 Now, in the next 15 minutes I will outline the last point which is related to self-sustaining financial model for these workshops. Now the current financial model for running this workshop is based on funding by the project under two distinct heads or major heads as you can say. One we say is the fixed cost, it is not truly fixed, it is also related to number of participants but it is fixed for a large number of participants club to get. We consider 30 participants as the base model in any institution. In fact the IST workshops that are conducted are always between for 25 to 35 people that is how I had constructed the model. We have had situations where we have had even 100 participants from a remote center. We had actually to create two temporary separate remote centers in a single remote centers to accommodate that but we also have had remote centers which had only 8 or 10 or 12 participants. In some areas where the participation is very low but those areas are important geographically and politically we have said that we will permit conduct of such workshops also but I am taking 30 participants as the base figure for comparison purpose. Now what we have worked out is that if you look at what are our fixed costs, our fixed costs are for conducting a workshop for 30 participants. There is a team that is required at your end which is the workshop coordinator, the remote center coordinator, some TAs or some people who are required a technical person etc. So there is some amount of honorarium that is to be paid to all these people. We have estimated that this amounts to roughly about 2500 rupees for 30 persons. We have a variable cost which is primarily the food that needs to be given to the participants and 7 or 8 team members for the workshop. So for that duration of the workshop we say that this also amounts to about 2500 rupees. There is a cost for the conduct of the workshop at the hub, hub is IIT Bombay, IIT Kharagpur. Please understand that you do not see that cost. So how do we calculate that cost? That cost is calculated by A, the large teams that both IITs have to maintain for running these workshops, their annual salary divided by the total number of participants at me. B for the actual workshop we have to conduct a coordinator's workshop. C we have to conduct additional coordinator's workshops such as this. So there is an overall cost of the project. Now what we are saying is this cost in whatever model we talk of, this cost is not to be passed on to the participant. This cost the government will continue to bear. So for conduct of the coordinator's workshop for every subject, for conduct of any such workshops, for the experts who actually conduct that workshop for whom we have to pay on the radio, for the teams which visit your places occasionally even though it is for auditing purposes, whatever, whatever, these are the fixed cost at hub or these are variable cost at hub depending upon the number of events that you have. So we will say fixed cost at the hub. Now whatever this is, is also substantial by the way but this will not pass on to the partner. In fact this was the main point of my convincing the ministry that if I conduct a workshop for only 30, 40 people and if I have 3 or 4 experts whom I invite from various places who will conduct that workshop, then the cost of paying their travel, paying their order, paying their stay has to be amortized over only 35 participants and therefore cost per participant goes. That is why the model of AICT requires 12,000 to 14,000 rupees per participant for a two week program whereas we have substantially reduced it. This cost works out to be about somewhere around 1,500 rupees per participant by because our total budget is about 6,500 rupees per participant for the workshop including him. But we presume that that money shall be paid perpetually by the government. There is also an additional cost that we pay unknown to you for every participant. We have to pay to IST a certain participation fees that we pay from our money. So what is proposed is that we make this workshop model non-funded model and we say that we shall charge 5,000 rupees as the workshop fees for participating teachers. So this is the self-sustaining model. You can call it fees, you can call it charges, whatever, whatever. This money is paid by the participant to the remote center. No accounts need to be submitted to IIT Bombay but if a participant complains that he did not get his lunch on any one of the tenders or that the AVU facility was not working, the college will be responsible. Please note that this model has a few nice points and a few tough points. The nice points are that each workshop coordinator and the institution now is directly accountable to the participant. If I am a participant at your remote center and suppose I get some kachchi roti or kachcha bhaat which is not well cooked, well whom do I shout at? You will say, ye toh patak saamde itna hi paisaad hi aise me aise hi chawal mileg. But now when you are charging me then I will expect service. That is one. Secondly it will avoid any, you will have to still do all your accounting but that is as per your internal requirement. The issue is can this model sustain? Will teachers pay 5000 rupees to attend this workshop? In the feedback that we have collected from four workshops, we have been consistently asking this question. There are people, 33% people said that they will pay for their own food and stay at other costs, travel etc. And another 33% people have said that they will be willing to pay an additional charge for conducting this workshop or paying for the fee. Only 30% said that they will attend only if it is free. Of course this is a paper feedback when it comes to actually shelling out money. We expect their colleges to support them. Aren't colleges expected to support the training of their teachers? Now this is in theory. In practice it doesn't happen perhaps. This, college may sometimes be this. No, no, I don't want immediate reaction here. I want you to think about it and I want you to think of alternate models. Please understand one thing. We can continue to conduct the workshops exactly as we have been doing. We will do it precisely for eight more months. That's it. The project ends, everything ends. But if the model is not going to be sustainable, I have no right to release this 5 lakh rupees grant to all colleges. I will have to return this money to the government. If we have to sustain the model, we have to find some self-sustaining mechanisms. My suggestion to the government has been that please give me an extended period of one more year where I will conduct more workshops. Some of which will be on such partial sustaining model. This is not the only model. I want you to discuss possibility. For example, okay, there are some questions. Suppose my remote center, because of this whole method of self-sustaining, does not even get 30 participants. I get only 20 participants. Now I can't even break even my head of the institution will not permit me to run this workshop with 20 participants. Now one suggestion we had was that if you have less than 30 participants, then whatever is the deficit for those participants, the project will fall. What if I have 100 participants? Now my cost is much less, but I will collect 5,000 rupees per participant. In that case, our proposal is a substantial part of that extra earning can be written by the college and used as they fit, they think fit. And a percentage has to be given to IIT Bombay so that IIT Bombay does not get that money as an institution. It comes to the project so that the project can fund some other remote centers which have less of a school. We can consider breaking up this part of fixed cost and variable cost. And we can say we'll charge only one part and not both. There are multiple models that are possible. But what I'm very sure of is that without collecting some money from the participants, the model cannot be sustained. Now how much money to collect? How to enhance the fees? Maybe enhance it for different workshops. You can have a different thing. It's if you take the model of demand. Now wherever there is a workshop on a high demand subject, I don't know how many of you remember, but when we were conducting workshops for 1000 teachers at a time and we suddenly enlarged it for the first time in 2012, we conducted a workshop on research methodology. There were 14,000 teachers who had registered. We could not accommodate them. That is a subject which is desperately required to be studied by most teachers. Now if I conduct a research methodology workshop, a proper two week workshop, don't you think there will be many more people who would be willing to pay for that? So it would be subject specific. Now what we could do is our experimentation is that we should make a list of all subjects for which we are going to conduct the workshop. And we should say that for these workshops we may try out this model. I want you to think about all such possibilities from now onwards during your lunch break and during the tea break, so that when we have discussion sessions, I would like to listen to your suggestions. But we have to start doing this from the next summer. Please understand that the workshops you have been already announced, they will be conducted exactly as per the announced model. There is no change. In fact, I had gone to IIT Kharagpur and we had a discussion with their director. We have appraised our director because both the directors also must say yes to this. Although the project is running under the PRSG's mandate, but we felt that we should take their opinion and they both felt that something ought to be done for something. Please understand, if we are able to make this model sustainable, then we can run such training programs for a very long time with the approval of IIT and IIT. The policy can be done in the context of getting into their career development scheme, like refreshers course. Then the teacher must be interested about that. So what I suggest is you please write down these points so that you don't miss out. And during the discussion session make these points, I will make one of my team members to write down all of these. Now wherever required, suppose we need to discuss some points with UGC. I will talk to Professor Ved Prakash. Suppose we need to discuss some points with AICT. I will talk to Mantha and we will get issues resolved. If any way it could help the conduct of such teacher-straining workshop for a longer period of time, we can do that. But you all agree that the teacher-straining is an important thing and what we are doing is contributing to engineering education and we will continue doing it. All right. So please have your tea and come back.