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In this discussion, the opinions are necessarily those of the speakers. Mrs. Anderson, our audience knows you as the first woman ambassador, the first American woman ambassador to any nation, and as our present ambassador to Denmark. I believe that you are back home after two years in Denmark, aren't you? Yes, this is my first visit home. Well, we'd like to hear something about the people of Denmark. Now, we're hearing a great deal about war. Is there a lot of war talk in Denmark? Oh, I think there's a great desire for peace in Denmark, just as there is in most of the Western European countries. Is there a certain amount of defeatism and cynicism there? Do the people expect another invasion? Well, I think there are some people today who are still defeatists, but really there is much less defeatism today in Denmark or any place in Western Europe than when I first came there two years ago. Now, Denmark belongs to the North Atlantic Alliance, does it not? Yes, Denmark is a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. What is Denmark's contribution to this organization, or is she under-receiving it mostly? Indeed, Denmark realizes today that it also is contributing and wants to contribute to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Men? Yes, indeed, men, troops, and of course the Greenland Agreement. I think that that is part of Denmark's basic contribution to the North Atlantic Treaty. Because under that agreement, Denmark will contribute to... will work with the United States to establish bases, air bases and other facilities in Greenland, and that's very important to the defense of the North Atlantic Treaty. They don't object to our being in Greenland. There's no resentment of our taking over bases there, is there? Oh, no, Denmark is retaining its sovereignty over the island of Greenland, and Denmark is working with the United States to establish these bases and maintain them. Is Greenland a profitable enterprise for Denmark? Is there taxes collected? Oh, no, I think the Danes have put more into Greenland than they have ever taken out of it. It's a strategic base. It's very important from a strategic point of view, and it's Denmark's last colony. It's very important to Denmark from a traditional point of view. Right. Yes. The Danes understand that it's important in possible atomic warfare, do they not? They understand, of course, that Greenland is very important to the defense of the whole area, the North Atlantic area. Getting back to Denmark itself, are the communists strong in Denmark now? No, I wouldn't say so. They still have seven seats in the parliament out of 151, but they had 18 seats right after the war so that they have decreased every year, and they're not a political force today. Are they in the trade unions? A few, but not essentially. The trade unions are essentially anti-communist and very strongly pro-democratic. Mrs. Anderson, you're aware, of course, that there has been a great deal of criticism in America of the North Atlantic Alliance and of our general effort in Europe. Now, do you feel that we are spending too much money in Europe now? No, indeed. I think that what we're spending is very well spent for our own defense as well as for the defense of Western Europe. You are a strong defender of the whole spending planned in Europe. I think the North Atlantic Treaty is the best means that we have for preventing aggression for deterring war, and I think that it's absolutely necessary to build up the defenses of our allies as well as ourselves. You told me that you were of Scotch English ancestry. You come from the Mississippi Valley region of the United States where people, I hear, learn to be frugal. Do you think the United States, you personally believe, the United States can continue to spend this kind of money? Oh, of course. I think that we have to be sure that our money is being well spent, and I think that we have to be sure that our programs are working out. But I think that today that we have assurances that they really are. And I believe that we have no choice but to build up our defenses and to help our allies to restore their defense forces. You've seen General Eisenhower lately, have you? Yes, he's been in Copenhagen several times. Do you approve of his job? I think he's doing a magnificent job. I think he's inspired the people of Western Europe and given them a new feeling of confidence and hope. Do you feel that he perhaps might be expendable for other jobs like perhaps a presidency? Well, I couldn't say that. I could just say this. I think up to now that he has been indispensable in Europe. Let me come back to some of the criticism in our own country. Now, you say that the Danes are making a contribution that the Danes are prepared to fight for their freedom. Yes, indeed they are. Now, how do they feel about the rearmament of Germany? I think the Danes support the rearmament of Germany, particularly as long as it's going to be within the framework of the Democratic North Atlantic Treaty arrangement or Democratic Europe. The Danes, they understand that Denmark cannot be defended unless Germany is defended. That's very important. The Danes realize that the farther east the defense could be made, that the better it would be for Denmark. Now, many Americans, Mrs. Anderson, feel that until we rearm Germany that all of our other rearmament efforts are more or less unrealistic. Now, do you feel that the rearmament of Germany is the real crux of the matter that we must rearm Germany? And until then, the rest of it really doesn't make much difference. Oh, no, indeed. I wouldn't say that. I think that the defense of Europe, I think that Germany is vital to the defense of Europe and I think that we must rearm Germany, but I feel that the problem is so immense that it's very important that we get ahead with the other countries and move along with the whole problem as rapidly as we can. Denmark has a lot to gain economically if we rearm Germany, hasn't she? Well, naturally, the more that German health is restored economically and otherwise, the better off Denmark and all the European countries will be. Is the feeling in Denmark predicated along ideological or practical lines? Oh, I think both. I mean, the Danes realize that Germany, a democratic Germany, is essential to the defense of Western Europe. And at the same time, the Danes are good traders. They live by trade and they have to have their trade restored with Germany, too. To come back to whether we're getting our dollars worth or not, how much are the Danes spending now in their defense efforts? You mean in terms of dollars? Yes, ma'am. For next year, the Danes have appropriated about $100 million for their defense. And what percentage is that of their total government budget? That's about 16 percent. Are you aware that we are spending a much higher percentage? Yes, yes, indeed they are. And I think, however, that it should be pointed out that we Americans have always recognized the principle that a man who earns $1,000 a year can't pay the same amount of income tax as a man who earns $5,000 a year. But that is on a percentage basis. Canada, for instance, pays about 49 percent in the defense program. But Canada has lots of raw materials. Denmark is a country with no raw material. Denmark has no economy save its agriculture. It's agricultural. That's its total economy. And even for its agriculture, it has to import feedstuffs. Well, this leaves the small nation in a very dependent role in this family of nations, this Atlantic family, doesn't it? It is a difficult position for the small nations. Do you have any constructive criticism to offer of the present NATO effort? Is there anything that you think we could do that is better than we are now doing? Yes, indeed. I think that we can always do better than we're doing. And I think that we all need to have a greater sense of urgency. I think that for all of us Americans, too, that we probably will have to sacrifice much more than we have. Your message is that we in America are not doing enough then. Well, that's very difficult to say. I can only say that I feel that there are many people here that don't feel that the matter is really so terribly urgent. Are we too rich? Well, I don't think we're too rich, but we are terribly wealthy. Well, if I were to sum up then what your message tonight, I believe that it's one of the most hopeful ones that we've had. In effect, you believe that while we still have a long way to go, that we are definitely making progress in Western Europe. I think great progress has been made just during the two years that I've been there. Well, thank you so very much, Madam Ambassador, for being with us tonight. The editorial board for this edition of the Launcine Chronoscope was Mr. Donald I. Rogers and Mr. William Bradford Huey. Our distinguished guest was the Honorable Eugenie Anderson, United States Ambassador to Denmark. Christmas shoppers passing through Herald Square in New York hear the chiming of bells, and many eyes are drawn to Minerva and the bell-ringers, stuff and guff. The inspiration for this beautiful monument came from the clock of the 14th century, a clock without dial or hands, just these mechanical men called jacks to strike the bell to announce the hour. From these bell-ringers to the modern Launcine watch, covers 400 years in the development of the science of timekeeping. 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