 We've talked about how SDA needs to be user-centered and sort of on the margin you mentioned this issue that in many situations, in many territories, SDA's creators don't really get credited. So in a way you have a high profile thanks to media articles and you have been actually interviewed by Netflix but normally SDA's creators don't really get a credit so there's no way to check who created SDA or closed captioning in many territories whereas the standard practice is for translators who are working on subtitles to be credited. Do you find that a bit of a paradox? In this context you talked earlier about how creative SDA is and it is offered by a specific person. Should SDA's creators be credited in your opinion? I think so and it's something that I've been discussing recently with my peers and trying to work out how it might be a possibility in the future because like you say, it's a creative thing and it's just in my opinion, in my experience, having translated as well. I find it just as creative a process as being a translator and it's a very unique skill. You have to understand the meaning of sound for a start which not everybody realises and so yeah if it were up to me it would be something that we were credited for. Before we move on let's perhaps explain why SDA's creators are not credited and I think that's because many people in this tree have this perception that SDA's closed captioning is basically an automatic task in a sense that it's just creating transcription and there is no creative element to it and I guess you fully disagree with such a perception. Well it depends on the person that's performing the task. Like I have knowledge, background, experience and I've studied and learnt to do it a certain way so that I could incorporate the descriptors that explain things for the deaf community, the hard of hearing community. I work in a way to try and cover as much as I can and so I think that there's obviously a difference between someone who's performing their task that way and someone who is performing the task in a very automatic way where they're like just like they don't think of the intention of the sound and so yeah I can say I disagree with it in my view because I know what the way I'm doing it but I can't speak for everyone. So perhaps to recap we could agree that surely for entertainment content SDA's is a very creative task and the authors of SDA's should be should be credited.