states by the 1820 so that time period in ontario canada I've been told that's the genealogical black hole of canada so That's by far and I don't even know where to start looking Yeah, that's one of the nice things that we do have um, you know, we're a little spoiled too is Most people when you work on your genealogy, you know You have your record set and you have your skill set and you have your resources And we can go out there and go okay. I've got somebody from germany help german expert I need a translation. I found his baptism, but I don't know what it says except for the date so You know and And we'll all pitch in and somebody says hey, I can't find anything on this guy And you know like a half a dozen people stop and go. What are you looking for? Oh, have you tried this resource here that I have and somebody else is like Oh and this resource that I have for this and you know, it's just it's fun And we all learn a lot, you know, and you learn to bookmark things as we're adding You're like, you know, I might use that for my own ancestors next time Exactly. Yeah, and and we get a lot of help on the different areas. So It is fun. Oh, yeah And there's yeah There's one of our experts now. Yeah, exactly. She says black hole. That's what it is. Yeah Yeah, why couldn't he have come out of Quebec that would have you know Tie into those french-canadian records that would have been great, but no he had to be out of Ontario Hey, Thomas Yeah, I don't know what we do with some of these if we don't have the experts now I do admit we've had a few ancestors from previous guests where we've had like Russia You know, and then we're just kind of lost. I mean, there's you know, some that they can do but but it's pretty hard But for the most part, you know, we've got a really good good blend of experts Okay, so do we have any questions out there from the audience? I know they've been chomping at the bit We always have the split of people that are like, I'm not done. I gotta finish working on, you know I gotta finish working on Lisa's profile. But for this ancestor I'm not ready. And then the other ones are like, oh, I'm already scoping out Amy's tree. Wait, it's This is right. Yeah, I I see Lynette who she says that I'm connected to Amy through my Kelly line But not her Kelly line. So now I'm really oh now I'm not I'm curious how how she's connected That's great. Interesting. Who knows Amy? We may be related as well. Hey, I never know We're all connected somehow. Yeah Yeah, you got you got to play with that relationship to me and we do we we have all these cold toys, you know in different ways to make trees and different ways to display it or look at relationships or look at how we're related to famous people And you know, there's just a lot of fun Oh, Ben's asking again. Did Lisa know about the family bible? I know I did not know about that one. Um, but that is a north Carolina line And I haven't looked at the the source on that likely I'm gonna guess it was from the north Carolina bible the archives They do they have a bible family bible Project that's been going on and so you can find Quite a few that have been digitized there. So I'm gonna guess that's where it was but um I didn't know about that one, but I've seen other ones and um And it has a lot of information, you know, I mean you figure technically it's a hundred and what a hundred and one years Yeah, that one had a lot. So I'd love to find that with my family Yeah, well the interesting thing is because they in north carolina people, you know, if you They encourage people if you have a if you have a family bible that pertains to north carolina North carolina they will scan it. I mean they don't keep it. They'll you bring it in they scan it home with you and it's a great way to preserve things as well as I always just check on that on a rotating basis because I have a copy of a different family bible And when I got one of my ancestors Proven as a dar In the dar profile People kept coming to me. How did you find out? And I said, well, it's in the family. I have the family bible What do you mean of the family bible? There's a copy of it online at the archive Yeah, dr keeps a dr keeps a lot of those that you can access in their library if you actually I love their library It's beautiful if you can actually get to the library and do that um Yeah, people say, you know, like what would you say to this ancestor or who would you talk to if you could go back in time And I'm like, oh no, I got a list honey I want this one and this one and this one and I'm gonna say write it all down I want to know the names of those 12 kids What the birthdays are wrap it up really good put it in a tin under the oak tree That's what I would go back until my ancestors because they weren't really good on doing family bibles So some of my lines are really really difficult to um do Ann was pointing out we did have some major pruning to do on a few lines And that's one of our probably least favorite things to do and unfortunately one of them um was very recent Before you know right at the end But if you just prove something you just prove something and so I'll get all of that to you too lisa But yeah where we had to take somebody up and the name's the same it's just that You know, it turns out there were two men that were named the same name And this one's in you know, this county this one's in that county at any rate It happens. Yeah, and when we do that we always get Yeah, is it is it that Langley Talbot one that somebody just posted in the That because we actually do know where that line goes and he did he did float around He shows up in two census records in two different counties on the same year Yeah, I don't know if it was that one or not Yeah, there's a conflation page on the Langley Talbot. Oh, yeah Well, if it helps he I have a document on him. He was legally declared insane. So He was unusual One of that one of the color ones. You see they they left a paper trail Yeah, yeah, he left the paper trial. He's actually Yeah, we actually that one actually We do have a fairly solid record on him through chance rate records and things like that for him So, yeah, I'll be I'll be interested to see what they say and I might be able to fill it out more for help out too Now is this one for you Amy? Yes. Yeah, the starkey line. Yeah So the starkeys come out of new jersey And end up in perry county, Ohio So there there's been there's been a fair amount of work done by others on the starkeys I haven't looked very closely to really Verify a lot of it Um And do I have family photos which can be shared not a ton? I really don't I don't have a ton of A family photos Unfortunately, yeah, we like to ask because we like to bring up the profiles if we can, you know, yeah, make them really complete Ben says all the usual questions. Do you have DNA? Can we share photo? Yeah Yeah, I'm talking about the chance rate records if you've never been up to the Eisenhower Presidential Library in Ohio Oh my gosh, I love their chance rate books. They're just amazing and they're huge I never realized how big they were I had gotten stuff through the mail from them And there was some really in-depth research I needed to do So I took a trip up there and those chance rate books are like several feet tall And they're bound in red and you open them up and they've handwritten everything out and then You know, you tell the people what you want and they'll get you the file that goes with it And it's like every scrap of paper from that family Things they bought, you know receipts that says However many pints for a thing of shoes or I traded some apples or whatever They have amazing records there Let's see. What else do we have this evening? I see Benjamin asked any connection to Richard Starkey. If you mean Ringo, not that I know of Yeah Thought that's what you meant. Yeah, I I haven't found a connection. But hey, you know, you never know never know Are you researching in virginia, billy? Well, I think we're gonna wrap this up then if Everybody's done and hopefully lisa. We've given you a time to look at later and some good surprises Oh, I can't wait. I might be up a little late tonight. Thank you so much And yes, billy you have to check those um virginia chancellory records. They just put a new county up this I'm up too. So they're so good. They're awesome I love those records Okay, well, I'm gonna thank all I want to thank all the participants that helped work on the Lisa's tree this week. Yeah, once again, you guys were amazing You always amaze me hats off to you thank our guests Lisa for letting us play in your branches Amy for being brave and letting us play with yours this next week and research For everybody that's watching. Thank you so much for watching and supporting us You can check us out at wikitree.com for more information And subscribe to receive alerts and we'll say good night. Good night