 to hear the approach that he, as he started the meditation with, he just thought, I'll just sit in the chair and listen, and I'll just do it whenever I feel guided to do it. I'm not going to say I'll do it X number of times a day, or I'll do it at this time every morning and pick the times, which a lot of, I mean, that's what we learned when we were in college about, you know, good student study habits, you know, pick your spot and pick your times as if, you know, if you don't, you'll never get it done. And this is a real approach and trust, and really just trusting how I feel. And I think Joel Goldsmith was, he was saying that Joel Goldsmith ended up doing it was like 20, 30 times, 30 times a day. Yeah, 30 times a day just based on taking, doing the moments of quiet and listening when he wanted to, you know, I mean, without scheduling it in. Yeah. He didn't, he didn't plan to do it, any certain number, whatever, but that's what it came out. And some of them were rather short, but still that was the thing too. He made a pact kind of with himself to say, I'm just going to do it. And as long as I feel it's helpful and I'm happy, and I'm not going to try to go beyond that, what a gentle approach. Now, you can see what he's saying in here is routines as such are dangerous because they easily become gods in their own right, threatening the very goals for which they were set up, that this whole section, how should the teacher of God spend his day, is kind of saying that initially, when you're first starting out, it can be helpful to maybe do it at the beginning of the day at the end, and perhaps in between, but it's giving some structure because the mind is too untrained, you know, to just let it, let it go. But you can see that the whole point of the course is to move away from structure, structured time periods. Sometimes last week I got up in the morning, walked and had my headphones and was listening to a tape, and then I did that the next morning. And at some point I think I decided that that would be good to do every morning, get up and walk and listen to a tape, as if I knew, you know, instead of getting up each morning and saying, what now? And then when that seemed to wind down, what now? What now? What now? I mean, who's to say that I'm ever supposed to take a walk again and listen to a tape? I don't know that. Really? And that's what you work towards. Initially, it may feel comfortable to do something. I mean, that was another thing that was in the book that you were reading where he experimented with. He actually planned out his whole day quite tight with all these activities, very rigid. And then he started to think, well, why should I call this a day because the sun rises and sun sets? I'm not getting everything done that I want to. So he ended up two or three solar days he called a day. He started changing, redefining day, you know, but again, you know, it's that loosening, loosening to the point that you're talking about as a point where it's more advanced. This is more precious than anything, any amount of money can buy. And the only time or the only way I lose sight of how precious the opportunity is, it seems like is by sinking into familiarity and taking for granted what, you know, the opportunity. I have an image in my mind. One time I went to hear a blind man, a very wise blind man, Richard Shining Thunder down in Cincinnati speak. And I remember going into this little bookstore and just sitting there and listening to him. He spoke very gentle and he got into a lot of deep ideas and everything. And he would, you know, keep going around and asking people, you know, if they experienced it too and everything. And anyway, they said, let's take a break. And immediately, I was just a big hubbub. Everybody got up and they were going over and he had made some tapes and they were, oh, where's his tapes? Here's his tapes. And I remember just sitting there, kind of just waiting and watching. And then I'd say after about five minutes, Richard hadn't gone very far and it didn't get involved in the hubbub. You know, they were hubbub all of his tapes and this and this and that. And he just went back sat down in this chair and there's all this going on. I could hear this voice, please, please come back, come sit down. Our time is so precious together. We don't want to waste a minute of it, you know. And there was that little voice, I could hear it with this, nobody was being attentive. You know, there he was sitting there, you know, wanting to go in. And it's just, to me, it's that's part of it. We really get into this. There's a reverence for God that starts to come with it. A real reverent feeling, not a reverent for one another. I mean, Jesus says, you know, that's not appropriate, not even in conjunction with Jesus. It's not, reverence in all is not inappropriate. But to me, there's a real preciousness about the time we come together. And of course that flies in the face of, oh, another day, life's well, I'll do what I always do, and I'll, you know, this and this. That's that kind of a consciousness that, that is very familiar and customary. And to really stay attentive and to feel the excitement and the enthusiasm of questioning these beliefs, as if, I mean, as if the mind's been sleeping for millennium. And now finally, after millennium of seeking for idols, now, this is like the time of awakening. To me, that's like a time of rejoicing. I mean, that's like the time of, at the end of the Prodigal Son story, when the Prodigal Son finally, finally comes home and his father runs out and got a rogue for him and he kills the fatted calf and he throws a big party. You know, to me, that's that, that's that passion that I feel right now that is like at the end of the Prodigal Son story. And I just, I think I've learned that I have to really nurture that. I can't just expect, you know, okay, passion, where's my passions, which I want to turn it on today, because it just, if I think I can turn it on and off, then what I find is when I turn it off and leave it off for a while and I turn it on, hey, hey, where's that charge? It just seems like a rut again, you know. So to me, it's, it's important. I mean, it's worth all the effort and the, and the attention to keep the mind attentive and to keep the energy like you've been saying when you've been, I mean, you're drawn to read this book now. It's not like you read a few pages and or a few sentences and you say, golly, I'm waiting through this. What is this? But now it's like it's starting to get very meaningful and exciting and with good reason when it starts to feel exciting. I mean, this is a homecoming. The routine says, I think it was kind of like ego, autopilot, you know, instead of saying, here Holy Spirit, help me steer. It's kind of like clicking on the autopilot button and kind of just cruising for a while. And then until something blows up, oh, whoa, hit the auto, hit the switch, try to grab control of the steering wheel again and pull, pull the plane out of a tailspin. Or the thing that Raj uses, man, we were listening to, he uses the metaphor of the homing beacon. And I like that because it's kind of like you're in a plane and you're trying to come in for a landing, you know, you're trying to really land for your homecoming and it's foggy. And you know, you have the runway lights, there's like a, there's like a lighthouse that you can take of a beacon, of a flashing beacon. And you kind of can, if it's foggy, you can kind of get off course and everything. But then through the, through the fog, you see this thing flashing and you say, oh, got to get, went off a little bit to the right or left. And to me, the Holy Spirit is like that flashing light behind the fog that at times it just seems like we lose it. But then we see it again and we go, oh, there it is over there. Come back, you know, and come back. And that's been a helpful metaphor of just staying on the homing beacon. Stay attentive.