 lake祖 le , le mar le le le le le le le le are going for the pvc you must love the nigerian youth right now this is why the clear challenges around pvc collections voting and insecurity in the country you can tell that these generation of nigerian youth are more politically inclined and ready to participate maybe even more than their predecessors so however is the ballot enough right that's the question to change and drive good governance now please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an sms or whatsapp to zero eight one eight zero three four six six three you can also tweet at us at wayshow after one uh with the hashtag wayshow all right so i mean this is a very interesting conversation right um the idea of linking the ballot to good governance in nigeria now is it us like is it wishful thinking or is there actually you know a possibility or a chance for better governance right um through the ballot do you do you agree that the ballot can do any good for us okay i'll go so personally i think it's kan right i strongly believe that it can if used wisely so like i said i was saying earlier i said my ballots are stronger than the bullets around linkon said that even my comic said the same thing that ballot is your ballot is is so much power imagine it's like having a catapult and you know you want to shoot a bird and then you instead of using your catapult to shoot the bed you then want to pick up a random object around you i mean you have the catapult in your hand why not just use it and you know hit your target so i think the ballot is actually it's possible to use the ballot rather for us to drive good governance okay how about you dela yes i do agree as well but however i would say that um it is also important that um we have the right knowledge in order to be able to make informed decisions when we are using the ballot you know to and then again it doesn't stop at the balance you know there is the responsibility of the citizens you know to ensure that there is good governance it's not i think the mistake we make is we think our work stops at the ballot okay i voted and that's it i'm done we don't go back to say that okay now you are here this are you meeting this you said you are going to do this have you done this are you representing me well i mean are you implementing policies that are serving me and until we do that i'm not very sure that the crop of leadership that we have would understand that they're actually accountable to the people who actually put them there so we must go beyond the ballot to ensure good governance absolutely um so for me i think is a mixed feeling for me because yes the the ballot can be powerful but uh the Nigerian system still i still struggle a bit in my head to see how we can use just the ballot to deliver but that is me just being me right let me bring in our expert now daily priority me is a retired legal practitioner author two of two thought provoking and insightful books do not die in their war and the imperatives of the Nigerian revolution the spokesperson currently of the labor party presidential campaign 2023 presidential campaign for southwest region so he's a very passionate Nigerian and is also very passionate about the birth of a new Nigeria in his jointers live via zoom thank you so much mr farotimi for joining us thank you very much for having me it's a pleasure to be with you a good evening ladies good evening sir welcome to the show all right so i mean this conversation we will continue to twist it and turn it and you know mix it up and all of those things but hey we've been talking to you for a while now and 2023 we've been shouting 2023 2023 is finally here and 2023 is the year where we as Nigerians will go to the ballot and you know try to see how we can um what's called use our power to drive good governance because all of these things is not so much about the politics of the game right the politics it's more about the governance system which we have seen that there's a huge failure right in Nigeria so i am wondering can can we truly see this ballot structure drive good governance in Nigeria because it seems like in Nigeria everything you might need to get to that point of maybe force or something for us to be able to get certain things done given the history right it's not it's not likely that it seems like our leadership can reason you know to certain kinds of all you can you can draw up empathy or talk to their conscience or something so now i'm thinking is is the ballot structures truly effective in driving good governance i mean that's why we had to bring you to come and help us break it down see here the first thing the ruiners of Nigeria would want you to do is to believe that the ballot is useless that is the first thing they want you to believe in actual fact even those who should facilitate the exercise of your franchise inek would do everything it can to make sure that you do not exercise that franchise so the system is designed to alienate you from your ballot but that is without prejudice to the fact that for as long as human society has transcended away from bearing arms to enforce will and we have built society and ours is supposedly one that is found on democracy democracy it means that they have to pretend that our votes count and we have a unique moment in history you and i have been having these conversations for some time and if you recall i more or less predicted this moment in our discussion last year yeah i told you that a leader would have to emerge behind whom the people would be inspired to kill and that is only when we kill behind the leader who has the vision and has the capacity to communicate this vision in relatable terms that the average man on the Nigeria street can understand and relate to that is at that point that we would have what i then call the revolution some people expected that revolution to happen with people wearing bearets maybe more people looking like me carrying the appear quoting calm acts and learning well the one that is leading this particular revolution is busy quoting statistics is a rank capitalist but he is the one behind whom all of us have elected to kill because we recognize that we must find a different way forward so you find very easily that the ballot in Nigeria is the only choice you have if you are not going to carry a gun and since there are more of us who prefer not to carry guns in order to demand change because in Nigerian state you must be careful to understand but prefer that we embrace violence and carry guns even when people did not embrace violence that they merely protested peacefully they were killed it was in the immediate aftermath of the ensar's protest the panel's report that i started speaking with you i told you at the time that we we encourage the people to go and register to vote so that they will use their ballot since they can no longer protest on the street they will protest at the ballot boxes that is what you see coming up in 40 days time so the ballot matters and that ballot with our participation the lady was very clear that she spoke about the place of knowledge in the choices the electorates would make people like myself have been busy backing and making noise and trying to let the people understand the issues so that they can connect it so that they would understand that elections have consequences so that they would understand that if the ballot were to be truly as useless as the system would have them believe that it is why are they buying it why are they bringing talks to chase them away from exercising their rights why is it that all of a sudden apc councilors and house of assembly members who had never remembered the existence of the people are buying data from i next staff and they are busy texting people personally i'm sure some of you might have received those text messages why is it now they suddenly remember the existence of the citizens the ballot matters and it is a plausible path to delivering change when the leadership is right we are blessed to have an inflection point but let nobody tell you that the ballot does not matter if it does not matter how they give time for that apc is giving people up and down the place because they have gone to register would they be giving it don't let them disparage the vote it matters and it is what will chase them away from power awesome well said actually thank you go ahead okay so um very interesting that you have said this and then you actually agreed with adiola about how their electorate needs to have the knowledge to be able to make informed decisions so i was going to ask you do you think that nigira is actually over that nigirans as a whole now are actually ready that's the way well let me say this to you i think i have said this to her before i was on this show and i recall making clear that i said since 2018 i think it must have been i have february 2018 that if tinubu wins in 2023 election i will leave nigira that was in 2018 most people make the error of thinking that that was born out of any care of fear for bolema tinubu and his talks he has nothing to do with that is a function of the fact that i wouldn't be able to live in a society that would have found the grace to elect such a person the people we elect are reflections of who we are we have spoken at length about the evil nature of our rulers but we cannot readily excuse ourselves because even though our democracy is not perfect we have tolerated evil and become acculturated to it we've completely forgotten about values so this for me this coming election is not about is not really as much about electing a president or the other ones the governors the house of reps assembly and the senators is not really about that is about us as a people as a collective who are we what do we really hold dear what kind of people are we we we've hidden behind the rulers for too long we've blamed our woes on the pinkish consultive men whom we have elected as rulers over our country for too long we have we have blamed our woes on those one we've blamed between them as though they are the reasons we are where we are but the truth is we should really look more closely in our own mirror when we begin to look for the reason why Nigeria is the way it is because we are the ones who go to the polls the INEC officials are Nigerians each and every one of the policemen the soldiers they are Nigerians they didn't come from Tobu these are the people we have chosen 2023 is a not clear and we have no excuses is a clear choice between light and darkness i have no hesitation in describing both Attifu and Sinopu as twin us men of the apocalypse there is nothing about them that inspires hope or change if anything they seem like the sort of forces that consumes life drains out the energy these are old men who should be sleeping somewhere if they have anything they should be paying penance and they are advising people about how not to govern how not to amaze how not to consume but they still want to be part of the narrative into a future that they have already destroyed in conjunction with the disaster that they have to enthrone in office in 2015 so i don't understand how anybody will tell me that they use their god-given brain and we as a collective ended up with either attifu or a milokon even though it is us it is our turn it is our turn as Nigerians Peter is merely a totem we the Nigerians we are the ones who are demanding that our country cannot continue to be like this we can continue to be a reproach in the world a very rich country and yet you are talking about six that's 63 million is a life double it we are more they are far more people when you already have about 16 million children slapping the streets without any training these are children of school age they are not in school you have children who have people who are already in their late teens early 20s who received no education of any sort the only thing they know how to do is to beg to steal they are already largely drug addicted and then some old men the crappy old men with no record of good service they coming forward they want to take 20 no a milokon this one is not about any this is about us the the ones nobody hears the tattoo on the street is our turn it can't be their turn anymore it can't be their turn let's even see we can rescue this country from itself but the people i believe are sufficiently motivated and they know and they they've come to connect these issues they've come what you see somebody sleeping in front of the place he might look like his kid but there is a there is a serious content to it absolutely and the seriousness of the content is that in reality you are going to have to recognize that we are either going to have this conversation with our ballot or some people who are crazier than those of us advocating the ballot they'll drown out our voices eventually when we might have been silenced because the system cannot find room for our demand for change these are people's demands and we are only asking people to exercise their powers at the ballot all right so i was going to say adela i mean quickly i mean you throwing your question and i'll come back again okay so before i ask my question let me quickly say that um there's a quote i saw somewhere it says that um you cannot talk you cannot preach god to the poor you can only do that through bread you cannot talk god without bread to the poor person and i think that that's in in itself swells i mean you really cannot give what you do not have if you do not know that i mean things certain things need to be in place so it's easy for some people to actually justify and say that oh i think you know though you know things will just be easy or i see cool things will be easy oh but which i will be says you know the average person and that's my own question that's what has been done i mean before now to ensure that the average person on the streets at the grassroots level understands what these three people bring to the game but that's on one side not my question is are there um is there um how would i say are we truly prepared to ensure that the integrity of the voting process it's not compromised i mean it's easy to say that i mean we're all going to come out in droves to come and you know cast our votes and all that and the one who see those people they won't be violent in the process so who is going to protect the electorate absolutely deliver to me you want to come in well uh let me say this one of the first things that they've done actively over the years is to disconnect the people from the process they do everything is a systemic wave of attack they suggest it to you in the media they tell you how your votes do not count they want to reek already they were already reek the election why do you bother your votes won't count oh they won't they won't work was the point they are all the same they've used all these over the years and the people have had become disconnected from the process they became so disconnected that in the last election the last presidential election you are trying seven point something million people voting even though you are the total of you are the total of 84 million registered voters in 2019 you had only 27 point something voting so it meant only a third voted when you have that number of when you have that level of disconnection from the electoral process it renders it that much easier for the active merchants in the system to hijack that system vote buying works better in that system hijack vote hijack works better but we now have a situation where there was a balance of terror achieved mutually assured destruction and that is what has led to the 2020 electoral act that amended electoral what you have today is a situation where the mere fact that the people have reconnected themselves to the process has now meant that it's going to be that much more difficult for the active buyers of votes those who have tried to chase people away from using their powers so it then means as we have pointed out that educating the voter becomes of primary importance now my people have the proverb they say you are there you haven't suffered and you say you are wise you're lying to yourself several and they have years almost eight years of worry has been a horrifying experience for everybody both the rich and the poor that you have money does not render you immune from the disaster called worry if you have money insecurity is there for you to contend with i used to travel to ibadon like i was going next door as bad as it was over the years but in the last two three years i would have reputation going out of Lagos even going beyond their pay here is a problem talk less of ibadon so i'm not too sure that a lot of people require too much encouragement to understand that there are consequences to vote so if anybody is telling you that there is because of tinumbue or is because of this the article gave me this or that one gave me this frankly speaking yes they can blame the weaponized ignorance that have been unleashed on Nigerians for a long time to an extent but i think when you have experienced the level of hardship that we have seen no matter who you are Nigeria has not been kind to anyone except those in power in the last seven and eight years it hasn't been kind it's not just about money in every way if you have money you are going to be killing for fuel you are in traffic there is just too much pain everywhere you turn so that has been a concencrating factor i imagine that we will still have those that you can rescue from the ideosis there is nothing anyone can do about that but i think to a very large extent Nigerians are sufficiently awakened in this common election absolutely so i was going to ask you you know as a retired legal practitioner right yes i had to mention that you know now that the now that the there is we know that the only system that we have in anything that semblance of good governance or whatever in Nigeria is the ballot i want to ask you in in in the real sense of the ballot structure at his stands where does the power of the ballot start and where does this stop because you see i hear all the time people have elected so we because whatever happens now i am very sure that it's not going to stop till eight years after so if it is for good it is eight years after if it is for bad it is eight years after and i keep wondering is that where the power of the ballot stops you are smiling but i'm just thinking you know i am i am smiling because i think Nigerians first in their seat belt were about to enter a rather momentous season in our lives i'm excited you know growing up i thought everything that could be done had been done already somebody already discovered the niger even though the natives showed him the niger somebody is ready the richest man in nigeria and that's not likely to ever be made i'm never to become famous for anything but all of a sudden there is the opportunity to get a new nigeria and i'm excited about it the truth of the matter is that if by the grace of god mr peter gregro be wins the presidency so what like me you know i've told you i'm a revolutionary i'm not looking for political office i'm looking for change i'm looking to see a country changed there is not everybody who is looking for what i'm looking for that will carry guns i have no guns to carry if he wins it means that the nigerian people have managed to find a way to have their will expressed but we will hold him to account it's not just that he will win and will be clapping for he said eight years there is no eight years if he wins he gets his four years to prove to us that he can do it if he cannot do it we will be sure to hold him to account because i'm not looking to go into anybody's government i'll be right out here and i'll be right out here i'll be here to hold him to account at least he says he will make the rule of law have you when we are protesting on the street i expect that the commander in chief of the armed forces will respect our wishes and our rights and he will not dare to have them kill us like gwari and all these apc people who had them shoot innocent nigerians at the leki toe gate at obigo in kapan chance area the share that are really killed like goats that's because the lord does not come to nigeria we are not citizens so that happens let directly beat up bill win first and then tell us that he will not do all the things he has promised or at least we see him trying his level best to get it done and we'll then see who will stop him and we the citizens will not mobilize onto the streets of nigeria is our country our look on and the intention is to make sure that whoever wins power is going to be responsible to us he is going to be responsible to us so i assure you he's not a magic bullet he's not going to happen overnight he's a process but we good leadership honest or touristic visionary leadership nigeria is rich enough both in human and material resources to become a first world country in three generations it doesn't require more than that it does not and it's not rocket science it's just honesty or tourism the readiness to work for homes not for a few that's all that it requires and i'm telling you look my next birthday i'll be 55 there is nothing that will please me more than to die in the knowledge that these things were achieved in my lifetime or at least we started that journey in that direction whilst one is yet alive other than that what what is left so please don't worry yourself let's get this let's get over this or do first and then let's see what happens next is our country all the children look i don't know if you guys are i don't know how many kids you lot have but i said this as a fact i know none of your children are in government schools why you all went to government schools all of you went to government schools i can almost bet my last time that you went to government schools up until university but none of you send your children there that's because the state has already failed we're the ones subsidizing the state's failure if we don't rescue it now does it mean that our children would have to send their own children to primary schools in Ghana or what's going to happen or we'll be spending all of our salaries educating our children and once they are about about to enter secondary school we start begging or doing bad or what we have to rescue our country okay you know the thing is actually interesting because the the thing i hear you say this and i i keep on saying that the kind of system that we have in Nigeria i don't want us to eat there's any systems well people yeah that's the truth right and so if there's any mistake or because truly i believe that this is a time that would determine whether Nigeria would truly come out of you know years of because i mean it's really appalling the other day i saw a link that we have been our our passport has been further brought down to some ranking that i refused to read you know because i was just a bit like upset that how much more can we take as Nigerians right we go outside of the country and we're doing exceptionally well and where we are supposed to be thriving as a country we do not have the you know the the what's called that that that plain field to be able to thrive not because we are not brilliant not because we're not exceptional people just because we do not have some semblance of of what's called visionary leadership that understands the potential that Nigeria has and can place Nigeria on the world map for positive lights not where we are today so i mean it's quite interesting that the conversation is is unfolding but you see the video of the young man that sat on the on the floor and was you know talking about for for how many hours that they've been seated only five voters cards right had been issued up until that point i mean that is very instructive it tells me that you know so while we are shouting and and clamoring for the ballots let us go on to the ballots and all of that i mean i was speaking to someone today she was saying to me that the three times she attempted for capturing she that she actually felt sick she was rushed to the hospital she felt sick so at that point she said she's no longer doing it so there's still a big problem you know so and if these people have successfully you know suffocated the process of that ballot system even though yes i i strongly agree with you that they are they are feeling that agenda that the ballot does not work so that they can actually you know at the end of the make do what it is that they want to do and have their way with the ballot structure and corrupt it but you see they have suffocated the system so much that even the people that will be the drivers of this good governance of the drivers of change via the ballot they are all frustrated you know so how do we even say that we want to change the system how do we rely on that system how do we see that happening because and all of these that is happening a lot of people are saying i'm going to leave the country i'm going to leave the country if peter or b does not win because that's the that's what the young people are looking out for what then happens if it doesn't win would there be violence would i'm just a bit you know unsure and just you know like you're floating you don't know what's what's going to happen well some people have a brief to depress the voter's expectations is their job to ensure that you are despondent to the point of believing that the vote would not matter and that the system has already assured the negative outcome regardless of what we do but i remember i remind you of something i think he was the same emilokon in the leaked video he was explaining to his band of whatever and he said to them power is not granted ala card you'll grab it you'll grab it that is how you but the man was telling the truth power is not giving ala cards those who desire change understand that they must stay the course sometimes they must die before they go into the battle die to all of your fears die to the threatened consequences die to the inconveniences that is how you go into battle to win you die to your fears it is not like you are unaware of them but you die to them those people went to sleep or showed a readiness to sleep in the place they were showing how far they were prepared to go to defy a system that had been rigged and designed to prevent them from exercising the right that they were determined to exercise now it might interest you to note you know i told you earlier i said only 27 point something million voted out of 84 million registered voters in 2019 if all we do in this election is double the number of people who voted in the last election which means that we are not even dealing with the newly registered voters and all we are asking is that more of the people who are already registered and did not vote should go out to vote if that is all we achieved who would have achieved the revolution in 2023 because the only reason we are aware we are is because the people had become completely disconnected from the process they had become disconnected disenchanted they could you see there is cause and effect but our people have become so focused on survivor because of the existential poverty that had been unleashed against them they had become disconnected with the fact that elections have consequences and when you abandon governance to fools you will suffer the arena and that is exactly what has happened now that we have a totem sat in our presidency and we have all sort of dances and morons populating our congresses and government houses i'm not abusing them i know this sounds abusive but i'm merely describing the quality of rulership that we have endured over the years because that is the only thing that could possibly explain the ruination of the blessed country to the point where it is today so if the people understand that elections have consequences they go and sleep in high neck office that the persons that you have highlighted if and when people understand that elections have consequences you find situations where those who had abandoned their pbc and detached themselves from the process they will reconnect themselves because they understand that whether we want violence or not some people are determined to change Nigeria from this ruinous state in which it currently exists not all of them speak the language of peace not all of them are interested in the ballot too many of them are already disconnected from the ballot all they want is to tear this country apart 2023 represents probably the last opportunity we would have as a people to freely express our will and demonstrate the direction in which we want to travel into the future or whether we want to raise into the ruinous past this is a choice that has become patently clear and i'm not sure that any reasonable person in 2023 can say that they couldn't choose they didn't know for the first time we actually have more than two candidates is not just the letter y of the same family in two branches pdapc no for the first time we actually do have a choice is and it's not a thought for the second force because the choice between atiku and tinobu presents no real choice really so for the first time thanks to god we do have a choice so as far as i'm concerned 2023 is not a tea party is not going to be easy the system is being act to kill itself is in is not in his enlightened selfish interest to die so it is we who want change that must be on yielding in making sure that we continue to insist on change we will continue to insist to pick our pvc if you like lock the place we'll sleep here when we pick that pvc on election day when we are you that pvc then there are pvs of vivas the way they say it must work you must accredit all of us show us every one of us must see when you finish you count it in front of us all of us easy and then we know the resource from that place not that you go and do is on coalition center the local government coalition center so there are so many things that has happened that if we ourselves understand that this is the last chance for us to avoid carnage in our country let's connect ourselves regardless of the inconvenience the system does not want to yield is up to us to insist on a change absolutely all right so um oh we lost good evening my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying hey daniel happy new year to you all the ballot and the drive for good governance it is high time the voice of the youth and the and their vote count enough of depriving the youth of their own rights at equal untenable should go unrest because this is not the time for old men the both of them should retire from politics and give fresh blood a chance these people are desperate to be president and they know that they cannot deliver i am tired of watching repeat shows ah sorry oh thank god the live show is back i have missed you ladies a lot good to have you back my name is daniel illo always well we missed you too but you see why we didn't start early but quickly let's take more comments okay this is um austin from delta states he says um nice to witness your first edition after the break thank you very much kudos ways the new looks starting from the signature tune the setting all noted with joy happy new year and happy your back on the topic on the topic ballot is just a step but with informed and knowledge based on the choices made matters okay because um i'm yet to be convinced that the electorate will will ensue ethnicity religious bigotry and knack for financial inducements forget the euphoria after the election less citizens civil society groups and the fourth estate of the realm rise and closely monitor governance and be courageous to raise alarm and point to the right direction when necessary god bless Nigeria thank you very much okay this one says still i really want to thank god almighty for your honesty sincerity openness and truthfulness of your contribution in this topic today i pray for god almighty to bless and keep you you're very correct it is our fault as the poor masses in continuing to bring sick and immoral individuals corridors of power to lead us in such our action shows that we the poor masses do not really know what we want or we are very sick and immoral as the people we bring to power to lead us we need to change this whole rubbish we have come of the aid to do it this time in this country not only that we want to elect them but we also demand good governance from the people we elect we all must learn to be on the streets to demand for any change we want and this is from sanctis thank you sanctis thank you sanctis so daily for us to me you are the spokesperson for the labor party presidential candidate for south west region tell us why you think your man peter will be even though a lot of youth are really excited about the freshness he brings to the elections this 2023 and you are hopeful tell us why you think he's truly the right man for the job i mean you said this in several quotas but i need you to tell our own ways people why well um because i recognize the pivotal moment in which we have found ourselves i'll make no mistake about it 2023 is an inflection point in the life of nitrius i also know in recognition of the moment and let me go a little bit break ahead those who read their bible more regularly they will know the proper references for a sale that it is giving to the children of ishaka to know the size of the times what i know and i've been saying this and i said it on your programs is about two three years back i said that it is the tone of indigo i said that i have i didn't know what would indigo be so i thank god that indigo has proven to be a man who is worthy of my support and of the support of the host of other worthy nitrians as well so i recognize that in 2023 one man is not going to make the problems disappear but he takes a driver to move a car and those who have driven us in the past have had absolutely no idea of where they are going and warriors shown clearly the consequences of entrusting a carpenter with a car to repair he has damaged he has made a rotten situation even worse tomorrow so tomorrow from him reality is that peter obis the only person who knows where we need to be going as far as i'm concerned and how to get there absolutely in this point in this moment in time they say follow who know road follow who know road all right on that note deliver with me i would like to invite you again to the studio because again there's a part two to this conversation i would like us to have there's a structural systemic problem that i think that you know given from his his leadership under i mean as governor in anambra state right what structures you know can can we see that was built that you know continued because again that is another basis that people are trying to compare his candidacy and that of me because if you like there's a structure so maybe we'll do a part two of that conversation yes we'll do a part two thank you so much for your time you always honor our invitation and we are really happy about it we also went to the streets thank you now we went on the streets to hear what you are saying but we're going to have that conversation tomorrow we will talk to ourselves we'll hear from our people on the streets we'll do a part two of this conversation tomorrow where we'll also hear what you are saying on the streets and we have our very own dammi on the street she will bring us the reports that she went to you know to gather today but thank you chinello thank you um diola we had a fantastic conversation thank you again deli faro to me now before we go do ensure you follow us on all our social media platforms that waste your africa you can interact with us further drop a comment and most importantly follow all our engagement on social media like share and invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation now if you missed our quotes today we're saying that if we don't vote we are ignoring history and giving away the future it's as simple as that right so whatever it will take for you to go out there i have my pvc chinello has a pvc this has we all have our pvcs right whatever it will take for you to get your pvc and vote you are securing your future so this is the time to change our history we'll see you guys tomorrow at 8 p.m live as we bring another great conversation to your screen enjoy