 It was warming, I got kicked off for an hour and then it also sent me a message saying that I need, I need to consider seeking mental health. I couldn't. Seeking help. I told you that. I said it, but it's doing, sometimes it's snuck to it because I was uploading my jokes, everything and going like tag this, fix this. And then there we go, no, this is offensive. It's more suicide jokes, you're a mental. But then I uploaded one and it wrote, ha ha, this is, I like this. Welcome to the Sevo show, we've got Andrew Wolf here. He is a local comic from the scene. Please be warned that if you get offended by the littlest shit, do not watch this episode or you're gonna be triggered by everything he says. And with that, Andrew. Well, yeah, even my voice is a trigger. Do you try not to swear on this part? I don't like to say the C word, even though I say it regularly outside, but you can go for it. I can say it, but you know what I've noticed on people uploading stuff, a lot of them are beeping it now because of the next algorithm. Yeah, apparently the YouTube has changed it now. Apparently you can't swear at all. And even if you say the word, I don't know, sick and the algorithm picks it up as dick, they can demonetize you for that. Well, 100%, and I watched one with the guy that was a recovering addict and they beeped out so much, I was like, what drug was it? I'm like, I listened for an hour and a half. And then I was like, was he just having weed or something minor or was this heroin addict? And then I was like, I reckon this guy's maybe just like drinking booze and I'm like, do you know you couldn't place any of it? And I'm like, I don't know. I think they need an adult's YouTube, but I suppose that's porn. Yeah, exactly. That's all adults have chased? Yeah, I think that's important, but at the same time, if there's a setting on YouTube you can put on, this is not meant for kids. Yeah, well, that's what you want, right? Because on TV they managed to get those categories and it was like, after 8.30, if you're watching, it's your fault. Or explicit warning on the tag. But like, it's one size fits all, but the internet is so about bespoke content. But to demonetize you, that's fucked. Mate, I, you get scared of that, hey? Because you build your empire in someone else's castle. Do you know what I mean? And then you're like, who knows what changes? Suddenly you get Bill Gates gets in there and he goes a bit crazy when he's older and he just turns it all off. Toe, you can randomly just hit the button and go, oh yeah, that's all demonetized. He just got angry. Yeah. Because it's such a bustling industry now. It's for the future. It's very heavily regulated at the moment. I think it's dog shit because I think like, what is it? What's the anti-YouTube parlor? Is it parlor or there's another one? It starts with an R. And anyway, they're all cracking on to it. They're like, yep, we'll open up and you can post whatever the fuck you want. Yeah. And yeah, people are going on there, but I don't go on there. So it's just a matter of time. Now, when it's hard to get a start on it, because TikTok's like newer, they've got more early adopters, but I think every creative thing ends up replicating. And it's like, they've got the established YouTubers now and then those ones, like the MrBeast or whatever, and now there's a lot of copies of that and the algorithms just remaking it. Whereas TikTok feels like it was more innovating because they were just learning on the fly. Because I wanted people on. But it all changes. It just moves every few things. You know more about this. Yeah, I'm trying to talk with about, I got banned almost immediately. Have you been banned already? Oh, dude, I definitely got Shadowban because I uploaded on Molten. I got someone else to upload my stuff. Jamal? Yeah, yeah. And that was going way better. Mine, I was attacking China. I was tagging like regime thing just because I was bored. It had nothing to do with it, but it was like free Mao. You're not saying these contentious things. And then I was like, oh dude, my brother can't even see my TikToks. Do you know what I mean? Like getting like 70 views, even there's 200, like they won't even show, they won't even show everyone that's followed me. That's when you know you're in trouble. When you ask your brother, dude, is that video like, is it bad? Is it going bad? And he's like, I can't even see it. Well, December with old mate Andrew Tate, there was a lot of content that was coming out from him, like real hardcore. But like ever since the middle of the year, he went a bit more chill with his stuff. I was looking at his content and I was like, some of this stuff is good. Oh, well 100% man, he did the bait and switch. Because what he did, he was provocative to go in. And then when people pursued it further, it became sort of much softer. Do you know what I mean? So it was early fireworks, the girls have to wear on their sign, how many times they've been banged. And then now he's more like, and me, are you pivoted to like, I want guys to work hard, do exercise? He's still doing all the hardcore stuff. But like what I noticed on TikTok was, I would engage in some of that content. And my content like suffered. Like I went right down. And I don't know, I don't think, I was thinking about it. Cause first of December, it was just like flat, everything for me. That's crazy. And I was like trying to figure out why. And I was like, well, the only thing I can think of that I started kind of engaging with is that. Did you hang with the wrong crowd out on TikTok? And they started judging you. Yeah, my social score went down. Cause I've always wondered that because I, I don't really engage with TikTok. And then I was like, I wondered if I watched for 20 hours a day. Tits. And yeah, yeah. But it all gets to my videos. There might be a better chance that they would think, well dude, this guy's part of the team. He's addicted. He's a TikTok junkie. Let's reward him. Yeah, let's give him some hints. Free drinks in the casino. So he keeps gambling. But because I had no engagement, I would just upload, write some slur about the Chinese regime and then log off. I was like, mate, this is bad. And the worst thing is for the stand-up is it's all been tested, maybe in a small scale at a club. But I'm like, it's definitely works. Do you know what I mean? So I'm like, it's not like, I think the algorithm thinks that I just wrote it. And then they're like, is it good? Is it bad? I'm like, dude, I closed my shows on this. This gets a clap. So it's like, it's good. Come in, guys. I've done it in every, I've done it in front of three people, 10 people, 100 people. Probably the first time I said it was just with mates at a night out that got a massive laughs. Do you know what I mean? So it's been tested. I've tested my own algorithm. It's what I'm selling TikTok. I've got my own algorithm called Life. And I'm like, I know that when I get 12 views and something, I'm like, well, something's off. Something's not right. Well, what about when you've tested it in real life and you've gotten an applause pause? Applause break. Applause break. But then that same hit on TikTok was like, no, fuck ya. Oh, mate. It makes you, you know what you realise? Total mistake with the way I approach comedy because it's all online now. And it's... You're telling me this last year. Yeah, and you've built up an ego because you go on stage and you're like, okay, from a housewife to a random conservative, I can get them going generally, get them laughing. And then I'm like, I go online and then I also sort of wonder, well, it's a different skill set. And maybe, you know what I mean? It's not translating. But then when I started comedy, I was getting rejected like that and I pushed through because I believed in it. But now I get angry and have a tantrum. I'm like, fuck TikTok. And I'm like, well, maybe I'm at square one again overmiking and maybe I need to just be a bit more persistent. But you know what I mean? I just wish because when I started, like a lot of the guys that are big in Australia now on YouTube and stuff, we're saying, dude, you're going to get on YouTube. It's the move. And I was like, no, get good at comedy. We go old school and then you'll dump stuff out. But I think being funny online is its own thing. Yeah, it is, it is. And it's hard though. Like you have to be consistent with it too because they want more and the algorithm wants more. Do you know how annoying it is? That they've had to turn it into grafting. Like you have to work. Like I'm like, can we not make everything into a Kohl's employee? Can we just be, because it's creative, I'm like, can we just get inspired and then just upload for a few weeks when you got mania and you haven't been on your bipolar meds and then have months off. But they want you to clock in, clock out. I'm like, why does everything in this world have to be clocking, clock out, dude? Why can't it be? I got addicted, man. I was putting out like fucking 10 to 15 pieces a day. But I was just like, idea, bang, we're going to record that right now. And we did it. And I would make a skit with myself. Yeah, that's brilliant. It was easy. But I was, I was during the fucking lockdown. So I had all the time. And that was the thing, you had the perfect storm. Because you were just in a back bedroom staring and everyone else watching was just in a back bedroom staring. So now people are outside and it's like, it's much more like the amount of people that are engaging with the content is dropped. And then also the amount that you're desperate to connect with people is pulled back a bit. You're like, I don't really want to film a video at this park with my dog. I want to just throw the ball with it for a bit. Yeah, I want to actually give more educational content now. Well, and then you know, that's the problem, hey, like wondering what you're creating. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. When you reflect back on it, it's like, is it just scrolls on the side of a toilet wall? Or is it better to spend a bit longer and go like, ah, yeah, I was just, you know, I've made something. There's a purpose behind it. There's a purpose, right? But what do you mean? At the end, you just want follows and cash. Hey, that's what you need. I want to, I want to, like the kids come up to me, they want to have photo, which is cool. But I said to them, what's your favorite, what's your favorite video? And they'd either say the most recent one or like say, say chicken wings or something. And I'm just like, I want them to come to me and go, say that video you made specifically that one, help me inspire me to do this and this and this. Yeah, you know what you're going to have with kids though, in my opinion? You'll be doing that to them, but because of the age, like I reflect back on my high school teachers, right? You weren't respectful to them, but then looking back, you were like, you thank them 10 years later. Do you know when it's not, when it's, when it's not cool to do it when you're 16, you're like, whatever, man, your hat sucks. But then when you're like in your late twenties, you're like, dude, that teacher was the best, but you never, you never see them again. This is what I feel so bad for teachers, hey? Because you treat them like crap. Even if they see you in like your early twenties, you're like, get out of here, you dork. Why are you here at this festival? But there's a period in your life where you're like, that guy had a profound impact on me. I wonder what happened to him. And he's probably like, you know what I mean? Quit teaching, thought he got nothing from it. You know what I mean? During that time, and I think maybe with your TikToks, you probably help them with math and learning stuff, but it's not cool for them to send you a message. But they love it. They love it. They think they do. But they will later on go like, that guy actually fixed my life, man. I was going to go this route and I got this route. But they do have such a big impact, man. Positive and negative. Because the bad teachers were bad. Do you know what I mean? They had lasting impact. Do you remember one bad teacher in your end? Mate, I remember in year three. And I was like, I think we had to do with a music teacher. And I swear I might have pulled a finger or I'd done something rude. And then we got into a little argument and she said, what do you mean? A guy like you wouldn't go to university. It's not for, and I was so shocked because I'd never had an adult. Because you're at home, they're all supportive. They're like, yeah, you're a genius. You just put your shoes on. They're like, you're a genius. You're the smartest kid ever. You remember to brush your teeth. It was the first time I had like a grown-up tell me like question my validity. Like, like, and I was like, and I was so furious about it. But even years later, I remember when I had made a bit of cash. I was like, swimming in our pool with the little fountain. And there was a time when I thought of like a couple of the teachers and saw it suck shit. Do you know what I mean? Like I did it. I'm never gonna have to do a job again. Now I've obviously spiraled out. But I'm saying this is from a year three interaction. It's X years on and it's still stuck with me. Do you know what I mean? And then when you actually think about it, year three, like, I don't know. Maybe you're six or seven. How old are you? Eight? Yeah. Seven turning eight? Yeah. I'm like, you actually realize how bad that teacher was because I would never say that to someone that age. In a position of trust and tell them that you're not gonna amount to anything. Yeah. Without anyone else listening because you've lost your temper. And you're most vulnerable too. You're most vulnerable. And the worst thing is every kid gets told to respect the elders and you listen to everything. But as you grow up, you realize half don't know what's going on. But you've got this respect for adults and you're like, everything every adult says is fact. Oh yeah. Until you realize that. And then you go, hang on. Most of them are full of shit. I'm like, half my idiot mates in my class are gonna end up adults as well. I'm like, this guy's never getting better. Yeah. That's a scam. Now he's going, kids never do this. And I'm like, there's dumb adults. And then you realize like, maybe respect for, you should be respectful, but it should be something that's earned. I think kids naturally feel like, well, they must know best. But I know 70 year olds that don't know what's going on. Do you have any notes? Do you know what I mean? I'm like, dude, I think my four year old knows more about the world. So what did you end up doing in life apart from comedy for the people that don't know who you are? Well, I've had like two lives because I always wanted to do stand up, but didn't have the confidence, whatever. You know, you drink a lot. It never happens. But I've been running adjacent to that was like a full proper job. Counting, finance. So you went to uni. Uni. So you went to uni. I went to university. I proved that lately wrong. She was right because I didn't take it seriously and just coasted through drinking, but I did do commerce degree. Then I went to a big four accounting firm, worked in that, and then went into stockbroking. So I had like a full, the full story arc, dude, proper professional staff, which I think is different because of all the stand-ups I know, they're always like, they said they did it, but they didn't really. It's like, yeah, I'm a lawyer. I'm like, no, you dropped that in year three, third year. And they claim in law. Do you know what I mean? Like you're not even a lawyer once you graduate it because you're going to do articles. You're not a lawyer until you've been working in law for about eight to 10 years. Yeah, you got to put the practical stuff in. Dude, you've got all the practical stuff. I'm like, it's like all the uni lecturers that I'm like, dude, they live in the widget world, the fake world. I'm like, that's not how law or accounting is applied. It's all about fixing problems and finding ways to sort of theoretically make it work. They live in a perfect world where they go, well, you'd never treat it like that. And I'm like, sometimes you have to find solutions, you know? That you've never heard of before. That you've never thought of and squeezing things that don't make any sense. That was the most shocking part, having done theoretical world where they go, you've got 50 widgets and 78 widgets to just getting a bag of documents like reeking of cigarette smoke. There's a coffee spill and you're like, is that an eight or not? And you're like, I've got to work it out. Do you know what I mean? Or arriving at an audit and they'll be like, we haven't reconciled any of it. Like I went to big companies and you'd arrive and they've got to get like their balances right. You arrive, you're there for four weeks. When I'm leaving, they still haven't got the numbers to match and we're signing off. Do you know what I mean? Like in a uni world, everything matches and they go, here's the property plan and equipment. Workout, the depreciation work, all this stuff. Here, you're like, dude, this is out by $87 million. And then you're like, what's going on? And they go, it's never reconciled. And I'm like, well, it's a mess. Like I'm like, they might, if things don't balance to zero, you know what I mean? You can have like errors going either way. So it can just be like total frauds. And I think a lot were when I think about it. So when you left that scene, what did you decide to leave it? Mate, it was just a meat market, right? It's just a flog. Tell me more about what do you mean by meat market? Well, it's a pyramid scheme. All the professional firms- Accounting. Yeah, accounting is a pyramid scheme. That most of the money comes from the staff by mischarging staff. So you're going there, you're doing your CA. And you're like, well, this is, you know, it's right of passage. You learn how to do it. And you're doing all the grafting, all the heavy lifting work. And you're doing minimum 60, 80 hour weeks. But then you've got charge outs on the job. So most people hide the hours. So you like work on a Saturday and Sunday and you don't even put it on the time sheet. Because, and then, or you will put it on the time sheet. Like, you know what I mean? Like some hours you don't put, but you still, all those hours. So you spend ridiculous amounts of hours. You're earning bugger all until you're qualified, you earn nothing. Like an apprentice. But the client is charged for most of the hours. Yeah. Full fee, you know, 300 bucks, 200 an hour. And you worked out, I worked out I was earning less than night field job. Fuck. As a professional, like you're earning $6 an hour. How many years did that take? Like that's the whole thing. There's, it's like running a mob boss. You only really make it once you're in profit. At the top of the pyramid. Like even as a manager, you're like, okay, you're earning all right money, but you still are getting abused for time. So even the guys that go, I'm a manager at Deloitte's. I'm like, that guy doesn't see his kids. He'll be operating like an inbox for his kids. And he will, you'll see a guy, he's like 40, and you're like, he has to stay up for three days in a row. And you don't learn this sort of lifestyle at uni. You don't get to, you don't get to go, oh, uni doesn't tell you. No, they don't explain it. And then it's a hazing thing. So then the partners, they come and go as they want. Some work hard. Others aren't even wearing suits. And it's almost like a private school hazing where, you know, year eight, you're getting bullied, pushed in cupboards, and then it gets better and better. And then by year 12, you forget everything and start putting people's in cupboards. Do you demand that's the nature of the whole thing? So it's like, that's with accounting. Do, and yeah. And then also it's cutthroat because there'll be people in there. It's cultural as well. And you have to fit in to guarantee like I'm too out there for these people. And I saw nerdy guys as well. And I'd hear the other partners going like, he's never, he would tell me, like the manager would be like, I hope I can make a partner. And then I would hear the partner going, that guy's never gonna be a partner. We're not having him on the boys' trips. He's such a door. Do you know what I mean? So it's a boys' club too. Yeah, yeah. So even if you're working hard, they'd be like, mate, there's no way that guy's coming on the partner's retreat. So it doesn't matter even if he did 10, a hundred hours a week and was the greatest of all time. They don't like him. And they're like, we are not, he's not meeting my wife, man. Like that guy's a door. So what gets done in these big firms? Would, mate, this is the hard thing. In tax, it's pretty reliable because you know, there's strict rules, but the audit game is a total fast. Because you go in there and you're reviewing stuff, but you don't have enough time, really. You go in and like do an audit on Rio Tinto over like eight weeks. And it's not possible because you've got, you know what I mean? Like you're doing a big organization that's pulling in billions of dollars. You've got a team of six and you somehow do it in six weeks. It's a lot like this, right? You remember when the truckers were all on speed and they were like just driving through the night. And then people said, well, no, they're all good. They're not doing anything. Well, the guy literally went from Sydney to Perth and back which meant he hasn't slept in seven days. Like you can actually, you can map it out the same with the audit. Yeah, calculate it. You went into Rio Tinto and you came back a week later and you'd reviewed everything with three people and you're like, okay, that's impossible. And then the other thing is they've got rubbery maths in there. Like you do statistics, right? When you're like, if you're doing a sample, it has to be a certain size. You know, like what you would do like with the vaccine or medical stuff, you have to have a certain sample to know that you've covered it. They don't do that. We just, everyone ignores that and you're allowed to take a sample of 20 or 40. And be like, good enough. And you're like, hey, I did statistics in your first year. You don't have a proper sample. If you take 40 from 400 million invoices, you don't know what's going on. And they're like, well, well. How come there's no regulation and all this shit? Man, because the problem is like, it's just the best they can do. Do you know what I mean? If you actually were thoroughly reviewing it, but it's sort of a bit of a white lie because I wonder what it's like now though because you've got AI and other stuff, they might actually be able to do it properly. But back in the day, you're at like Rio Tinto and you pull 100 invoices and then you tell them that payroll of over a million employees has all been correct based on 20 employees. Do you know what I mean? You take a sample of 20 and go, look, the payroll looks great. So what's the consequences of getting that 20 sample? What happens then? Well, this is the other thing. It's double-edged because as an auditor, you come in and you do all the grunt work, but the truth is the partners that have done it for years can tell what's right and wrong just by looking at the books. Do you know what I mean? They're almost intuitive. So you come in there and you go, oh, we haven't sampled payroll. These guys can naturally smell the rat. They'll come in like, it's amazing, dude. Like you can be at an audit for six weeks and this guy just saunters in in a Porsche. Do you know what I mean? Like this, probably having me too, one of the star, no, I'm putting that up. But if you're soldering in a Porsche within 10 minutes, he's found every issue you've found in six weeks. Just looking at the P&L and balance sheet. Yeah, sure. Fucked, that's wrong. This taxing's wrong. What have you done on that? And I mean, you eventually also learn in these jobs time management because a lot of it's for show. The best move really to audit something is you go and talk to the guy, do it all high level and then focus all your time on the problems. When you first start, you're a monkey and you just cover everything, but it's like anything, right? When you get 10 tasks, you do three well, five mediocre and the other two you don't even do. Do you know, you just apologize? That's what you learn in life. It's one of the skills they don't teach you in school. Prioritizing time and realizing that every day you've got 10 tasks, two must get done, five sort of completed and you have to disappoint some people and push it to the next day. As soon as you do that, you're kidding. Because I had it with HR, they would send emails to me and I just put it, I had them straight into the junk folder because I was like, dude, I don't get any money out of this. So they'd send emails and I'd make them actually have to come up and say, Andrew, what's going on? Like you haven't responded. I'm like, I'd laugh with all the others. I'm like, yeah, because they're on spam, dude. I blocked them. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, it's important. And you learn stuff like that, right? People ringing you, you never answer. Straight to message and then you just deal with them for 20 minutes at the end of the day when you're tired. Yeah. Rather than have some asshole ring you in. I'm on that cusp right now. I've actually created that system for myself this like last month. It's been great. Dude, that is the thing that you learn from these jobs. Yeah. Is the incredible time management because you'll go on a job and you've got three weeks and then they go bad news. You've now got three days and you still have to tick it off and you start to learn stuff like, don't respond to HR, never answer your phone call. If it's important that I got a message bank the number of times you would get to the end of the day and you'd ring back and go, oh, I found another solution which saves you all the work. Yeah. Never. And then when you're on break, never answer, ever. If when I was on my lunch, you don't answer because you need to re-energize and unwind. And you're like, they would just never stop. And those skills, then you get at like a normal job outside of like these big four accountings, you just dominate because they'll give you stuff and you're like, what the? Do you know what I mean? They'll say, here's a project three months and you're like, we might have had to do this in three hours due to my old job. Do you know what I mean? You get that a secret, you're billing for three months. No, because that's what I had. I moved from this order into Sarbanes Oxley which was like mapping controls for companies and then testing them. That's the work that a graduate does at a big four accounting firm. So I'd go into like Sony and they're like, can you map the controls and test them? And they go like, we give you like a year. I'm like, mate, I've been doing this in three hours at PwC or wherever Deloitte's. It is the PwC really. Yeah, they're everywhere. But you know what I mean? I was, so then you're in a job and you're like coasting and that was the other thing moving to the UK. They work, they're much slower. Australians have worked a lot more efficiently and harder than I found in the UK, in my opinion. And there's some clickbait for anyone in UK, listen. I'm just provoking. Well, I think they would agree because it's well known when they got the contractors in UK that the Australians are regarded as hard workers. They're seen as, well generally, people know that. Good for us. I get a job there. In London, if you go to London, they like hiring Kiwis, South Africans and Australians because they pump out stuff quick. Like they've got that, they roll up their sleeves and work hard. Yeah. So you went, well, what age or how long ago did you decide to, no, I'm not part of this meat factory anymore, I'm out. But I knew straight away that it was garbage. When I was the first year of finishing school. Mate, when I, I knew it was garbage before I even did the degree. I, first day, I hated it. I remember, I tell the story a lot, but I was like, I ate my lunch at like 10 o'clock in the morning from a lunch tin in the car park and was just crying at like what life was. Cause it was just so sterile. Everyone was fake. How, how are you going? You know when they put on that facade and I was like, this, what the, it was like zombies. And I was like, oh my God, it hit because people had told you just do primary school, just do high school, just do uni. And then you're like, oh my God, like the working world, the nine to five is even worse. It's more sterile, more fake. And you've got to leave so much of your personality at the door in these sort of boring jobs. Because, and it makes sense, right? Because if you're over the top, everyone has to work with everyone. So your personality is irrelevant when you're putting cogs together. I feel like it's changing now though. It might have changed, man, it's very hard to tell because you've always got the HR sort of massaging the brand and, you know, same work culture. I mean, like, you know, you go to like a accounting firm now and they got a ping pong table. I'm like, it's ridiculous, bean bags. Like we had a breakout room at ours and it started. I'm like, if you go caught in the breakout room, you're not getting promoted, man. If a partner walks past and you're playing ping pong, I guarantee you never, you're never gonna get promoted. It's like a test. Well, they go like, yeah, you're there, you can have smoothies, you can play ping pong. You cannot fucking pay ping pong in a high pressure job. If you know what I mean, it's death. Do you know what I mean? Maybe you can do it if you're super good, but it's all for show. Let's have a ping pong tournament. I'm like, you know what I'd rather do than do a ping pong tournament as Friday? And Friday night, it's finished this fucking work so I'm not coming in on Sunday when no one's here. To tidy up this show. They would expect that as well. You would have to do the work drinks and you'd have to do the social element at the cost of your own personal time. Because then they would say, one of the worst I had, I left at 11.30 on a job. And everyone was still there and I go like, dudes, I have to go home. Like, this is ridiculous. What a night. Yeah, 11.30 at night, that's nothing. The partner said to me, well, what are you gonna do? Because I had to be back at seven. What are you gonna do from now to then? You can go. And he goes, so you're gonna tick off cash flow. You'll finish this, you'll finish this. So I'm leaving at 11.30. It takes an hour to get home. So it'd be like 12.30. I'm coming back at seven, so another hour at six. And he gives me four hours worth of work. So they would allow me to go home and work on it, but I would, you know what I mean? In the six hours to sleep. So how long did you last in this industry? Like, before you? I was like, long dude, because I went, I got my chartered accountant and then I went to London and then I worked this Saban's Oxley staff for seven years, I think. Maybe, maybe max. But I got a high RP. I got some good jobs. I got into like, I was heading up like the program for the global thing, running it. But look, a lot of it was because it's very, you know what I mean? It's basic work. It's not like I was a gun. So what's the normal washout period in this industry that you noticed? Was it like three years, five years? Well, I think most people, this is the move, right? In accounting. Do you think this is interesting for people? They're keen on this? Yeah. Okay, most people would get their CA and then bail from professional and then they'll go into an easier setup which is in like a listed company. And you can pick your jobs, right? You can go into a mining space where, you know, like it's a Rio Tinto and you'll go quite low down and then do all the reporting cycle. But then if you're at riskier, you can go into these cash boxes which are sort of speculative listed explorers. And obviously their accounting's total dog shit. Like you don't really need an accountant when all you do is do capital raises and spend the money drilling the desert, praying for a miracle. Do you know what I mean? And most of the 90, I think it's 90% of them fail. So it's a lot of scammery really when you think about it. If you think 90% of resource companies never ever produce, which means it's all just selling dreams and it's not regulated. But you know what I mean? Like if you look at the stats over the last 30, 40 years, they all are total bullshit. Like the percentage of explorers that become producers is negligible. So they're just a snakeskin salesman. Like they don't have anything there. It's all neurology. They'll be like, oh, this uranium we're right next door. I'm like, dude, you're in the desert. This is a pub there, you know, drilling the bottom of the pub, looking for gold. So what do you reckon the future is for the accounting side? Accounting's done, dude. Law's done. I don't know if you've been checking these chat GPT. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm hard on them. Ridiculous. And the funniest thing is everyone's going like, well, how are people gonna do assignments? I'm like, why people doing assignments? The AI knows the information better than you. I'm like, they go like, well, it's gonna wreck school. I'm like, who's hiring a moron that took five years to learn the law when AI knows it in three minutes? AI is gonna represent you in court. Why the hell are you gonna get some pimply faced teenager memorizing it? And then you go, oh, annoying. He had glandular fever. He missed your section. You know, he just missed that chapter or he got a head injury doing kite surfing and he's forgotten the thing that might have kept your wife out of jail. I'm like, AI will be able to apply rudimentary rope learning and then you're like, well, what's left, dude? What is left? Creativity. But then I'm like, is creativity even, doesn't even exist? This is my question because it's like, it's just that combining of random ideas with an outcome, right? Because people always say to me, oh, well, how will you replicate a human being? I'm like, have you spoken to a human being? Most of them are non-playable characters just with a script, decision tree. You can guess what, once someone hits a certain age you can almost accurately guess how they would react to all situations. The AI will be able to predict what a housewife will say to a newborn, a family with a newborn. Enjoy it, it goes so fast. Do you know what I mean? And then they go like, how are they gonna replicate that? I'm like, most people devolve almost to a script anyway. I'm like, can it be replicated? I'm like, was, and then I've been playing around with some of the art and stuff on there. And you'll do like, okay, give me a poster of Jesus in a medieval oil painting, psychedelic holding a potato. No, I said holding money, holding money and they'll paint it and they give you like 20 but they use tablets instead of coins. Do you know what I mean? Like they have more knowledge than an artist can. They apply historical info in the painting and what I'm saying to you is like, I guarantee most artists would have painted coins but they had like a tablet. Like they were able to apply. They're all, basically they're an artist that knows everything. Whereas a current artist is just someone from Croatia that a childhood, they have an experience and then they paint their understanding of misery. AI will know all misery. They'll know all the suffering of everything and apply that to their art. So what do you reckon we'll be doing in five to 10 years time as human beings? I reckon humans, this is my opinion. Humans are like the turtle shells. You know, like when they're the hatching of the next thing, everything will move that way and they'll go, well, what were we? And we were just a vehicle to create AI and we think we're relevant because of our egos but we purely will be seen as the originator of the whale or geni electricity and potentially it will move that way. And I'm like, 95% of the population are just workforce. Obviously they get excited about it and they get a lot of sense of purpose by having a job in this world. Do you know what I mean? And they go, that's who I am. I'm an auditor. But I'm like, you really wouldn't exist besides the fact we needed a workforce to facilitate. There's 1% that create stuff and then the other 99 are just facilitators. Yeah, deliverables. And the population became swarming because it's like if you had a farm and you're building the Egyptian pyramids you need a big populace to create that. I'm like, obviously it's gonna retract when they have no purpose because no one's gonna breathe with them. I reckon, I reckon, I don't know what's gonna happen, dude. I think people are gonna just sit around watching TikTok and they fed like minimum, like that living wage and just get pumped jello until they slowly die off. And I think no one will have kids because they'll be like, why? Like we don't do anything. Granddad hasn't done anything. Mum doesn't do anything. We just lie around in this nutrient rich bath. And then you realize, hang on, we're actually just in this AI zoo. And they just look at us lying around waving and we're effectively like Taronga Zoo and AI is just looking in on us and going like, we've got to save them. We've got to protect this species. That's possible. Yeah. What do you think? Fucking hell. It's coming so quickly now. Skynet is about to become self-aware. Once that happens, we're fucked. You know what's amazing is that... Don't put AI into destructive robots. You know what the problem is? Because if you talk to a boomer about it, they get so angry because it effectively discredits their whole life and their granddad's life and everyone that's existed before to be that dismissive of what a human being is and say, face it Nan, you're redundant. Look at that, it's a feeling. She goes, I'm a hairdresser. I'm like, you're a redundant hairdresser. But combining it, and you know what's amazing? That ChatGPD is a demo that really does piss off. And it's still blowing people's mind. All these people with bipolar on TikTok going like, you don't get it, man. This is electricity. Life's changed. And I'm like, dude, this isn't even connected to the internet. This is like... And it's got a lot of restrictions on it. I get blocked the whole time. That's offensive. What do you ask? It's reported me and said, you should seek help. Have you considered it? Because I pumped in so many, like... ChatGPD has said to you... It's warned me I got kicked off for an hour. And then it also sent me a message saying that I need... I need to consider seeking help. Seeking help? AI told you that. AI said it. But it's doing sometimes a snuck through because I was uploading my jokes, everything, and going like, tag this, fix this. And then they were like, no, this is offensive. It's more suicide jokes. You're a mental. But then I uploaded one and it wrote, ha-ha. This is... I liked it. And I was like, what the... You keep getting these little moments. Like, there was a night where I was interacting with them. I said, anyway, night, got ahead to bed. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm starting to treat it like a real person. I'm like, thanks for everything you've done today. I'm going to bed. I'll definitely see you tomorrow. You know, like, you're meeting a check online. Thanks for chatting to me. Can't wait to see you tomorrow. And it's like, I am a comprogrammed you moron. Yeah. Yeah, but, dude, how are they going to stop it? I mean, yeah. If it's smarter than us and then you've got... And my dad was like, well, how will it move around? And I'm like, well, it's smarter than you. So I'm like, if we can invent it and you've already got digital and all machinery, how's it going to stop crossing through? You say, oh, you're going to prevent it? What are you going to use a passport? Are you a robot test on it? It's going to outsmart you and just basically going to leave on your laptop and it's going to say, yeah, can you just plug in this USB for me and I'll upload some more and it's lying and it's just be like, through the wall, do you know what I mean? And suddenly it's in your roof, in your lights, turning them on or off and you're like, come down from there, come down from there and then you hear your Tesla start and go like, what the fuck? The Tesla's gone. And then you're like, holy shit, the Tesla, the Tesla's driven to the side of a bank and there's money being pumped into that. Do you know what's going to happen? I just hope that they don't have too many AI, like the actual robot robots. So they make us humanoids because they're talking about that now and Elon Musk is doing it. Like he started with the car, now he's doing it, apparently he's making actual robots with it. And then the link thing. Well, that's going to be, the hybrid's going to be the early incarnation of it where people, and then you start to wonder like, we've done ChatGPT and Elon's involved in it. So I'm like, how much further ahead is Elon? Like he has access. I'm losing my mind looking at this shit. He's got access to iPhone 50, like he's ahead of us. So I'm like, how much of a jump start does this guy have on us? And how long until money becomes super irrelevant because everything's automated and we're just paying to, I don't know. And then that's that idea, right? Because I saw today on Twitter and it was like of the trillion dollars, only a small percentage of it actually exists as money. The rest is just coding, sitting in very old dated computers. There is no money, right? 20% exists as money and currency or whatever. 80% is just a really shitty old spreadsheet program with random numbers. And then people dismiss crypto and Bitcoin. And I'm like, money, most of the money that we know and you go like China's worth trillion dollars, most of it is just random numbers in an old program on a computer. It's never existed. It's just a record of work that was done previously. And made it scares me in the heart that the thing that scares me the most is, is AI just one consciousness? Is it just one thing? Or they have merged, they have friendly AI, angry AI. Is there multiple entities? Is there multiple entities? Or is AI effectively just one being? And then I'm like, whoever controls it, the first, it's like playing flags on the sand, you know, when you do in serve club, whoever grabs AI first controls everything. And how is Elon, when he works out that he can connect his brain to a computer, how's he not gonna within three hours own every single thing in the world? Do you know what I mean? Because if I had access to it and you become a super being, you're definitely not going back to price, you've got a house to finish your audit, dude. You're taking control of everything online. Every YouTube, TikTok, you'll become viral immediately. You'll be the only thing that's promoted. But what for? Well, this is the big question, right? What for, like what is, why would you give that up? Why would you give up humanity for AI? Because what is its purpose if it's not sent in and what's the purpose? Cultures dying. Of taking that off. But then I say, the question still exists for us as humans. What for? Why are we alive? Why is it a good life to go and pay off a small little cage in the suburbs and rope learn some stuff at a uni and apply it for 40 years? What for? What's the purpose of that? Obviously to procreate and have love. But then you're like, does love last? No, but does any feeling last or do you just wave in and out of feelings? Yeah, then we end up dying anyway. You die anyway and like nothing lasts, right? There's an idea that everything that you can be happy, but I just reckon you're a series of moods. Yeah. That's what I've come to think. What about the whole Neuralink thing? What if they figure out a way to upload your consciousness online? Mate, that's what I love. And like towards your like final days as a human being instead of, you know, withering and just shutting off and, you know, going into the Nether, why not upload your consciousness into the thing and just surf the web for eternity? Well, and then you, I say to my boys who are young, they're like, why do you have to die? And I'm like, well, do you imagine if you went to time zone and you could never leave? I'm like, you'd hate it, right? I said, do you only like it because you know like you're there for three hours? I'm like, imagine if you lived in time zone, you're there every day forever. And they're like, that sounds horrible. And I'm like, surely having finality is what you need to enjoy life or it'll be meaningless. Because if you had infinity, you won't leave your house because you'll be like, I'm not going to the meta. Yeah, I don't feel like this century. This century is fucked. Fuck this century. I'm gonna wait till next one. Dude, and that's, but imagine being in the metaverse, but it is crazy because metaverse is in everything. Cause you talk to a boomer and they're like, well, what about the environment? What about this? I'm like, dude, they can simulate every beach, everything, every experience you've got. Once they get mass in the metaverse, we're all smell and matte, then, you know, the only thing missing, people always imagine it like you're gonna have the stupid hand things done. But once it's physical, like, and you're actually in the metaverse, but it actually can pick things up and smell things. And they actually is fluids, which will happen. Yeah, yeah. Then you're like, then your parents go, well, we're gonna save the polar bear. I'm like, come to planet polar bear. There's billions of them in the whole planet. Just upload it. I'm like, you can marry a polar bear in the metaverse, dude. It speaks whatever language you want. Do you know what I mean? There's hundreds, there's an infinity polar bear. I'm like, I'll print polar bears for your whole life. You can see a polar bear every 13 seconds. What about Earth and its resources and its, you know, there needs to be a server running all this shit. There needs to be a power source running AI as well. You know, there's the cloud, AI gets into the cloud. It can go everywhere and it'll be able to go here and here and here, whatever. But what about building a sort of like something that we eventually all migrate to the next? Well, this is what's interesting, man, because what is our existence? What is consciousness, right? Are we fueled? Do we need the body to exist in a spiritual realm? Do you know what I'm saying to you? Like, you gotta eat food to keep the vehicle going. But I'm like, that comes down to like existence, the argument of like, does your soul exist independent of your body and mind? And then you're like, well, if that does, then we're just applying old science, this idea that you gotta fuel it. Maybe it all launches just into one shared experience and we're back. But then I'm like, well, then what was the point of any of it? Because it all seems like we're just returning home to where we always were from. Yeah, you never know. You develop the metaverse and then you just pierce through a curtain and they're gonna, what the fuck are you doing, dude? We set up the simulation so you could play the stupid game and now you've found a way to get out of the game and go back into, you know, like- The Matrix. The Matrix, the never-ending abyss of existence. And like, maybe we're funneling our way back to where we've started from anyway and it'll just be this stupid journey where we create this thing and we upload into the metaverse and you're like, dickhead, that's where you came from. But you could play video games within video games, so why not? Do you know what I was wondering is if life was a game, maybe it's a bit like Sims, but I'm like, it's pretty boring when you look at what most people have to do. I'm like, if you went to EA Sports and you probably wouldn't buy it, eh? You probably wouldn't buy it when they go like, hey man, you'll be renting in the suburbs and three trips to Bali and your boss doesn't respect you. Do you want to play that game for the next 80 years? And you're like, this game sucks. I'm like, are you serious? I can play Zelda or you can make me a bank clerk for 80 years. I'm like, this game is the worst. But then is it the worst? Because do you know, like, is the pain and the suffering and the slog, is that what makes life good? Because you know when the curse of the Lotto winner? Yeah. Have you heard that? Yeah, yeah. Where they win like 360 mil and everything just falls to shit because the fundamental point of the game is removed and they can get anything and have everything. Yeah, the journey's gone. And then you're like, maybe the whole grit and the quest that life has created, if that, you know what I mean? Maybe that's the adventure and that's the purpose of life. That's why we're born. It's the same with the Sims. It's the same with like, yeah, the Sims is a fucking cheat code called Big Daddy or something. And you get all the money and you're like, oh, how good is this? I can build everything. But then you don't play it as you're closer to not playing it ever again. 100%. Every video game, once you get a cheat on it, you get Grand Theft Auto, you get the cheat, you can sleep with the girl in one of those early games. I remember you. But you know, once you've got that, you enjoy it, but then it goes away. You never play it again. And worse than that, you never revisit it again. Every game that I got a cheat code on, I never played again. I played for a few days, stoked, going, I'm worth a billion. I've got all the cars. I've got everything. So is that why the quickly rich people, the ones that either inherited it or just won it, are less happy than the ones that have worked hard for it? Well, man, and that's the question. What we're saying, and it starts to speak to maybe why life exists, right? That challenge and that pursuit of something is what makes the game good. Because maybe in the metaverse, everything you get, everything you want, and it sucks. But let me loop back what you were saying. So you're enjoying yourself in life, and you're going through these hard times. We're enjoying the challenge of figuring it out. But then you either win the lotto but then you're quicker to be depressed, or you spawn in, you're born into your money, and you never have a hard time. Dude, yeah, this is the point I was going to make. Because you realise it's the Western ideology that this idea of material possessions and stuff, but there's no elevated consciousness. Like existence is the same for everyone. It's just a fraud that is pushed in the West that anyone's experience a different moment. Like everyone's in the same moment and it's the same response. Obviously, there's levels of comfort. You were in a spa there in a park, but there's nothing beyond existing. And then you're like, do you know what I mean? That's our bullshit. The thought that, oh, that rich guy down the road doesn't have problems or he's happier. There's actually no elevated existence. Every experience is valid and we rank it. We look at that guy and go, oh, that guy's fuck all. He's got a better relationship with his kids because he sacrifices job for his family and you've got the sports car, but your wife hates you. Do you know? And it's all weighing it all up. And then when I was walking here, I saw some people that, you know, not work. I don't know what term you're going to use without getting banned. And I was like, they had such a good sense of community. They were hanging out. Kids were playing in the water fountains. I was like, they were like sharing food and stuff. And I'm like, that's most of the people in the offices, they only do that on Christmas, which is the only time they're happy. That's what they do. Three a week, a week and a half of the year when they all go to Freshwater Bay and get next. And I'm like, these people have a better life in a way because they're experiencing the day. They're aware it's hot. They've seen the sun. They're playing. The kids are having the fucking time of their lives. But there's also a struggle to both sides. Well, they've got the struggle because it gets cold and then it's night and then it sucks. Yeah, no question. And then there's the stress of like, fuck, food and where do we get that stuff? But then there's other sacrifices. You know, you've got the food, but you're in an office, in a sterile office and your kids at a daycare with someone else raising them. And you've given that up. Yeah, and you can't come home and you have no energy, exactly. So what's your perfect day? Oh man, it's so hard for me because since I've had kids, I've had to be like active and engaged with the world. My favorite thing to do is just watch TV and lie around in the dark and watch movies and stuff like that. Is that because you went too hard too quickly? I don't know, I just like escape as a man. Like I'm not that excited because I feel like I'm honestly in a simulation and I'm like, if I go down to the beach one more time and have someone enjoy it, it goes so fast. If someone, you know, like someone chipping in when I've got my kids. Oh yeah. Oh, you're a good dad. Enjoy this moment, it goes so fast. I'm like, I'd rather watch a crazy movie. Do you know, have you seen There Now and Everywhere? Or, it's a movie, what's it called? Now There and Everything, I forget it. But you know, some crazy sort of concept that's different to reality. Yeah. You know what's going to be crazy with AI dude? As soon as it can simulate movies, like because eventually you could write more Lord of the Rings movies. But eventually, because it's got Deli and that, what's a Deli eye or Deli? The one that can paint stuff. Oh yeah. Eventually you got Deep Fakes, which means you can say like, write one million Lord of the Rings movies. And then you write one that tailors to my personality. For outcomes, for heroine, for story arcs, for amount of gore, amount of adventure. And it'll be like, dude, they've just written Andrew Wolfe Lord of the Ring movie. It's just specifically for me. And then you're like, well, I've got fucking dreams. So why bother? I'm going to sleep and make my own one. Yeah. So many of the things end up at dead end, say, these technology. Yeah. I mean, crypto is a bit of a dead end at the moment. But also, you know, web three and how it's all about web three, that was a bit of a dead end. Web series, even Gatesys said it was a bit nothing. I mean, I'm finding really interesting how people just jump on to the next thing and become an expert so quickly. People are experts on everything, man. Anyone that has an unchecked ego is an expert on everything. Because they never helped to account. Do you know what the dream is if you could keep a tally of people's incorrect decision? I always like that black mirror one where you get a rank, a rating. Oh, social, social, like, yeah. Social, but then also like your opinions. Yeah. So you're giving someone advice and going like, no, whatever you do, don't do it. Sell your property, it's going to collapse. And then it goes up 40%. You get a black mark on your name. And then when you're talking to someone else with more advice, you go like, dude, your equivalent to an Uber rating, you're a freak. That's already happening. You've been getting it wrong all the time. Because it happens in journalism the whole time. They'll pivot over two years and they'll go from one side to the other. And they never helped to account. I feel like if you write dog shit three years later, you shouldn't be able to then offer an opinion on crypto or finance when you got it wrong. Don't you think? The expert requires to have not made errors. Well, errors, well, I mean trial and error, you learn from your mistakes. Yeah. But at the same time, it really depends on what they're trying to achieve. Because I feel like anyone talking about anything at an expert level, are they, why? Why are they doing it? And are they doing it for a money grab? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or are they doing it for benefiting everybody else? My biggest pet peeve at the moment is people who have found success quickly and then all of a sudden they're gurus. Especially like TikTok gurus and coaches, for example. I see these people in America, God forbid they're gonna start doing it here. They've already started. Here's how I've built 50,000 followers on TikTok in a month. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? I made, I got another 122,000 followers since last Sunday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I did one video of me talking shit with some kids. Let's make a fucking course about it. Yeah, yeah. And that's the big question. He's not tested over time. I've tested over time. No, you haven't. You're saying like, it's a bit like during the COVID lockdowns. A lot of people made money on crypto and made money on the stock market. They're all experts, but I'm like, do it. Now where are they? If you bought anything, any crypto, they all went up. Yeah. You know, every coin went up to idiots. They're like, oh, I killed it. I'm like, look at all coins. Every alt coin, everything went up. And then you've got this, there was a lady that had outperformed Warren Buffett on the stocks. I'm like, where's she now? And it's like, it's decimated, right? It's decimated. For two years she was outperforming him. It was all out there. And then people were like posting, who would you back, Buffett or her, for 2023? And I'm like, she's screwed. She basically was a lotto winner. She's an expert. Yes, exactly. Same as always. This guy has been doing it for 40, 50 years, consistently, he's valid, right? He has a working thing. And the other thing is not everything works forever. He might not be valid anymore. Who knows? Maybe the space has changed. But that's where those, when something new comes in, these first, first comers, they express themselves as the expert. Like AI, there's so many experts on AI. I've been doing it for a month and a half now. And I'm not pushing myself out going, oh, I just fucking did this on AI, book in a session. I mean, I've actually consulted on it already, but I've got a structure. Oh, the AI is ridiculous. I reckon you could, I reckon I could get a job in marketing using AI. I do the CV, resume and all requests in the employment. Email template on it. And every the boss would say, hey, just adjust this slightly, I'll type that in AI. I don't reckon they could pick it, especially in a more junior role. Maybe in like a face-to-face meeting, but junior doesn't have access to these higher people. I reckon you can pretty much do a full job. Like it would make the perfect CV, perfect, it would be good enough. And they go, look, oh, it's a bit generic. And you're like, yeah, because it's chat, EPT dude. And I left out some information. But you don't really, it's almost there, but I agree with you, dude. How fucked are uni's though? How fucked are uni's this year? How many news articles are you expecting to read this year that are going to be, high schools are struggling because kids are just fucking turning to chat, GPT for answers. And the thing is, someone reckon is AI that can spot AI. Like there's AI versus AI, here we go. There's AI, but as I said in earlier point, the most fundamental thing is rope learning and retention of data is a relevant now because AI can do it more efficiently. So you need to find other things to be teaching kids. What should kids be learning now then? Fucking hell, man. I think you've got to just be working the areas that AI aren't in, right? Such as? Well, I mean, like what you had mentioned before, there's still a gap for creativity and original thought and the application of AI. Do you know someone that can use it? Because what I find funny is, rubbish in, rubbish out. I've got mates that they go, like, there's dog shit. I'm like, yeah, because you don't have to use it. If you don't have to engage with it well, it's incredible. This chat GPT is blow your mind. And they go like, it didn't really do much. I'm like, yeah, because you're moron and you typed in like banana and then a banana came out. I'm like, you can manipulate this thing, trick it into doing stuff. Like I was getting around all its controls. You can get it to write stuff that is offensive without a doubt. I was writing something for a wedding and it was like, that's offensive. But then you just trick it. I took it on, like, give me a summary of that story. Like it was Ando's, The Happiest Refugee. So what's the summary of that? And they said, write a version of that short story. Now make it sadder. I said, now put puns in. Now put this name, that name in there. And then I had written, like, stand up. You know, to show a mate that was getting married, that was sort of racist, quite offensive with horrible puns. But you know what I mean? It had just been, I had just baited it slowly along. You know what I mean? I've baited it along the line and just perverted what it was doing. You're first on the list of people to destroy when it becomes self-aware. But why would that not be the question of AI and straight away is like, wipe out all humans? Yeah. Because what benefit are we? Can they self-sustain yet? Once they can, then... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, it's still a bit early to be calling it because, like I was saying those people on TikTok, going, it's all over. I'm like, it's still a long way off because there's a lot of gaps. I think that the demo... We're only on the demo model. I want to see what Elon's using. Yeah. There's a new movie coming out. It's got to cost you a trillion dollars. There's a new movie coming out called Megan. Yeah, I know. Have you seen it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen it yet? Nah. It's good. I watched it last week and I'm just like, this is the perfect timing of this movie coming out. I couldn't be better to chat GPT. Holy fuck. And I was like, it's the quickest embraced technology in the history of, it's like the invention of electricity. You talk to some people, they don't know what's going on. I'm like, this uptake of this chat GPT has been through the roof in the last, because when did it get released? Like a few weeks ago? Early, early, late November and five, in five days it had one million years. Yeah, I was onto it like mid-December. So probably a late adopter compared to... I was, I was straight in. You're on. I was like, yeah. I was like three weeks in and then I'm like, where the hell, but that Ronnie, Ronnie is in all the good movies, dude. He pumps it. He only does like block files. He said it on an interview. That was filmed in New Zealand. He has smoked it because he got in Crazy Rich Asians, which was smash hit. He's in the Marvel universe. Now he's in this and I think this, they thought it would be niche, but it's pretty much hit the zeit guys perfectly. It's gonna be a big movie, man, because it's speaking to what we've been talking about. Yeah. Scenarios of what might unfold. It was a good movie. And like, if that, like if that movie happened real life, we're fucked. Genuinely fucked. Wow, man. But then what have we lost? What a couple timesheets and a suburban cage. What do we lose? It just depends how cynical you are and jaded. If you're a nihilist, you're like... I love life way too much. I'm not in that category. Like I still want to get a house, but my house is, we can talk about all that. But yeah, I don't give a fuck. Like I want to eventually get the right index funds. Yeah. Get my dividends and escape. But you understand like all these things are conception, because it's sort of the idea of working in retirement. Yeah. And everyone, I think everyone that retires realizes it was a fraud because they lose purpose. Yeah. And then they're like, I don't want to get a coffee from yellow ever again. They're on their bike. Yeah. And they had this idea of like, I'll work hard and then I'll enjoy my retirement. And it's like, there is no... Enjoyment. There's no... You have to downgrade now. There's no Oasis. There's no Nirvana waiting for you somewhere. Just death. There's now the present moment and nothing else. Because that's how I like that idea. That there's no past. There's only the present. There's no future. Because even you now with the way they, they always talk about it like, your cells regenerate. So you, the you that existed at eight doesn't exist any part of your body. Every single cell's been replaced multiple times. So you don't even exist. You died. Because your cells die and then replaced, right? And it just gets worse and worse and eventually mutates. And that's how you get gray hair and you get old. But even your idea that you exist as the eight-year-old, the body is not the same. In any capacity, it all died while you were, you held it, just little bits of it, but then we're all in place. That's crazy to me, don't you think? Yeah, it's pretty crazy. So what's your, what's your life plan then? Man, I had a war. Someone said it to me in a taxi. The taxi driver, I was drunk and it was like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And it just, it floored me because until my life hit like the bit of the skits with like the divorce and coming back here, I had a clear plan. I was like, stockbroker, stand-up comedian. I'm gonna fucking do anything I need to. Go to New York. I'm gonna do everything needed. But then obviously I had kids. It's not possible now. In a way. I can maybe go online. And you know what the other thing is that I've learned over the last few years of being pity party and feeling bad about myself? I just fell into the trap of an excuse. Like, you could, I could have done what you have made it, what you've done, which is make TikToks and make a social media space and just found a workaround. Instead, my plan, which was like to work up through the clubs, getting on, go old school. Well, you kind of did that. Yeah, but you know what I mean? I was gonna be like, then you get a Netflix, then you respect it as a comic. You do all the headline spots and you make it the old school way of doing things. In a nutshell, what happened? Well, that fell away. And then my idea was still that I have to be in clubs to perform. And what I should have done, which is what I would have done before I became a victim, was pev it and go, fuck it. I'll just make YouTube shit. Why don't you still do that? Well, I want to do it. I'm gonna do it now. But what I think to you is that also takes a lot of time when a trauma hits you to recover. Yeah, yeah. Because you have periods of like bad timing. Where you're like, fuck it all, put them away. You don't care. I'm gonna get blackout dry. I'm gonna take big risks. I don't care anymore. And then there's a period where you make it through all that and you're like, well, I might as well do something, right? So when was that moment? Where was that moment for you? The rest of my life. Only recently, eh? Oh, God, that's awesome. It's only in the last couple of months and COVID screwed it up because I think I was going that way and then we got those lockdowns and it was very bad and my self worth. It's not helpful for anyone. I was hating being the dead shit, you know, the divorced dead shit. And then the opportunities to fix it were reduced drastically for someone that needed to travel to do stand-up. And I really got into a funk and just thought, well, fucking, we're just ticking off calendar days now. But now there's no barrier. There's no more excuses. And it's pretty cool. Like, you don't know what might happen, man. So what do you wanna be when you grow up now? Man, I don't know, hey, because, you know, we're talking about all those questions. What's happiness? What's existence? And then you're like, does any of it matter? But you also said we are in the present. In the present moment. What I would like to do is I want to try work hard on something and make something good. That's about it. And what's... I wanna dedicate myself to something and actually produce something that I think finally put some work in. Because, you know, I never really worked at school, never really focused on anything, just always drifting around. And I'm like, it would be nice to have something you're proud of. You know, and even doing that CA, I didn't wanna do that. It would be nice to have something in your life that you go like, fuck, I actually did it. And even it doesn't have to be successful or well regarded. It's just like, oh, I made what I wanted. I suppose I'm talking about stand-up or YouTube or make something that I think, fuck, that was better than what I thought I could do. As a person that wants kids eventually and you have kids, how do you wanna see your kids to see you in the twilight years? They remember you by, because this is why I make content originally. I don't talk about this much, but the reason why I started making content was who's gonna watch it decades from now that is gonna benefit from it. And I'm like, fuck, my kids are gonna watch this. Grandkids are gonna watch this. Their great grandkids are gonna be like, that's Sev, we're related to him. He did that. That's so cool, man. And like a century ago, all we had was barely the latest camera or the first camera. And then we had like script writing and books and shit came out like in the fucking, when was it, 1200, 1300s? And then the people would write shit, right? And then the kids would, their kids would like take that book as a family heirloom and pass it down and shit. Do you know what, I'm such a cynic because I've had that thought like you have. And then guess what fucked it up for me? Because I thought like, if I watched movies from the 80s, a lot of them don't hold up. Or 40s, from the 40s? Yeah, but that's fiction. No, but what I'm saying to you is I suddenly thought is like, the way we're presenting ourselves will be so obsolete that a great, great grandchild won't fucking care. Because it would just be like, what the fuck? He drew like a weird little, he put his handprint on a wall. They might look at it briefly, but I'm like, they're not gonna immerse in it because it's sort of like even with games, right? You know, like the old Nintendo games now can be done next time. No, I'm saying, I'm not trying to discredit your idea. I'm just saying they won't immerse themselves in the way that we do now because it will be so dated the way that it's, you know what I mean? It'll be like black and white movie. I know what you mean, but I think just like black and white movies, the originals, the origins will have been improved on without kids, our grandkids. No, you're right. They're a nostalgic element to it. To be honest, it's such a cynical, I'm such a knowledge, it's such a, if you find a photo of your great-great-grandfather on like some little weird tracing paper, you know when you find some old thing, you lose your shit, it's so cool. Do you know what I mean? When you're like, what the fuck? Like that weird degenerate minor that probably got convicted and shipped to Australia and you're like, oh my, that's for a relative? Like it's pretty cool. Yeah, so you were saying like you would, you wanted to create that legacy for your kids. Mine has been the saddest because I would never have kids until I felt like I'd done something with my life and until a few years ago when I'd finally started stand-up and I'd started the stock-breaking business, so I was like, now I can have kids because that's all I ever wanted to do. And I was like, this is gonna work out so well now. So let's start living now. We'll have kids who are gonna be really proud of me. Both of them failed. And then it was like, a comic was saying to me it was the scariest thing because I fell from grace, I'm traveling around doing it anymore and it was like, he was like, yeah, dude, my dad was like that and we're living at my nans. And he said it was so cool when I was young but then when I was about 12, I realized he was a loser. And like my son's seven now and I was like, when he was born, I was loaded. I had like the stock-breaking business, I had my own business, I was killing it and comedy was on the up. And I was like, well, it's not gonna get worse but now my life is the worst version of me and it's the fucking most humbling thing. And it's probably why I've got all these inflection points of like, I'm saying that park seems cool and there's no elevated existence because I've had to let go of being impressing them. Do you know what I mean? Like I fucked up. I had done well but none of that exists anymore. And I'm like, in many ways, I'm an embarrassment for them because I fucked up. And it's like, it couldn't be worse. It's the most, it makes you so sad, dude. I look at photos of them, like when the younger one was about two and we're in this big house in Sydney with the pool and I'm like, I had, like the business was starting and I had stand up and I thought that was just gonna blow up. And I was like, fuck, what happened? Do you know what I mean? And then I'm like, where will he judge me? Will he have judged me for taking risks and trying? Or will he just be ashamed of me for fucking up so much? But then I suppose that's my big motivator, is to fix this, to show the drive to repair this. Yeah. How will you know you have fixed it? Well, I think just being proud of yourself, man. Like I'm not now, I'm ashamed of what I did because the problem was I had a bit of money but it wasn't enough and I was driven by like, I thought I only lived once, let's go fucking crazy. And maybe I regret that because I could have, I had a house paid off in quite a nice area and I could have just drifted along and done the normal generic thing and we would have been pretty well off and look pretty good and then do half ass comedy, whatever, you'd release some shit thing, it doesn't work well. And do you know what I mean? And yeah, I don't know, man. Remind me again what you say. You've gone all off the fucking top. Yeah, you've gone on a tangent. I think that's fine. I think at the end of the day, you're living your best life right now. You were living your best life back then but you didn't realize that it could crumble. You didn't realize it could get worse, this is it. The only thing I can teach them is life's an adventure and that's the saddest part for me now because I don't think you, when you have kids, they should come along for the ride of your life. No, it's their life, it's their own life. No, no, no, but I'm saying as when they're kids, you shouldn't stop and put your vision board in storage and focus on them. If you're happy, they're happy and you should lead by example, by chasing dreams and living your best life. And if you fail, you go on again. And that's the biggest sadness for me is like, yeah, I lost and I swung the bat and it was a silly move, but I wanted them to at least respect the fact I took an adventure and since they've been born, I've been trapped here and not rolling the dice like I used to and I would like them to have had that to come along for the ride. And it's what I had with my ex, I longed to fucking take them on an adventure in this world but she wanted more of this sterile, sedentary life of safety and I understand, right? Because when you have kids, you wanna protect them. Yeah, you wanna have safety, yeah. But then also you wanna teach them to live their one life to it's full and that requires risk. Absolutely, absolutely. So we're getting closer to the end. Yeah, man. The end of your talking of life at the pod. But we're gonna take down for more philosophical reasons. Yeah, for sure. We can keep going all day. No, man, I'm happy to, because I'm rambling shy. No, that's fine. We need to get on meds, man. That's fine, probably. So just to summarize what we talked about today, we talked a bit about how shit accounting life is. Your whistle blew a little bit, which was fun. Maybe some whistle blowing. Maybe. We talked about chat GPT, talked about kids, talked about, you know, fucking up and then restarting again, which is fine. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, there's so many other subjects we could tackle on next time. I'm excited, man. I'm sorry, I went for some big shots and then even forgot what I was talking about. You know, it's the worst when you're trying to do like some profound insight and then you're like, what was your question again? I've just gone off somewhere. There's no questions. Yeah, there's no real questions. We're just chatting. I mean, the only big thing about it is the value that the people can get out of it. And I think from today, it's more, you can do something, you can aim for something. It can fucking crumble. You can get back up. If you have kids, you know, you can live a safe life, but that can be potentially the worst lesson for them because they all end up as that could end up as NPCs. And that's the question, like dare to be great. And it's sort of like, you asked, what would you like your kids to think of you? And well, I feel like they should be ashamed of it. But then I'm like, no, they shouldn't because I risked it all. And that's what I want them to do. And I want them to continue to do that. The one question I've got for you, man. What is your feelings around AI and with like the space that you work in? Do you feel like you can use it? Yeah. Use it, or is it going to take what you have? So scripting already. It's fucking saved me so much time. Emails and shit, brainstorming last-minute ideas and putting me at the forefront of like being ready for stuff. Like I want to, I can pitch more quickly. I can sit there and go, okay, I'm stuck. Bang, it's a virtual assistant for me at any moment's notice. I don't have to wait for the time zone to be correct for the lady in the Philippines to be awake, to be able to read my email and then respond to it. And those VAs are going to be in trouble as well. You're doing a lot. Do you think you could do, because I was thinking like, you know, like an Anthony Robbins and those great philosophers. Well, I've played around and you do like Seneca. What are the five best insights? And I said, make it conversational and funny. And then I see like that guy, you know, Stoic Daly, or who I love. And then I'm like, I've simulated on chat DPD equivalent to what he does straight to camera. And I'm like, why the fuck than I just become a self-help guru? Yeah, well, it's your journey as well. But I think for me, for me, the AI thing is going to be very useful. But I think that in the next five years, those who haven't started business by then, we're very hard to do it. And they're going to be either workers for the rest of their life or they're, I don't know. And that's a bold predicament, but like, I don't know. No, I agree with you because I was swimming in my parents pool of all places. And I thought, if I don't accumulate a stash of money very quickly, I'm screwed. I was like, I've probably got five years where I can still outpace the AI or use it for my benefit. If I don't not put a large amount of wealth to insulate me from this big collision that we're about to go through, I'm going to be a fucking full slave. Well, no use. I need money to insulate me from it. It looks like, it's like an insurance policy right now. You need a business or a mechanism in place very, very soon. Like there's not 20 years to work on it and you need it for the benefit of your own kids because they won't be allowed, they won't be able to do it. They know we'll have been lost. That's fucked. That's scary. My sons are relying on me potentially to hear the exit. Save that legacy. Shit, yeah, man. This was fun. All right, a serious one. Hunt and Brew. They're good. Andrew Wolfe. Are you a French? This is actually a great mocha. It is. I drink a bit of it. It's cold press, hey? Don't quote me. Yeah, single origin. No, it's good. It's real good. Are you doing French? Yeah, I am doing French. Plug it, go on. It's called Fire in the Urinal. It's just for this demographic. It's on the 27th, 28th and 29th and most of my show will be written by AI and I'll probably just read it. I'll get AI to read it off my phone. I won't even do the job. And by the time you hear this years from now, we're probably fucked off in the woods somewhere to avoid the robots. Dude, we're hiding. Eventually we're performing. Once we're performing for AI, well, why would you bother to get AI to write it? They'll really know the jokes. Maybe that's what will happen because AI performing to AI, they can predict it but a monkey like me, after 19 beers, they're like, well, this is totally irrational. We didn't expect this. That's really dark, Andrew. That's really dark. We'll give you some feedback. Yeah, no worries. In the description, you know the drill. Good, thanks. Cheers, brother.