 George Bruno with the 21 report. We're at the 21 convention the final event of the decade And I'm having a conversation with Stefan Molinou. Welcome. Thanks so much. Nice to be here. Yeah What a talk you gave What a response. I will let you be the judge of that. I mean I enjoyed it I actually went through two other speeches and then last night. I'm like Mmm, not feeling it and I like what I really want to say Well, you know because on Twitter I engage in these battles so to speak where basic facts arouse Yes crazy responses, and I thought okay Well, what is it that I'd really like to say given that this is going to be sort of a permanent record I think interesting to the audience and stuff. I'd like to say to women So I worked on it like till late last night. It got up early this morning worked on it some more because you know You want it to look effortless, but there's a lot of preparation to make it look that way What was interesting was the the whole concept of When you know what the magic is It's no longer magic When you look behind the magic right I want Women to achieve real power which in philosophical terms is you know reason evidence wisdom virtue like that's real power Yeah, looking pretty look. I mean looks are important I mean I'm not showing up here in a potato sack with like a coat hanger sticking out of my ear or something Right, so you know appearance is important knowing your audience is important being presentable is important But it's really the wrapping to the gift which is supposed to be sort of wisdom and virtue and all that so for me the more that we allow women's power to be based upon looks and sex appeal and the simulation of sexual arousal Which is makeup and the prominent display of butts and boobs, which is heels and all of that The less they're encouraged to pursue virtue and You know when you're a kid and particularly when you're a baby You don't care how pretty your mom is you care how loving she is you care how reliable she is you care how dependable she is You care whether she's going to yell at you if you have colic and she's up for the third time that night You need sort of patience and and even temperateness and so on And so it's funny because I think women experience what I'm doing is taking away their power but I don't view it that way at all. I view it as taking away A bad power so to speak in order to you know get a good power Wallpaper you take it off so you can get something better underneath So it feels like I'm taking something away, but I'm actually opening an opportunity for Attracting a man through qualities of character rather than You know sexual signals fleeting things. Yeah, yeah things that will pass and she's the thing too. We were talking about this the other day that Women's like peak sexual market value attractiveness is only supposed to last for a couple of years And in terms of like, you know, you reach I'm talking way back in the day, right? You reach sexual maturity Within a couple of years, you're supposed to be paired off for life, right till death do us part, you know, sort of mid-late teens Now so you're you're sort of Hotness only supposed to last for a couple of years year or two Maybe you got to pick a guy right a guy's got to pick you because you know, everyone's getting picked, right? You don't want to be the last lonely kid, you know being picked for the baseball team and so We talk about sort of extended male adolescents, you know, oh men or boys still until they're 30 and so on But for women to milk that sex appeal again, it's supposed to be a short bright fuse, right? For them to milk it from like 18 to like 45 That's a long time it is to stretch something out that's supposed to be compressed and and really focused on just a couple of years Yeah I noticed some of the most popular filters on the social media sites are these things that kind of Brighten the eyes and give the big eyelashes and the the rosy cheeks And I'm seeing women who are far past the bright eyed and rosy cheek stage of life and And then the duck lips, you know, and then the cat Ears that kind of thing and and I'm seeing this prolonged adolescence Yeah, I thought I thought it was bad with men. Yeah. Yeah yeah, so It's funny because just by the by when I first heard about filters, you know, because I'm a philosopher and I actually thought they meant like Personal language filters about topics. So there's yeah, do you use filters on the internet? It's like I am unfiltered I'm like the most dangerous cigarette you can imagine, right? But now I understand that they mean this sort of snack daddy kind of stuff and it is weird because It is fundamentally deceitful, right because the whole purpose of us having sexual dimorphism the whole purpose of sexual attraction and of sex itself is to make babies, right why are we attracted to women because Baby making and continuation of humanity and and so on But here's the thing of course It doesn't matter If you put rouge on your lips, it doesn't matter if you get botox. It doesn't matter if you get a facelift There's no botox for the eggs, right? Right, so you you can't like the decays no botox for the eggs for the woman's eggs Wow, there's no botox for the eggs. So what she's trying to do is give you the signals The eggs are younger than they are, but they're not yeah There's no but you can get those dino eggs and you can crack out a baby later on in life, you know But it's more risky, but there's no botox for eggs and that's the fundamental Deception it literally is it's much worse than a guy Renting a car to make himself look wealthier or you know taking a picture on a friend's yacht or this thing it's his or whatever, right because youthful Signals of fertility don't alter the fact That the eggs are aging and the there's no way back from that like by the time a woman Is 30 90 percent of her eggs are dead And that's the eggs the sperm and the eggs the whole reason why the whole game is played Right, that's the whole reason why we're attracted to women why they have so to me taking away this Really extended adolescence and this manipulation of men Opens up the space for women to settle down earlier to have some kids if they want them and To not milk this male attraction far beyond What it should how it should be milked or for the length of time that it should be milked I'll tell you something a little odd little thought too I thought it's a couple of years ago. You know that there's a tradition that men make women laugh, right? Yeah, now So here's the thing I can age 10 years by laughing Right, so I fairly I don't have a baby face exactly, but fairly smooth skin. It's only 53, right? But you know this You know, it's like the moon, you know, like the the Kalahari opens up and it laughs So I think you can see this if you make a woman laugh Who's over 40 you can really see that she's over 40 because again botox kind of a new thing But I think that one of the reasons why men Developed the ability to make women laugh was to find out how old they are Interesting because you can really see it when you make a woman laugh It she can go from like 25 to 45 like with one giggle So it's a kind of silly idea. It may not be true It probably isn't but I just thought that the men who invested in women they thought were younger had fewer chances to reproduce So you want to find out how old the eggs are And you can't do that But one way to do that is to make the woman laugh and see what kind of lines are going on Right because you lose that subcutaneous fat for women in particular Around that age. So again, it's just probably a silly idea But it's something I I wanted to get it on permanent record Lee, you know, like like the rosetta stone. All right, there you go It's now imprinted. I don't have to say it again digital is forever. That's right. That's right Yes, the better and the worse What should or what is the best way for a man to look for a woman? The best way for a man to look for a woman is to improve his own character You know this ridiculous. It's kind of a goofy movie, right? Like if you build it able to come you build the baseball and the ghosts show up and so on, right? Because I hear this from women too. Like where are all the good guys? Well, so first of all There's these kind of layers in society and I know this because I've tunneled up and down these layers in my like I born It's funny. I was born pretty poor I went to a fairly upscaled boarding school for a little while from sort of ages six to eight I was sort of lower middle class in England. We came to Canada. Just dropped, you know I'm I ended up on welfare. We got a fiction notices. I went right down right down really close to the bottom Not like homeless, but like three days from homeless kind of thing, right? So right down there and you see the people who are down at that level and it's really dysfunctional And and then I started to like I can't live there. Like that's horrifying, right? That's like Dante and Dostoevsky a nightmare. So I try to tunnel up so, you know, I went to school and and then I Co-founded a software company and then like I'm up there giving presentations to banks and fortune 500 companies and and selling software And and hiring people and so I'm tunneling up. We sell the company. We're listed on the stock market. It's like I'm upright and and so having done this like wild Education between the classes and the levels and the layers You really see how many people get stuck There people can get stuck on the higher level. But then you can always fall down for economic reasons, right? But the lower levels are really sticky. Now. So people like when you try to break out of that There's a lot of hostility because people get um They get wed to this identity of where they are and then they think oh man It's a system that's keeping me down the system The system now if it's a system that's keeping you down nobody should be able to go up, right? And if you're trapped in a sub you can't swim to the surface, right? So If someone tunnels up then it can't be the system alone and that kind of choices So people are trapped. They'll hang on to you. It's kind of subtle But they'll kind of hang on to you and keep you down, right crabs in a bucket crabs in a bucket, right? So when I so you have to figure out where you are Not just in sexual market values. That's going to pass right where you are in terms of human quality Now I don't mean to say everyone who's rich is high quality and everyone's poor is low quality and so on But it's not a totally unknown correlation, right? And so You have to improve your station. It doesn't mean wealth necessarily doesn't mean professional success But just in terms of quality you have to have quality people around you because When you start dating someone if they have half a brain which you want them to have if they're going to date you They're not just going to look at you. They're going to look at your social circle You're going to look at your family your opportunities your possibilities and so on And that matters and that really matters. So if you improve your improve yourself like Most people when they're young I know I did you have your dead brief friends the crabs who are gonna Right keep you down the people who are going nowhere and they don't want you to go anywhere either The people who will try and seduce you into hey, man, you know, I got some joints for the weekend I've never spoken marijuana, but you know, like the people who are like, let's go partying this weekend or You know, let's go have a let's go to Cayuga Beach up in Canada And you know just like get wasted this weekend and it's like, yeah, okay You can do that a couple of times, but it's not going to add much to your life So if you've got the deadbeat friends the loser friends the friends who are going to hold you down They're not just holding you down because any quality woman or man is going to come into that environment. Look at your friends and say You know, these are the people are going to be hanging around when we have kids These people hanging around when you want to get a promotion in your career, whatever So you surround yourself with quality people you work to improve yourself and that can be economic and that matters It can be other things to Work to elevate your conversation, you know read And and learn how to be a good conversation listen And then you'll just be moving in a different layer in society of quality And and you can't find the quality people down at the bottom and again the bottom is not just money You can have rich people down at the bottom too, right when you think of the rich drug addicts or whatever, right? Yeah So you've got to improve you got to drill your way up Into a higher place where the quality people are Because you can't find them down here. They're not bunging down for charity to get married to you, right? They just they don't want to go there. I don't want to go back there. I never will Right, so drill your way up improve your quality And I hate to say so for men. It's a bit more pursuit for women I say, you know, if you improve your quality the man will find you right But for men, it's like improve your quality and hold those standards high Which means you've got to grit your teeth and you got to punch yourself in the sack If you have to to stay away from the sirens, right? The women who are just hot and unstable, right? The hot messes as they call them, right? So, you know, look for the quality women build your own quality And you know, it's this wonderful saying from the Polonius who's kind of a fool gives to His son, right? He says, uh Well, neither a borrower nor a lender be and then he says above all to that own self be true for then it Shall follow his night follows day that can't not be false to any man to be true to yourself Be true to the quality within yourself And it will be effortless to find a quality partner Is a virtuous woman different than a virtuous man? Yes Let's talk about that well We all have things that Stimulate us and are dangerous, right? So for men the great dangerous is a set of the speech status, right? So you want to have status and you want to have resources But you don't want to do it through praying and controlling and belittling and diminishing others, right? So State like the men who reject status completely This is like the The perpetual adolescent the mom's basement the incel but everything's right So the men who reject status completely don't progress the men who are all about status End up kind of shallow, right? And they're just in pursuit of material gain and and they tend to be very Hostile and judgmental and and not emotionally available particularly for women So have a good balance with status, right? So that's the great challenge for men is to be Driven by status but not ruled by status. I think that's that's really really important or to to allow status to inform you But not dominate you For women The great challenge is vanity, right? It's a great challenge Vanity is and this used to be well known in society, right? It used to be well known in society that vanity was one of the great weaknesses that women have and vanity is Hypergamy it's monkey branching. It's the desire for male attention It's playing around with flirting outside of your primary relationship as a means of reinforcing your ego and so on Now women who don't have any vanity who let themselves go so to speak They're not very attractive, right? You can think of it's a harsh term You know like the land whales or you know, the yas girls or the kind of things where I seize the day and Eat it, right? So the women who don't have any vanity who just let themselves go are kind of undatable, right? Because obesity in particular means you can't get pregnant very easily you got health issues and joint pains And it's just you can't run around with your kids and so on So for women some vanity very important like for men some status but for women too much vanity And then the media knows this which is why they're constantly plying on women's vanity, right? Oh men are goofy and men are silly and men are dumb and you're smart and you're wise and in any conflict the woman's always right Men would be insulted. It'd be like man. Stop trying to fluff me. Stop blowing smoke up my eyes I don't know what the phrase is. This is the same here in the states like to stop praising me so much because you're manipulating me But women never seem to get enough of that stuff. It's really really dangerous and it really is and for men It's like the tough guy abs and and lamborghini's and crap like that can go kind of crazy So for women the the woman the virtue is Is connection particularly if she wants to be a mom, right? It's its support And its connection and for the man well, you have to go out and challenge the world and win resources for your family but without Harming people Right and and that's the big challenge, right because it used to be more of a zero-sum game Right like someone someone gets the hunt. You don't get the hunt, right? This is someone goes and picks that apple. You don't get the apple right now with the free market It's more of a win-win So finding a way to go out fight the world for the resources you need for yourself and your family but without Praying upon exploiting and diminishing others. That's that's a real challenge And I think those two particular approaches to virtue Build the best foundation for a family in my experience Is there a female equivalent of an incel or the guy living in his mom's basement? Yes Yes, but I think it's the mirror image I mean you could sort of go so in in japan There are the called the dry fish ladies right the women they barely go out of their home and they don't want to date and so on That to me is not so to me The woman who sleeps around is to me The mirror image of the incel so the man who has no sex Is not part of the procreative nature of society But the woman who jumps from bed to bed Is also not part of the procreative nature of society the man who doesn't bother You know getting up and and grooming himself and going out to get a job and get resources and data whatever it is He is you know undermining the continuity of our culture and civilization And the woman who just jumps from bed to bed is doing the same thing So to me the deficiency of sex on the male side the equivalent for the female side is the excess Of sex as well in other words one person is spreading infertility the other one is spreading std's and also heartbreak Right because every time you you get involved with someone and it doesn't work out You know harms your pair bonding. It makes you more suspicious. It hardens your heart and so on And you know now we have this terrible situation with feminism By keeping women unattached for so long And women of course have very high standards when it comes to male attractiveness like we know that 80 percent of men on dating sites are red Like 80 percent of men are rated as At or below average looks Right, so I mean this the top 10 or 20 percent of the genetically gifted men are making out like Turkish sultans Like they're just making out like bandits, right? So in other words by not having women pair bonding attached to men You know go no slut shaming and you go girl and sex power and all that What's happened is The top tier of men are making out like bandits and the women can't lock them down into a relationship So it's actually created a kind of sultan style harem patriarchy in the pursuit of sexual liberation has made women slaves to alphas So they can't lock down and then they get I hate to say sort of used up or damaged goods But their pair bonding gets significantly impaired. They may have an std unwanted pregnancy They may have had an abortion it really wrecks their heart And then they get hard harder than they say. Well, this is patriarchy and it's like well It's a bit of a sexual patriarchy, but it's kind of being created by feminism and That I think is really really rough But I think women are kind of waking up to that now and saying, you know the supposed freedom You know and the devil offers you freedom, but it comes with a whole lot of chains of red I'm divorced 16 years. I've dated which we're gonna say 16 times. Yeah Wow, I feel like we'd be married in divorce already once is enough And uh, you were divorced 16 years ago. Yeah, okay so going and dating women over the years and going to their house And you're sitting at the dining room table kitchen table and a 25 year old comes up out of the basement with the nose ring on A boy all tattooed up. Oh, this is my son and I'm like, oh boy. This is trouble and I You know, I just make a decision right then and there if this is my last visit to this house and then and this was going on 10 15 years ago and then we started hearing the phrase Oh, you're probably living in your mother's basement Hmm And that rang true to me because I've seen that several times But one thing that popped out to me. No one ever said you're probably living in your father's basement. Yeah, right Why Why is it that way? Right? well, it's the same thing that If I criticize some aspect of modern femininity people say Uh, oh, you have mommy issues right? You've heard this a million times, right? But when a woman criticizes a man, nobody says she has daddy issues, right? That doesn't usually come up So the mother's basement particularly with regards to the men is kind of important because Women can't teach boys how to be men I mean, it's it's such an obvious and simple truth that women Cannot teach boys how to be men and it's funny because you know when you you look at feminists and they will say well The reason why there aren't so many female Engineers or physicists or whatever. It's because you see they don't they're not mentored. They don't see examples They they don't know that they can do that kind of stuff So basically they're saying that male scientists can't inspire girls to be female scientists or whatever, right? So they need mentors. They need examples, but then you turn around and let's say well boys need fathers And they're like, oh, they don't And it's like come on. I mean, it's not even remotely credible or you know on twitter people will say to me Why I don't woman will say well, I don't need a man to have a baby, you know And technically you've got to get a sperm donor over there for right. You gotta want to stand sure But it's there's a thing. It's not I say this was not about you It's about what's good for your children and your children need fathers Where your children absolutely desperately and totally need fathers So the mom's basement is really powerful because it's a number of things. First of all, it implies fatherlessness Which is a huge tragedy that is really wrecking our civilization in many ways and secondly There is something very powerful in that Because the boomers got a lot of wealth, right? I mean, they they were In the in the 70s and age a lot of wealth gathering lower taxes less regulations less competition for mass migration So the boomers were able to accumulate a lot of wealth And one of the reasons why things are worse for the next generation is they're living off that wealth of the boomers Without having the opportunity to create that level of wealth themselves So the boom was the richest generation in history after that. It's kind of all going downhill the boomers Could get houses for about 1.4 to 1.5 times their salary Which is staggering to think of right staggering to think of The equivalent now would be that you could get a house for 80,000 or 70 thousand dollars And it's often 10 times that right the real estate has gone completely mental and it shouldn't have Because after the baby boom was the baby bust So as the boomers move out the housing prices should be collapsing But they the financial system can't handle that so they import bunch of people to prop up the housing prices So it indicates not only that there's fatherlessness, but it also indicates that you're living off the wealth of Your parents you're living off the wealth of your boomer parents usually And it's funny because that wealth still being concentrated in the boom parents through real estate prices being high It's one of the reasons why there's not that much future for the younger people because they what's the point? I mean you go out and get a job. You might have significant student loans You uh, you you can't afford a house You can't get your life started and then you want to date some woman And she's like oh, I got a hundred thousand dollars and student loans. It's like, oh man How on earth are we supposed to get anything going? So to me you can't blame You can't blame young people for the society. They didn't make it. They weren't born when all these decisions were made They didn't choose to have massive unfunded liabilities and national debts. They didn't choose for school quality to Collapse they didn't choose for it to be a gynocentric teacher daycare monopoly of females and They didn't choose for mass migration to prop up real estate values I mean that that But you you you take these big socio economic forces and you concentrate on one individual And you say you're a failure And you know failure to launch where's there to land for kids these days like why I mean and and plus not only has the outside world Became progressively less accessible for success But now you know your pornography and and and video games and endless entertainment on on youtube and other places and it's like Outside is less attractive at inside is way more attractive And what can these young people do the voting block of the boomers is staggeringly huge and what can these individuals do? So I don't like blaming individuals for larger socio economic forces one at the same time You still have to retain free will and individuality and so on so it's a way of taking all the sins in society And ladening it down on on particular people that have remained fundamentally exploited and unprotected in society. I think it was wrong Yeah Cancel culture is a rehearsal for mass murder. Yep Wow, absolutely. There was a Hush in the room when you said that that's true though Well, probably because it's true. Yeah, because it's true. Yeah, so cancel culture is unpersoning unpersoning Do you know when there's this is a phrase that comes from old dramas where Often it would be the son who would displease the father and it would be some big big item And the father would you know draw himself up and get this sneer on his face and he would say you're dead to me Right. You're dead to me. So that's cancel culture in a family, right? You're dead to me and When you unperson people from the internet, you've killed them from the public consciousness Now it's not because you've engaged them and found them wanting. Hey, listen, I'm happy to harm people's views if they're wrong You know, like if I engage in a robust debate with someone and people start unfollowing them because they're wrong That's perfectly fair. I'm not Demanding that they'd be unplatformed or anything like that But when you vanish people from social media Where does that Go where does that end you're saying that their views are unacceptable and should not be held in the public square should not be available in the public square Well, that is a terrifyingly narcissistically megalomaniacal approach to truth There are people I massively disagree with they should absolutely have the right To make their case in the public square and I will engage with them because I want to know The scope of human thought and I can't do that if people are driven underground and Hey, I could be wrong You know, I mean having the humility and wisdom to know that you could be wrong is so important So we know that the left when it gains power historically Kills people by the thousands by the hundreds of thousands by the millions and sometimes even by the tens of millions They kill class enemies. They kill who they call counter revolutionaries or reactionary reactionary forces they call them they kill large property owners landowners the kool-axe they they kill they kill they kill and cancel culture is a pre-sage for that if you silence someone from the public square You've killed their capacity to engage with other people And that's not fair. That's not right. That's not reasonable and We know where it leads. Of course it does they don't start off. I mean It's like, you know, if you're in an abusive relationship the guy doesn't like Punch you on the first date, you know, like there is a grooming period. There is a wooing period There's a what can we get away with period, right? And it's the same thing when the left Cancels people out of existence It is a rehearsal because they never stop there. There is always an escalation from there and because they're anti-christian fundamentally Christianity says that All that is coerced or anything that is coerced cannot be moral because you have to have free choice to choose Virtue if if you're forcing people It can't be moral if you silence people you haven't won a debate. You've lost it, right? I mean I don't know when your kids, right? I would have lots of debates with people and it never ended with that. Oh, shut up. Shut up. Shut up It never ended it with la la la la like this. That would be confession that you've lost You can't handle it anymore So cancel culture is a confession of that you've lost now. What do the leftists do when they lose? So they say, oh, well, you know, I guess it was the wrong idea We're going to become capitalists or whatever. No, they just they double down they escalate they dodge It's for whatever reason. That's what they do And of course, it doesn't stop, you know, it didn't stop with Alex Jones It didn't stop with Andrew Anglin It didn't stop with Milo Unopolis. It didn't stop at Laura Luma. Of course It just continues They're all test cases or what they call tribalism When are people going to push back and they will keep escalating it? They gain control of the reins of power and you can see this in Europe We got hate speech laws and people being thrown in prison for sharing videos and I mean, it's it Just is going to continue to escalate And you know, it's a whole lot easier to stop a snowflake than an avalanche And that's why I'm constantly promoting this this let people speak Yeah, I remember in 2016. I think I forget what university was right here in Florida Spent $600,000 on security when Milo was coming to speak $600,000 Oh, I've had the same deal Amazing Yeah, I've had the same because they say, well, you have the legal right to speak But if we threaten the venue enough, they'll either cancel Right, which has happened to me multiple There's a reason this is my first time out in public for about a year Where I've actually been able to see an audience, right? Yes Or what they do is if the venue has to continue or decides to continue The they escalate security costs to the point where you go bankrupt trying to give a speech And again, that is You know, what do they do with their enemies when they gain power? Well, we know this historically they line them up and they shoot them And this same rage to silence others It is yeah, that's why it says I very much stand by this address rehearsal I was begged by a few friends not to go to The night for freedom in New York City. I believe you were there. I was the first one And I decided the day before that I wasn't going to go And I was talking with Mike and I was gonna Give a few words there that night So instead I decided to watch various people's live periscope broadcasts And I watched a man get assaulted in real time And I Just the Jewish man who left right here at the venue And yeah, the guy just went to prison Right, I saw that And I'm glad to see that and I remember watching some of those broadcasts from inside the club there where you all were Talking and speaking and so forth It looked like a fun event and it wasn't even as Even six hours eight hours before the event The planned venue Yeah, that's a very common And then at the last minute you had to find a new venue Well, with all my two I was all Mike Surnovich. I was there to help but the primary I mean he was the guy and it was incredibly stressful and he handled it with great grace But yeah, he did find Another venue and we all piled in and that night I mean, that's what earned me my splc page as far as I understand it, right? And that night the the contrast was was Astounding inside the venue There was dancing There was fun Different races Everybody's showing up. We're all having a great conversation. Good time. I must have Hucked and selfied 500 people like that night, right? People who were like, oh, man, your show is fantastic Or I don't like it that this or I disagree with you about that the same thing Same thing in Poland we're gonna have debates in in a pub and it was great fun So the inside there's you know disagreement. There's love. There's you know, joy There's selfies and and people telling me to show me the baby pictures. I got married because it was wonderful stuff That's the inside and the outside There's people screaming that they want to put bullets into us Yeah, right That is you know, that old saying same planet different worlds. Yeah, that is not a world That There's compromise. There's not a world where people can get along What is wrong with people's vision? I saw that and I and I was Like, oh darn, maybe I should have went it looked fun It looked like it looked like a fun night other people could watch that and be angered and go look at all those You know fill in the blanks Uh What happens Why do people Have two different why are there two different views of an event like that? I saw celebration Yeah, I mean and there were lots of people there who disagreed with each other and we had a civilized and and positive time so I mean there's a lot to it, but I think fundamentally if I sort of boil it down to one thing I would say this that Unfortunately, there are so many people dependent on government money at the moment And everybody knows that it's unsustainable. So we're in a situation Titanic's going down. There aren't enough lifeboats for everybody. So people are really freaking out So the right wing which I'm not a part of but it's not attacking me in the way the left wing is So, you know, that's just the reality. Yeah, so the right wing What do they want smaller government lower taxes more free markets more voluntary human interactions, right? Now for you and I That's a good thing, right because we are confident of our ability to Be productive and and valuable in a free market voluntary situation, right? Now flip that over To what you talked about before at the young man with the nose ring and tattoos and all that kind of stuff, right? Is he confident that he can go out into the free market and provide value and negotiate and Earn a living and all that well, probably not Now when you're in and that's a whole different category from say a woman who has, you know Three kids by two different dads who doesn't have really any skills is living in government housing relying on welfare and food stamps So when we talked about lower taxes smaller government for us It's a big positive, right? But what they do Is they're like a farmer and we're setting fire to their crops, right? We're invading their territory with setting fire to their crops and they are going to starve in their mind, right? This is like now the idea is like well, you know, there'll be more economic opportunities higher wages You can get a job you can all get together a babysit each other's kids and you'll have a community It'd be better for you in the long run and so on that's not what they see what they see is I'm helpless I am dependent I am owed and you're cutting off my food and you're cutting off my electricity And I'm going to die and my children are going to starve because you guys don't want to share Right now that is a very terrifying position to be in it's very helpless and out of helplessness comes aggression, right? I mean, you know the cornered rat, right? The rat will try and get away from you But when you've cornered it and it's helpless it can't escape it will turn on you, right? So if you look at Antifa and these other things I've talked to one of these guys on my shows and talked to another guy Another two guys privately they'll come from single mom households, right? So Antifa need to be understood as the shock troops sent out by single mothers to make sure their benefits are not diminished That's what they're interested. That's what they are. So when we get together and they think that we're talking about Cutting off food and healthcare to the poor, which we're not but that's their perception, right? Well, they're cornered animals because they believe that they cannot survive without The government money and if we have issues with that Then we are quote trying to kill them and hey man. It's just self-defense You guys can't be allowed to get your way because if you get your way We're toast Whereas I look at the left and say well if you get your way I'm toast because I know history and then I'd be the first first My big honor. I'd be a top 10 of people on the firing line, right? So when they look at us and say if you get your way I'm dead and we look at them and say well if you get your way, I'm dead Well, that's why I say unfortunately right now. It's gone so far. There's not going to be a peaceful solution. I just hope it's not too bad I notice that You parachute into hot spots san francisco Hong Kong I say to myself gosh I will yeah, right exactly. I will never go to san francisco forget it forget it You're you're packing your suitcase on your way to san francisco. Well, I'm not there. I'm not there I would went up to the city council. Yeah, right and I actually saw the video It's a fdr url.com forward slash cf. We'll see the sequence. I've got city council. So how are you going to pay for all this? Like, you know, they've got 20 minutes to do chinese drummers Yeah, you know, but they don't have five seconds or 10 seconds to entertain How are you going to pay for all of these giant programs, right? so I you know, there is This perception of course, and I think it's quite true that canada. Sorry the california is america's future If you want to know how america's going to be in 10 or 20 years, you just look at california. Well, it's not pretty Yeah, I mean Biggest welfare state biggest income disparities most people on welfare lowest quality of education just about I mean just wretched stuff High high crime waves and homelessness is rampant so you need to Go to the guys who are smoking out of a hole in their throat to say don't smoke Right, so you want to show in a sense. Okay, this is the reality of where things are heading if we don't have important conversations so you know, I mean I had security and and all of that but Actually, I didn't have security in hong kong when I needed it actually the most because of the tear gas and all of that but nonetheless, I mean there are real things happening in the world and Which is a silly thing to say because it's obvious But when we have these abstractions they translate into very real things, right? So like socialist policies translate into Women selling their children In venezuela, right and middle-class women like teachers and clerks and so on going across to columbia And selling their bodies for sex to get food for their children These abstract old ownership of the means of production. They translate into very real catastrophes for individual people And you know, that's when people are breaking into zoos and eating the farm animals because they're starving This is when the average weight loss is like 20 20 pounds in a year And you see these videos coming out of venezuela where a guy's crashed his truck He's lying there bleeding half dead people are stepping over him to get to the food in the back of the truck This is like the callousness and Base level of survival that's occurring in these countries. So I do want to go to places and say Yeah, you can have your socialist policies You can have your mass migration if you want and you will end up with you know typhus In your in your town and you will end up with vcs all over the sidewalk And you will end up with a truly deranged and out of reality city council and and There are people like like ellen jow who's running for mayor who I think would make a very interesting and powerful difference and nobody knows right or very few people know so I wanted to get the word out with her and with Hong Kong, I mean, Hong Kong is an incredible place. I mean You have two genetically identical people Chinese You know one had been under British rule for 150 years One, you know went through the collapse of bunch of emperors and then the rise of the communists and now this semi-physiistic communist market capitalism thing that's going on And the ferocity with which they're fighting for their freedoms in Hong Kong Is is incredible. It's deeply powerful and these are people who take ideas very seriously and are willing to go Literally to the barricades like limousine style in order to try and maintain their freedoms It's the only place in the world where the free market is written directly into their constitution And it's going straight up against the biggest Leviathan state in human history Man, I mean why wouldn't you want to be there? Right, right Where is the next hotspot any ideas? And I know you think globally. Yeah Well, I think This is going to sound a bit odd But I think what's called a Wexit in Canada I think it's going to And you should see the spikes of the searches for western separation right after the election of Trudeau Which is a complete catastrophe for Canada. It could only have been worse if he'd gained a majority But given he's going to team up with the socialist and the NDP. It's maybe a distinction without a difference But the next aspect of the west is people want to to break up countries Because the fisher lines culturally and and ideologically are so stark and in opposition You know I mean, it's like you can have different denominations of christianity Certainly post-reformation separation of church and state lived together relatively amicably But not if you know, I don't know one worships Jesus and one worships satan, right? That's going to be a bit tougher to get along with right and there's been so much demonization of people with different opinions from the left They claim to love diversity, but it's really just crippling uniformity that they they are after I think that what's going to happen and they tried this with brexit to split away from europe They're going to try this various places in the america. There's going to be real talk of secession It has to be because people do not believe if trump fails in terms of what people wanted him to do Which I think he will then there's going to be separation. There's going to be separation In in kubak is going to be interested in separating the only reason kubak's not more than separated to get so much money from From canada as Justin Trudeau says canada belongs to kubak But yeah, manitoba saskatchewan albert in particular is getting completely pillaged by the rest of canada through these equalization payments And they are not allowed to Pursue the the exploitation of the natural resources. So they are like they're completely hamstrung I think that we're going to start to see very very serious movements in the west towards the breakup of existing countries and I think that's kind of a desperate move, you know, people say, oh, let's just build a wall around california. It's like, well, they'll just Jump that wall too, right? I mean people don't just sit there and say well, it's a different country So I'm just going to starve here, right? I mean, we're going to have to face this ideology and its effects head on at some point But for now people are going to start talking about separation That's going to happen people get a try and get out of the european union as much as possible That's getting progressively more difficult. I think the union within Canada is going to be threatened the union within america is going to be threatened particularly post trump because post trump as a demographic change You're going to get more and more crazy lefties into power. That's inevitable because they're importing people who vote for socialism that's the whole plan And once people realize there's no trump 2.0 and you can never ever get a republican elected as president again because of demographics people are going to say, okay, we're we're out and Man, then it's going to be funny because all the people who claim about in like White privilege and and and white domination and so on and be like, oh wait, the white people want us to see it Well, we can't let that happen, right because they're the tax payers, right? So I think that's at the hot spot So I think going to be all around us and those battles are going to be fought politically and in people's living rooms Why were we as an organization the 21 convention embraced by poland? as we thought about taking taking the show on the road to europe And discussing what countries we could possibly go to it's like, well, let's go to the uk Oh, no, let's go to sweden. Oh, no, and then it ended up being in poland And poland embraced us and our message. Why do you think that is? Well, poland of course having recently tasted the bitter fruits for many decades of totalitarian rule is very interested in free thought pre-expression Which is why when I went to poland to film a documentary I could just Put the word out on social media and meet with people and we didn't have to worry about Bomb threats or death threats the same thing in hong kong in hong kong so, I mean poland One of the big differences is it's of course largely white Although that's not the sole reason may not even be the most important reason but there's just think of the amount of energy that Multiracial societies expand screaming racism at each other and trying to figure out The courses of disparities and outcomes between different ethnicities and so on. I mean it's it's bloody exhausting And it's a huge waste of time energy and resources because it doesn't seem to fix anything. It often makes things worse But I think primarily I would say it's a christianity it's the christianity When people agree on large moral ideas Society remains relatively friction-free. Yeah, you know like When you're kids you make up a bunch of games with your friends, right? Like But if you all agree on the rules for the most part the game is relatively friction-free and in in poland given the central nature of christianity to the culture and its united opposition to Communism to socialism to leftism and to mass migration You have a group of people who all agree on the same basic rules Which means that they're free to disagree on everything else But if you can't agree on the same basic rules everything is fractious and conflicted Well, we've gone around the world in about 30 minutes here and In our last talk you ended your speech And I had you look at the camera And and talk talk to that person out there. That was why it was the patriarch convention and uh one phrase really Uh stayed with me. It was get married have babies save the world that that type of thing Considering the theme of this conference here Talk to the people who will be watching this right now What message do you have for them? Sure It's a very very interesting question There is a moment Of enlightenment or potential enlightenment that can happen to Everyone and anyone on their life's journey and this Not because of me or even the convention. This can be yours Because if you've only heard about this convention or you've only heard about this gentleman or myself You've heard some pretty negative things right like who has a bunch of misogynists getting together I'm a nationalist white supremacist nazi, whatever it is, right? So you're told all of these things And that's An illusion of words that is created around particular individuals in order to have you not hear What we have to say to dismiss us Ahead of time To not engage with us at all now. That's a fascinating thing. So there's two possibilities number one We are really really terrible people who want to just infect you with the worst conceivable ideas And and turn you against all that is good and virtuous and true in the universe And your wise elders and the people in the media and the people in the higher education and and all of the organizations that identify hate groups and so on Boy, they're you know, they're just really looking out for you and your best interest. There's no ulterior motive They have no agenda. They're just trying to protect you from really really terrible people who want to feel you full of terrible idea That's one possibility But there's another possibility There's another possibility Now the other possibility Which is the truth is this that the people That those in power tell you are the worst but generally those who threaten those empower the most So what is it about what I do and what you do and what this convention does? That threatens people in power Men pay the majority of taxes and receive the fewest benefits from the state We are the toiling masses. We are the exploited proletariat. We are the tax cattle and economic slaves of the system How does a slave owner feel When the slaves begin to discuss freedom among themselves Is he pleased no that slave who begins these conversations is about the most evil troublemaker that can be imagined and by god No other slaves better listen to that slave Or disaster will occur and he's actually kind of right Because disaster will occur But for the slave owner not for the slaves liberation and freedom will occur for the slaves So you have a choice because you hear things about me about us And then you actually hear us and the arguments that we make and the facts that we bring to bear The reason and evidence we bring to bear on these important social questions now the disparity The oppositional nature between what is described and what is Is a monumental chance for enlightenment Where does lightning come from clouds rubbing up against each other perjume, right? Now you've got a perception and you've got a reality rubbing up together Generates great energy great light great heat and you can harness that Because we're not we're not the monsters who are portrayed the monsters Are those who would use lies and slander to keep you from the arguments we have to make Why focus on us? Why are we the ones that have to be silent? You know, there are genuinely bad groups out there, right? There are there are terrorists There are racist organizations. There are like you name it, right? Why is it us that gets all of this venom and all of this hatred from the powers that be Do the powers that be have your best interest at heart? Do they hand you an economic system that's full of opportunity and freedom for you? Do they hand you an economic system where you're free Of national debt that they hand you great schools full of wise intelligent people who teach you how to think critically Do they hand you a sustainable economic system? No Do you really think that they care about you? No They don't care about you They don't care about us But they care that we care about you They care that we want you to be free. They care that we want you to ask questions The people like us that they're trying to Chase you away from Are the people who to use an old phrase Can lead you to the promised land and that's why You can't listen to us Because you will really like what we have to say But they don't Millions of people are going to see this conversation on your network my personal network the conventions network How can people find you who are watching you for the first time? I'm right here. No, so you can find me on the web at freedomain.com at stafan mollin you st e f a n m o l y n e u x is my twitter account and man If you're not following that I didn't even know why you get out of bed in the morning That is a fun account man and you can find me on youtube.com forward slash free domain radio I used to be radio, but I've dropped that so free domain radio is still my handle on youtube You can find me on bit shoot on on a wide variety of alternative platforms gab And minds.com and so on so yeah, just go to any of my videos as a whole list if you go to free domain.com You can get your podcast and videos and there's a whole list of my social media presence there as well And you know, I really invite you I do I do you can send in questions We can do call in our conversations together. I do interviews and lots of great stuff. So Whatever you like given the philosophy is the ultimate everything discipline There'll be something there that will engage you and I hope that you will join the conversation Talking about freedom with Stefan mollinu. Thank you. Thank you very much What was your experience so far with the 21 convention? Oh, I'll stand I'll stand professional I'll cross the board really good energy with a lot of people and uh I just like because it's very positive Positive direction this uh, george. This is this has been a first-class event. It's fantastic. You guys run a really tight ship I've been to a lot of conventions over the course of my business career And I can tell when things are well run and when things aren't and this is a very well run operation I was very impressed. It's pretty incredible to see where anthony's brought it Especially from last year which was my first year here and to see the the upgrades he's made it's been incredible I've got my notebook and with every speaker. I've written down about two or three lines under each of the speakers of just Just the key prime stuff that I got that's good. That's good. It's very surreal, man. I'm really enjoying it I'm happy to live in such an era Where such a thing like this is possible I have never seen a group of guys like this a group of 200 men were focused Squared away and working on their values just never met a bigger group of wonderful guys It's kind of neat because I've been to a fair amount of conventions in my day But you never see one where the guys like uh gear you can just see ed latimore talking to tanner about boxing Yeah, you just sit down and then you tell your boxing experiences. Everybody's kind of pinging off each other. It's nice It has been fantastic And it's been four days of guys all on the same page working in the same direction fascinating meaning some of the people Hearing their stories. Yep. You got people traveling from other parts of the world to come here just to see Yeah, some of the speakers. That's amazing. The thing is impress me is everybody here is very serious Yeah, they're taking it, you know close to their heart What a great convention. Thanks, george