 Welcome to church of the chair where we celebrate all the things we do while seated. I'm your host E here today with my co-host Chad Lutzky We are collaborating on a novel called Planet caravan and I'm a little out of it today So I apologize if uh, if I am not the peppy person I had a couple days of pain and a little bit of relief. That was probably too strong for me But anyways, I am here. I am in a fog, but we're gonna do this damn thing I need to post this over to Where the discord I know that much I Knew I was forgetting something This needs to change So good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Haley. Yeah, it feels it feels better I'm kind of out of it today mentally because what a what I took To get over the pain But I was yeah, I was down down. I couldn't even get out of bed the other day. So But I am back at it I could at least get up in the office and that's all it really matters I mean, I guess I could stream from bed, but nobody wants to see that so fixing What I'm doing today is I'm fixing the thing that I wrote last time because I made it a little bit too convoluted So I'm fixing that I guess I'll share my screen I Go ahead and resolve that to it Okay, let's see. All right, step right up and singering any of this. Okay. Oh, that almost called San Cassidy Let's go any idea Ferris is supposed to be capitalized. Yeah, it is because it's a name But yeah, a hundred percent of the time Ferris wheel capital up Good morning solvents. Good morning viking. I am busy trying to remember what the hell I wrote the other day So I'm reading through everything and fixing a couple things Good morning everybody Okay, I think it's fixed I was relatively simple Okay, now to read what you wrote After that, yeah, I'm feeling better But what got me feeling better is got me in a deep mind fog. So I don't expect any entertainment today I'm just here to do the work and Hopefully I don't write some gibberish He's professional puppy snooper LLC This is my dog. Oh, hey, let's get you up here in a bigger screen. Morning, King So is this a new one? Yeah Hey Hi, E. Hey, how you doing? I'm good. I hope you're feeling better, bro. Yeah, I am I Hey, my nephew brought over some some good stuff that got me over to hump. So here I am. Oh good. Yeah I'm still in a brain fog, but I'm here and I'm working You go to go to work thanks viking I think my Daughter or my way. No, I think my wife bought this for me. I added some stuff to Little more information. I think he says he Don't your ex-boyfriend. Don't remind me she rolls her eyes He thinks he's a big shot because he's got the ferris wheel which keeps mingo under his thumb That's where what you wrote ended. I added mingo can't stand him. He's the only double O here that Mingo don't get along with double O. I asked owner operator. That's what we call the guys that what we call the Writer what the hell to hang on I just for that We need that in there, but the reason why didn't and I thought about putting something like that in there but the reason why I didn't is because How to Because then then because I think the reader and the and Shane will think this is just another kid because you know all she knows is this is my friend And if we have the owner operator right here, then then he might have probably asked, you know Like sir dad's like, well, how old is this? You know, how does he own? All right I see here, but I think we need all that everything he wrote But maybe in a different area. I think that's back to what you had Whoops What I missed Maybe Do you want to drop that on the later section? I Can yeah, yeah, see if I can find a natural place for it to pop up. Oh that hang on here. She points Okay, that's where the open quote should be right when you want it rabbit's over Mingo. Okay. That's what confused me you okay with the the Ferris wheel story with the How her or the origin? Yeah, yeah, that's fine I'm wondering if he shouldn't have a bigger reaction to the touching Right off the bat, maybe because he's in his own head I mean just assume he's thinking more about himself and what she's actually saying because it does it goes that suddenly I wish Mingo could see where I live Push Uncle Trav to the ground underground and beat the shit out of him. You cover you cover it well enough. Oh I mean like even maybe he's not We're seven well, it's a matter of you know the extent of his reaction It's like does he just I don't know I guess as a reader I'm sitting here wondering why he doesn't have a bigger reaction to her just coming out and saying My dad was touching me on a Ferris wheel and she just blows right through it and then yes But then she just keeps on going so I mean I the the last thing on his mind would probably be the you know The bit that you touch on which is he's thinking more about how and he's also just 16 years old so He would I I also believe that Shane would skip over You know how awkward that that is and try to get to it then try to think of something else Yeah, so I'm fine with with what it is Especially with someone that's so as it's sort of as she is and so like She's telling a complete stranger what happened to her You know the way she says that it's almost like you know, it's a it's not even anything to comment on Because she's you know, she's passed it. So she's just like dropping the information and just keeps on talking. So yeah I'm gonna let the readers figure that out Yeah, ice mountain is good. You couldn't line it that ice mountain the ice mountain Yeah, it's like a um It's like a cheap Spin-off of like space mountain in disney world. Yeah, I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it pretty clearly. Give me a second Uh, we couldn't line You do this No, no, never mind. I just felt that word. Oh, you're literally writing this. All right. I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop there Morning j rod. How you doing? Uh chat. I love your shirt. It's the shirt say Dr. Loomis Halloween dr. Pepper reference. That's that's funny. Okay. That's cool I have got dude. I have so many shirts that I have to cycle them out like uh I have I literally have to pack away boxes of shirts And then like in a year or two Swap out ones for it's ridiculous. I but I'm like a I'm like a fiend when it comes to t-shirts um It's funny because in my original videos, I had like four shirts and that was it There's the only four that looked any good on me in front of camera I would just like I would wear shirts until they were nothing but holes like barely stick stitch together um, in fact, I still have a shirt that is mostly holes that says Uh, I keep it just for what it says and now I can't remember what it says is like, uh Oh, yeah, every everyone's entitled to be an idiot that you're abusing the privilege And I got it specifically for one job. Um, and Then it just sat in and then I started wearing it all the time anyways, but it The damn thing is covered in paint because I use it as a As my art shirt also it's covered in paint. It's got holes It should have been thrown away ages ago But she'lls not the type of person to just like go grab the old clothes and throw them away So, uh, so I've had it for Well over a decade, but anyways the whole point of this story I'm just I'm rambling at this point. The whole point of the story is I started buying t-shirts off six dollars t's and I would buy 10 at a time and I did that for like I did that six six times in one year and I started wearing them when I When I did my comeback on youtube, I started wearing a different shirt every day And one of the first comments I got was from pat costin. He said, um, what do you plan on doing with all of these shirts? um No, I I'm I'm foreseeing that every single video is going to have a different shirt What do you do with all these shirts and the only thing I could think to respond to him was I'm going to wear them Like it's like that's what you do with shirts. But yeah, I do the same thing. I have a wardrobe out here Wardrobe, I have a piece of pipe with shirts hanging on it and then I rotate those out Take them inside wash those um because I only wear them for like maybe 30 minutes while I'm shooting a video So I've worn multiple times and I take those out and rotate the other ones out here And I have like four rotations built up So I I get what you're saying. I do almost the same thing. I just don't pack them up Yeah, I have two dressers one has Is like a long one of the long dressers. I think it has 12 drawers in it um and 10 of those drawers are just packed tight with t-shirts And and then I still have ones packed away. Yeah, I've got a problem I also just realized something like I just I don't look at myself when when we're doing these things And I got a comment the other day that uh that said you always look so fucking mad when Chad's talking And I I just noticed myself. I'm sitting here like this And I'm listening is what I'm doing is I'm listening, but I guess I have resting asshole face So when I'm listening to you I look like especially with my head shaved. Also. I woke up at two o'clock this morning. I slept Multiple times, but anyways woke up two o'clock this morning shaved my head trimmed my beard Was starting to feel human again, and then it was like there was like another wave And I'll tell you I'll tell everybody else on discord what happened But yeah, I'm not repeating it here because it has to do with some family business, but anyways um, yeah Anywho I I got I got a hold of some either some really really good stuff or some really really bad stuff And uh, yeah, I was out of it. I was completely gone. So And uh Yeah, so I'm here I'm trying to get into the swing of things and I'm kind of worried about writing anything new today because anytime I feel this way It would you you're just we're probably just gonna have to scrap everything that I write today um, I I'm I'm hopefully not because When I get in the mood like this, I just let I just word bomb it and I don't want you to have to go back Speaking of that family business. Give me a second. Everything's good. Um What was I saying? Oh, yeah, uh, so I'm I'm tentative about writing today But I'm gonna try my best. Um, and yes, I am feeling better uh But it's I don't I don't know if this was like a stopgap measure or if I actually Needed to be down for that length of time. I don't know We'll find out but I'm foreseeing that we'll probably end up doing Monday Tuesday Thursday and Friday from here on out And then I'm gonna take the weekends off completely and we'll change game night to wednesday night Just so I have two days in a row every single week that I don't have to do anything And I've already screwed up the daily uploads. So I don't have to worry about that anymore I was two away from 100 videos two away So I'm upset about that too. I got too much on my mind and here I am trying to work But sometimes you just got to do What you got to do and if I was down in the bed for another day I'd probably be even worse off because I'd be so stiff Come tomorrow. Uh, I wouldn't be able to move It's it's like you can't win for losing when you have a condition like mine because You have to be down for long enough that your body recuperates But also if you go past that time You end up getting so stiff that you can't move either So pace pacing myself that that's that's a great idea The only problem is my body doesn't have a and I was telling Chad this in text. I believe um Like I don't I used to have a warning like the day before I was about to give out I would start feeling almost like I had the flu and my entire body would ache and my back would lock up that kind of thing My leg would stop working I don't have that anymore. So I've been doing Amazingly this is the past three or four months with no problem whatsoever um, and the funny part when we first started doing this Chad was like, you know Make sure you don't do too much and so on and so forth I'm like, I'll know when when it's too much and I didn't know it was too much this time It just hit me all of a sudden because on top of everything that I'm doing here I'm also doing things outside of these streams and outside of youtube And I just haven't had any rest whatsoever And the game streams were helping because it was taking my mind off of all the the actual work and life shit that I got to do um So I was keeping myself distracted And I'm not sure if it was the distraction that led to me overdoing it Or if I was just going to end up overdoing it anyways just doing what I was doing So the game streams were definitely a bad idea because I was sitting in a chair for three hours on top of streaming With Chad on top of sitting in Uh at my desk trying to write trying to do videos trying to do all this stuff It just every everybody else saw it coming But me because my body was usually like hey dog slow the fuck down We ain't got too much left in us and it just all hit me at once Um, or you could say that I ignored like shell said you well, you don't know this but shell brought up You remember the other day when we had to pull the car around to get you out of the office Maybe because I have one step down and it's a pretty big step On to a concrete cinder block. Then I step down onto the grass to get out of my office. I don't actually have stairs and the office is about relatively two I would say about two feet from the ground. It's up just in case we have any flooding or something um And so I have to step down, you know about a foot and a half to step on a cinder block wall cinder block Just a cinder block and then you know another half a foot down to the ground Um, so she we had she had to drag the cinder block out of the way pull the car around And have me sit down on the hood of the car and then kind of shimmy slide with her help to get me off onto the ground The last time this happened. Um, and that was about I don't know what two weeks ago I told chat about it didn't tell anybody else, but uh Um, but but I was fine after that like you know, I had a good night's sleep I had my gummy I was fine the next day So maybe that was the warning sign that I just completely ignored I don't know, but I was still good for a while usually when I go when my back goes out And I have a an event is what I tend to call it when I have an event I'm usually down for several days if not weeks. Um after that after the event and this time I was I bounced right back Uh, it's probably because I've been in such a good headspace that I have convinced myself that I'm okay to do things That I'm not okay to do and that's when you get yourself in trouble Um when you talk yourself into shit, so But anyways, yeah, I was I thought I was pacing myself biking. I was I did whatever So And another thing and chad knows this but y'all don't know this I'm just telling on myself Uh, maybe you guys can keep well, I mean You have no control over this because you guys aren't around but after the streams me and chad usually talk for a while um And it can be anywhere from like another five or ten minutes to One day we went three hours after we're talking And I don't need to be doing that. I need to uh every hour and a half at the Most I need to cry off and go do something else Speaking of which I'm going to go ahead and take a break and think about what I'm going to do today Um, I don't know if you want to share your your your stream your your screen chad You can Yeah, thanks for all the well wishes and everything Even though I told y'all y'all on discord. You didn't have to do that It was okay because I wasn't going to be around to see it like I knew I wasn't going to be checking discord So but I appreciate y'all anyhoo Uh, y'all read what chad's writing or doing and I'll be back in about 15 about 10 or 15 minutes Get off me gourd Be right Two chairs for whom shall we worship that that's the thing that's the thing I've been trying to tell you The chair is an idea the chair is not this chair the chair is an idea It is a concept it can be any chair it can be any place where you are seated I'm trying to tell you you got to listen to the prophecy to the to the prophet of the chair Telling you that the chair is not one chair the chair is all chairs It can even be beds It can be a bay window Because we celebrate all the things we do while seated Uh, it's gonna be a day Such a lonesome chair lonesome chair So who's out there working anybody else out there working right right right Right right right right right right right right right and projects outline too many loose ideas floating around needs cohesion And also just remember that the best ideas stay with you Sometimes just a necessity to write something down shows you that May or may not be worth saving Something to think about You don't want ideas that could last being overshadowed by ideas That are fleeting moments You think you could add I'm not exactly sure how this ring stuff works, but I added to where Shane Because I wanted to stretch out the struggle of this thing And show that more of the manipulation So I had him giving a single ticket Just he thinks he's gonna get this for three rather than splurge for 20 right right off the bat Is so unfamiliar with this Um And I was just gonna move stuff up But you've got um, you know I want to keep everything that's here and I really like this character that the dialogue and I I tried to use some of it too um I want to keep everything as is I just want It was hoping you could write like the what I don't understand the the colors and then the number really so I figured you You could just write it Well, let me let me let me give you some uh Take a weight off your shoulders. There is no purpose to the color of the rings Um, it's just that over the years Um, it shows it shows age of the carnival and how long they've been doing this Um, it shows that you know the the rings that she she does have they're all Mists matched. They're all they're dented the paints feeling on some of them so on and so forth But the the rings I just made up the color of the rings because it's always different colors going inward and I might even change it eventually But the color of the rings serve no purpose and The color of the bottles do Just because it's made to look like a target And uh I even know how the inside of these things work. I mean the it all It's open areas in between like I I know way too much information about these things um, so when the rings It's almost like a pool table when the rings fall in the area in between the bottles They slide down into a chute that are it's funneled into a chute that slides it out so she can collect them out of the bottom um, it's just like a pool table in that regard, uh so But the only thing that matters there the color is the only thing because I could just ramble off about how these things work But the only important part is that there's different colored rings and each one of those rings can and this is This was me trying not to get too convoluted Uh while also making the tickets and the cash convoluted because um, each Each ring will be a certain point system Like the outer rings one middle ring is Five the next ring is 10 and you have to hit a certain number to win Or you hit the middle one and you win the entire you you win the biggest prize if you get one ring in the middle That's the big prize no evangel butts about it, but it is also impossible to get that middle ring um as as We find out later on in there when he clocks The ring hitting and going on top of the bottle and just for a split second He realizes that the ring isn't big enough to fit over the bottle um Now what they usually do is they'll give you um and They'll give you rings all of a certain The all the rings are the same shape, but the tops of the bottles are not the the same size So you you can easily get ones maybe even a five here and there depending on you know Which bottle you hit, but they're all just like minute. It's like not it's like a centimeters difference Um that they put in there. It's the same thing I don't know if you've ever seen the test your strength things and not the ones with the hammers But the ones where you hang on to a bar It's okay. So it's you don't have to do a pull-up or anything You literally the only thing you have to do is hold on to a bar And what happens is you have to hang on this bar for 90 seconds And it's relatively easy if you have any upper body strength. You're just hanging right Well at about the 10 second mark if you make it to 80 seconds The bar they will unlock the bar and the bar will start to turn and you will just Automatically come off that the only way you can beat it is to tuck your thumbs in And hold on so that you you can maintain the the bar But all of these games are set up like that all of them are set up to where it's they get you to where you know You have Um either that or like in the rain toss the very last stack they give you Would be impossible to hit the middle one or whatever it depends on how many you buy Um and that that causes drama that causes the people behind you in line and the people watching going Oh, I can do that. He got so close. It's just like any you know casino or whatever It's a gambler's fallacy. Um, but there it's all of them are rigged in some way shape or form And the prizes are never worth what you pay for them um Because you can literally leave a carnival and go get a stuffed animal the same size for you know half Half the amount that you would you know, you would have to pay to to win the games um But anyways back to what we were talking about. Um, I can definitely make it I can I can make this stretch out The thing is I didn't want to get too um I didn't know how long first off this is a long ass chapter. Um, so I wasn't sure exactly how long you wanted to draw it out um, I'm fine with a long chapter, but uh And then there's more tension down in the paragraph where the thing literally lands on it and he notices that it's not big enough to go on it Uh, so that's another thing. Um, how much more do you want? I guess is what i'm asking because I can do another like two or three pages Actually that it's not that I mean it might be long in comparison to our other stuff, but it's really not a Like for a standard chapter. It's really not very long Uh, I would guess it's maybe four or five pages long six pages long like, uh Like on a on a book in a book Oh 100 100 she would not say this this ain't no easy peasy Uh 100 of the time they are going to be like you're almost there or you're you know, this is easy come on You can do this. They're they're always pushing the positive. But isn't but isn't she pushing for the um To sell more tickets Like he's just like I will give you one ticket It's still she does she doesn't want to the the thing is she wants the The rube In in in this position. He's the rube here She wants him to think that it's easy and when he's failing to see him to for him to see that as his failure And not a failure of the game So it would be a push to get under his skin to get to his ego to be like Oh, no, it's it's super easy or whatever he would say that they never say that it's hard It's like you're almost there or whatever. Um more tickets she could say yeah, of course, you know the chances What I would find a different way of saying this but it's like the chances are always better the more you buy You know that kind of thing, but they would it would always be a positive and never an easy Uh, sorry and never never a negative because they want you to stay there. They want to get that camaraderie with you They want you to feel you know, they want you to trust them. It's always positive okay But other than that you sure about that cat. Yeah, that's exactly that's exactly how they talk It's just it's just barker speak is all it is you try to rhyme everything Every fucking thing It just that's another thing that gets that camaraderie that feeling of you know inclusion in Is always yeah, it's just a very pleasant Even if it isn't a pleasant environment, it's a they try to make it a pleasant environment so that you feel welcome um Okay single ticket But I mean it is a good point you you bring up, you know, he would try for Yeah easy because she ends up saying easy as pie my guy and almost as and almost as delicious Um, so he would he would probably go with the three rings right off the bat It's it's funny because we the It's not a problem with the scene but the scene in and of itself Is quite convoluted because we have We have an unwinnable we have an unwinnable game we have I'll I'm just looking at the the layers of this of this scene. We got the character development of shantilly We also have the character development of the fact that sam likes this kid and shame likes her back and wants to He wants to win and then he doesn't win which brings them to their their close conversation later um, and this is a very It's a very layered layered scene. It's like it's one of the hardest scenes That i'm having i'm having a problem right wrapping my head around period and I know what where we're going. I know what we're doing it's I'm trying and again brain fog so You want me to extend Do you want him to go for the three? Yeah, I wanted to try for the try for the three because he because it you know, it's been described as easy. It looks easy He's just gonna got you know for the first time. I just thought it would be um Unreasonable for him to just dive in and grab as many you know and then and then um What was it she three or five for 20? I want to take it three for five for 20 Only only a buck for three trucks Five for 20 tries and then she changes it to the One ticket for three Or five for 20. What's the count count? So he would try the three Lose And then she can hustle him for more tickets after that. Yeah So that's what i'll do Yeah, okay breaking it down that symbol is Yeah, okay. All right. Let's let let's go Yeah, you don't have to add much. It's just I guess I was confused on the I thought color had something to do because I didn't read the whole thing I kind of skimmed and I looked at the color of the rings may mean absolutely nothing the color of the bottles means everything so It would just what I was denoting with the different colored rings is a carnival that's been around this long I would say only a carnival. It's only been around five years Would have lost rings broken rings damaged rings Also, it would be they they would not buy brand new rings. They would order them surplus, you know From wherever it's the same place they get their fucking teddy bears And those rings are not going to be, you know, the damaged rings just Are are going to be cheaper than brand new rings So it was just trying to add a little bit of development there for how long the carnival had been around That was but if you're getting stuck on that a reader might get stuck on that So I could do all white rings Um, and then we could get rid of that completely and then just have some of them were are worn and What not I don't know. Um I guess just just having emphasis on the color on the colors I could literally have something and right after the hang on i'm trying to find where it says what color they are is like, uh I mean, it's it's probably fine. I just didn't I just wanted to make sure I got the rules right that you've established Yeah, or when um If you You know just went and added, you know his failure at the three and then And then he he does get the 20 and then just leave the rest as as I guess You know, I could also do what Could also add a little more Hang on I'm I'm seeing something starts off with If he starts off with the different colored rings and she puts If the rings are all one color and then she sets a different color rings up there for The other ones those could be the ones that are impossible to win So he's got the three that he actually had the chance with but now he has Or yes, he has what I can't remember this one for three or something like that anyways And then the next set or are impossible for him to Him to hit. I mean, I could go as deep as you know them being them feeling different weights because that's a thing too um But they would they would like shuffle those together like some of them would be heavier so that you don't get um You don't get the same you don't get the muscle memory is what i'm trying to say You don't get the muscle memory of trying to throw it because some are heavier. Some are lighter Um, not that any of that makes any Difference, but it's again. It's just insider knowledge. Um Anyways, let me just get to work and we'll we'll we'll take it from there Okay, I'll be right back. All right Hang on, hang on, hang on. All right, we're gonna do some surgery here Okay, I think I think I got it. I don't know But if not, we will work on it again Do you want him to question why the new rings or I was just kind of I just kind of had him go with it but making a Making a mental No, no, I don't think I should question anything. He's okay Um, yeah, not until uh, I mean and then finally, um, what's her name gives, you know Fills him in Yeah Morning tam. Yeah, I'm uh, I'm doing better. That's some stuff on my mind, but I'm doing better My body's doing better, I guess. Oh, hang on. Do you recommend any office chairs? He uh, solvents Uh, the chair that I have is a $600 shack branded Chair that I got from office depot Um, but only because it is Rated for my weight Um, all the thing everything I found under $300 All of it was nowhere near my weight and then the next like series up Was rated for like 30 pounds Less than I weigh so it was closer, but I still didn't want to take the chance The shack chairs are are rated for 600 pounds. So that's why I went ahead and got that one But as far and it's it's the best chair I've ever owned But it would be ridiculous to recommend to you a $600 office chair Especially if you're a Not heavy Uh be You don't spend as much time in a chair as I do So there's there's multiple things to but definitely what you want is something that you're Not right off the bat feel comfortable. I suggest sitting in one or like a show a floor model And sitting there for a considerable amount of time Maybe as long as five minutes to see what happens after you settle into the chair And whether or not it is pushing on any of your Buttons, I guess it would be Like if you sit too long anywhere, you're going to feel pressure points And I would sit for at least five minutes and see if any of those pressure points cause you any discomfort I guess Is what I'm saying, but uh, I am a very heavy dude. I am 320 pounds and I've been as heavy as 300 Well, 410 but most recently 390 And I needed a chair that could hold that Before this and you guys might remember from my older videos, but I was in a steel Chair it had padding, but it was one of those like 70s office chairs that literally is made out of steel And while it was it held me it was not comfortable and I probably screwed up my back a lot Spending as much time as I did in that one because it really hit the bad pressure points I hope that helps. I have no idea what I'm doing today I guess I'm kind of on a hold until we figure out. I mean, there's several other like There's several other scenes that I could write but that's much farther into the piece So There we go. Okay, that makes more sense Hey, I want to change this Um, it said he said it was for a dog. Now. I'm not so sure. What do you think about just I'm not sure Just a single I'm not sure I'm not sure on the nose I'm not sure makes me think he's just like, I don't know but Now I'm not sure or now. I'm not sure so sure makes me think that he's thinking I'm not so sure anymore. What really happened like he's never even questioned it until she said right a grave for who? How about I'm not so sure anymore taste that see what you think Anyways, I mean it could be as simple as He said he said it was for the dog. He said it was for Our dog the dog whatever Well, if it's if that's all it is then it's just like an abrupt end to a conversation that never finished The the reason for the second line is to show that like Wait, we can but here's the we could I don't know that that one is definitely bothering me though. Um, he said it was for the dog Now, I'm not so sure. What is it? What is it that's bothering you? I don't know Or the now It's it's the it's actually the whole thing. It's just like I don't know it hang on Let me let me wrap my brain around this is like we could denote the now I'm not so sure by having him just trail off. It could be as easy as just he said it was for the dog ellipsis um Or any anything like I don't know it's just that that one part if I don't know it's it's kind of like what Multiple times you like this is you know, like this is a little too on the nose and you know, I agreed This one feels a little too on the nose for It's almost I don't know that he would say Like he's still I don't know. I I don't guess it matters, but I've been stuck on that ever since you wrote it Everything he spilled above it says even more You know, he spells out. He spells it out In the paragraph above it, right? That's that's why I think He's basically he basically says I think there was a body in the trunk That's why hunter's car was backed up, right now. We've got shibby's coloring books. This is probably cooter He's kind of saying all of that already right in his in his own head then I get that that's why I don't think we need as much as we need down there because she would start to question And it I don't know it just We could cut off the whole bit of dialogue and just end it with shibby's coloring books that I think that's I think that's exactly what I want to do like this Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that much better Is this is just a matter of me feeling something is wrong and not exactly knowing what I want to do Yeah, or what or what needs to be done period Um, and then just cut that or like, I don't know It was this is shit, but we're I hate getting stuck on stuff like this Like he repeats her question Yeah Yeah Anyways, we can we can move on. This is not something I want to get stuck on. It's just I don't know what it is about that But that I mean that would that would fix it That that would a hundred percent fix it a grave for who just the thought moving on I think that's that that's vague enough to make me happy because um The hell is that hang on I'll be right back I hear a loud I don't know what the fuck that was I heard loud like Blasted blown out speakers outside and I have no idea where it's coming from my property's empty Hey, hailey, uh, what if you have a drink and move on to another section from yeah, that's I think we got it Um, it was just I don't know it seemed to like like I said The only thing I can say is it felt it felt too on the nose um And it's fine. I guess it's fine. It wouldn't I don't know I'm gonna leave it alone We we got it the way it is if we decide to put it back we can put it back But I've read that I ever sent you ever since you first wrote it Um, I've been going back to it and I'm like something about that's bothering me And I can't even articulate what the fuck it is There it goes again It is either a blown out speaker or somebody's dump truck in the distance I don't know. I don't know where either one of those things would be coming from but anyways I was on mute Oh I thought you knew I kept checking to see if you were talking, but then I got busy reading I was I got so noon and I think we should cut off noon every every every session so that you know I agree with that and and I don't want to get burned out too Yeah I think that's why I haven't written anything really in the last couple days is because I started getting I started getting burned out. Well, actually what started it was I was going to clean up the blue section and then I'm like I don't know You know, I needed your help and then so I was like screw it. I'll skip down here and then I just I understand it's just like I don't know what the fuck to do today. Um, if I'm honest, I have no idea Like I could write it. Here's the thing. I'm not I'm and I've said this before over and over again But I just want to reiterate it. I'm not the type of person that Falls in love with anything they write the first time Um, I am always about word vomit always about just getting ideas out and coming back and I will I have been known to cut Upwards of 50,000 words from a book just to make the last line work and completely write the whole thing I don't get stuck on that stuff But the thing is also I do not want to waste our time collectively writing a bunch of scenes that um And this is once again It will not bother me, but I don't want you to have to waste your time going back and either fixing things or Uh, so I guess what I'm saying is I guess we do need to talk about what we want to happen in this carnival Unfortunately, I don't like doing that because it's going to take the fun out of it for me. Um, but Talk about, you know, at least some guideposts that we need to hit Yeah In here like I have a reason for the whole when I'm calling the fly trap chapters It's a triple chapter that's all basically the same theme, but I cut it up into three because it works better that way Um, it's a little more suspense and what the fuck is going on very weird interactions that kind of thing um But but the the whole point I'm once again just fucking rambling the whole point is I don't want you to have to go through nine chapters of shit and be like None of this works for me and I don't even We could fix it or we could delete it all and then it's not about my wasted time It's about your wasted time having to you know Because I obviously I'm going places That you don't like whereas you haven't gone anywhere that I don't like literally like the most conversation We've had about anything you've written was just now about that one line So what I'm getting at is I'm very easy to please and you have a very distinct vision So these two things are going to bump heads at some point even if we're cool about it. So I guess what I'm saying is do you want to stop now and start talking about what we want to do from here on out so that I actually have something to do Because I'm not going back and changing anything. You're right. Um, and the reason for that is because it works It's not because I'm like, oh, I'm scared to chat. It's because it works Um, and you are a much better Rough draft writer than I am because again, I just work on it I get the ideas out and that's why I'm not attached to anything because I do I edit myself more than anybody else So Where do you want to go after? Well, how about we how about we do this? We have outlined um Up until now Up until where we're at. I think we should outline again Because we were we were fine until we reached the end of our outline Well, the the thing is I could I could literally sit here right now and write 12 chapters with no problem With just like little independent things that we could go back and make those scenes work to whatever vision we have to go to Unless you would prefer me not to do that because in essence You know, you would still have your own scenes to write but in essence you would still have to make those scenes work with What you're writing But I do love the chaos and freedom of bouncing around to these different things and having like the whole middle section of the book Just a bunch of wild and wacky encounters um that feed into The getting to know instead of going to each one and being like, oh, hey, this is so and so Oh, hey, this is so and so, you know, just naturally introducing all the characters um and You know, we even talked about the ending and I didn't explain myself well enough for the ending that we talked about and you mentioned I don't you didn't Does the soup does them using their superpowers at the end? uh fit with a grit lick And I didn't explain myself properly It wasn't them fighting back against them with like blowing fire It was more like a quick scene with like a fire breather where you know, these the charles are walking through this carnival And they get to the they're starting to realize that things aren't going the way they expected and then I turn a corner And there's a fireball coming at them. I thought that was wacky enough to be You know to be fit but not like actually like fighting them just kind of funneling them into the place where They have set up something to protect shame So I wasn't talking about a whole like bombastic, you know war at the end. So if you thought that That's not yeah, I kind of pictured it as like We're writing this david joy book and then now we've got a scooby-doo ending. No, no That's not that's not what I was talking about at all Just like the just that one scene is something that I that I saw in my head But it wasn't going to be a battle royale with everyone using their their Their tricks, you know, that that I'm literally writing that book right now So I don't I don't want to write The same book twice. Yeah, um, uh, but keeping it down to earth enough Uh while still being, uh Engaging fun ending that is that is tense um So I I I guess one of the things that I'm having a problem with is I'm not good at expressing Vocally articulating What I see in my head I'm better writing it So it's so much easier for me to just get shit out But the but the problem and I I'm already seeing it is the the the thing that we've had so far, which is You having to rewrite so drastically That you could have, you know, just with the same information that's going on in my brain You could have written the the same scene 10 different ways than I would have written so, um We're we're getting to the same points But we have a different vision for what is so I What I'm saying is I'm fine With doing what I've been doing I like the spontaneity of it And again, I don't mind completely just trashing it and re rewriting but at the same time I am worried about Getting too far ahead and doing too much. So yes, if you want to At least guideposts. I don't want to go too much into, you know, this needs to happen here, but we need like An emotional signpost like we need to affect This reaction in the reader in this area To go here maybe some subtle basically like what you what you did where you said, uh foreshadowing that sam might, you know Not might not make it Things like that is an emotional goal a goalpost is what I'm what I'm talking about We can have goalposts without having plot or brain or an outline I guess more long lines of how do we get to this place? The thing is the only place that we need to get to here and which my brain is Fizzling out on is the only next real goalpost we have are the phone calls between uh Cassidy and Shane so Because we still need I just realized we still need the whole for some other reason I already thought he stole the weed not weed the the coke and he's already got it there That's why I was talking to you earlier about, you know Yeah, where's he gonna hide it? Yeah, where's he gonna hide it? And we still need that whole other section where he comes home um, I can go and write that but at the same time I don't know if you had that in mind or what about this yeah, I will off camera, I will write, uh like, um story beats Like an outline with one or two sentences per beat or whatever up until a certain point Um giving us enough for maybe the rest of the week to dabble in and then you can look over and see what you think Uh, see if you like it and it will include like I I was just thinking um I think this night is about done. I mean there's only so much they can do they've had a really cool conversation they're gonna have another conversation about Him being cheated out of that thing which I might actually squeeze in before things get uh You know where they find out more about each other Now they're in a fun house um And then I think randomly she she she I think maybe she should say You should come you should join us and he's like wait, what that's an I saw it happening completely Okay. Yeah, all right. Let me let me since that's what you see Let me throw out what I saw happening at this point is some kind of a almost Emotional goodbye like he doesn't want to go and she she she doesn't want him to go either But it's not a it's it's it's a goodbye, you know And that's when he gets home and he's like whether he finds something Something else is have what whatever but he gets back home and it's just that slap of realization That says I don't want to be here And now I have an option and he can remember her talking about how mingo let her join Saved her life that kind of shit That's what I kind of saw happening is like you've built up this beautiful scene with them hanging out And we can tug at the heartstrings drawing that out by having them have to have an emotional goodbye And then him going home and then him realizing man fuck this and just shows up You know as they're packing up to leave And you know she's She's rather she's she's tough. She's assertive Maybe have something along the lines of her Trying to hide how excited she is that he's back Uh, I don't know that or that he wants to come with her or with them or whatever so That that's what I saw not that that's what we have to do, but that's okay So it'll be like the two different camps just for that one scene. Yeah, I understand And that's how I used to picture it until I'm a few minutes ago and I'm cool with that sort of basically be Um the airport scene at the end of a come at the end of a romance True romance No, at the end of a romance the the airport. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And then he's running in a carnival Yes. Yeah, um I don't know now that now that you fucking said that I'm like I've done so many goddamn times. Maybe you're right. Yeah. Yeah, let's just go with your Because that's been done so much and that's probably why my brain went there first and I would go back and rewrite that because What the way what I call that thing is all left turns. You never want the reader to know what you're doing next so But I'm also warring with how anticlimactic it is that she's just like yeah come with us Versus yeah, I understand I get that I understand But I I like it just be I mean just talking about that I like the fact that maybe she's she's like Planning seeds and it was like maybe you don't go home. Well for anyone who reads the uh synopsis It's going to be anticlimatic no matter how we do it That's true because you're gonna say that you know that and even if they don't read it By this point, I think they're gonna catch on he's gonna join this He's gonna go with them which I'm fine with because that's this is about the journey and that You know, yeah, yeah um Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm fine with that Kind of think that there's a third option though But no matter what he needs to get back and get to coke and it's good at you know, no matter what that's the that's the end game so Yeah, I'll I'll think about it. But yeah, uh hit your story beats um off camera And here's a third option okay Because I literally got like a hundred different scenarios running through my head right now. It's like a fucking kaleidoscope So yeah hit me. Here's here's another one. I don't know if I'm sold on it, but it's just an idea Uh, and maybe they'll spark more. Uh mingle busts them He he he confronts. Yeah, he confronts her. He's like what's going on? You I saw you take the tickets he and she's like And then she's like She kind of plays that soft side of his heart and she's like He lives with coke fiends And he's blah blah blah and mingles like Do you want to be there again? Like do you want to be their kid? Do you really want to be there? And changing and we could literally we could literally end the chapter on that with mingo asking him do you really want to be their kid and then The next chapter would be him back at home and it would like fuck with people just for a split second before he finally is like Starts packing up or whatever. Maybe the the competition will will add some suspense too. You know, oh man, they got busted now What I love this because I I never would have thought of it all the other options I had running in my head had nothing to do with mingo and that solidifies how How mingo rolls is like he's more about saving people than he is about anything else And with her explaining that's another emotional connection with her explaining To mingo. Hey, you know, he's he's in a bad way. Whatever lives with lives with druggies addicts Whatever they treat him like shit. So yeah, I I like that more than either one of the other scenarios we discussed That is fucking beautiful. I love that. Let's do it. Okay. Yes But it is it it is overwhelming Um, and I'm trying to be as honest as possible here and it is overwhelming having This much freedom and I guess that's the problem is I could literally do anything. Yeah Anything with this. Um, and it's all a matter of hitting the right notes and Making sure that we stay on track uh Yeah, I I drank I drank I just drank I did while he was telling that I thought But I'll drink again. It's coffee. It's not like it's really hydrating Any, but yeah, I like that let's go with that and then you can do story beats off camera And I can come back and just tackle scenes and then you can finagle them how you've been finagling them Uh Beat them into submission and whatnot Uh But I do have at some point in time. I do have to go back and reread all of this Uh, yeah, we both do. Yeah, just to make sure that, you know, there's nothing that's been left out But of course, that's that's like a final draft kind of thing. I just don't want I'm worried that there's landmines in here That and just because I do it to myself all the time I'm worried that there's landmines and I'm gonna come back and fine and be like, oh, shit That changes everything toward the end and we might have to but I don't think that'll be a case because they were very insular That it's very tight like the beginning is all about this crazy family and everything There's really no breadcrumbs or anything and in the middle. There's not going to be any breadcrumbs either It's more about meeting all these people what I do not want a hundred percent do not want Is like a tour of the carnival with him going around meeting everyone I want maybe either not not a time jump or time skip or anything like that but him having one scenario where he ends up bumping into each and every person and To where it ends up evolving into a family situation where everybody Wants him there except for maybe buzzer, of course Um, and I think we talked about this before but buzzard having something to do with the climax Maybe he's the one who gives away Shane or whatever Um, whatever it might be maybe buzzard over here's a phone call or something any number of things because buzzard is our carnival antagonist And he's got to have more to the story than just the jealousy of you know He's got to have something to do with the ending So um, whatever you want to do there as long as we're on the same page about that Um, yeah, yeah, okay. All right as I know we discussed this in bits and pieces Yeah, these are the these are the things these are the struggles that come up when you're collaborating with someone it's It's the different visions because we're neither one of us are in each other's head and even with someone like me Who is completely easy about everything and doesn't care about anything that he writes um It still becomes overwhelming from my point of view because i'm writing so much and scenes are changing and Getting it all straight in my own head because I got my own mental shit You know the ADHD all that stuff having to Focus it'll be better with some kind of game plan now Whereas I thought it'd be more fun to just go off on our own and then meet back at the end um, but As much work as you've already been doing I see that being an issue later on because I am doubling you I'm literally doubling your work While I am just having fun at the carnival. So Yeah I think having uh some kind of uh You know Map some kind of outline to to have a direction um Will be helpful and you could still you know, it's still a sandbox Characters are still gonna pop up and be like hey, I just created this character. I think we should uh And I'm still gonna write paragraph after after paragraph of stuff that you get rid of I've already it's it's just going to happen Because for there's there's a couple reasons Even though I chat is no proof don't get me wrong, but I am far Far more vulgar than chat is that's one of the things that has been Very upfront since we started working together from the very first line that I wanted to write to what you know And I knew that it was too much. That's why I ran it by him um And I am all about just the the crazy weird sexual encounters or or Menacing situations that have an under undercurrent sexuality or weird sexual encounters. You haven't finished broad street yet I'm I'm no I haven't but but but it's like the whole roast beef sandwich thing that I was bringing up with the Yeah, the strong woman I go that well you've read south of here the entire fucking book is like that It's the every everything is one weird Sexual experience after another even if it's not a sexual experience There's some kind of deviant sexuality going on in every single scene of that book And I got to reel it in first off because I keep forgetting that our main character is only 16 years old and has no sexual experience whatsoever So that's an issue Whereas I'm also coming from a different Maybe maybe I don't want to assume anything but um, I was a sexual kid at 11 years old it was very weird and horrible situation, but So at a very young age The only thing on my mind was sex Um, and that was they at 11 years old before I had even like fully fallen into puberty. That's that's the only thing on my mind so um So everything, you know when when I'm writing younger people there's three things that they always do they're always A hypersexual they cuss Constantly and it is the most awkward cussing that you've ever come across because when kids cuss They're doing it trying to be you know Trying to be as offensive or vulgar as possible because they think that's the point instead of inflection And the third thing is they don't spend any time at home like they're I rarely ever have home Situations in there you have to have some but they're always out in the streets and that's Where I come from and those are the three elements So anytime I write about kids and that's also why I get a kick out of people going kids Don't talk like this kids don't act like this because I did you know It just goes to show that everyone has had some you know these experiences whether you've had them yourself or not Um, so I have to reel all that in with this piece. Um And it's it's been a fun challenge. Don't get me wrong It's just and I'm also my cannibal file for this is already seven pages long The uh, this is all the stuff that that I've gone too far Like there's several things you don't even know about that I wrote that I ended up moving over Because I knew it was going to be too much for you So I already have seven pages of another book all I'd have to do is change names and it would fit perfectly because I've been writing this other separate story While you're doing it. So I'm literally going to get two books out of this Anyways, I find that funny Um But yeah, I don't want to overwork you I don't want you getting burned out Trying to fix my mess. So our game plan is sound now You give me my my goalposts and I will hit those goalposts and then you know, we can come back together Uh anyways, cool All right Well, I'm gonna log and eat my lunch and then uh I'll probably play with my dog and my wife and then I'm gonna write this uh I'll start it on this thing and then I will make sure You know when it's done and you can look at it. Yeah, um, if you get it done tonight or early in the morning or whenever before our next dream Uh, I'll read it beforehand Yeah, I'll definitely have it done before Shoot me a text and that way I can get something in my head to actually come in here and start working tomorrow Um, but I can't express enough how great Today was Just based on People seeing us have an issue. Um, I like that this is public that people can see that even though we're both having fun Things still need to stay on track and making sure that everybody's on the same page um While I would have loved to just run a muck in this carnival. I am now seeing that that is an issue So, uh, yeah, I'm very happy with today We got a lot done today Even if we didn't get a lot of writing done today And that also enforces the idea that not all writing is writing So keep that in your mind everybody all six of you in here Those people watching the bots or whatever Just keep in mind that sometimes it is literally talking it out and not you don't have to have a collaborative partner for this You talk it out yourself also You run through all the options and you pick the best option Sometimes the option that you end up writing is still not going to be the best option And you can change that at a later date, but don't get obsessed with what you're writing Because it might change all that stuff lessons learned wonderful, but uh, that's all for today guys um We will there will be more writing tomorrow for those of you who like to watch us write Uh, but uh 9 a.m. Once again central standard time tomorrow, but until then I'll hail the chair. I forgot my outro. That's okay