 So I know I'm starting a minute or two early, but I figure if you're hanging around this long to keep listening at app developer con Thank you Thanks very much for making this a really awesome and exciting day where I don't think I've been to a cube con day where most of the focus has been on not here's this cool thing that I built look how it works, but instead on here's how Other people will build on top of this cloud native stuff that we have to produce stuff that changes the world and so I'm gonna try to get through this so that y'all can get out of here and go see the friends you've been waiting to see or catch the lightning talks or other stuff like that First of all, I'd like to thank Diagrid and red hat for sponsoring this and making it possible to get all of you here We we can't do it without you, but we also couldn't have done it without them And uh So I was alluding to this earlier. So Software has this hierarchy of needs. You need some hardware to run it on For anything interesting these days, you need some way to connect to it Um, which probably means some networking or something like that Um, again these days you want to be able to do stuff across multiple computers It's stuff that only happens on one computer is mostly not interesting Anymore even in your car Um, so we need some kind of orchestration some way to make sure that stuff is running in the right places Then we need to figure out how do we actually get that software? We wrote to the place where it needs to be that's rollout and then on top of that We've got some application logic some stuff that you know, we wanted to actually have happened So, um That's our hierarchy of software needs Um, and we talk a lot here at kubecon As dev ops and it security practitioners and platform and infrastructure developers About how do we get that in those middle layers of the cake so we can get up to those top layers where applications get developed um And you'll notice that there's a little Top or on top of the cake too, which is all of the users of the software that we're hopefully building for um and If we think about it the actual stack of humans involved doesn't look Like this mountain it looks the other way So there's a few folks You know your cloud providers some of the folks in your itc and your data centers who are actually physically connecting That hardware working on the linux kernel and things like that more than that there's people building that next layer above it building those kubernetes and those ciliums and um The ui's that you use to get resources from your cloud provider and all of that stuff And then there's even more folks who are using that stuff Who are at your companies provisioning the it for you We talked about remote developer environments and how you know, maybe you need a kind of big kubernetes clusters So you could put a whole bunch of little tiny short live development environments on there So there's more of those folks Then there are building the platforms and infrastructure and that's good to be clear Um, and there's more app developers that they're supporting So this is fanning out the changes from the hardware are fanning out to the whole world um And layers that we don't talk about much here, but there was someone I was talking to earlier who's like I'm here, but I'm sorry. I'm not a techie. I'm a product manager and I'm like Product managers are techies if you are in this industry if you know what kubekan is You're a techie But there's a huge number of people Who aren't necessarily writing the application code, but who are doing that next level of making it useful And most of our value is how this software affects the rest of the world, which is why app developer con Seems like such an important thing to add to kubekan Because I don't care how cool your kubernetes operator is I care, you know, hey this hospital was able to roll out new Imaging software faster or protect patients privacy better because they adopted kubernetes and they used your tool to do it Those are the outcomes that we should be thinking about And it's too hard right now How do we get it so that everyone Just thinks of cloud native as the default um, a lot of people they're like I'd love to use this kubernetes stuff, but it's so hard to get a kubernetes And if you've been here a while you're like, I can totally get a kubernetes. It's so easy um Go pick a provider that you're not familiar with and You know try standing things up there It's too hard and it changes we keep making it better And that better Breaks all the stuff before so if you are a platform person here right now. I'm talking to you We need to be better about supporting those next layers those app developers Those business analysts those folks who are trying to figure out. Did we make enough sales? You know of our stuff that you know, everyone gets bonuses this quarter their it users as well um and students and hobbyists it needs to be easier for all those people Who don't come to kubecon and it needs to be easier than your local machine um So we'll be doing this again in europe and hopefully we will have a bunch of cool new things to make containers cloud native services microservices ephemeral deployments ci and all that stuff less painful And if you think you've got some content That you think everyone else should know how awesome this stuff is Um, cfps are open. Um, they're open for another month or so So get thinking put your thinking cap on if you think you can convince your company to Send you to europe to talk, you know, hey Here's your opportunity And You can scan the qr code for more information And If you're still here, thank you. Um, if you could either the bit.ly link or this We've got a short survey for questions, but it'll help us figure out what's on the agenda For that next app developer con tell us, you know, I really loved this talk or you know I'd love to have seen more stuff That was libraries and cool stuff that builds on top of all these cloud native technologies Whatever it is that floats your boat Um, and then just a couple more administrative things Um, we're here at kubecon. We're under the cncf code of conduct Be kind to each other And there is a co-located event reception in the foyer tonight. So, um We can just wander out there and get food and i'm going to Avoid keeping us much longer so we can all get in that line Or go find our friends, you know Thank you Oh, and is carlos here carlos told me to also say that I have a book coming out in december It feels weird to say that but yeah Thank you all for being here