 I mean don't twist my words. I couldn't physically go and do it, but I enjoy eating. I don't think about it. Are you all putting an effort into thinking about it because you're trying to make a change? Do you think your enjoyment matters more to you than an animal's entire life? That's a pig farm. Barrowing shed when they have their babies. Do you eat bacon? Do you like animal suffering? Do you like suffering animals there? Do you like eating animal cruelty? Imagine teaching your kid how to support animal cruelty like that. It's pretty noble of him. Hey brother, how are you? I think it's all used to working in an abattoir. Did you really? Why not? Talk to me about it. Don't be afraid. He can't comment. He worked in a pig abattoir. It's interesting that you would say that. If you didn't want to make it, why walk up and go, I can't make a comment because I've worked somewhere where you'd be really interested in. Go up and catch them. Why don't you just walk off and not say anything? He's deliberately wanted to tease us. That's what you pay for. Hey brother, how you going mate? Do you know what this is? Yeah, I work at a vegan restaurant. I do? Yeah, I'm a meatie myself, but I'm... What is this? A gas chamber, if I look to it. You know about gas chambers? Your friends at the restaurant told you about it? Yeah, just bits and bobs. So I know it's pretty cool. I'm not looking to like... I know it's bad and I know eating meat's bad and I don't need to hear about it. I just want to see it. You know it's morally bad to do it, to eat meat. Yeah, I know a lot of things that we do are morally bad. Do you think there's anything as morally bad that we do every single day as this? As a normal... The result of eating meat is like... A normal day to day person probably not. I mean there's a lot worse going on in the world. I mean that right there is pretty sick, it's not very nice but at the same time I can't exactly say anything as I eat meat. I would argue there's not anything worse going on in the world in terms of numbers. And good on you. Because of the numbers, like just statistically like there's 80 billion land animals and trillions of marine animals the suffering is unmatchable. We kill more animals in four weeks than the number of humans that have ever existed on earth. How could anything be anywhere near as bad as this? Not in terms of if you equated sort of calculating the suffering. He's taken the semen out of... They put an electro-jaculator in the male to force him to jaculate and then they get the semen and they stick it in the female. So they force them to breed basically. Yeah, they rape the cows to get her pregnant and then she has a baby nine months later and they take the calf away then they get the milk from her, that's how they get dairy. Are you recording all this? No, this is investigators all over the world, some in the UK, some in England. I've done a bunch of my own investigations as well. Yeah, yeah, I am in this a little bit. Yeah, I've been in a lot of UK farms. It's something that I'm definitely very interested in. Yeah, because you know, I mean, I always ask people like could you do this type of thing to an animal? Yeah, why not? I just wouldn't want to hear it, see it. Yeah, if an animal was pleading with you not to kill them you couldn't just kill them for a sandwich. No, well, that's what I mean. Don't twist my words. Just physically go and do it. No, but I enjoy eating it. So it's hard, you know, I'm just one person out of millions of people in the world. You'll never, you know, I hope you can do what you're trying to do and change what you're trying to change, but I enjoy eating meat. So did I. So did I, I used to love it too. But I didn't think that my enjoyment mattered more than what was course for me. And good on you, you know, and good on you for spreading your word for me. Do you think your enjoyment matters more to you than an animal's entire life? I've never thought of it like that. Because what type of enjoyment... You can be happy without me, let's face it. There's heaps of better things than eating meat in life like family and friends and really good experiences. So really it takes nothing much away from you. But what does it take away from the animal? Loads, yeah. Everything. It causes them extreme suffering. It takes away their entire existence. More a bread into existence to suffer. And this is just, we're talking about enjoying meat which is really like taking away, you'd still be happy mate. Of course you would. You'd be strong, you'd be happy. I'm not saying that. I've been brought up on it. I've been brought up on me. I've always eaten it. I enjoy the flavours. The texture, the taste. I'll get it. I'll get it. And I work in a vegan restaurant and it's the type of restaurant because they really do try and give that substance, that feeling in your mouth when you're eating it. That's what you would if you were having like, you know they do like buffalo chicken wings, or buffalo cauliflower, which would obviously be buffalo chicken wings. And they do. And I just don't get the same flavour. And that is it. That's the simple reason. I enjoy that. So it's a flavour. Yeah. Could you imagine, right, say aliens come here and they land it on earth. And they go, what the hell are you doing this mass murder of animals? And we said, it's because we like a certain flavour. I know. I know it sounds bad, doesn't it? Do you think it's just a, do you think that those things, like if you put it on a scale. It would probably happen and I'm sure we probably wouldn't be able to stop it. So, yeah. We could do these things like this. Could you imagine if aliens were raising us to slaughter us for a flavour? Yeah. It seemed pretty crazy, man. Like, I would never, I would never do this. Like, I certainly wouldn't live on a farm and raise cattle to kill a man. Like, not that that makes me a better person. I just don't feel, I've got a dog. Like, I just don't feel that I would be able to go into a job and kill animals. You've got a dog. Yeah. So, that's interesting, actually. So, let's just say there were dogs. You know what dogs are like, actually. They've got a personality. They come, all these animals are similar in intelligence to dogs as well. They've all got personalities. It's just they've only ever known suffering. Right? But if you get them in the right scenario, they can be themselves. And they, chickens, ducks, turkeys, cows, pigs, lambs, they all are like dogs in there. They're similar, very similar. So, if there was a dog on the other end of your decision, say you go in, you buy a burger, you know a dog's getting tortured often and having the head cut off for the burger. Would you do it? I mean, is it because it's a dog? No. But let's just say the flavour was the same. Was a little bit better even. Was a little bit better than the flavour. Let's just say it's 10% better than any meat you've ever had. And you just thought, ah, ah, ah, ah. I know, but then, when this, that, probably, you would do it. Because when Wagyu came, like when everyone started rearing up about Wagyu, the new steak, and it's the new flavour. Yeah. Everyone moved on to Wagyu. When a new meat, and it tastes better, just because it's called dog, that would be the one reason why people would say no. If it wasn't called dog, I guarantee people would be in there. But do you see there's a disconnect here? Because now we're going, it's just dog meat. But I'm talking about, there's a dog. Yeah, yeah, I understand. They don't want to die. They're screaming, yelping in pain and getting executed, having their skin torn off of them. Yeah. That's the result of buying it. See, people always, they just go, there's the meat, there's the Wagyu, but you forgot about the cow and the head getting cut off. Yeah. I don't think about it. Of course. You're putting effort into thinking about it because you're trying to make a change. Personally, I work six days a week, I feed people vegan food, I put a lot of effort into the food that I serve people. I'm interested in it, I enjoy it, I like learning different ways of coming up with them sort of textures. Yeah. But I just won't ever go as far to say, I don't believe, who knows when I'm 60, I'm only 30. I don't believe that I'll go as far to say that I won't stop eating meat. That's really sad. It is, you know. What do you think it would take? For me to stop, I don't know, probably watching 24 hours of this show. What if they put, what if in an alternate universe, they put you through 40% of what animals have to go through in order to become your sandwich? This is what I'm saying. These scenarios that we can say, what if we could do this, I imagine a lot of people talking. I'm trying to get you to like, empathize or put yourself in the position, oh, that would be pretty bad. I mean, if you put all these in a position where they're raping you to make you have birth, have kids, or you're in a knockbox and you're about to face your death and you just are, yeah. Yeah, gas chamber's horrible, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty nasty, but again, I see this, but I will still go home tonight and I guarantee you my main meal will have some sort of meat substance. Yeah. Yeah. But good on you for not. Yeah. Good on you for not. Is the disconnect, brother, hey? Yeah. Anyways, take care, bro. No worries. That's what disconnect does, but hey, he can easily just plug in and plug out. That's interesting. Never met someone who works at a vegan restaurant, cooks vegan food, feels bad for the animals, but won't stop eating meat. But, you know, they're the famous last words of someone who will go vegan. I will never go vegan. Yeah. Hey, guys. Oh, really? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Hello, how are you? We went vegan about seven, eight years ago. Oh, really? Yeah. In 2013, I went vegan. Okay. Yeah. We watched, I think, was a conspiracy. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. That was like the starting point from there. Wow. Yeah. I thought I recognized you, so. Yeah, yeah. I ran down because I thought, oh my God, they're watching the gas chamber footage. I've got to go tell them about it. Oh, it's horrific. Yeah, and I think people don't realize how intelligent animals are. Like, I work with animals. Oh, really? And from like birds all the way to alpacas, they all have their own personalities. People realize. I know. Then we give them credit for even, you know, the. Exactly. Yeah. So I think, yeah, I think more people need to just understand what's going on and then just make the. They need to connect to the animals, you know? Absolutely. Yeah. Because now they see them as food animals and they don't, it doesn't matter if they get treated a bit cruelly here and there, like that. I don't think they understand that it's like how bad it actually is that there's like an individual in there. Well, we, for us, like where we work, we have a section with like loose roaming animals. We've got our own sheeps now back there. Oh, wow. And like when the guests come and they start interacting with the animals, you just see this moment where they go, I literally had no idea. How smart they are. You know, sheep can recognize a human's face for up to six years. Oh, wow. Yeah, you work with them. Each sheep knows our different personalities. So they know who you are. Yeah, exactly. So. It's crazy. When you, yeah, make that connection. And we know each one likes a certain thing and then like one likes his heads being scratched and stuff like that. So like, when you know that, when you work with animals, you can never, never even think to eat another animal ever again. I'll share your video with us. Oh, that's good. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Take care, guys. Nice to meet you.