 How would you characterize, describe your own worldview? I called myself a social democrat. I think that was my commitment. I was brought up in a social democrat family and I go on with this. I don't know, liberal has too many things in it. Social democrat has obviously some liberal ideals. But if you ask me about sort of a general term to describe, in which I would say, yeah, social democrat. But there was not much social democracy anymore? No, I mean no. What we see is that there was an attack. There was the heydays of social democracy after the war. And there were really the most successful years. And I think that what we see now is a decline of sort of obviously of the organized labor. Because of the nature of the industry, the globalization zone, 200 million people joined the workforce in the countries that weren't integrated in global. And we are now in the midst of changes. So social democracy is challenged both by the neoliberals and by the people on the far left. And I still think that the only sensible worldview in terms of sociality is social democracy. I mean Scandinavia, I think Scandinavia, the Netherlands when it was, I think those are good places to look at. But why is there this ongoing struggle for mankind to create a just society? Well, because just society is a good thing. So you try to bring it. I mean I see all the reasons to bring a just society. But why is it so difficult to succeed? Oh, because there are people who will lose by having a just society. Many people, powerful people will lose a great deal if there is a just society. The point is whether you have enough people who are with vested interest in justice. That's a problem just every day. Why injustice? It's very easy to explain. Why justice is hard to explain. Why people will be motivated to bring about justice? Enough people. And that's very hard actually. You don't have enough of them. Why not? Power is dispersed. I mean to concentrate power is very hard. And in order to, when you concentrate power, you gain lots of things that you don't want to share with others. So the people who gain power usually create oligarchies of certain kinds. And I think what used to be called the iron law of the oligarchy, I think there is a great deal to say for it. That's actually what you say. Even lots of egalitarian parties and egalitarian ideologies, that once they got the power their commitment is gone because the privilege is over. The power is there. It's concentrated. Why to share it with others?