 Turn the volume up on Jim Greer. Awesome. Hello, everybody. Hello. Let's get people in. I sang hello from RER24. Cork. Did you all karaoke last night? No. No. Sadly not. But there was singing. There was definitely singing. There was traditional Irish music. And for some of us, this was a rather late night. Some of us made it to bed early. So at Reclaim Open in June, Rajiv spoke there. And so we had Tim set up Reclaim RK to be this really kind of cool karaoke. Freakin' Rajiv, did several numbers where he had a chair and was dancing around the chair. I thought like extra dancers were going to come out. Like that was insanely talented. And we ended the night doing George Michael's freedom. And I think I joked to someone like it was probably the highlight of 2023. Everyone was on the dance floor saying freedom. It was literally outlandishly good karaoke. And that guy is ridiculously talented. I had no idea. Like he had the numbers down. He was dancing. His charisma is obviously already amazing. But then he's a ridiculously good dancer. Wow. That was something. Well, we have to say we didn't trump that. That's for sure. But we did have a lot of fun. And what we thought we would do is like everybody here is in various stages of hungry and wanting to go for lunch. So we're going to see an order of who wants to go first. They can share their highlights and like chat a little bit about the conference. And then as we dwindle, as people, go over to lunch, Meredith and I will stay here and share some more highlights. So people in the room, who's the most hungry? Who has to be off first? I have to go to a GEN webinar. Okay. Listen. Hi, I'm Martin. Hi, Martin. We have a highlight from the conference. I'll go with the keynotes. I think it's great. I think it's great. I think it's great. I think it's great. I think it's great. I think it's great. I'll go with the keynotes. I think it's great. I know that's often an easy one to do. But I think, you know, I've seen Rajeev speak before. I've seen Katherine and Laura speak before. They obviously created new keynotes. They weren't like, you know, people just do the same on stick. And it's a really resonating difficulty, I think. And there are lots of themes to pick up then. I think in lots of other sorts. And that's what you really want from a keynote. They were great. Rajeev did this really cool thing where he had recorded himself drawing, like annotating and writing about his own keynotes. He did it. And apparently he was recording on Tom's dining table, dinner table, with just like an iPhone on a piece of wood strapped to a piece of wood above it. And it looked really cool. Like really super cool. Oh, yeah. It's great. Yeah. I heard a hundred years of ed tech was pretty good, too. But the never ending project. He'll still be blogging. Zombie blogger. Well, if anybody listening to the stream hasn't seen the keynotes, they are live on YouTube. So definitely check out Rajeev's talk. So Martin, if you need to run off, turn on the webinar. Right. Who is next for lunch? Even if it's you who has to go and end. Yeah. I would say I'm, I guess, yeah, same as Martin. I really enjoyed Rajeev's talk. It's the same with catching the Laura. And today is a really good night. Last night just catching up with a lot of old friends and meeting some new people. And I'm glad to see lots of kind of younger people here and lots of undergraduate students and graduate students presenting on their work and kind of, you know, Martin's shuffling off into the distance, you know, there's new people coming up to take his crown. I'm pretty excited about how he's gone, you know, and he's back in them like, oh, Professor Rotherton. Put them with spears. What's up, Leo? Do you want to jump in next? You're part of the Gojian delegation this year. I'm actually going here as part of Gojian, although I'm always part of Gojian. So I'm kind of here on my own steam, though. But yeah, so for me, this conference has been one that is like an admissible event of the year for the last few years. And I always love coming to it and I always love when it's in a beautiful charming place like Cork. And the keynotes were fantastic. I think all of those people are, you know, have enormous respect for their work and love them. And I really liked in Catherine and Laura's one, the way they just kind of posed the problems to us and said, this is the kind of shit that we need to be dealing with. And they didn't pretend that there's going to be simple solutions to any of it. And I thought that was, you know, kind of an honest space and also kind of a call for us to think about, you know, where are we and how can we work together and how can we work with others who don't necessarily understand all this stuff that we talk about. But, you know, we could actually, you know, be working with other people who are trying to change the world in useful ways. So I really like that. But yeah, I guess the highlight overall has just been seeing all the beautiful people and hanging out with them. So, Leah, one of the things I saw when I was someone, I think Meredith took a picture or Marin took a picture and we have a Slack channel. And one of the things they said Catherine and Laura in their keynote, that was interesting, that things that they didn't see coming, like, you know, AI and the enclosure of open. And I thought that was super interesting, like particularly for me, the enclosure of open, like the fact that we shared it in Slack, it happened on Discord, right? Like all of these kind of small, but very significant moves away from the open web. Yeah, so I liked that. Even just, I saw one slide and I was already fascinated by that talk. I'm glad you saw that slide because I was trying to take a picture of it, but then they just... Well, that was awesome too. Yeah, absolutely. I really liked your guest of presentation yesterday and like how it was the fast-paced, but the way that you kind of ended it is like, it's not like libraries and open is ever closed. Like it's always so ongoing. And I just thought that was really cool. How you kind of in a time-fair way of fashion. So then we're like, let's just, you know, have a, you know, say that we attended to. Yeah. Alan's got a closing guest coming up today. So are you ready for it? Yeah, well, I have a bit on that. But first of all, like the flavor of OER, I mean, I haven't been since 2018, but it was always somehow, it was the magic sauce was the people that are here. And the thing I've enjoyed, like some others have said, like I've gotten to, I went to sessions where I didn't know the presenters. Yeah, I could go to my friend's. I went to my friend's. I think it's a real opportunity to listen to the work of people and institutions that you don't really know much about. So my mind's blown there. And yes, I'm doing a guest. And this is my coach. She gave me a pet talk. She showed me your video, Jim. And so I think, I mean, it's, it's fun, but I thought they're kind of quiet yesterday. Yeah. Everybody like they made it close to time. But yeah, the way Leo has ended was good. And Kathy tried to get in front of Tom at the end, but I'm trying something really disruptive, Jim. It's going to be surprised. It's going to be really weird. But it kind of gets into this thing that's going on. He is one of the things. I mean, comment about the slack and this thing that people came up and saying like, you know, you know, where do we go after Twitter and this whole thing and, you know, people are putting their affiliations and their, their blue sky and their mast done and their everything. And, and, and all the things happening in the slacks. And that's not changing. But I'll give you a sneak preview. There's a T-shirt. Oh, wow. Are we needing to zoom in? And the funny thing is my work colleagues are not going to understand a bit of what I'm talking about. But my friends will. Are you going to, are you going to have people behind you being like, you should. I've never done this. I'm going to do a spoken poetry. I know. It's awesome. And I submitted my abstract as a poem and I thought they're going to just throw this out. That's awesome. But, but no, your video was a very good. Influence. Cause Ann says what you want to, I'm already sorry. Really? See how nervous I am. That you can, you know, you can aim to like not get cut off. Cause I didn't get casted, but I think it's more fun. Yeah. To blow it up. I think the challenge I set you when we were talking about it was, yeah, you've got, you've got a choice. You three choices. You can finish on time and not get fairly. You can go over and get fairly or the third choice is you can fuck with Tom Farrell. I'm going to, I'm going to attempt it. I have something on my sleeve. I could start with that as a design decision. If it works, memory gets all the credit. And it was interesting. I saw another guest yesterday tried to do similar. Laurie Fitz and Donald Ancliffe had the audience. They were at the end of their piece. And I was like, oh, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. They were at the end of their piece. They tried to get the audience to vote on something. They tried to take the audience voice at the point that Tom would have come in and got the audience to, to chant. And so there was a little bit of, you know, they come with the same kind of design decision as well. How can we, how can we play with Tom in this as well as play with. And Thomas is, he's on his home turf, right? So he might have to be a little bit more controlled. So you can even. I don't know that that's Tom's boat. I think my point here, I mean, the key notes have been amazing. Laura and Catherine this morning was particularly special because I don't get to see those two people in the same place and the same time. And we talk a lot, but we never are in the same place. And that's, you know, I had the experience that reclaim open of meeting somebody I've collaborated with for many years, Laura, Laura Gibbs and seeing her in person today or the last couple of days, I met Shahira for the first time in person gave her a hug. And also one of my board members from, from a perio Inga was randomly here. We didn't know either of us were going to be here. And so again, something I've worked with for nearly six years now and never actually met face to face. So everything everybody's been saying about community and seeing people again, but seeing people beyond the pandemic that I've only ever networked with across time and space and get to see them for real and give them a hug. And that's been super, super special. Laura Gibbs amazing. Laura Gibbs amazing. Absolutely amazing. Yes. Well, if anybody else wants to go for lunch, you are welcome. I think Meredith and I are going to stay here and chat a little bit more with you, Jim, and share some more highlights from OER. But we also appreciate that you've already given up half an hour of the hour. Can I say one other question? Yeah, please. That's in the day as well. One other pleasure I've had is that for the first time at an OER conference, we've got to hang out with Marin. Yay! Exactly. Marin is not somewhere stressed out running around. That's the face of happiness. I don't have any of course not. So, Leo, one question for you, Leo, before you go. Leo, is Javier there? At the conference? Yeah. Yes, she is. Yeah, we presented yesterday. Actually, she presented in the same room as us. So, yes. Sorry, Jim. These chairs are loud. Yeah, they are very loud. Every time you get up, the chairs are like, conk. So yeah, Javier is here, isn't she? Yeah, she presented yesterday. She did a fantastic presentation. Yeah, I agree. She's fun. Yeah, so many good people just in that room behind you. Amazing. Yeah. Well, everybody's gone for lunch now because, you know, needs master. This is kind of like a hallway chat. Well, maybe we can share some highlights. Yeah, absolutely. I had a couple hours to jump in. Yeah. Yesterday in our room, we had the first presentation and then the rest. There were four in an hour. And no, that was afternoon session. Never mind afternoon sessions, but they did a RLR, like reusable learning resource that they're, they're kind of bringing up here at MTU and then other universities in Ireland too. And it was about a cooking class. And they dedicated one week to recording the entire thing, but had a really minimal setup. I think like two cameras, but they were using an ATEM mini to kind of switch things around. And I was like that technical side of like behind, behind the scenes producing like really kind of brought me back to like reclaim open and how we've experimented with making the presentations live at the moment and archiving kind of the work that we're continuing to do throughout the live streams of ed tech too. And it was really cool. Like just how they built the whole thing. Working with the professors weren't necessarily technically inclined, but they worked with the instructional designer to bring in the course. And it was built in H5P. So all open too, which is super cool. And then just after Martin's talk today was the, a research study on data and like data literacy and agency with the students. And the documentary we were talking about too of like, don't track me. Like that's literally what it's called or don't track that or something like that. But the, that resource was super cool. And I think also kind of what we're focused on or reclaimed to with our security work that we've been working on. Like just all of us being mindful of all of that too. That was really cool. Yeah, I can only echo that. And cooking project that you mentioned Meredith, that was like a community college project. So, and similarly Rob Lowe from DCU who was giving that talk about the tracking and the students. Again, that was built with resources that weren't native higher ed resources. And one of the things that's been really special about having OER here in Ireland is that, you know, Ireland is a relatively small country and there were so many people coming because it was here. And so there are lots of people here who I don't think would have come to an OER conference had it been somewhere else. So community college folk, you know, community learning. And there were even school teachers here and certainly the teachers we saw yesterday the catering teachers, you know, they never presented on this at a conference before. So it was really fun to see, you know, recently seasoned presenters like Anne-Marie or, you know, Lea with kind of, you know, bags of research experience next to folk who were kind of really new to the open piece. So that was really inspiring. It was cool to hear Eamon talk about the fact that, you know, there is a lot of new faces and a lot of young faces and that's super cool. You know, you want open education to have a kind of a lifeline, right? You know, it would suck if it was just a bunch of grumbling like, well, back at open ed in 2007, you know, we used to do it that way. It's, you know, because it's a different reality now. And I really like that from the slide I saw that you shared, Meredith, about Laura and Catherine's kind of taking stock of the changes and asking the community, can we keep up with this? Are we willing to change? Like, where are we going and what's important to us? That's some really important questions for a community to like open. I mean, I say open ed or just a community of open educators, if you will. Well, for me, one of the highlights was also that we were able to speak on the same day as kind of Reclaim Press was launching. And actually, people got really excited about it. They were like, there's a beta, I can set up for it, you know, and people were coming up to us at like coffee and at lunch kind of asking about it. And I think there is a lot more interest now in kind of taking the domains of one's own concept and applying it to a research project or a whole team and kind of, you know, scaling the kind of piece around that independent domain rather than being always part of the institution's domain. So we had a lot of fun with that as well. And yeah, we've shared slides and video and things online. Yeah. I'm still reflective about it too because I'm thinking back to our one shower with Josie over at BC Campus. We were talking about the younger group too. It's her first that we are. Shout out to Josie. Like the super cool and like seeing that perspective from she's not, she's not presenting. She's just a delegate and seeing that perspective. I think this is definitely a very powerful one to be at in that capacity to like just the speakers. And I was struck by how many people from the MTU, the Munster Technological University group is presenting to because I think Shane in the last session, Shane Cronin was also talking about a lot of the RLRs too. That was really cool. I saw one of the things you shared Meredith from a presentation I think happened after yours was there was a bunch of faculty who were getting basically grants. And one of the grants one of the faculty was getting was how do I use an open source suite of tools to, you know, do teaching and learning. And obviously, you know, that's a sweet spot for me. I really love that. But like just the fact that there were so many different projects looking at and faculty are experimenting with that. And like the university is supporting them. And that relationship with a group of educational technologists like that's a really cool thing to still see because that's where the magic happens, right? Those projects where you don't know what's going to come of it. Actually, Jim, that's interesting that you pick up on that because that was one of the questions that came up. So at the conference, there's always four 15 minute sessions in a block and then there is a joint Q&A. And in our Q&A, something came up around, you know, how do we build confidence for faculty to fail and to play and not necessarily expect success and kind of that pressure to be excellent in everything all of the time. And that's actually been one of the sort of ongoing pieces of conversations in the different sessions I've set in to really recognize that more. And we were able to kind of also share how, you know, one of the sort of pieces that we bring to the table is that enough digital literacy and skills to be able to say, yes, we're failing and we're learning and that's an okay thing to do. Sort of bring that a little bit of that sort of start-up mentality into it, the kind of industry mentality into it. And many people in the conference were really kind of inspired by, you know, going outside of that higher ed pressure to always just be excellent and always have the perfect success. So I think that I'm interested that you picked up on that. That was really, that was really fun. So another question for you all, given you're on the ground there. Was AI in hyperdrive at the conference? Was it kind of balanced? Like is AI kind of taken over, open ed? And what are their angles, people that are interesting are coming at open ed with AI? Yeah, I think a lot of people are very practical about how they're approaching AI. I think Alan mentioned that, or not Alan, Martin mentioned that about 2022 is like the theme of the tech was the AI emergence. And I don't, I genuinely think like no one's approached it as AI in general. I was joking, we were walking between sessions and I saw this meme on Facebook as I'm scrolling on the way over here of like photographers taking AI and they're shaking the hands and it's like four images of all the hands just like completely AI messed up. They're not like actual physical hands. Like it's just the way that they're, they've shifted. But I think we're all being very like hesitant, but also like really kind of thoughtful about how we approach using AI. And there was, I'm sorry when we're like a little bit, but in our Slack channel, someone's signature in the, in their email on a ticket said this email was not written using chat GPT. It was really funny that people are starting to use that in their email signatures to confirm that it is a human actually writing to you now instead of AI. Yeah, I agree with you. I think there is a couple of sessions on AI which we haven't been in, but Laura and Catherine mentioned it during their keynote this morning and they went for a couple of angles. I think like you were saying very thoughtful, very critical. So they were saying, you know, we need to be aware of the extractive labor involved in a lot of AI and being, you know, have an open eyes around how open educational resources and content can be abused by, you know, for data scraping and to train AI. And also, one of the presentations that was just here in this room, Rob Lowe talked about, you know, educating students around what happens if they put data into AI tools and how that's used and how that could be commercialized and kind of helping them to understand what the value of their data is. But I think as Meredith was saying, the mood of the conference is very much, you know, I think Catherine had this beautiful phrase. She said, you know, we need to take action. We need to take action now and we need to decide how we want to meet this moment. And they were using the metaphor of open education as at the crossroads. It's not viable to not take action, to not have a view in order to take action. And you have to kind of call it out and say, here are the things I'm seeing that I can make a difference to, whether that's climate justice or social justice or other forms of kind of the social justice agenda. So it was really powerful, I think, the way that they addressed it. They made it seem very much like a possibility that you could take action in a meaningful way rather than just, you know, being consumed by AI. That's awesome. So I think I saw that Bonnie Stewart made a second, I mean, she's probably come from many, but is Bonnie Stewart there as well? Yeah, Bonnie's here and brightening up the space with her smile, like from across the hall, you can see her beaming. And she is definitely, she's presented yesterday as well. She's brought a colleague as well from her institution in Windsor and they were giving a couple of talks and we also have Lorna Campbell from Scotland. She was here. Oh, Lorna's the best. She was here on Open Scotland and you'll remember, Jim, Keith Smyth from UHY from last year, so Keith and his team are here. So that's been really fantastic. And Meredith and I learned about a new national program here in Ireland called the N-Tutor Program, which is headed up by Sharon Flynn, who is one of the trustees of old, who actually launched a new open education white paper here in Ireland yesterday. So that was like a lot of really powerful kind of things being announced, you know, lots of things happening from all across the globe. Yeah, absolutely. And someone already referenced it, Marin, but what is it like for you having essentially run the OER conference, having adopted it as it was a kind of orphan looking for a home. So all took it in, you kind of took it and built it up to be, I think, probably the groovyest conference, you know, that I would go to at any given time. It's such a fun time. There's so many good people. What is it like for you to come to it as a kind of post-alt employee, if you will? Has that been strange? Has that been cool? Oh, that's a great question. I thought it was going to be really weird. I think I was a bit nervous before I set off on my journey. I was like, what is this going to be like? But actually, it's not been weird at all. I've been really enjoying it. And this morning, old car and CEO, Carrie Pinney gave me a shout out and to Martin Weller as well, because we were the kind of people who were part of shepherding the OER conference into old in 2015. And so it's been nearly 10 years now. Yeah. And it's just so wonderful to see how vibrant it is and how many people there's over 200 people here in Cork. And it's just fantastic to see that the conference, you know, with all the work we all did, and obviously you guys were part of the OER by domains, you know, and the pandemic years of the conference. And, you know, I think it was really on life support and we kept it kicking. And now it kind of feels like it's got a whole new lease of life. And it is absolutely, for me, like my favorite event. And I absolutely love being here and just having a little bit of fun as well. Meredith and I have been doing sightseeing. We played tourists. You know, we've been exploring stationery stores and sandwich shops. It's like being on holiday, Jim. And Meredith, you've been, I'm going to see if I get this right. You tell me, you were at Bristol, which I think was 2018. Yeah. You were at Ballway, 19, 20. Yeah. You were at, but that was the year where everything blew up. And then 21, that was the online. So what has this event that you're at now fit in comparison to some of the previous events? I remember in 18 Bristol, that was an interesting event because David Wiley Key noted, and there was a lot of, like, that was a moment, talk about a crossroads. There was a lot of kind of, how would we say dissonance in the crowd around some of that discussion and some of the politics of OER, which is real and it's a crossroads. So what has this been like in relationship to some of the other ones? Yeah. This has definitely been really interesting because this is my first international conference since the pandemic. I don't, like, I love Rick Limopen. I don't count it because in the same way that you, like, you running OERs, like, running it so I didn't really get to experience it from the perspective of a participant. And this one's been really cool to see because it's kind of in a little bit of layers in the crossroads aspect is that I was fresh out of college during the beginning, like, 2018, 2019 years. So I was still, I was joking with my husband about this. I was a noob. I'll use the word noob. That's my name. I was a sphere of open education. And now in 2024, I don't feel that way. Like, I feel like I'm really starting to find the footing of where I want to go with it and what topics interest me of this sphere of open education, of, like, even the AI tools and, like, even just talking about reclaim, like, I feel so much more confident about talking through Reclaim Press. Like, even our presentation, like, I just feel so much better with it. Like, I wasn't nervous. I wasn't like, oh, my goodness. Like, I think just having a couple presentations under my belt now with those, like, I think it's just a lot, like, a lot more confidence. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, you've looked it. It was awesome. Yeah. So. Yeah. I had, I mean, I wasn't, I wasn't exaggerating last year. Like, last year was a super special conference for me. I mean, I think maybe because it was, like you said, post-pandemic, maybe because, you know, great people were there, but just also, you know, it was a time of, you know, just getting out and getting back. And so it is a bummer not to be there, but I love that both of you are representing a hard core for the four-life-est brand ever. But yeah, I think that conference is the bee's knees. It's awesome. Yeah. And I really appreciate, like, Marin's idea to bring in that, the back channel and Slack. Like, yes, it's in Slack, we want to make sure that the whole team is like, feels like they are participating too. Like, I think that that's been really helpful. In a mindset of like, oh, like, you kind of get in the moment of your ear there. And then I've been taking notes of, like, how to bring it back to everybody too on, like, what kind of projects. And we're even thinking about, like, how we can incorporate the people we've met into, like, our live streams and chat. Yeah. We have a whole list of people to follow up with. And we do actually have one very special greeting to deliver to the whole reclaim team. Because Meredith and I have been stretching towards the sky, hugging Brian Mothers very closely. Oh, yeah. We are laden with Brian made stickers. Yes. Not just from the reclaim side of things, but also there are so many other artworks here that Brian has created. It's like every presentation you go to, it's like Brian Mothers. Yeah. This is by Brian. This is by Brian. So we've collected stuff for all everybody, and we're going to ship it home and put it into envelopes and definitely spread a little bit of the joy. But Brian sends lots of love and it's been fantastic to hang out with him. Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I mean, I tried to time the visual anthology you created, Marin, of Reclaims 10 Years of Art, with the idea of thinking a little bit about, you know, we talked about if we were going to do it as a physical book, what would it introduce? What would an introduction be like? And my idea was, you know, I could say it's the Reclaim aesthetic, but in many ways it's the Mathers aesthetic. And I think the fact that it pervades all of the OER kind of, you know, sessions, whether it's Emans, whether it's Martins, whether it's Go-G-N, right? Or Reclaims. Like, there's a sense that he has captured some of the playfulness and joy and kind of, I think, you know, aspirations of a community really well in his art. And I think it makes us as a community better by having that visual aesthetic. And so I wanted to time that idea of that Mathers aesthetic with the morning of OER 24, because one of the things you start to realize when you go to these sessions is like, is that Brian Mathers? Like, can he create this? Oh, my God. Yeah, well, we've been sharing that blog post around the hashtag as well and people have been watching it and like Brian was so thrilled to see it all come together. So I think there's definitely lots of sort of ripples of that, you know, collection going out and that post going out. So it's nice how these things connect and I'm really glad we were able to come here and have a bit of a hallway chat because I do miss that kind of informal, that meticulous informality that Martin has been blogging about as well. You know, having that sort of conversation is really important. Yeah, and I think like to the points you both made about the keynotes and this particular moment in OER, like if we are at a crossroads and if there are some real choices to be made and stuff like, there's a lot of different ways to approach that, right? And I think part of that is like, what are the arguments people make? Like how did they make it? Not simply like a finger pointing, like you should be better, but like a really inviting open kind of, you know, a sense of, you know, trying to join a group who has an idea of something powerful and new and building possibility. So that's one of the things I really liked about working with Brian is I always felt like when working with him, it was like not only therapy, we always joked about, but the idea of there was always a nice kind of turn of phrase or joke or playfulness and it didn't make it any less serious or any less important, but it certainly made it more accessible for people so that they don't feel like, oh, this is this community that I am not, you know, there's a kind of wall around it. Rather it's like there's an invitation to come in and help build something new or build something unique. And that for me has always been the most exciting part about the open education movement and how we do that with whatever direction the community takes and it doesn't have to be singular or monolithic, I like that he provides us a way of being playful with it. Yeah, that's a really good thought actually. I hadn't seen it that way. I think we're going to get kicked out of our little whole way spot in just a minute because lunch is going to be over shortly. So I think... Did you guys sacrifice lunch for this? No, there's such a big queue. By the time we get there, we might still get like 10 people in front of us. So we're all good. You sacrificed lunch. That means you're for life. Eat all work. No, this was fun. I really enjoyed this. We too. I'm glad we got to be able to bring you in in spirit and virtually to talk through all that stuff. That's one more thing I need to say. So yesterday, Jim, during one of the talks, we were talking and someone from the back shouts, for life! We had a presentation and everybody just erupts out. You may have not been here in person, but the groom's spirit is strong. That's for sure. That's great. Well, you all's rules have fun. I guess this is the last day, huh? Yes. This is the last day, yeah. Well, it's almost like two days isn't enough. We'll be home tomorrow. Yeah, it's been a long week. I can imagine. Well, thank you again for inviting me in. It was great to talk. Of course. All right, y'all. Thanks so much for watching and like and subscribe. Hit that button. Smash that button. See y'all. Bye. Bye.