 That is not where I key that doesn't have pockets. We are Streaming are we streaming? Oh, it's Monday February 12th. Can you believe it? We're almost halfway through Wow, don't remind me reminds me I have to do taxes. Oh, I need to get That is not something I'm looking forward to Oh Taxes Taxes I'm gonna file my city taxes this week. Those are just annoying. They're they're just paperwork La city taxes are pretty easy. They just have to do them But I don't do la city taxes You are not an LLC though True. I have a soul proprietor Proprietor that's what I am. I have to file three city taxes one for sword and laser one for some brilliant and one for myself because I Claimed deductions as a business on my personal returns and LA requires you to do that. Yeah Yeah, you're gonna run a car really need someone to do my taxes territory Thanks. Oh for the sword and laser part. Yeah, that's fine Hello Veronica Are you good? I'm good. How was your call? Was your call good? Tell us about it. Yes. Tell us all the secret details These are busy. Yeah, it was good. Good. Good. Well, I'm glad you have time to do the show though We're happy to have you. I wonder if I deduct my full amount of my property Roger's happy too. He's just oh, I'm very happy for you And about taxes I know the show is about to start, but how are we all feeling about the winter Olympics? Oh, I'm Started I haven't seen any We've been watching it non-stop. I have to But it's It's so disjointed because there's so many ways to watch everything live I want to talk about this. We don't have enough time before the show But don't forget bring it back up after the show because I have a lot to say and it involves a radion 580 razor enclosure and bad UI Sounds cool. Yeah, stick around Poe show is gonna be the Olympic torch lit. I've seen opening ceremonies. I liked better. Yeah All right before I get sucked into talking about that with you. Let's start the show. Shall we okay? All right Here we go three two the Daily Tech News show is brought to you by people like me not outside Organizations to learn more go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday, February 12th, 2018 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from studio Bay City. I'm Veronica Bay City like altered carbon base Like it. Oh, I was thinking Bay City rollers also Near me called Bay City's Italian deli Of course, that's our producer Roger Chang Yes in inland cities. I'm I'm I'm I'm on the coast of the Inland Empire. How's that? All right, that's cool. Well a lot of times we feel like people get too many Apple or Google rumors But today I'm throwing that to the wind because we've got some pretty interesting and somewhat reliable because they're from Mark German Apple and Google rumors, but let's start with a few other tech things. You should know Another Apple story but different one according to motherboard an Apple intern was behind the leaked iOS 9 source code that appeared on github last week The code was originally given to a close group of five friends years ago, but eventually leaked outside the group Don't tell anyone Don't give anybody this especially don't put it on github Google has made its cloud tensor processing units available in public beta for companies who want to do AI Processing Google cloud customers will pay six dollars and fifty cents per TPU per hour during the beta AMD has released the Ryzen Raven Ridge desktop AP use those are accelerated processing units They have graphics and CPU capability So they have radion Vega graphics inside the Ryzen three twenty two hundred G costume 99 bucks Yeah, tired of paying Bitcoin mining inflated prices Maybe check these AP use out four cores for threads for the CPU and eight radion Vega compute units for the GPU The Ryzen 2400 G cost 169 bucks still not very expensive four cores and eight threads for the CPU and 11 radion Vega See use the cards have less L3 cache and fewer PCIe lanes than Ryzen CPUs But tests from a lot of different people Say that the performance drop is minimal and it's a decent option for budget gamers So good news good to know let's talk a little more but more about the kids though And what are they doing with Facebook Veronica? Oh the Facebook's e-marketer estimates Facebook usage among 12 to 17 year olds in the US Dropped 9.9 percent in 2017 or about 1.4 million users to a total of 12 point 1 million e-marketer found Facebook lost about 2.8 million us users younger than 25 last year the research firm estimates that decline will continue in 2018 though overall growth will rise for Facebook Thank to thanks to growth in older demographics and I read this earlier And it sounds like a lot of this is happening from usage high usage in both Snapchat and Instagram Which is still technically a Facebook property But is I guess not being counted in these numbers Kind of funny too that the age range of what e-marketer is looking at in the decline Includes 12 year old since you have to be 13 years old to have a Facebook account supposedly But there's probably enough data as to you know It's it's a standard it's a standard demographic right so 12 to 17 doesn't mean they're like Trying to encourage girls. They're saying we always look at 12 to 17 We know Facebook it you're not supposed to use it at that until you're 13 But at least when you're comparing Facebook numbers to Facebook numbers, they will be consistent across those Well, this is also interesting too because it really feels like a lot of what has to do with the the You know this surge in Instagram and Snapchat usage is the impermanence of it and Facebook is really more tied around Kind of recognizing special events or posting things related to your family and friends that you kind of want to stick around So, you know a lot of teens had been whitewalling their Facebook posting things and deleting them But I guess eventually that just got boring and now they just rather go to something that doesn't stick around for very long I Don't know that it's necessarily bad for Facebook to become the grown-up place, right? You know you start on whatever the hot new app is when you're a teen and then you move into snapchat and then you go maybe you go to Instagram and then into Facebook and maybe Twitter if you get political or something but What I think is on is hard to tell us how much snapchat really is a part of that and what else are teens doing because Snapchat while its user growth is recovering. It's still not growing as gangbusters as it used to So I feel like there are other apps picking up the slack out there There was a Tech Rancher article about Instagram Testing the ability for you know Veronica takes a screenshot of one of my Instagram stories for me to be notified Which is the snapchat feature, you know, it's one of those things where I'm like, is that really happening all that like is that is that really Instagram creepers. I mean clearly it is. I you know This is fascinating to me because I was really into snapchat for a while I have full on moved over to Instagram stories and it's you know, yeah, the features are okay There's some some things I like about Instagram better than snapchat But not a ton. It's really just that that's where my people are and maybe because I'm a little bit older And I guess Instagram stories for me just is more fun because I actually know that my friends are there And don't forget snapchat had a very unpopular redesign rollout this weekend So whether it will be just the normal like things changed I hate it and then everybody gets used to it or maybe this time it pushes people off the platform is Flash has been I mean, yes It is and I've you know, I finally got the new design as well And I was kind of like and you know, pressing the wrong things or you know swiping left when I'm used to swiping right But it still works the same Yeah, it seems a little dramatic Did you did you hear that? It's like the third most retweeted tweet of all time is the one that was like a joke like retweet this if you Want snapchat to go back to its old wow its old UI the third most retweeted tweet people don't like change No, they don't change is hard Uber announced it will require its most frequent drivers to take six hour breaks after driving for 12 hours straight The company is really not an update to the driver version of the app over the next two weeks So that it logs off after counting 12 hours of driving and then drivers won't be able to log back in until the app registers Six hours offline the app will send a warning at the 10-hour mark saying got two hours left And then again at the 11th hour drowsy driving is the cause of up to 6,000 fatal crashes annually according to the National Highway Traffic Safety administration You know, it's interesting Mike Isaac who's writes for the New York Times, but is also writing a book about uber Said he was chatting up an uber driver about this change You know in a recent trip and they said, you know a lot of us also ride for our drive for Lyft Yeah, we'll just switch over. Yeah uber and Lyft don't have a problem with that, right? You can you can go back and forth so in a way, you know If you want to just keep going after 12 hours, and you don't think you're tired You could get around this easily and still make money. However, that's obviously really dangerous Yeah, this is that was the first thing that went into my mind when I saw this story I was like, oh the people drivers will immediately find a way around this they have found so many interesting Hacks basically for the system to let them get around some of these limitations and things that uber or Lyft put in place So I there's no doubt in my mind that if someone is is dedicated to driving You know a 15-hour day that they're gonna find a way to do it for sure and probably not much difficulty either That's really the interesting thing about where ride hailing sits There there's been a backlash against ride hailing saying you're trying to pretend that your employees are independent contractors But they're really employees. However, this is an example where they are definitely behaving like independent contractors If they try to get around this the idea of you shouldn't be allowed to work more than 12 hours straight is kind of taken from uber is your employer and they should be doing something To make sure that you don't work too much and they should pay you overtime and all of that's the theory, right? Whereas the driver that says well, I'll turn off uber for six hours and go to Lyft is Exercising as an independent contractor if you're a normal full-time employee, you wouldn't be able to like just say I'm gonna go work for the competitor across the street, you know for the next eight hours I mean you could moonlight, but even some companies don't want you to moonlight at a non competitive job So it's it's really Interesting and and I was of two minds when I first read this I'm like look if you want to work long hours You should be allowed to do it But on the other hand, I think there is a thing I think there is a point where companies do have a responsibility to say We can't stop you from overworking, but we can at least stop you from overworking for us because that's dangerous well, and just a few PR nightmares you know if if We could point to well obviously these drivers feel underpaid and so they're working too much and they're fatigued and we're getting into accidents If you have enough of that kind of thing going on Uber and Lyft, and you know other other companies that are in the space You know might be forced to come together Whether or not they really want to just because We can't you can't have a ride-healing service where your drivers are, you know the incapacitated Yeah, so they could be forced to you know make some sort of an allegiance Whether if the problem gets that bad that the other thing is how many drivers actually do want to work? More than 12 hours. I imagine it's a small number So maybe this is enough to to dissuade even that small number I've had so many bad Uber drivers. Sometimes I'm like it's a wonder. I've not been in an accident I have wondered often the same thing as well, but I guess it's a it's a choice. We opt ourselves into Apple LG and Valve are making a $10 million investment in Imagine spelled E M a G I n despite the name. It's actually a really interesting company It makes OLED micro displays or OLED micro displays for use usually by the medical industry industrial Uses military devices, but the US based company said it is in fact making it for tier one clients It didn't connect it directly to the investment, but come on. We can put the dots together It is making micro displays for head-mounted devices Imagine makes a 2k display with a resolution of 2048 by 2048 pixels with a 70% fill factor So everyone's guess is that Apple LG and Valve are going to make more lightweight headsets with these high-quality OLED micro displays inside. So these are that that kind of mid-range between an HTC Vive and you know a What's the galaxy one now? It's escaping me or board or the or the Google one Well, yeah, it says here the LG and Valve have also partnered on developing a VR head-mounted display So that sounds like it's definitely they're probably working together. Yeah, that's definitely in the works And then of course we've been you know Waiting with bated breath to see what what Apple releases into that world click baited breath really, you know Maybe not even I mean to me. I go man. What are they gonna do? How are they gonna make it work with the phone? Are they gonna make a head display that works with the phone? Are they gonna be is gonna be AR with AR kit? I don't know. I guess we'll find out eventually Yeah, I'm actually more interested in the LG and Valve one because that one seems real That one seems like one. I will actually see come out Oh, yeah, and so so it but it is interesting to see multiple companies like that Even ones that aren't necessarily working with each other unless they are unless maybe all three work together to to invest in a company not just Hire them but invest in them because they want to make sure this company is on solid footing, right? Well Reuters sources say Amazon secretly acquired the maker of blink home security cameras late last year in a deal worth $90 million Amazon supposedly hopes to use the acquisition to lower production costs and extend battery life of its devices like the cloud cam and echo Blink cameras claim to last two years on a pair of double-a batteries in addition The information has sources who tell it that Amazon is designing its own AI chips to improve its voice assistant Amazon acquired chip designer and a perna labs in 2015. Yeah unrelated story By the way, Amazon laying off a few hundred employees from its corporate headquarters in a few other places today From its consumer retail business. Yeah, it's got 40,000 people though So a few hundred really isn't isn't much these Amazon stories are more interesting to me, especially the blink one because a Double-a battery running a camera That's Incredibly attractive to people who want to have long battery life cameras It's got to be incredibly attractive to Amazon who's had one attempt at an Amazon voice service powered device That wasn't stable the the the the portable Bluetooth speaker that had it built in And they probably want something that they can say hey put this camera outside It'll run on two double-a batteries and have Amazon voice services built in that would be insane Yeah, I just think is there's still a lot of space in that in that Sector to do interesting things because with home security like we have a nest and I'm just I'm not into it Like the hardware spine the software to me is just not great Personally, that's my opinion. Do you pay for their service? Yeah, and you still aren't satisfied that tells you something. Yeah. Yeah, so room to grow I don't pay for the nest camera service, but have some nest cameras and they're fine because you know what I mean Like I have no expectations of them. I'm not paying for the service. I just want them to show me the thing They're pointed at mostly my dogs and They do that so Yeah, that's okay, but I guess if I were paying for it. I'd probably be more critical Yeah, who knows how many people will want to use these Amazon security cameras. I mean Amazon when When the cloud cam first rolled out it was this whole sort of like security at your front door, right? But you can use security cameras in lots of different ways I wonder how much Amazon is like, you know the two-year, you know, two double-a batteries like that sounds great And as people get more used to the fact that these are really good robust cameras Hopefully low-cost especially by in this company then, you know, they can compete with you know, the drop cams of the world even Yeah, so my guess is what they were doing with drop cam was Focusing on the front door because that's a way to get you to take Amazon For seriously and say, oh, maybe I should get an Amazon with that because I do order from Amazon With the idea of eventually spreading it elsewhere Amazon echo when it first came out was just a tower, right? Now they have multiple versions. So I could see them doing the same thing with drop cam All right, we've got we're gonna combo the next two stories together because we think they're Indicative of a trend kick us off at the first one Sarah. All right sources till Bloomberg's Mark Gurman He's the apples worse over at Bloomberg that Apple will change development of iOS to a two-year cycle rather than a single year While still updating the operating system yearly developers will have freedom to push back features That just aren't ready to the second year of the cycle the idea is to focus on quality and reliability Over hitting a bunch of features at a specific time Gurman also says the next version of iOS will include the ability to run apps on Mac OS and will add an emojis on iPad Which means that iPad would be getting face or face ID rather Well Google's been doing a similar way of developing for a long time And they've had the ability to run Android apps on Chrome OS for a while So what are they going to do? Well Bloomberg's Mark Gurman who's also the Google source along with Mark Bergen in this case Both Mark Bergen and Mark Bergen report their sources say the next version of Android do later this year Will include the ability to handle a notch in the screen similar to what the iPhone 10 and the essential phone have Android P as it will most likely be called until it gets a candy name Will also let third-party apps use Google Assistant That's something Siri doesn't do yet promise better battery life and support multiple screens as well as foldable displays Both of which have been rumored from various companies like Samsung well, I mean This is always the problem I have which is that Google always is a couple steps ahead in my mind in terms of cool features that I would like to have immediately but Apple always tends to have a better Implementation of those features that I'm more likely to use and so that to me feels like my constant struggle even though I have largely stayed in the you know, the Apple ecosystem for the past, you know Almost decade at this point now But yeah, I mean those those rumors that that two-year cycle is interesting But it feels like especially in light of of recent launches that maybe they need a little more time baking some of their ideas before they They push them out. I think you know back in the day with iOS, you know, I remember it being like, oh, you know That you know what I was three went to iOS 4 or whatever. It's like they're huge You know, it's a big update. You know, and we're looking at like all these are all the things that are new I think that that sort of fell off for me when we got enough iPhone models that certain You know, the iPhone 10 does things that my iPhone seven Don't do Yeah, that's God. I don't even remember already starting to get used to the fact that depending on your you know What unit you have you might have different features so it matters to me less really and I don't really care if it's a two-year cycle I Want features to be rolled out that are fully baked and I think that Apple has had to you know Kind of come to terms with the fact that Some some of the stuff was probably rushed in an effort to you know Be on this yearly cycle and it really would behoove developers to have a little bit more time to be able to Stress test some of these features before they get rolled out to the public. So to me. It's like this just is more realistic Yeah, I mean it kind of reminds me of all like even the macOS stuff like Nobody know what I know is upgrading to high Sierra because of the the just the total Poop emoji show it's been for a lot of folks. I'm on high Sierra at all my devices. They're fine. So Computers and it is now completely dead. I mean it happens, right? I'm not saying it doesn't happen and maybe it's happening more with high Sierra than in the past I think that's absolutely true. I also just I always want to throw in that, you know It gets exaggerated by the by the loudest voices sometimes or in your case if you're proximal to an incident You think it happens to everybody No, no, I know but yeah, I'm just I'm just I'm just saying you can't get exaggerated But to your point it is definitely happening and Apple doing this sort of acknowledges that they are not satisfied with How bug-ridden some of their soft I mean to to also to my point like have we ever really had to think about this in a way like previously I would just upgrade everything and not think twice about it. Oh, I was always nervous Well, you're you well that seat of doubt has now been sewn in my brain for for for that reason So I actually am a little less hesitant to upgrade than it used to be because Third-party software handles it better, but it shifted from me being I'm not gonna update because software I use will break because the developers haven't got around to upgrading yet now I'm like I'm not gonna upgrade until I'm sure the operating system itself doesn't have bugs. That's a difference That's a big difference. I I like what they're saying in this Bloomberg article though where the their engineering team has gotten so big That they've decided that rather than say well, we're gonna announce stuff at WWDC. So you better ship it they're going to Allow you to say the stuff that isn't ready. Let's not force bugs into the software push it off And and that way you can be a little more flexible and say yeah, the feature is still coming It's just gonna come next year I wonder though if they just need to be less ambitious and have a smaller engineering team You know, maybe that's the solution if the smaller team worked better Well, and you know, it's sort of this it's you know, it's sort of this false sense of oh, you know They're you know on November 1st. I'm just making up that date You know, this is when I the new iOS rolls out. So everybody's got to get ready It's like or you roll out updates as they happen You know, which which I know is you know what the Android team is it is more used to so it's like What is Apple get out of you know, the fanfare of a new iOS dropping? I think a few years ago. There was a lot more of it than there then there is now It's kind of like lining up outside an Apple store for a new iPhone It's the company that has evolved to say well, you know as fun as that was It makes a lot more sense for us to have Stable OSes if we if we shift our strategy and to the Android side of this story I think it's very exciting that they are developing support for multi screens Not because I can say that I want a multi-screen phone But when the operating system supports it you see more manufacturers decide to experiment with those things and I'm very curious if somebody can make that work finally I Know I love the idea of a foldable display. I just don't know how it works I want somebody to make that work Looks like a piece of paper that you can like literally fold and yeah all the way down to a small piece And then open up and it has a has a display on it also and in counterpart on stars Hmm. 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This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute Saw a new app out I haven't had a chance to try it yet because it is Android only and I'm on an iPhone but it is called air ticket arena and this appears to be a Dutch auction for Airline tickets basically airlines set the percentage of seats they want to sell and 24 hours and 48 hours before the departure Then they set how much money they want to get for the ticket and apparently the price keeps dropping You get to put in how much you're willing to pay and as soon as it drops to the point of which you're willing to pay Assuming it does so you want to do this with Flexibility because you may not get tickets then your tickets are automatically purchased and The e tickets are sent directly to the passenger and you can take this last-minute flight It's for people who either chronic procrastinators or better yet for people who have flexibility and are willing to go if they can find a deal The app again is air ticket arena in the Google Play Store And I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. And by the way, it's a Dutch auction not a Dutch company Am I crazy or is this exactly what price line did back in the day very similar? Yeah, very similar idea like I can go today maybe There've been a couple times where price line. I felt very bait and switched where I was like I'll do it and then it was like ah crap I'd you know now I'm flying on a day. I didn't really want to fly This is this is different though where price line was like you say you'll do it and then we'll tell you how much right? With a max on your spending this one is working a little different where you'll you'll put in your bid and then you'll go when they Tell you you're gonna go with again within a range Hey, thanks. Nice to have Seriously, just let me know when I'm leaving. Absolutely. 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I think yeah Uber warns of its 11th hour Anything Veronica Sarah Jumping out to me It's not as good as tasks Thomas a service Those are all before the show references though, I don't know if they make sense with the regular show. Yeah, I like clickbaited breath Clickbaited breath is good, or I like Facebook all the kids aren't doing it That Facebook all the kids aren't doing it That actually works the best that works really well. Yeah, all right Sold sold sold American What does that even mean like is it like when they say that like I don't know look it up I don't have time to look it up right now, but I bet you can find out what sold American means Yeah, why would they say sold American? Like if you're at an auction Obviously sold in the location you're at what if you're in Germany It's all the Germany it's that sold in See now you're making me look it up Sorry It's a 1938 song composed by Glenn Miller So it's a song reference There's a chant by the orchestra repeated twice at the beginning and twice at the ending sold American so it's just a song reference. It's just like when somebody Makes you know says something that's a Drake lyric or something For some reason I Cannot turn off Fitbit email notifications when someone would like to be healthy with me You know that notification where it's just like I just I don't even have a Fitbit anymore. Yeah, I don't either I Did get the new Apple Watch yesterday though. You can you just delete the Fitbit app. Does that not get rid of them? You have to like delete your account Yeah, like I don't feel the need to do that. I just can't seem to turn off email notifications. Oh email notifications. I see I see Wait, my mother is giving us trivia that I don't understand she says It also came from an old lucky strike cigarette ad what are we talk what were we talking about sold American Okay sold American lucky strike cigarettes featured a tobacco auctioneer at the end of their radio ad jingle saying sold American to emphasize that America purchased the highest quality tobacco for its cigarettes Hi, mom. I See you've joined us today Thank you Linnell, thank you. No All right, I got to go get ready for my next Next meeting Well, thank you Veronica So we were gonna talk about the Olympics Yes, you were saying something about so many different ways to watch Sarah making it kind of confusing So it's you know, I realized that I'm complaining about something, you know, I'm complaining about having more choices than I used to have The Olympics are one of those things where I realized that you know back in the day before we didn't have, you know All these real-time viewing options. You just had to tune into NBC and they'd give you what they gave you But I was so used to that that it's like, you know a three hour block prime time sunday night, you know, it's like I still sort of want to do that but I realized that it doesn't work anymore because You can't just be like no one knows who won the figure skating, you know Because we all do so it's like We've ruined it for ourselves Yes, uh, and in the summer Olympics my solution to that was the gold zone So you could Go to the app choose the gold zone and it would show you What was happening at that moment and just flip from one thing to another As interesting things were happening like last few seconds of a team handball game or 100 meter dash finally happening just That was great It was highlights. So it was it was live though Because rio was in the same time zone. So it worked in the evening. The problem this time is korea Starts their day Like in the evening for us and all the really prime stuff happens at like three in the morning So you need that recap show which they're doing again called gold zone You can get on the app But it's at 9 a.m So in the evening when I'm like I'm done with my day. Let me watch some olympics There's live stuff happening But it's not like you say it's not that that convenient like here's all the stuff that happened So I can I can watch the gold zone from the morning But I did that on sunday and what happened was I watched the gold zone and I was like, okay cool Now I'll watch what's happening on mbc and they were re-running stuff from the gold zone to fill in between the live events Yeah on the nbc Sports app which apple tv has a has an app for and it's great, you know, it's like we can't miss anything Yeah, that's what I want to watch there But you know, I also find where it's like it's almost like I want the sports center version of the olympics It's like they have um good stuff. Yeah, they have they have that it's the olympics channel News roundup and it just shows you all the highlights watching it last night and like there'd be like Minutes upon minutes where it was just like a title screen with some music You know, so it's like it's getting there, but it still feels very kind of like somebody's pushing You know some buttons on the outside wait, you were watching the olympics you were watching the olympics news Thing I was watching the olympics channel Uh, uh, you know option on the nbc sports app You have to fast forward to where it starts because they broadcast it live and the on demand doesn't start where it's live Which is dumb Right, uh, and then if you hit a commercial break If you hit a if you hit a commercial break, they make you sit through a blank break where it says commercial break in progress sometimes Which is amazing. Uh, it it boggles my mind Um that I mean espn does this all the time because I watch espn on my apple tv almost exclusively um That like those spots aren't filled with advertisers all the time Well, I could tell you why that is I could tell you why that is They decide that they want to charge people more for the digital They're like you can buy our prime time and if you want to pay extra Or maybe they want to sweeten the deal we'll throw in the digital pat tear as well and so Lots of advertisers don't buy the digital they just want prime time And so because they want to withhold it to charge more They can't fill that inventory with the other ads so they end up not fully selling it Well, okay. I understand that that would be your first option But if you're espn and you know that some of your you know, your big partners Just aren't like they're not convinced of digital yet Then instead of not selling it Why not have the like okay the second pass of like selling it to you know people who Will pay because then people will just wait and say well, why I'm not going to pay for your digital rate I'm just going to wait until you bring it down. So you have to you have to play a little game of chicken Yeah I suppose I just you know, I don't watch cable television right honestly commercials or you know, I I just don't see them What's interesting is if you watch I think This may be true or I may be being fooled, but if you watch the live NBC main feed live digitally You still get full commercial breaks So either they sold that out or they're mimicking the runs I mean eventually Nielsen has got products that say look, we'll just tell you you where your spot got seen It doesn't matter where and we'll get rid of this digital tier versus broadcast like ridiculous segmentation But by then probably you'll have like personalized ad streams based on who you are And not everybody will be seeing the same ads anyway Yeah Well, I mean so the winter olympics are I mean I've had to choose between the two I prefer summer But winter olympics are really great and one of my favorite Events is is ice skating Men's and women's of course like everybody else But it's like I just remember it being like this like at 8 p.m Tonya Harding's gonna take that you know, it's like it was this whole you know kind of event thing and I sort of long for you know being forced to Watch a lot of the stuff with other people because you know, it's It's you can off especially sports. You still can Most of the main events are happening in the evening anyway Yeah Like yesterday the big the big skating was happening in the evening and everybody was watching it on twitter and talking about it at the same time Yeah, you're right. You're right But I mean I got into it late and so when I go to the app, it's like it's packaged up real nice for me Which is great But um, what time did you get to it then? Uh Last night. Yeah Seven ish. Oh no, there was still live stuff going on at seven for sure I know, but there was so much of it that here's the problem. Here's what I think the real problem is When you go to the app and this is the same on the website. It's impossible to tell what what is what? It's a it's a you're just like, okay. I'm basically at like some like festival Yeah No, it is really you have to look really closely to figure out like what's actually live now Because they'll have like the nbc live feed enhanced the nbc live feed not enhanced And then that'll be labeled as like three different sports But then they'll have that sport labeled separately, but that's not actually the live stuff of the sport That's the prepackage stuff of the sport then they'll have nbc sn the exact same thing They don't have anything broken down just by sport It's really annoying what they did with the app. Well, and at first when I saw enhanced versus standard I'm like, oh, is this like hd like but no, it's like no Like multi cam stuff and it's not even that it's like Text on the right and like Text on the bottom like okay It's enhanced in a way that maybe some people want but not necessarily honestly The enhanced page ended up being useful for me in the airport because on my laptop The the screen size didn't matter as much of the video and we couldn't really hear So seeing the fact that they were putting up was helpful because I'm like, oh, okay That's cool But when we were watching it on our tv, it's like no, I don't want a smaller picture. That's that's not enhanced right um, yeah I think it was okay if we're thinking of The winter olympics. No, it was actually summer. So it's like if we go like two four Six, maybe it was about six years ago. The last summer olympics anyway, um, I remember That it was the nbc app or some version of whatever it was six years ago on the ipad Being like you could just watch, you know, basically a stream a live stream You know, it was the first time that I had ever been able to do that And it was like the commentary wasn't there the you know, the irons weren't there It was just it was kind of raw But it was really cool and I overdosed that year on just like watching, you know, like on my ipad the olympics were always playing Um, but now i'm like, uh, that's You know, that's it's it's like I need it to be packaged better than that Like I want it to be like old school nbc stuff. No, that's and it's there. It is there. You just can't find it That's what i'm trying to tell you like what you want is absolutely there and was there at seven o'clock last night I couldn't find like that's that's how much nbc failed you long for the simplicity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah The simplicity before we were crippled by choice, right Now when you log into the nbc app, do you do you also have like playstation view or something like that? Yeah, see because then you could just go to the nbc thing Because we were we were at my uh, my in-laws For a baptism and so in the evening we said, oh, do you want to watch the olympics there said sure we'd love to but We don't have television We have a television and we have a playstation 4 But we don't have cable and we don't subscribe to any services So i'm like, oh, well no problem. You've got a chromecast I will log into my nbc app Because I can't log into my playstation view app because it's mobile restricted But I can use my playstation view credentials to log into my nbc sports app Because it is not mobile restricted. What for whatever reason? So I was playing the thing and I was sending it to the chromecast that worked for like an hour and then the chromecast kept freezing Like we watch for an hour freeze watch for an hour freeze So then we tried hooking up the phone directly to The television but the problem there was for some reason the app wouldn't let me do full screen on the television anymore Uh, it would it would show up smaller like a bunch of black around it. So we're like, well, that's no good Let's hook up my laptop. So we tried to hook up the laptop to the television But I'd forgotten my hdmi adapter to go usbc to hdmi So my brother-in-law says I don't have an hdmi to usbc adapter But I do have this and pulls out a razor enclosure With an invidia 1070 in it We plug it in by usbc Doesn't work Turns out you need some updates to make it work with mac os, but he said don't worry I also have a radion 580. He works for c that so he's got all this stuff He's like so he swaps the radion 580 into the enclosure So we end up with this huge radion 580 in a razor enclosure Worrying away plugged in by usbc actually powering my laptop, which was convenient And then going from hdmi out of the enclosure into the television And we're able to use the website to watch the olympics just fine You made it happen we made it happen There yeah, there are definitely times where it's like this always happens To me when I want to watch a particular basketball game, you know, because there's blackouts and restrictions and oh, right yeah, and um And I don't have cable. So, you know, I have to get creative sometimes But there's illegally Often, you know, it's like you just yeah, sometimes I have to like airplay from my phone to the apple tv or For my computer and there's it's it's even if there's an apple tv app half the time that game isn't there So it has to get cobbled together some other time, but I always feel like a wizard when I figure it out Yeah, I just I think the mbc sports app and Website were much better last last olympics the real olympics Because it was broken down by sport But it was also the the gold zone was your like just that what you were talking about just show me a stream of what's on Yeah, show me like I don't want to think just show me and then it was very clear which broadcasts were like This is what's on mbc. This is what's on mbcs n and it's on right now and it's off this year There's like two nbcs n sometime, but one of them is not real But they both say live and nothing's broken down by sport and it's just Yeah, that was um one of the things about the app last night and uh, you know I didn't do a whole lot of research, but it was like It was marked live, but I'm like, but I know it's not because there's no that happens online about it Yeah, so like it's really confusing. Yeah, like what kind of tape delay are we talking about here? You know Well, and there's two reasons that happen one is they'll put stuff live that isn't live Like you'll click on it and it'll be like this broadcast is ended You can't say when you say live. Yeah, that's what it needs to be The other thing they do any other time is they'll put live for their prime time broadcast Which is fine because it's actually live, but then the prime time broadcast will rerun things So it'll say like live figure skating luge and snowboarding and you'll be like But I know who won luge because that happened earlier today and that happens because they're rerunning it Alongside they'll actually live things. So then that becomes super confusing Well, the truth is is I've um I've been so kind of like Not paying attention to everybody who has qualified for the olympics I don't even know why i'm complaining like, what do I care if things are live or not live? It's like, I don't know who any of these people are anyway, and I just like watching, you know, olympic sports So it's not really some like big issue where i'm like, oh things are spoiled or things aren't live It's like it doesn't really matter I just find that it's become so easy to watch whatever you want package to however you want and you know So many different options and like you said the um the website letting you know when olympic sports are you look at and you're like What? I mean, it's overwhelming. That's not a bad thing I just feel like it's hard for me to keep up But that's probably because I just didn't do enough research beforehand Yeah, but you shouldn't have to you the research you should do is go to the mbc sports site right and like yeah Show me people doing olympic olympic things Okay, I can't do so here i'm gonna I'm gonna screen share this because this is this is what we're talking about So here is The um Here is the current site as you can see how jamie anderson outsmarted the field is a package about jamie anderson That's the big thing even though there's live sports going on right now Apparently or are there I don't know it's all grayed out. It's hard to read but if I hover over it Oh hockey curling biathlon snowboarding live on mbc sn or is it I bet some of those are replays Snowboarding tonight. Okay, but I don't that's tonight. Oh, but then I can watch now That's primetime clothe kim, but can I actually watch that like And then yes, there's these things by sport. They're not as handy as they were in rio But here you go. They have them. Okay figure skating is live I don't want to click on anything because I don't want to broadcast it and then get troubled but Uh, but I know when I go into the sports specific feeds a lot of times Those will end up being Actually alternate commentary Like it's the olympic service commentary in english versus the mbc broadcasters So we were watching figure skating last night trying to catch up on some stuff that we had missed when we were on the airplane And we're like, wait a minute. Why is this not taro lapinski and Johnny weir and it was because when you go in on demand for figure skating you get different commentators Which is also a weird thing writes But isn't johnny weir look like he's broadcasting from the hunger games Uh, yes Actually, isn't that what all this is leading to that's what all of this was about Any final words to our youtube audience, uh Go watch the olympics even though we've both been complaining about it. We're only complaining because it's really fun Or you can do what I do and follow up the next day on who won what? Okay, but no, that's not what i'm saying. I'm saying to you roger chang and everyone else go watch them. They're fun Or catch up the next day. All right. See you guys mangana. Goodbye patrons