 So we're here in Hong Kong. All right Here we have an awesome device booting up right here in Hong Kong. Hi Hi there Nicholas. How are you? So what are you doing over here in Asia? Well, there's a couple of things We're at the mobile electronics show at the Asia World Expo in Hong Kong Looking at you know, what kind of nice accessories we can conjure up for the For the Cosmo and the Gemini Potential accessories people want to have. Well, I think you know, there's some new there's some new things So we're we're looking at what kind of quality accessories we can provide of course, you know The Cosmo is has an outside screen. So what we're looking at obviously to make the case now for the Sleeve for the unit, but also other peripherals may be a pain If we're having a new case and and so on so I'm gonna turn off my my lights just for a second. Can we see the keyboard? So the keyboard, okay So now this is the keyboard and now I'm gonna turn on the back light so you can see the back light Are you are you recording this so you can see some turning on the back light? I don't know how it looks to you now. It looks awesome. Yeah, so basically we're very pleased with the keyboard there Essentially the back light on the keyboard. There are five there five Five different settings to the light so you can go lower down like this You can just go like this to no light and then you can switch on the light and This is the maximum light. So actually it's it's quite it's quite. It's quite light It's quite bright and actually at night you don't really want to even use the full Light intensity. You might want to use one of the lower settings as well. So it's nice. So So This is become is becoming even more suitable for productivity Yes, I think you know on flights where the light is turned off and on you know in at night when it's dark Or any any kind of dark space. It's really really great to use now. It's really fantastic. So, uh, it's It's productivity in the dark as well as sort of productivity in the light. So So, um, this is the Japanese keyboard right here. What's happening? So the Japan you said the So what's happening? I mean, maybe just a quick update on the on the shipments. So basically we're making now the first run We're making uh, 4 000 units Uh out of those 4 000 units probably about 3 000 200 are going to backers Uh on the on our indiegogo campaign, uh, the people that have been loyal to planet And I've been waiting for a little while now. So we started the campaign in november 2000 and 2018 And we will have the phone out completely to everybody before the before 12 months but um People have been waiting enough people are very eager to get their device and um, what we will do is Essentially we've produced four three different sets of pcb's. So we have the japanese pcb, which has um, a very good frequency set lte bands for the, uh, South bank entity docomo South bank entity, uh Docomo a k d d i So really kind of covering the the major networks and the uh and the nvno Do you have a little bit special networks over there? Yes, but Also, we've really tried to cover so that they're really getting good coverage also in rural areas as well as in the cities And you know, we're really trying to major on all the japanese bands. So it will still be quite good to travel with So it's not just japan. It's a worldwide modem plus a very good frequency set for japan Then our standard frequency set is basically, um Meant for very good coverage inside europe and the usa and there's a version a special So there's a version which covers The major bands in europe and also the us bands including cdma And also including band 71, which is a t-mobile usa band that they purchased when they bought metro pcs Which is 600 megahertz but essentially it will work on all the us networks But then we have a special verizon edition, which has all the frequencies Apart from band 71, which is t-mobile one of t-mobile bands, but it has band 13 Which is 1200 megahertz, which is the one of the bands that's very popular that that verizon are using inside the us, right? so So basically there are three different pcbs and the way we're doing the production first we're doing the japanese production We already sent out units to japan. We're completing that And then we'll be sending out the europe and the usa what we call usa one version And then that's that's a large number of units and then the final set Which is a few hundred units will be going to verizon customers the verizon edition So we hope to complete All the production by the end of this month and to ship out the units Uh Latest in the first week of november, but basically we will be shipping some more units End of this one. Don't forget. This is all very quick because today is the 21st and we will be We will be essentially Shipping out the units in the next week and the week after that and that's it So all the units should be shipped by then for the indiegogo fans. That's why you are on your way to shenzhen right now So definitely on my way to shenzhen to inspect the new The new letter wallet And also to to look at how the production the packaging and everything else is because we're really kind of midway in that process at the moment So It's really cool to see your secondary display. So how do you implement this? So this is a second Processor that's driving a secondary display. So apart from the big display. We have this two-inch display on the front of the cosmos So here you see the main things like you see your notifications So you can easily like go to the notification and see what's actually happened. It just pulls all notifications from android It pulls all the notifications from android And also it pulls their actions. So for example, if you get a notification from whatsapp You can actually answer a call if it's a whatsapp call notification Without opening the unit As well as that, uh, of course, you can you know, there are other notifications This one says loba part of the api of Of the android system that is possible to respond to notifications. So we've uh, obviously we're capturing those notifications You can capture them in the inside the operating system And we're basically sending them to the screen with their actions and then of course when there's an action sent back we kind of tried to Then action the the the the commands that the notification held within the Notification message because you have a whole different system running this the second display. Yes. So the second chipset So the second display is basically an stm32 chipset with a with a two-inch screen Which is 240 pixels by 536 and then here we also have a toggle switch So you have a toggle so you can make a call and stop a call and also in the middle of that There's a A touchscreen sensor which you can unlock a call with So i'll i'll just show you again Now the phone is locked. I've got this button here Which I can lock the phone with and now if I if I press the Fingerprint sensor in the middle it will unlock the phone So that's quite a nice feature. It's too cool. And then on the front So you've got your notifications here on the front You'll see you've got the phone application The photo the the camera photo camera the video camera the music player An audio recorder voice recorder And also some settings and then a flashlight as well dialing. Okay, so It's very simple Nice So you don't need to open it up every time. No, you don't need to open it up But at all for making calls our answering calls like nothing at all. Yeah, and then you've got some other Nice features. So if we go into the phone app Let's go into the phone app. So there and then we can go and into the contacts and then as well we've got a short menu for selecting a particular letter or also as well as that You know, we can also make dial numbers from so if I go into the phone app again And I'll go into the dialer. I can actually dial a number So, you know, you can dial as well. So you can just dial a number normally like this is the like Nice little OLED not too much power consumption in this one, right? Yes, so it's a low power AMOLED screen. It's AMOLED screen as well as that. The processors are separate so you can actually Close this one down and it just switch it off. Of course, if a notification comes it will pop up again But also you can switch it off completely. So if I go into the Into the system in the settings you have the cover display option So basically you can switch it off completely And then if I go to the outside then you see the screen is no longer operating, right? But if I then switch it back on in the settings, so I'm going to switch it back on in the settings like this Okay, then the screen is back on So also when we open and close the unit We can open and close Then you'll get the logo For a while for a few seconds And then it will go dark But also if we're playing let's say music, so I'm going to start something on On the music player. So now I'm playing some music So which app are you using? So this I'm actually using the Apple Music Apple music Yes So if I'm using that now I can close the unit And I can actually see that now on the front screen Skip the next and I can skip to the next track Nice And stop it too You can stop you can pause you can go to the next track and also you can change music player So let's say we want to change music player. We can change music player and go into another player That's on the system or the spotify or Um, something else. Of course, there's a volume control as well. How do you set which music players are there? So there's a list of players that would be supported on this and we're basically We're basically then utilizing that list and we'll be updating that list as well. So there's things like Spotify Deezer Apple Music Soundcloud So the major apps, so let's say you click on the on one of the other ones now Let's go to Spotify for example from here. So I can try to go to Spotify from here. So I'll go to Spotify So now it's Spotify And you open it on if you open it there It's just Spotify. Yeah, so this is like from the notification kind of area kind of thing, right? Yes, because there's there's a function in android where you can have notifications from your lock screen So is this what you're doing? That's right. Yes. So you're taking all the notifications We're taking them of course the the media ones the music ones We're actually putting into the player. So if the music is playing and you close the unit you'll you'll continue seeing the player Of course, when there's a new notification like this now, you'll see there's an email that's arrived So you'll see this notification flash for a while How much can you do there? What is the stm32? And it's all at display. How much is possible? What so much will happen? We try to optimize the interface here and you know to so that so that this Is at least sort of giving us the the major function. So as I said The camera functions Yeah, it's you can imagine it like a smartwatch on the back of your phone and also but there's some controls also like flight mode like hotspot mobile data wi-fi location bluetooth So so you have those not too much risk that things will trigger in your pocket You can see here. Well, you can lock it so you can lock it with the top button So you're locking it with this button and then you know everything is locked. So basically As soon as you press this button you stop all the calls and you lock the unit So that's kind of one option and then of course you can unlock it with your fingerprint And if you're playing music you lock then it's not going to change tracks or something in your pocket No, it's not but there are two buttons to you're basically this button or the stop button will Will bring the screen back so I can put the screen to sleep And then I'll bring the screen back by pressing either the right hand button or the top button So let's open it up again. And uh, so how's it compared with the gym? I was so impressed. I would use the gemini pda for nine months is my main phone How is uh, this is an upgrade significant upgrade also of the cpu, right? Yeah, I heard that your phone had a little bit of an issue with Some uh water damage. So yeah, so this is this one basically The the big thing is obviously the backlit keyboard. It's got twice as much flash It's got six gigabytes of ram as opposed to four on the gemini 128 gigabytes of Flash as opposed to 64 It has uh, two processors So it has the octa core p70 processor for midi tech and it has the the other processor Which is the stm 32 to drive the outside screen and that p70 is Is it more or less kind of like a doubling or something in performance? p70 is I would say probably about 30 to 40 percent more In terms of speed, it's very good speed. So in terms of you know Scrolling and things it's extremely fast and uh, so that's really good and um So so it's it's pretty good on on totally on the android nine now. It's all android nine. It's a gms so yes and then the the other the other part in terms of the Power is that we've also added the second physical sim slot So that it now has two physical sim slot and the second sim slot is multiplexed together With the e-sim chip So we still have the e-sim chip But you can choose either to use two physical sim slots or one Sim slot physical sim slot and the e-sim chip But you can use them both for data at the same time, no No, you have to choose which one of the two physical sim slot is used for data It would be cool that there was a way to bond two sim cards and get It would be very cool. It would be very cool because we do have dual 4g modems. So you would get like a four and a half g Kind of cooperation, but that's not really supported under i think do 4g should be called 8g Okay 4 plus 4 is 8 right. Yeah, very good. This this arithmetic is catching on yes, but physically couldn't theory support both or it's No, the modems the modems do actually uh, they're dual modems So in theory the chip could support that yes, but it's just what future kind of thing practice you have to choose Which modem is used for mobile data because it's always something I kind of wish that there was some kind of way that I could stream out live streams through bonded to dual LTE to get the stable 10 adp or even 4k stream, but that's that's not a kind of it's it's a good thing So how do you lock and unlock it? Yeah, so basically it's several ways. So one is like one is we use the fingerprint From android so we can also just unlock like this and basically you unlock and that's great if you're using fingerprint But you can you also use things like pin or Or pattern. So here's a pattern unlocked. So we'll go we'll press the pattern and then we'll draw the pattern And this is exactly unlock the pattern. So this pattern started android This is same standard like android, right? So then of course if you want to shut down the phone or reboot then you've got an option here and you can say Okay, I want to shut down from here and you press and then you can say Reboot or shut power off and let's say we do reboot and then you confirm to in the other place And then basically it will then be shutting down the device and this is your nice So this is a little animation now we kind of created. Yeah for the boot and of course the It will now restart. So it's going to power up again and We have a little message saying hello, I'm Cosmo when we start and then it starts up the phone starts powering up the phone It's really nice. So that's kind of the basic the basic Operational on on there. So let's say you booting up right now How would you unlock the first time? Can you do by fingerprint? So the first time you know the first time you need to actually go inside the android And for the first time you need to actually draw your pattern That's what that says. Yeah, this is kind of required. So basically this is I don't like to start by fingers And then essentially it will continue then booting on the main screen And um, let's say The the maybe one of the most usual cases is that you start On that side on on the front front side and then you can have your finger just on the back Yeah, so I'll show you that as well. So basically, uh, if we look at this this way, so Let me let me let me show you this. So basically now the screen is locked on the inside Okay, now I can just touch with the fingerprint on the back And it will just start the android Nice fully server just triggered. I mean there's like function by touching is yes You don't need to push the power button or anything like that because before you need to go over here Yes, you don't need to do that. You don't need to press that one. No, you don't need to do that. All right, so this is a Again, this is like a notification now. Also some nice things about language changes So I can show you in the language changes if we change the language Let's say we go here and we change the language in the keyboard So we'll do the keyboard keyboard and we'll change the language Configure and let's say we'll choose japanese And then we choose a japanese keyboard and now we'll close the unit See the interface is now in japanese So basically so the screen is kind of trying to do and trying to be Very close to android so all the all the ui is now in uh in japanese How do you do that on that? Do you develop the whole api for this area too? Yes, that's gonna be a ways to integrate even more. Yes, so there's ways on the api There are ways to basically keep the screen independent of the operating system on the main processor So if we're running linux like if we're running debian linux or sailfish We could still utilize the api that we're using for the outside screen because the outside screen is using a operating system called free artos And on top of free artos, there's a library that we use called seger Something called emwin from seger and then on top of that is our ui for the for the What we call for the cover display. We call it the kodi the cover display And it's fully compatible with all kinds of linux. Whatever people want to do in the future. Well We'll open up the api so that people can use it. So it's not so if The linux communities wants to use it They can use it because it's a very nice way of Actually interfacing with the phone without opening the the cosmo because linux is famous for not really having Phone ui's that much except sailfish. Yeah, so there's sailfish and there was a little bit of ubud to touch at one point Today sailfish And basically this will allow a kind of very simple ui to be implemented All the phone calling actually the ui doesn't need to be implemented But the the only the api needs to really be implemented because the ui is already implemented So maybe maybe that will help or something. Yeah, so all of the music player the notifications the Even the camera, you know Essentially, but the key one to start with would be probably the phone the phone The phone dialer because that's kind of and the incoming call handler because those are kind of very important, right? So and that would just work just like that or needs to be done a bunch of stuff in linux when it's Of course, there's a bunch of stuff in linux But nothing needs to be done on the on the cover display or hopefully very little, right? So um, so that's kind of where How much support do you think it's going to be for linux this time around? So, you know, there are people actively working on getting the multi-boot Multi-boot, so I've seen some cosmos with three or four booting partitions, which is kind of nice in inside the the company but also It's uh, it's we're getting we're getting somewhere with linux We're you know, the the key thing is to get linux to boot and to get the graphical ui to work And we're not quite there yet, but we'll get there So aren't you the most advanced linux on on media tech in the world? Oh, we've got a few interesting things. So possibly the most advanced media tech on linux Also, possibly the best easy management on linux. Those are kind of maybe in terms of media on sorry on media tech On the easy management. So easy management and linux on media tech. We're probably kind of leading leading the way there Can how's it going with media tech because it's really probably very interesting partnership you have going on there? I think it's it's uh, it's exciting, you know, I'm very excited to hear some first rumors about the 5g And very excited to see any system on chip that comes out with with the 5g So obviously very excited about that. We're very happy with this processor. We're very happy with android 9 so So far so good and also, you know, the frequency set on the cosmo is tremendous in terms of, you know, we've been testing in the states We've been testing on the horizon on t-mobile on at&t and really the performance is You know, really really great, you know, which is which is what? You know, for example band 71 was not even supported on chips like x27 But it's now supported on chips like p60p70. So the helio range so the p-range So we're very very pleased that the modems are supporting more of the us frequencies on And of course, we've reflected that in our filter design so that we can capture those frequencies as well it's one of the things that the high silicon kirin or the Qualcomm or the samsung were more or less having More international kind of modems before but media tech is on par now Especially if you choose while you making the different versions you get full coverage of what people need Yes, I think, you know, now they really sort of media takes really caught up with, you know, having dual 4g Really caught up with with Qualcomm on many on many levels so, you know dual 4g and and Really great performance good power good power performance as well now on the On the 5g, you know, when we when we see something I hope that media tech will be And I believe they will be a much stronger follower than on 4g They'll be much more aggressive. I think and and that's uh, that's uh That's my hope but also you implement a new antenna sees style Yes, you get stronger signal. See there's my mode on there's there's diversity So there's my mode tennis. So there's three antennas on the on the cosmo as opposed to two antennas on the Gemini There's also an NFC circuit. So Yeah, there are there are a lot of differences. There are a lot of modifications I didn't mention at all the 24 megapixel camera, which you know, we're really very pleased How do you take a picture without even opening it up and stuff you can't You can you can take a picture from the inside. So of course Now in Japanese, but I will take a picture. So you can go here and you can take a picture So here we're we've got a picture and that's gonna go, you know, that's a 24 megapixel Picture so you can really zoom in quite far nice quality and still have some pretty good quality Yeah, it's a very nice camera and then on the outside You can go into the menu and you can select the picture. So now you're gonna see your camera And you know, I can take a photo there And also I can take a photo with you can set settings like flash or resolution Um, so actually this is uh, this is photo. So yeah, we can set the flash mode And now I can shoot with flash I think this is the flash one. So this one I'm in Japanese right now. So and you can set different resolutions as well On the backside no batteries too low for the flash Yeah, but this will give you some but it's basically pulling over the the image information from the camera app over to the backside It will be a little bit slower, but the video recording will be very good. It's fully fully smooth video and picture and everything Yes, and also, you know things like rotation. So if you're rotating So here it's like this and now we're gonna rotate So the rotation it will deal with rotation as well Um, yeah and things like that All right, so so you can do so you can do high resolution selfies 24 megapixel selfies, okay So that's kind of something that it's not it's not usually there that's for that camera, but you also have a right here Yeah, so there's also a five megapixel camera on here for things like skype and uh, and so on. Yeah So skype and video cooling. So if I pull up the camera There's also a camera that you can rotate like this. So there's another camera here That's a five megapixel the standard Yeah, the same selfie cam but the the outside selfie cam is really high-res, so So how exciting is it? How was this meet-up you had in japan, for example, and how's the excitement on the internet the launch and the meet-up in japan we're very excited about the the We're excited about the launch and you know, we basically tried to get the software to be really sort of Working well especially on the outside screen to really be working well For shipping to backers. So that's been a big work right over the past year It's been a quite an interesting year. Yes, but you know, it's uh, I think it's quite rewarding and also You know the team that was working on the ui. They all went on holiday two weeks ago, so Mark Igor and Sebastian so they all went away on holiday and they well deserve holiday on the beach Maybe I don't know about beach, but they're they're they're they're not in the office And you have those little flags right here. Do you have like different ways to do print print out? So we have some thumb stickers and these are some of the Croatian Croatian sort of checkered flag, but There there's some these are fun stickers. We have some uk stickers We have some uk flag stickers. We have some Croatian stickers. We have some like stickers of birds and eyes and Some other fun stickers for the flames. So these fun stickers will be available more Sort of more for promotional purposes. I think to to to users. So it's been uh, uh, fantastic couple years already now Yeah, how is it? How about meetings with huge telecos and yeah, we're meeting with We're in some ranging discussions for the telcos. We're talking to distributors We will have a backer meeting in London before the end of the year So hopefully near the second half of november or very latest early december. So that's something to to look out for so that people can See the units and of course they'll the backers. We already have their units by the time we have the backer meeting so uh, but just sort of to share some experiences, etc And hopefully get two millions of devices. No, you have everything to sell two million of devices at the moment We're still on thousands. Uh, hopefully tens of thousands early next year, but um, it looks like you have everything set up to change the the world Even more than the first gen. It's a really it's a really rounded product And this is what you know, the the gemini was our first kind of launch into sort of pocket computing. This is really a great Second generation product. It's a step up from the gemini And we really think that it's a highly usable device both as a phone And as a little pocket computer and everybody in the industry knows that you are Taking you seriously when you speak with you, right because they see you've you've delivered some amazing first gen and the second gen now like Um, right you're getting probably a lot of interesting discussions Having a second device certainly Means that you know people are taking us more seriously than having one device So I think that's important and the fact that we've Delivered a second device I think is also very important. Um, you know, we consistently deliver two devices both within uh Each each within a year of start of a project. So I think that's kind of uh pretty good. So I'm a member on this really cool facebook page. How about that? The the gemini and the gemini. Yeah, so so there's a there's a few interesting groups I think on the facebook. So yeah, the the gemini facebook group is really uh, pretty pretty vibrant And of course, I know that a lot of people are eagerly awaiting their devices. So, uh, You know, thanks for everybody running that and also, uh, you know, we know that There's been quite a few active people in the community and um, I think, you know It's it's really been a great support from the community right from the word go on the cosmo and and and and and and the and the facebook group and uh In supporters from from from the social media. I think it's really great lots of fans. I'm sure it's growing I think I have a feeling it's growing really pleased that people like the device and uh, I hope that They like the direction that we're going in. Of course, this is our second device. It's our 4g dual 4g device and hopefully this uh, this will bring a lot of uh fun and and and happiness to a lot of people, uh enjoyment And you know, obviously we're we're looking at where to go next but at the moment we're just focused on getting this absolutely right and getting it out the door and getting it to everybody by the End of the first week of november. So that's kind of the the plan