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Man, I got a guy here today, y'all in the production, the guy's a hip hop head, you know what I'm saying He's snuck in the game I don't know how the hell he's snuck in with all white on him, he's snuck in the game man, DJ Bird wants in the building Hey, yeah we on boss time I love y'all Man, when you say I'm on boss time Yeah, we on boss time I love the gear though, you looking like you a doctor or a doctor Shook me, I'm like this a damn doctor I don't know I'm like he works in the lab The music lab I thought about the Dr. Dre and Eminem video I remember When he was building videos You know that Exactly, in the lab And that's kind of what it's inspired by Really? Well really it's inspired by Abbey Road So the studio that the Beatles used to record at In London The engineers used to wear lab coats In the lab, in the studio We're conducting experiments So now I'm just like embodying it And it puts me in a different mindset When I walk in the studio too Cause now I'm not worried about being perfect Now I realize if you look at any inventor They failed more than they succeeded But we're stuck in this thing Where we always have to succeed when we walk in So it puts me in a mind of I could just try anything I'm just here to experiment These are experiments and then whatever we come out with It puts you at ease because you won't have so much pressure Cause that's a lot of pressure to come into this To succeed, you know what I mean? Right, and it's like Artists want you to kind of shepherd them to success So it's like, you step in and it's like Make me successful and it's like Alright, you gotta meet me here You gotta meet me here, we gotta come But yeah, you're right, like Olivia is part of that Off me, yeah So tell me about DJ Burn One Before you were DJ Burn One Growing up as a kid Were you originally from Atlanta? Little small city at the very bottom of Atlanta And it's really like a little country town Just attached to the bottom of Atlanta Really? Cause if you went to it You'd feel like it's kind of changed over the years But back when I grew up it was like a very small Like a little country town at the bottom of the city And it was right off of Cleveland Avenue So I'm like right in the middle of everything And so yeah, so I played baseball and just normal kid stuff And then one day I remember I was like maybe eight And I went to my mom's car And in between games, I was like can I go relax In the car and she said yeah And then I remember I saw on the ground the tape Of Kilo Ali's Get This Party Started It had Nasty Dancer and all this stuff on there Yeah, I'm like eight, you know what I'm saying So like I pop it into my mind and it's just blown I'm like yo, what am I hearing You know, before even Nasty Dancer He was talking about like racism He had another song at the top of it That was talking about racism and all this stuff And it's like it opened me up to so much And she never played it when you were around Somebody had dropped it out of their car And it was just sitting beside our car So it was like right in the middle on the ground And so I picked it up and put it into our car So somebody lost their Kilo tape So what did you mom say when she came back And heard you listening to it You know, I think I hit it for a long time You know when you're young You're like oh I ain't supposed to be hearing this I know this ain't right And I found like a red fox comedy And I was like oh I'm not supposed to be playing these around My parents Way down in the jungle deep You know, and I was like damn He cursed a lot So you knew you weren't supposed to play around Your parents you know But that's what got me into hip hop And hearing all this stuff around when I was growing up I was like what is this And it always seemed like a different way to get information I was representing more than just music to me I see people getting into it now And I wonder is it because it's so easy That people want to do it Or is it something that's just like Who they are and how they speak And just everything about them To me hip hop is like a lifestyle It's deeper than just sounds I always believe that Growing up I used to always feel like you have to have it In you like genetically To come up and do it Because I always feel like if You can't sing whenever you're young You just can't sing but as I got older I realized that really everybody can sing Is just that you have to take the time to practice And to train your voice to sing Because everybody have different sounds You just have to perfect the sound that you have To make it sound really good Absolutely, yeah it's time invested It's time invested and then finding certain things To be curious about I think once you figure out how to unlock creativity In one way whether it be shooting videos Or doing anything creatively making clothes Or anything you can translate that You're like oh you have like a framework for work Now you're like okay find a thing to do Get obsessed with it Learn about it try it fail try it fail Now I got a thing and I can do it I can do that with anything You really realize it's just time invested at that point And you were raised with your mom and dad How about brothers and sisters Yeah I had a brother and a sister Had a brother? No I have But in the community that you were raised Was that a norm to have All your friends did they have their parents together In the same household or Not all of them Like I said I live in this very Like almost secluded part of South Atlanta And I think it was like half and half Almost like in my way and luckily I was around team sports And so I think that kept me more around Other families that were together I think Some of my team sports is usually It's like the parents are together a lot of time You know what I'm saying in that case And so I think I was around A lot of other parents like that But we still spent all our summer just at the Wreck Camp You know we weren't able to just hang out in the street And my parents like now you're going to the Wreck Camp So we just listen to music and play video games And stuff there And that community was it mainly predominantly White, black, Hispanic Black and Hispanic He stood out like a sort of So now I fit in I didn't stand out and so I went to The south side I went to high school What happened with that Everybody was like who's this white kid I'm Mexican first off and this is where People talk like where I'm from And then somebody said I talk different And I was like what are you talking about And then I was like I do talk kind of square You know what I'm saying Maybe I do talk a little different But I didn't realize I was different until then And then it was so funny just as quick as they started hating on me I had T.I. host my first tape when I was in high school And those same people immediately jumped on my dick It went from we hate you to be like You know T.I. this was right when trap music came out Right when trap music came out So he hosted my first tape How did that happen though There was a group called Ecstasy And it was two girls And they went to the school They were like the great above me And so I think they had graduated and I was a senior And I'd asked them one day I was like hey I just saw them around I was like hey do y'all think Y'all and T.I. can host my tape And this was like a month or two Two months before trap music And they were like yeah sure So he left me some voicemail Like big country Mack Boney they did And T.I. left me drops all on my phone I was like 17, 16, 17 And the drops I was like what Yeah I was on your cell phone I had like a little Nokia You know what I'm saying So they know there's much technology in your hand You're just listening to it You're like what like let me hold it to the second Record it real quick you know But nah that's really what put me in the game And then they allowed me to just start coming around T.I. studio And so from putting out mixtapes in high school To just hanging around there and like learning Really that's where I cut my teeth and like Learned what a track out was And just blending them doing like mashups I didn't know a beat could be broken down Into just a kick or just a snare Just the bass line I thought it was just one thing And I got in the studio a big country I was like what's that he's like that's the stems It's like where the stems he's like that red one's a snare Blue one's a kick and I was like I don't even know what those are You know and I'd been so uh What a hell is big country in there Man I think I saw him on Instagram the other day But I ain't seen him in a minute I bumped into Mack Boney like a couple months ago But yeah I ain't seen a country in a minute They just chilling like this was a big move Down here man That first album You know the one tip did The first one it was kind of like I'm serious Oh yeah yeah That first one then it came a little harder You know what I'm saying People don't realize how this game was Like it was a different people When at first it meant something To get in the game back then Especially to be on a major label Correct it meant something It was a different time bro I think I know Flip motivated him You know Everything did Everything did Honestly I think the thing that people don't realize That probably motivated to the most Was him getting out of his deal To even do track you Like that time in between I'm serious He pretty much essentially Was going to get dropped To get out of the deal and kept it moving You know I think that was like the real motivation Because I think a lot of times I'll see People they'll lose their deal and then They're gone and it's like man the label That's that he wasn't taking that You know I think that's what artists today should really learn from He wasn't taking that he wasn't sitting down It's like y'all are interested cool Let me go find somebody who is Don't take no for an answer Yeah exactly because even I'm serious We kind of feel like it was kind of uh Because a lot of the songs weren't made for us I still ain't forgave myself We're like man that's the tip I want And that's what he brought to me He's like this is what y'all want Y'all didn't want that But when did you start really taking it serious Because before Or how did you get into it before that Because I know that you said at 17 Tip did that for you but before that You didn't really say you jumped In between signing the tape To him doing that So how did you get into the music When you think about DJ burn one I'm thinking about you DJing But then now you're producing So how did y'all So the evolution started just for me being a fan When I was a kid I found that tape and just became Like just became in love with hip hop music And then when I was like maybe 13, 14, 15 I got on the internet And started doing mix tapes Started releasing mix tapes and I got a job At a CD store called Super Sound A Model Pop CD store And that was where I started learning about the game When somebody came in and said it was hot you had to have a reason You know it's like I think a lot of people When they're making music they don't get that Like why are you making music People come in and say this and they say why So it just made me think about music on a deeper level As opposed to just so when I started making music I wanted to come with like something other than The regular or just something I realized I had to have a reason for people to listen to me Anyway so I started Just putting on mix tapes in my high school And so see I hosted that first one After I think I dropped like maybe two real ones And then he hosted it And then from there on I started doing more tapes I did Gucci Man Were you taking it serious at that time? Oh I would get off every day after school and drive around 285 And drop CDs off on consignment Talk to the CD store owners figure out how I could make my product better This was my whole like 11th and 12th grade What did your parents think about it? Apparently they didn't know Apparently I didn't know this until I sent my mom one of my interviews the other day And she was like I didn't know you were driving around I thought you just went to Greenbrier one time They were so mad when to Greenbrier because we had a location And that's where Tia's trap music In store was in Greenbrier And they got so mad because I went there I was like I used to go there like all the time But they didn't know that you know Because I would get off and all these stores were like in the hood So you go to like Canada Road You go to Greenbrier, you go to the old national flea market All these places but I'm doing music I'm not there for the extra shit And my dad's already put me on game about just You know being aware while you're out And just I'm never a disrespectful person anyways A lot of stuff people bring on themselves You know a lot of shit just happens and a lot of stuff People just like you need to know when you move How to move is I don't know Maybe it was just innate to me and where I grew up I want to ask about Dro though before we move into Gucci Yeah absolutely and so Dro was like I think those two were like my first real big like Tapes that made it outside of Georgia How old were you? Maybe 18 Maybe 18 because I found Dro just from being up at Tia's studio after that And Dro would come through and I was like this guy's funny I thought he was a cartoon character I was like this dude is so funny and He didn't really have any music And I was like let's do a mixtape He's like what's that? You know same thing with Gucci when I told him let's do a mixtape He's like what's that? Alright man these guys in New York are doing these tapes You know it's like in the south we have blend tapes So we had like Jelly and Oomkamp And Edward J doing blends of instrumentals Over acapellas which is what I grew up on But in New York they were doing like dipset tapes Of like artist projects And so that's what I was trying to bring down here I'm like let's do an artist project And so Dro didn't even have music They were further advanced than we were Or They had just been doing mixtapes for so long I think the mixtape kind of advanced And evolved to where they were like We can have as artists our own tapes And put out this is what I pitched to Gucci I was like you can put out your own tape And basically release it like an album on your own And not have to deal with the label And go straight to the fans Those people up there 50 cent That was really why Gucci almost 50 cent I'm like 50 cents out getting show money And he's not dealing with the label That's what I wanted to do Because when I first played it for him I met him right before he put out So Icy And he played me So Icy And I was like let's do a mixtape And he was like I don't know what that is But I'm focused on my album Which I appreciate A lot of people give you the run around But he was like Gucci was so random because on the radio Back then there wasn't All these type of social media Now you could just reach out to somebody Back then everybody was so scattered around You had to know somebody to know somebody to know somebody Right and then you just listen to the radio That was like your main source And so you listen to the radio and I heard It was a remix called Black Tea It was like the response to Black Tea When it was Gucci and like 17 other people It was a whole never again record So I looked up in the phone book Back you used to get a phone book People don't even know that Opened up the phone book, never again records Called it, Gucci answers the phone Out of all the 17 people Him being the hustler, he answered the phone He's like yeah come up here He immediately took me from that studio to Zay Tovan's house To his basement He didn't mess with me again for 2 more seconds He's like we're going over to Zay My producer's house and so I go over there I never heard of Zay and he plays me So Icy And I was like wow Lil Will is my favorite singer From the Denver family looking for Niki and all that stuff And he auto tuned him I was like you auto tuned Lil Will And this is before auto tuned was even like a trend This was like maybe right around T-Pain Started doing it And so to hear Lil Will auto tuned on that I was like this is terrible That was just my thought But I was like I liked him and I thought he was funny again Just like drove and so I was like let's do a tape So he wasn't interested and he didn't hit me up until like a year later Until after Icy blow up Kind of like ran his course and he was kind of in the Kind of like in the public light in Atlanta Kind of looking at like people were looking at him like a one hit wonder almost Like he came, he had a hit But we don't really know what else he got He put out a couple other songs that didn't do good How was they told me though like when you went to the house Always cool He was developing his sound Same guy He's never changed and he's always just kind of like Been evolving that sound that he's been working on Because like even the beats from that first year A lot of stuff after that sounded pretty much like that Just like he figured out what it was, you know But he's always been super cool Everybody I meet to know him always I always try to get him to He'll hit me back in the DM but he don't like You know, I guess He don't be doing interviews He do it with country Wayne Which we got money blessed Certain what people he doing it with I'm just trying to figure out how I'm going to get him He ain't going to be going long He'll be going long But he definitely wanted That's the real deal and he's spiritual So I like the connection I know how that sounds go, you know with him So I just that's why I asked you like How was it being told when you went over there He had to be a laid back dude at that time He was playing in the church then You know what I'm saying Even when Tom's got super tense You know what we're working on chicken talk There were some times that got tense with other people Not with him and he was just like very cool And diffused it, you know like That's what God will do Yeah like he wasn't getting all up in the wrong He's like y'all can go Y'all can all go Yeah right that's all he's there for Man and you the same way That's the good part of having people That are balanced out of the situation Lives are being saved In the midst of that you don't even realize It's just how people be like Certain young people come on that show You got to tell them something Y'all never tell you this In the comments I see them say this To be in a presence of one that's been married For 20 years don't drink don't smoke Says a lot and could be helping To save people from going In a situation just because of the presence Oh yeah Am I right? Presence is so important and I think people It happens so seamlessly That you don't even realize it's happening Yeah am I right? No 1000% No you are man I've diffused many situations Just by the presence and the presence of mind as well That's it You know my dad you always tell me if you feel like some shit's gonna go down Get the fuck out of there You know so I feel like that Anytime I feel like I just go you know what I'm saying I just go I move on Next day you hear about it man Two guns when I put a bomb I was at the house I felt like something was about to happen So I got back 30 minutes before all that Good What is the biggest album you have Worked on I've worked on a lot of stuff I produced two records on ASAP Rocky's first album That was real dope That's real big What was that the biggest one You know honestly it's like Big is a relative word Because you know it's like I've been doing a lot of stuff with the recording academy I just did a party with them There's summer event a couple weeks ago But I didn't really care about Grammys before You know because People would always tell me when I ever talked about Grammys They're like you did chicken talk Do you know how much that meant to the streets To everything you know what I'm saying Like the Grammy Whatever would have won a Grammy for the album that year Can't match up to the impact that I had So I feel like probably chicken talk Would have to be the most impactful And to be able to say I gave him the blueprint On how to do mixtapes He went on to become the mixtape god Him and Lil Wayne That's a whole other level That dude bad bro How's his work ethic Everybody brags about the fact that this dude Never left the studio Is this a true statement? There's so many times where We have left the strip club at 4 3-4 in the morning and then go back to the studio And he just wraps for 3-4 hours 3-4 hours and then Well he does eventually sleep But the timing is way off Yeah the timing is way off Like he would wrap in And not just like he's writing a wrap And then going down He's freestyling off the top of his head But not like people do now There's so many people now that I don't write Yeah but you punch a million times Don't say that when I gotta You hate that don't you No I hate it Cause to me I once was with the artist I was a consultant And they bought a verse from Bunby He flew in to Birmingham Cause the Birmingham flight was cheaper Flew in to Birmingham, came in Wrote his verse, picked up his money in 10 minutes Lated in 10 minutes And then left and was back in the Birmingham airport And I'm like these people done punched Bunby could have flew in to Birmingham That's why I said got to Atlanta Drove in to Birmingham, be back to Tennessee By your time you're sitting here trying to punch And get your thoughts together You know it's like Jay-Z was formulating his ideas For he went in the booth Exactly When I don't write it wasn't really not writing He's just kind of like writing it in his head Before he goes in there So I think people got lost when they got in the booth And they're like well Jay-Z don't write No no no let me get that again You know it's like nah that's not exactly how it works I watch Bunby be very efficient And then I watch these other people just like Nah be efficient at all And I'm trying to tell them why don't you just take 10 minutes and write No it's a vibe It's not a vibe It's not a vibe if we're just Start of everything as opposed to just feeling how fluid it was When he came in and wrote his verse later We got the whole rest of the session to work As opposed to you trying to figure out You're a bar Bunby is a different whole beast You don't understand what you keep saying You keep putting these boys In a man's place Bunby is, he's from Texas man First of all let me just shout that out Right here Bunby is a Different type of animal because Bunby started this In a Port author somewhere And he was just Blessed to be lyrically inclined And he takes so much He had to deal with PMC Which is my favorite all time So he had to come with it Because Pimp was doing his part Of course his basically Beat making and singing and all And then you got Bun Bun like I gotta lace this when I come through This guy hadn't had a deal With the level of work Man I'ma punch this in I heard J.C.F.J It's not the same It's not the same But I feel like we should use the bar To be like this is what we can aspire to be Like Tupac never punched Not saying nobody should ever punch But I want to start recording because I heard that I didn't let nobody punch It took me a couple of people crying in the booth For me to be like They're not Tupac But I feel like we should have that bar Because as a producer I always want to come Organize noise level I want to come Pimp C level If I don't hit it that's cool But that's my aspiration I feel like we should have a goal Or something higher to hit Like a target almost Even if it's not like we're holding ourselves Necessarily to the Bun B rap standard Let's just make use of our time effectively But if you're new into this We've been doing it a while Like Bun B and all of them that you're talking about Man, I guarantee you when they started They didn't start like that Well, I'm just telling people They'll spend way less money on studio time If you write your bars before you get there And then when you get there You can figure out your flow And that could be the You're figuring out your performance aspect of it More so than the bars And then you're having more fun Who impressed you when you got off into the lab Anybody that took out DJ Paul Who was it that you when you seen him You was like, man It made you feel like this serious Man, on the rapper level I'd probably say Dro and Gucci Kind of together And Dro was dope because he had a milk crate full of bars Like just note pads And so I'd pull up a beat And he would just flip through the note pads And it would be perfect Like 36 bars of just heat So if you listen to our first tape It's like just bars Just bars He already had them I guess he would just be writing in his own time No, he was writing Yeah, he had note pads But what he's saying is that The fact that he had something that was so perfect All he had to do is listen to it And he's like, okay, I have one for that He was cycling at those different verses That's dope He would rap the first couple bars And that was dope And the first producer DJ Toneph I feel like he really is the South Dr. Dre I've heard that often Yeah, he's just like such a technician And like You could tell he's perfected the things that he's done for so long He's been producing for what, 35? Probably more years But he's just such a technician The way he's able to get his sounds out The way he approaches it Sometimes he'll just play the first two chords I remember I used to watch him and be like, what is he doing? And then there'll be nothing on the back half of the beat And then later on he'll come back I was like, how did you even think To leave that space to do something But his brain is just like Yeah, it's amazing So you're like, okay, this is why you're like one of the architects Of a whole new sound Like the architect of the track Him and T.I. were cold, girl Yeah, damn Bad boys right there, man They were really dope Like I said, you did your thing You were part of our history, man You are our culture, we love you You know what I'm saying? That's the whole cold part About it, once we got you We got you, you can't go over there Now you did have Yellow Wolf, you did I met Yellow Wolf, you see him on the wall We met at my store How was it working with him? Yellow Wolf was dope, we actually We did his first tape that blew up Trump music, and that was real cool Cause then we went toward Wiz Khalifa And then Wiz just came out And so Wiz was kind of like Fairly unknown at the time I remember we went on tour with him He's packing out at least a thousand people venues We're like, how do all these people know him? Like we didn't really heard of Wiz down in the south And it was just like his charisma He was building like this fan base Behind him It was almost like Kind of like how Odd Future did Like Tyler, they kind of like reach out to a certain group of people And it's like those people gravitate to him And it's like Wiz and Currency Kind of got all the stoners All the smokers And anyways, Cushion Orange just came out while we were on tour And so that was really cool seeing him perform Songs off Cushion Orange just been like, oh this is dope And it's like now we look back like, oh what a classic It's like at the time, you know I'm just like these songs are better than the last couple songs he's been performing You know, I'm like these are dope And then it's like he just blows up So it's real cool How do you feel about the drill music and stuff that's happening right now? Cause it's a different world now baby It's a different world, bro Yeah, it was cool to trap and Yeah, I rob in my white tears Sounded real cool to me But now because it's drilling I'll do this and they jumping at the screen With whatever And it's tough cause you got people like the DA and Atlanta Fannie She's using the rap lyrics They ain't trying to hear it, they using Anything you say, but can and will Do you advise anybody Like when you hear people come into the booth And they're saying some things and you're looking like They gonna use it again, so you already know Like, do you advise them like Man, you sure you want to put that in there? I always try to sell people to think about it twice I always do, there was songs we didn't put on Chicken Talk cause he was talking about people And he just cause he was actually freestyle And he didn't know he was gonna talk about these people So he came out, he's like man I didn't even know I was gonna say that I'm like, never releasing it I'm knowing I'm not gonna release it We're not even gonna debate about it But a lot of people, yeah it's like Yeah it's tough, it's like you don't want to give them Evidence for your stuff Some people be like, I don't care, put it out Yeah, and it's like A lot of people are like You know, it's just art But if they can tie it back to a specific crime You know, it's tough But it's just like when social media first got out People always would say, you know the feds Watching social media, right? I mean before all this Recode stuff and any of that When first money came out it was like If you're even going to go apply for a job What you think a lot of these bosses do They look at your resume but they look for your social media They look for your Facebook page Cause I know people who did not get hired Just because of things that they do on Facebook Or on Instagram They didn't give them their handle But they went and found it So I always said be careful what you put on social media Because it's not only affecting you It affects, I mean Your job, people lose their job over stuff That they put on social media all the time Yeah, you gotta be careful out here You have to be careful I just think that Music is something that It helps a lot of people Whether we want to admit it and I heard a lot of people But it helps a lot of people It's very much therapeutic and it can be negative Or positive And so What do you want to land in it? Nowadays man, I'm trying to get back to R&B But y'all won't let me Yeah, I'm an R&B guy Cause R&B didn't hurt nobody Yeah, but it did How did R&B hurt somebody? Man, you put in some of that Rick Jane goes down snort cocaine all night You know what I'm saying? This is what people are doing during the time I don't call him R&B What you call him then? Fuck The thing that almost bothers me more Than people that are really in Is the people who aren't really Of that but making music in that lane You know what I'm saying? I have a class at the University of Illinois Called Music Modestation 499 Yeah, and one of the kids From the class, a couple of the kids Kind of like we're doing this music review I was like let me help get the kids We did a boot camp over the summer I was like let me get the kids music ready to release And a couple of them had slide records And they're in college in Illinois Stuff goes down everywhere One of my co-hosts asked him Why are you doing slide music? He was like, or he asked him What he said Last November He was like I had an issue with my roommate I'm like son I'm out And it's nothing about the kid He'll probably watch it, I'm not talking about you You know what I'm saying? But it's how ridiculous that is To y'all, but to them To him, that wasn't ridiculous for him to make He'd take him the way it is I had an issue with my roommate Slipped him off and I did it It doesn't sound cool And he literally when he asked him To release that song he genuinely couldn't Even come up with the reason of why I could tell him just searching for like a why And then somebody else did the same thing and I'm like I wouldn't be making this crazy kind of music Because I don't think people understand the energy That comes back on you When you put that energy out there Now you kind of made yourself a target in a way To where if you're like Jack Harlow Not rapping about any of that stuff Jack's not really a target specifically Because he's not rapping about him the hardest I'm not doing that First class I've heard a lot of old school rappers Talk about how some of these new rappers are getting Died and stuff like that Didn't rap about the stuff they were doing Almost as a way of escaping Or specifically They didn't want to do that But I see some of these young rappers Who came from great households Never been in that situation Purpose they go out to be in certain situations So they have something to rap about So that they can be authentic Because they don't want to rap about something That they're not involved in Why are you going to go out here to look for trouble Just to produce content? I didn't really notice it until I watched the Kanye documentary the other day I watched the first half of it And he really did almost kind of make it way cooler To just not rap about being the hardest I didn't realize how As much as things changed It kind of came back a little bit The hardships kind of back in vogue He came out, that's all it was The biggest, hardest, whatever I could rap about fashion Or I could rap about other stuff He almost made it cool to just rap about your feelings And so I thought that was dope And now it's kind of like came back around But I don't let people know You still just rap about whatever You don't have to rap about what you feel like People have been doing that successful I think that's what a lot of people who are agreeing get into They want to make music, beats, songs Like what's working so they can get into it My biggest deal is You know, my guy When they first came That's what they would say My pinky ring Be true, you cut my eyes You know, I'm talking about Birdman When they came They were just talking about what they had The money and all that They didn't even talk about the None of the other stuff really, think about it Some other watch I got Oh man, they loving it What? About a year or two thousand I'm gonna gut out my bus Like they wasn't really Talking about Going over and do this and do that As far as on the hustle like that really They were more talking about what they had Accomplished already Kind of like that a little better to be honest But it's always about materialistic It's either about what you have It's about either that sex Guns is like Who raps about positivity Unless they call it conscious rapping Well, that's the problem It immediately gets thrown into something else He's got a different category Like I engineered for David Banner He's like, they're leaving me a conscious rapper now He's like, I've been rapping about this shit He's been on this same shit But it's like now because he did it on a certain style of beat On the last album It's like now it's this So how did you get involved with David Banner to work with him In the day he used to get on my tapes when I was like 17 18 and do like a freestyle He'll just call me and be like, I'm going to patchwork Bring some beats, I'll do a freestyle for you So I wasn't even producing so I bring like Kanye's Diamonds or any of this stuff And people, he would always tell me People always talk about the stuff we do And I think he'd hit me one day When I didn't even know about publishing And asked me to get young jock on his Was it Get Like Me that blew up So I actually, because jock it was my tape He was like, you can get jock to do this part But yeah, so he came and did it So that was real dope but actually Mixed a lot of his new album Mixed his new single Swingin' that's out And so maybe like three years ago we linked back up And he had me like mixing his beats And kind of helping him back up his files and stuff And that evolved into me recording his new album The God Box 2 and working with more of that And actually mixing the first single Swingin' And some more of the stuff And so that's been really cool Like my talent has leveled up so much Just from working with him because he doesn't accept less You've been working with him for a long time Since you were, you know, he was 17 And you can see the growth You can see, was he always that person Who's always took his craft seriously Who's always like studying about How to improve and all of that Absolutely, he's always been on it Like such to a fine detail Like very specific about everything And so it's been dope to actually work on the album And like help shape the album Into something that he loves You know, because I never thought I'd be able to hit his bar As far as like mixing a song or anything like that And the album sounds great You know, the album's fired When is it releasing? I don't know when the date of the album is Like I said, Swingin' the singles out right now I'm not sure, and Bun B's actually on that He did a little part of it, of course That's his boy Bun B vocals right there I could only imagine I think it's a song we say I can only imagine You know, you and Bun B You know, he's Professor, you weren't Dr. Cool You know, I'm not going to be able to Sit in the room with you two guys He's a professor, you just Talked about being at the school Y'all turning hip hop into Something of educational Which is good, he's a cute It makes it look different, doesn't it? We didn't see this coming back in the day When it first jumped off, you know what I'm saying You just seen, you know, Cool Hurt You just seen one of these boys Up in New York, they was more of just They didn't think rap was going to last long To be honest with you, when you seen Them hip to the hoppet boys Man, the one that I introduced you to In Vegas, one of them passed away too The one that refers to I can't remember the name That's sad, you don't know who that is You got to remember these guys You talking about Sugar Hill gang? I introduced some of them But real talk, like They didn't see this thing coming Like you just spoke it Nobody did, you can't make this up It's a lifestyle, it's culture It's not going anywhere It's best that we clean it up in a way To where we pretty it up and fancy it up So our kids can be educated in the process Because if not, then it continues to be Something where people just freelance And they didn't do whatever they want to do with it Right, and the way I see it is So many people want to do it I want to help show people the right way That's why I'm doing an options my master class University of Illinois came from And I'm actually working with Kennesaw State right now too But basically it's 15 videos And I teach you from the beginning How to produce, what a good sample is Different production techniques all the way down To mixing, networking How to handle your business Just kind of like A to B, like A to Z On everything that you need to know Like getting in the industry It's fun as a lot of people who have been in the industry a while Like I didn't know this, or I didn't know that So I'm thinking this is a beginner level thing It's like, no actually I didn't know this part about publishing I didn't know, because I think a lot of people don't know What their rights are until They get taken from you or you sign them away You know, like I was fortunate enough to sign Pierre Bourne Okay, wow One of the hottest producers of the past five years Probably the most influential right now And I signed him straight out of SAE I just found him at a school But people don't know things You know what I'm saying? Not necessarily just him But just a lot of people, when you're so green You want to be successful You'll just sign anything and you'll do anything Because you're not willing to look for the knowledge Because wouldn't all of this information As much as you teach it, people always say There's nothing you can't learn off for YouTube So wouldn't this information you could still find on YouTube If you were looking for it? The issue is discernment I don't think people can discern the information It's almost like information overload Do I listen to this influencer or do I listen to this influencer? Correct One could be right or one could be wrong Or one could be 45% right I'm trying to teach people to cherry pick the information That they need for them The one thing about YouTube, you got another question to ask That's what you're kind of saying too If you don't know how to do this You don't know what to ask You ask what you think you need Am I right? If I'm trying to build something I'm going to be like, let me build this But I've got to put this in here right To get the right answer Some of this stuff is like the answer is different for everybody That's why I realized too The videos are so wide ranging Because I do a consultant too And some people listen to their beats And I'm like, they're not bad They're just boring How do you tell somebody that if they don't know that That hasn't been around people that know This is just kind of boring And I show them how to sample And then next week they're sending me beats And they're fire To me, I love that Students at the University of Illinois I showed them an interview With the guy there how to create a sample Everybody playing in the room is a piano How many people can fit on it? Three people? Three people playing piano We've got two amps, two people playing guitar And just record it in the middle with one mic Sample that, loop it, make a beat out of it Mangle it Anyways, and so I was showing the kids And the next week the kid's like, I did it But I don't know where to take it And I was like, this right here Then the next week he sends it back And it sounds amazing So there's like three different hip hop courses At the University of Illinois And so I think Our class is like 25 So there's a lot of people interested in doing it Yeah, absolutely, but the problem that we're running up to Is a lot of people can't prove to their parents That they can make money off of music It seems like such a pipe dream And so that's why the class is Music Monetization 499 We're trying to show these kids who play jazz piano There's 14 different ways you can make money You can play at a bar, you can play on the side of the street You can teach piano lessons But one parent want to see their child play on the side of the street For money There's all these different ways to make money Make some money and show your parents You're making money off of it Because a lot of them are like, engineering major Minor in music, or can't even do a minor in music And they're just taking the class just because they want to do it And they're like, I really don't want to do any of this engineering But I can't prove to my parents I can make money off of it How many of them are females? Not enough Not enough, not enough Part of what I'm doing there is helping diversify The diversify what they have going on Do you think they should start in high school? Because a lot of stuff in high school We know it ain't going to make you no money My wedding just put it in high school I'm working on what's coming out with more courses That are more hyper specific So like even just on bass Just on music supervision For movies and sync placements and stuff And then coming out with K-12 textbooks So I am working on coming into that lane Kind of found myself randomly In the college area And then I guess I'm working my way back through it Because some high schools like, I know The one in the Sodor Duncanville They do that because Ziggy made it, which is Lowdeezy, which is Lowdeezy is Yellow Beesie manager His son is a producer, but he's also He just graduated and gone to college But in high school, they have a course That taught them how to do the mixing And all of that to have all the equipment and everything But not all high schools have that But that was, I thought that was amazing That they did that because there's so many young kids Who end up leaving school And out on the street doing stuff And they love music, if they had those courses In school, they would probably be more Involved in things like that rather than being on the street One thousand percent Kids have to have access to things like this That they would be interested in Absolutely, and it's like if they don't know it's there How could they possibly partake in it And that's why the good thing Is about just being able to have a laptop now To be able to make music, because it's way more accessible But now we need the arts back in the school You know, it's like When you talked about monetization and you're talking about These children in college Who have to prove to their parents Because that's one question I was going to ask you When you did all of that and you were sneaking around Selling your DVDs and tapes and stuff like that But your parents didn't know that's what you were doing How old were you when you actually went to them And said, this is what I want to do full time And did they agree with you Were they that parent that said You can't make no money from that No, you need to go find a real job Oh yeah, absolutely I think I went into college And I did a full year And I got an A average I never had an A average in school ever before But it was just because it was test I guess I was good at test and not busy work And then I came back, I was like two weeks into the next semester And I was sitting in a history class And I was like, I don't want to be a history teacher Just had like this epiphany And I just got up and I walked out I don't know, like a movie, so dramatic Mom, I'm not going to college I was going to be the first one to graduate college And I just said, I'm already doing this music It's not going to help with the music I'd already tried to get in the music program And they wouldn't let me because I didn't play an instrument And I play plenty of instruments And so that's what we're trying to fix up at University of Illinois and some of these other places So back then you had to play an instrument to be in the music And most major colleges for the music To get in the music programs, you have to play an instrument Which think about how many people that cuts off So we're trying to fix that at some colleges right now But yeah, they weren't seeing the vision at all And for sure they thought I just sold drugs for a while Like just dealing cash Just dealing cash, you know what I'm saying Hanging out all night, coming in at all hours Smelling like straight weed You know, it's like this kid Our son is selling drugs He has to be, you know And I'm like, no, I'm hanging out with rappers And the only reason I think my dad started believing me Because he would hear about some of these rappers like Oh, Pasha Troy or this person He would hear those names and be like Okay, well, you know, he's doing that But they still didn't believe until I do stuff like Go to the Museum of Modern Arts and perform Or I'm in the New York Times And then they'll see like, alright, alright How do they feel now? Do they ever bring those conversations back up When you was young? They're proud now They just didn't see the vision I took my mom to the recording academy event the other day For the summer thing and everybody kept thinking She was like a part of the academy You know, but to watch her just out there Dancing with mom and everything, it was real nice That's dope, man Who would you like to work with? Andre 3000 Everybody That's how he retired, didn't he? I think he did, but He'll get on the phone every night, damn I feel like he's just going to drop sporadic music I think he don't want to put no rules to it Yeah, and he doesn't want any expectations on it There you go So I would like to just, on the very lowest of keys Andre, let's just get in the studio I ain't going to tell nobody Let's just get in the studio, you know Top three producers of all time? Top three, top three Gotta go organize noise Gotta go Pimp C Hey, boy, that's my guy, you can come back Any time, that boy watched the show right now Come on, man How do you know about him? No, I was not able to meet Pimp C No, I wish I was I didn't get to talk to him In my second one, I want to Oh, yeah, the third one It's really almost a tie between DJ Paul and Juicy J and T-Mix It's hard I know, DJ Paul and Juicy J DJ Paul and Juicy J They're such the blueprint for a lot of what I grew up on and what's going on right now It's hard for everybody who makes beats not to say DJ Paul and Juicy J are probably one of their biggest influence But T-Mix is coming right behind them It's all that stuff You are a UGK fan That nigga fanning out I'm listening to everything he's saying over there Putting him in that box Top three artists of all time Any genre, though Outcasts gotta be number one Outcasts number one As much as I say, I want to work with Andre If I could get outcasts in the studio I think Andre kind of became the unicorn Just because he stepped out of the game Everybody's like Andre We just outcast together Because you can think about it That was big You know what I'm saying? He brought that flair to it So I would say outcast Man, as far as Are we talking about my favorites? Yes Artists of all time, any genre People that impacted your life Any genre Now you just opened it all the way up Any genre Floyd in there That's number two The dark side of the moon is why my music so spacey People say your beat sounds so cinematic I'm like, I've heard the dark side of the moon I know what it possibly could be Between that and outcast That's all the spacey sounds ATL in Number three And number three I'd probably have to say TI My second favorite rapper Just for the era that I grew up in Andre, you first I already put outcast first Your first Favorite rapper is outcast Outcast The way I feel is just Give me their discography That's all I can listen to Absolutely, outcast Intip's discography That damn TI, boy That's a rapping fool I love the early stuff so much All the way through Urban Legend I really do that He do his own thing Him and Lil Wayne These guys have changed their style I've been wanting to go back Just a little bit And I know they've evolved But I'm like, damn, I love that era That was a hell of a era And that's specifically why this banner album so much It feels like he's giving you the album That he wants to give you and that you want from him At the same time I can't wait to hear it I think as artists, we're getting our head about stuff We look at it so long It's like when you look at a word for so long And you're like, feel, feel, feel, feel That's not even a word You look at the thing for too long And I think as an artist We're living with the song for months Before it comes out So I think it's easy to get in our head About stuff and kind of get away from wet Not necessarily just people want from us But what we're good at almost David Banner is like I said He wanted those guys You blessed it, you've worked with all You've worked with a bunch of good Great artists, man Great culture-driven people You're a part of this whole thing Like I keep saying, so just dope, man Thank you so much for coming on the show We love you I watch Boss Talk all the time You love Boss Talk You know what I'm saying, most people do We knew, but we're here So how can people get a hold of you All social media at DJBURNONI And then www.the5pointspacry.com You can get my master class options The pre-orders up right now Check us out, we got a lot of music coming out I've been working on my album I didn't talk about it a lot because I'm in the process Not trying to change anything I got a lot of dope stuff on there I'm working on my album right now Kind of like a compilation album So I got a bunch of legends And new school folks on the album Some names of who you have on there Not yet, because I want to make sure everything's finished You know, clearances and everything I'm like, don't want to jinx anything We'll do another interview once I get it done We're going to bring the Dallas We're going to bring the Dallas You know I used to come to Dallas every Because my mix inside of my family is out there My mom's Mexican, so I used to come out there every summer And so I spent half way Enough to get myself in trouble And be like, oh, damn it I'll get it going Are you coming to Dallas for us? I love you coming to Dallas Thank you so much Hey man, thank you for coming on the show It's been another great segment A boss talk, 101 What a boss is talk