 Next question is from Jazz Fitness. I'd love to hear you discuss the recent debate on range of motion. Is this, okay, we're extending this from, because obviously we did a whole episode. Yeah, I was gonna say, we did a whole episode. What more do you want to hear? Yeah, there was a whole episode. I mean, really the debate was, is a fuller range of motion beneficial when compared to a partial range of motion when it comes to building muscle. And the argument goes, what the partial range of motion argument is, you're able to keep more tension on the target muscle. Once you go outside of a certain range of motion, tension is taken off the muscle. Our argument is, you should be able to maintain tension on your target muscle intrinsically throughout the full range of motion. And training a full range of motion is gonna give you a broader strength range, because your strength is relatively specific. And studies show that muscles that work through larger ranges of motion, they build more anyways. And what you don't train to lose. So if you train a partial range of motion, you start to lose a strength and mobility. So the prerequisites are, can you control that range of motion? Do you have good stability and good connection? If you do, within those parameters, train the fullest range of motion possible. Don't go outside of that. If you have no control, stability, or strength outside of that range of motion, your goal should be to increase that range so you can train in greater and greater range of motion. Well, and in addition to that, even if the other guy that we were having this debate with was completely right, because there's some truth to what he was saying. No doubt that if all your goal was to develop the quads, and once you get out of that range of motion in a really deep squat, less of the quads are being activated and tension is going elsewhere to other muscles that are gonna support that. Even if we were to agree and go that direction, would you want to do that, to sacrifice though the mobility work that it takes for your hips and ankles to get all the way down? Would you, at any age of your life, want to just write that off? If I told you that by doing that, by shortening your range of motion up for years, very much so will probably lead to- It's gonna limit your function. That's right, lead to hip and back and knee pain because you decided to shorten your range of motion up in pursuit of building more muscle in your quads. So even if his case was completely right and we were completely wrong, would you want to do that? That was the problem that I had with that statement and that debate was, okay, maybe a very small percentage of high, high level bodybuilders want to train specifically in that range of motion for a while to get a little bit more development in quads and they don't want any more hamstring or glute or calf work at all. They just want more quads because it's lagging. There's some value to that statement, but pretty much everybody else, I think the statement is more harmful than it is helpful. Yeah, but also along those lines, as a bodybuilder, there's one thing that you do better than any other strength athlete and that is connect- Mind muscle. To target muscles. That's what bodybuilders do phenomenally. So if you're telling me that you lose tension in your quads, when you go down below a certain point, like figure out, you can figure it out, like connect to the, trust me, the quads aren't turning off unless you're relaxing at the bottom or you have poor mobility. The other problem is like it's like there's just too much isolation focus. And you know, in general, we try so hard to promote the value of compound lifts and like what that does is it's such a louder, systemic signal throughout your body that everything has to respond. This is a whole new environment we have to account for. And so to eliminate that as part of the training process is pretty ridiculous because it is gonna affect all the muscles involved with that movement tremendously and you can isolate it and you can sculpt and you can do all that stuff. But to remove that from the conversation is pretty stupid. You know, it's funny, we did a whole, literally a whole targeted episode on this. If you wanna know more, you know, I'm sure it'll be linked here and you can go check it out. But the comments underneath that particular episode, every single person who heard us talking, they, I saw so many experiences of people saying, my knees used to hurt, my back used to hurt, then I worked on mobility, I'm doing deeper squats, all the pain is gone. My shoulders used to hurt, then I worked on mobility. Now I'm doing full range of motion, shoulder presses and my shoulder pain is gone. Like the whole, that old mentality of, oh, it hurts your knees if you go too low. Oh, it hurts your shoulders if you go too deep. That's actually not entirely correct. The truth is your mobility is making you hurt, you fix that, then the full range of motion stuff will reduce pain, not add pain. Right, so even regardless if your argument is purely on aesthetics and like muscle development, like play that out. What does that end up with? Like what is your body gonna function like? And then what do you lose? What kind of pain do you have? And then you lose your aesthetics. Yeah, so risk versus reward. Well, you end up like me. I mean, that's why I think I was so passionate about this argument was because I agreed with that guy. 22 year old me would quickly agree with that guy because all I cared about was the way I looked and I was young and I didn't like squatting because I wasn't good at it. And so I just said, oh, cool. Good excuse for me not to ever pursue getting better at squatting because I can actually develop my quads which was the main thing I cared about that time. Oh, cool, I'll just stop doing that completely. What I didn't know was going to happen to me was because I did that, I had terrible hip and ankle mobility. And so chronic low back pain and hip pain came in my late thirties or my mid thirties. And I was like, well, I can't figure out what's going on with me. Oh, that's why, because I decided that I would just shorten my range of motion up on my squatting because I didn't need to develop. I wanted to develop my quads. That was my main focus. But now I'm stuck with this low back pain and hip pain. And it took me a year and a half, two years of reversing that by all the mobility work. And the beauty of it is, after all that work to get to that place, now all I have to do to keep that from happening is squatting deep. That's it. That's all I have to do. And now my hips and my back are fine.