 I see. Mine says 27 as well. What's happening? What if we just went to minutes? Let's get rid of ours or invent an international time for everyone and it could be used on the internet. Yeah, what if we instead of like we don't even go UTC, we just keep minutes and we do letters. Letters. It's D 27. Why letters? Well, because we've all grown up associating, you know, six is either early or early evening, right? So if you make it the same number for everybody, it throws everybody off. But if you do letters, none of us have an association with the letter. No, but I think if you count minutes, it's just the same like how many minutes. Yeah, yeah, right. So you have the hour you change the hour to a letter. No, no, no, you don't need that. Just count minutes and add like you'll have what, 1500 minutes in a day? I see what you're saying. I get it. Yeah, OK. All right, that could work. I think that that is new and different to not. Yeah, that also breaks the, you know, the associations. So where do we base the start, though? Oh, Greenwich, right? Yeah, OK. I know that's got a colonial association, but it's just everybody uses it. That's what UTC. Right. I think it should be based on Hawaii because it's in the it's the most or we can do the day line. Which one is the day line? It doesn't have a particular location. It just goes right through the Pacific. I mean, it has a location. Yeah, probably the day line should be maybe the day lines better. Yeah. Sarah thinks we're nuts. No. No, I think you guys are great. I think your impractical plan to change all of time in states is perfectly. Yeah, that's probably the most sincere statement I have. It also avoided the question. It was very diplomatic. Yeah. Do you not like this conversation? You're all great. That's handy. That's a handy. That's a handy tip. Yeah, I contact people like thanks. Wait, what happened? Who's right here? You're all great. I like it. OK, let's get going. Shall we? Let's do it. Here we go. Three, two. Do you like listening to advertisements? Me neither. Want to help and support creators directly? Then head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support and help us reach our new milestone today. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, March 20th, 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane. And from Cry Central in Helsinki. I'm Patrick Beja. You can tell where things are with Patrick and his newfound fatherhood. Right. I'm talking about my cries. Yes, of course. Those are two different, yeah. The cries of a newfound father. Roger Chang, our producer, is well familiar with those cries, I'm sure. Yes, they are still in my head. But you know what? It passes. That's what everyone says. I have my doubts. Someday. Someday, Patrick. The cries just evolve. Right? Yeah, I think it goes from like, man, to like, can I have the car keys? Well, a lot of people have been crying about Facebook and Cambridge analytics. And one thing that might change the whole landscape on that kind of thing, not that thing in particularly, is a new European regulation. Patrick's going to help us understand. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Bloomberg reports that the US FTC will send Facebook a letter asking questions regarding how it handled global science research's violation of terms when it handed over user data. It had gathered to a third party without authorization. A consent decree from 2011 requires Facebook to get user consent for certain changes to privacy settings. IBM announced a deep learning as a service program. Developers can train neural networks using frameworks like TensorFlow, PyTorch, and Cafe, and only pay for the GPU time they use. The D-L-A-A-S, as it's shortened, sorry, runs on IBM's Watson platform. So more... I should have said it like that. You're right. No, I don't think anyone should ever say it like that again. They lost. Now that I've tried it out. Nimbus data of Irvine, California has introduced the ExaDrive, solid state drive, which can store 100 terabytes. Joey Image, I'm looking at you. The Nimbus is smaller and more power efficient, and Nimbus says a standard rack in a data center, which is what these are meant for, could hold more than 100 petabytes worth of ExaDrives. Drives will cost several thousand dollars and become available this summer. Let's talk a little bit more about Facebook, but this time regarding their security officer. You're right. The New York Times reports Facebook chief information security officer, Alex Stamos, is leaving the company in August, citing sources and that internal disagreements over how the social networks should deal with its role spreading false and misleading information. In response to the story, Stamos tweeted that his role at the company did change, but that he was still working at Facebook. They say he's leaving in August though, so maybe he's playing a little trick here. Yeah, he's very, very well phrased. I'm still working here until August, as I guess we'll find out in August, but the central tension has been about legal and policy teams versus the security team. The security team pushes for more disclosure about things. Disclosure reports. How are nation states asking us about things, and the legal folks want to lock that up? Well, and according to what I have read, Stamos's team has started from over 100 people to less than five now. This isn't necessarily something that happened over the last couple of days. It may have been a winding down of a department in general. Yeah, and I'm wondering if recent events might not change. I mean, it's changing people minds, I think, everywhere and everything, but including at Facebook. So we'll see how that goes. Yeah, it does sound like what Stamos is pushing for is let people know what's happened, and Facebook is a little wary of it being misinterpreted or mishandled. And he does admit, he's like, yeah, I've had disagreements with my colleagues, so he's not trying to deny that part of it. Moving on, after viewing video recorded by Uber's self-driving car of the fatal collision it was involved in on Monday, Tempe police, Tempe Arizona police chief, Sylvia Moir, told the San Francisco Chronicle, quote, I suspect preliminarily it appears that the Uber car would likely not be at fault in this accident. It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode, autonomous or human driven based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway. Meanwhile, Toyota said on Tuesday it would also pause testing of its autonomous vehicles on public roads. So, you know, the companies are spooked, even though as information seems to come out about this, it is, you know, obviously very tragic, but not something that appeared to be at the fold of the driver who was behind the wheel or the fold of the autonomous vehicle necessarily. It seems, I mean, you say they're spooked, yeah, they're probably spooked, but also another word could be acting responsibly. Maybe they're thinking, you know, those are not mutually exclusive, you're right, yeah. I guess, yeah. And on the other hand, I think it's, it is obviously tragic. Death is never something not tragic, I would say, but it's also for the development of this technology. It's, if it turns out that it is indeed not the responsibility of the car or actually even the driver that's involved, it makes the first incident, it puts the autonomous car in the clear for the first incident. And if the first one is putting the responsibility on the car, then it paints the whole industry with that brush. Now that the first one hopefully will not be, you know, the car will not be responsible. I'm sorry, it's just weird to say the car is responsible. It's a little bit too anthropomorphized, but if something happens, you know, next time something will happen and it will, you can always point to the first one and say, wait a second before you, you know, draw conclusions, this can happen sometimes and it might not necessarily be the responsibility of the car. Well, and let's be responsible and say that Chief Moore is saying our preliminary investigation indicates it might be this. We still don't know for sure. There might still be charges that might have to be faced because even if the car is not at fault, and by the way, the safety driver is liable. So even if the safety driver is not at fault, there may be other things the safety driver did that they could be cited for. Maybe there was not a complete stop. I would doubt that with a self-driving car. Usually they air the other way, but we don't know all the facts. That said, if this ends up being what it looks like, which is an unavoidable accident, someone, she was walking a bike, came out away from the crosswalk in the dark. The crosswalk was lighted, but the area where she was was not according to what the Chief said. It would never have been avoided by a human driver either. It would have been very difficult for anyone to avoid this accident. I think that kind of shortcuts this conversation to a more pertinent situation, which is, are we going to be okay with that? Or will we hold autonomous cars to a higher standard and say, sure, maybe a human driver wouldn't have been able to avoid this accident, but an autonomous car should? Because it wasn't a malfunction of the sensor that could be fixed. It's saying it's unavoidable means it will happen again. Right? You know, when you think in terms of just, like, statistics, you know, of how many people die in car-related deaths every year, and we talked about this on the show yesterday. We got an email about this, and we're going to talk about it a little bit. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, it pushes some buttons. And a lot of us, I mean, myself included, like, I don't really know the answer. I mean, I know AI isn't perfect. We all have seen that in various, you know, ways that AI is supposed to take over, you know, the roles of humans. This is one of those situations where it's like, well, it's easy to be like, well, you know, can't have robots roaming the streets. They're going to kill people, but people also make mistakes, too. So it's like, how do we, how do we weigh that stuff so that we're responsible about how the technology evolves? IBM is launching Watson Assistant for companies that want to build virtual assistants for their products. Unlike Amazon Voice Services or Google Assistant, Watson is a white label product. That means the clients control everything. They can, they can brand it how they want. They can make it have a different wake word. They can train it on their own data sets, and these Watson instances are siloed, meaning the data isn't pooled like it is with Google or Amazon. Harman is apparently using Watson to build Watson Assistant for a Maserati concept car, and the Pepper robot at Munich Airport is using Watson as well. So not a lot of widespread use of this yet, but it's, it's an interesting take where they're, you know, in this world of we think maybe these companies have too much data collected, this is a way for companies to keep that data within their walls. However, it, I mean, those types of AIs and programs run on data. So Watson and IBM have data from other services, I'm sure. But I wonder how much, if they're entirely 100% siloed, or if there's something that No, the silo, that's a very good point. The silo does not refer to what created the Assistant in the first place, but there's no data passed along. The siloing says, you train our algorithms on your data set, and any data you collect in the use of your Assistant you keep, it doesn't get sent to IBM like if you put Amazon Voice Services on something, it gets sent to Amazon, Google Assistant, it gets sent to Google. In these cases, it won't. Right. So, but yeah, so I guess in that case it is siloed from the, yeah, the company that's using this white label service perspective. It's, I think it's a good move on IBM because they couldn't, I don't think anyone would use an IBM Assistant or Watson Assistant as such, but creating as a white label thing is, is it different enough that it would be a Maserati Assistant? Exactly. Google announced a new program to fight misinformation called the Google News Initiative, similar to what the company already offers in Europe through the Digital News Initiative. Highlights include striving for accurate journalism, particularly during breaking news events, helping news sites continue to grow from a business perspective and creating new tools to help journalists do their jobs. Google pledges to invest $300 million towards $300 million towards the effort over the next three years. Wait, Google is just great at naming things, aren't they? It's almost Microsoftian, isn't it? The Google News Initiative. Well, I mean, it smells a little bit. It says the folks on Daily Tech News Show, so I'm not sure. I think, you know, it sounds a little bit like the Avengers Initiative and they're saving the world all the time. So this is like, okay, you want to help journalists and you want to do this and that $300 million over the next several years is that's a significant amount. So in that sense, especially because there's already a program that the company is running in the UK that this is modeled after, you know, it's not total, you know, this is not insignificant, right? No, yeah, I mean, it's Google has money and it's not a bad program in and of itself, but Google is doing it for public relations reasons. And maybe that means it may still be a good program, but they're doing it because they're perceived as ruining journalism and they want to try to do something that shows that they're not. And maybe they also care about misinformation and the issues that causes. They may both be true. You guys want to talk about dating apps? Yeah, sure. Great, because I got a story. The company of both Tinder and match.com, which came before it, was suing rival dating app Bumble for patent infringement and misuse of intellectual property. The story is match alleges that Bumble copied its world changing card swipe based, this is match's terms, mutual opt-in premise and its patent. It filed in 2013, but just got granted a few months ago. Bumble responded today in a blog post that alleges match actually made multiple attempts to buy Bumble. Some of this is about anyway, as well as launched a copy kit of Bumble's ladies first feature for anybody who doesn't know what that means. It means the woman has to initiate conversation with the man. That's what that means. In the letter, Bumble says to match, and this is good, quote, we swipe left on your attempted scare tactics and on these endless games, we swipe left on your assumption that a baseless lawsuit would intimidate us. Left is reject. I think they should put this in a dramatic speech done in front of a huge crowd. We swipe left on your attempted scare tactics. We swipe left. We swipe left. The whole thing is, I don't know. Again, I probably am slightly closer to dating apps than maybe present but they're all more or less the same. Tinder did really change a lot of the ways that people are using apps but that is no different than any other app that works really well, like a messaging app where other messaging apps end up sort of looking at that first messaging app. The idea of dating is this is not novel, it's just sort of human behavior and what works. It feels like a situation where Match Patent knows that in the current Patent climate it could probably crush a lot of people because of the way Patent law works in the United States hasn't done that for whatever reason and is using it as a weapon against a bumble. It doesn't mean they don't have a valid case, it means they get to decide when to exercise that weapon and because Bumble is not playing well with the acquisition offers they're going to try to hold it over their head. So I think Bumble is right but I also think Match is right. I would also argue that yes, dating apps are all the same but the swiping thing regardless of how valid the Patent is and that's I'm sure subject to discussion, it did change things. It did put Tinder on the map. Everyone knows about swiping left and swiping right even if you've never used Tinder so the fact that they would copy it, it is something a little bit different. It's like, I don't know the like, Facebook like everyone knows that thumbs up thing and it's not as important but I don't know the swiping is more than just a insignificant thing that everyone had anyway. It was more I swipe right into presentation. Thank you. To get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines you can get it on the Amazon Echo, the Google Home, the Anchor App and of course as a podcast in the podcast app and many others at DailyTechHeadlines.com So coming up on May 25th Europe's General Data Protection Regulation, you're going to hear it commonly referred to as GDPR, goes into effect. It requires that users know, understand and consent to what data is collected about them and how it's used. So it's for the user. It says companies can't just do what they want. They have to tell you what they're going to do in clear language and you have to know about it and agree to it. Patrick, what else should we know about GDPR? You know, it is a huge amount of things. It covers a lot of different areas. Mostly, well, it is entirely about private data but I think a good way of thinking about it is taking a bird's eye view and trying to understand what it tries to do and the way it looks at the situation is data is the property of the individual service users, the clients or the people, and that property, that data should be respected by the companies and treated ethically. And the issue is, you can tell people all day long, you should do things ethically and respect this or that especially companies, if you don't constrain them by laws then they're not going to and they shouldn't. That's how you decide how companies behave. You write laws. The GDPR is taking the approach of telling the huge companies of the world, and yes, they're mostly I would say American companies but this applies to everyone. You have to be respectful of the user's data and this manifests in many different ways. One example is, as you mentioned you have to be able to understand in which ways your data is going to be used once you sign up for a service. And this is when you start exploring that, you get into the murky side because that's very easy to say but how do you actually do that? How do you boil down a gigantic legalese of a eula into a readable form? And that is what those companies are being for. They have to present to you that information in an understandable way. But who decides what is understandable to the general populace? That's a big question and these kinds of questions are very numerous in this GDPR. But the thing is, I think the way people look at it here in Europe and in the governmental bodies decided on this and just to be clear the GDPR is the EU version and each state has to implement it on its own after that. So it might differ a little bit here and there. But those questions are valid and they are going to be asked. But the thing is the alternative to designing the intent is to just do nothing and to leave the situation as it is now. I think a lot of people are thinking this is not reasonable either. So it's kind of a which is the least unreasonable approach to this issue that you can think of and that's the one you should probably implement. And in this case, I think given the way Facebook's image and what they do and all social networks and companies, tech companies in general I think a lot of people are starting to think of the approach that maybe they've been behaving a little bit recklessly and they need to be brought in even just a little bit. So understanding what Facebook is going to be doing with your data once you give it to the company is not an unreasonable ask. Now how you exactly implement it is more difficult than just saying hey this and that. But the ask itself doesn't seem unreasonable. I don't know if you guys agree. I love the part of this that requires it to be a natural language. I have the same question Sarah has which is who gets to decide that but I like the aim of it which is to say hey putting up a link to a terms of service that says use of this site means you agree to all this legalese which is what we've lived with till now is horse apples that even if it's been legal that's not valid. That's not really agreeing to anything. So this is even if it doesn't work I think it's the right direction. I think it's great if for no other reason that it's an attempt to say hey maybe we need to actually have people understand what they're agreeing to before we can consider it legal that they agreed to it. And you know even I'm agreeing with you but I also think that initial reaction well how are you going to explain it well it could be fairly simple like instead of saying you know we use this data to improve our services which is usually the thing and they list every single thing you could ever think of in there. You could say well we use your data to share with your contacts you've established on our service and to better to offer you better to serve you better targeted ads and that's not difficult to understand and some people might not care most people will not care even if it's still a little bit complicated people will have an opportunity and researchers and people who do care about these things will have an opportunity to shift through all of it and point out when some things are maybe not as you know kosher as they should be. I was just going to mention Natasha Niko's article from Wired. Goodread will have a link to it in the show notes about the fact that because Europe is doing this a lot of companies are applying their changes worldwide because it's cheaper. Google is changing its dashboard to comply with GDPR and be easier to use and easier to read but that's going to help everyone else in the US to be able to use that easier as well so that's another knock on effect of the GDPR going into place. I also want to mention before we move on that there are financial penalties attached to all of this and that's you know you can take look at this and say the government is impeding innovation and you know maybe it might have an effect there but it also enables government to enforce some of the rules that have kind of been common knowledge or moral knowledge in the past but that have not been able to be enforced so that is also an important part of it it creates a system to actually you know rebalance the power between the big tech companies and states which is very imbalanced right now. Well I hope this ends up being more than an annoying pop up that tells you the cookies are there. I really hope so as well. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and facebook.com. We have a thing of the day from Nate Langson who's telling us what's going on across the pond in text message which is a little bit different this time and involves geisha tech. Thanks guys this week I'm going to do something a little bit different and actually suggest that you listen to an episode that is actually slightly older than the most recent one that will be available on our feed episode 128 of text message and the reason is I recorded it in Japan in Kyoto with my wife just over a week ago and we managed to get inside what's called a geisha house where the traditional artists and entertainers in the geisha world live and we managed to speak with these geishas, these performers to find out the kind of technology that they have inside these incredibly traditional environments. It's a very different show to what we normally do but if anyone's got any interest at all in Japanese history I would strongly recommend giving it a listen or if you're just curious about what it's like to tour around Tokyo and Kyoto at the moment we've made quite a few street based observations. That's available right now at techpodcast.uk Back to you. He said he was going to Japan asked me about my visit to Kyoto a couple years ago and I said, oh, we had a great time trying to find real geisha in the traditional area but we never had any luck. He goes there and gets an interview about geisha tech. On his honeymoon no less. On his honeymoon. This is a man who is dedicated to his craft. It sounds great. I can't wait for this one. Alright, let's see what's in the mail bag. Joe the pilot wrote in, Lance Uanolf was a guest on our show yesterday and we were talking I think it was before the show actually started about the fact that he lives on the east coast and had had some flight issues lately because of weather. Joe the pilot says keep in mind the FAA does ground fleet sometimes but an accident with a pilot is probably because we're mostly out flying. Wasn't that long ago a 787 would get parked until the battery issue was resolved. Industry swapped out to dumber batteries if they wanted to keep flying. Operators were almost always parked into the flap if you got resolved. Decades ago the whole fleets would get parked on rudder and engine issues. We just don't have much money tied up in autonomous cars that finding an impractical fix to tie this over from the FAA restriction would make economic sense at least not yet. He's referring to Lance saying we don't ground all planes when there's a problem and Joe gave a nice balanced response to that. Some people are like, yes we do ground planes and Joe's like sometimes it happens occasionally. Thank you Joe for sharing that and also Ryan was one of a few people that wrote in and thought that our tone yesterday was that autonomous cars are definitely safer than human driven cars. He says what data is this based on? In my brief Google's I couldn't find any indication that autonomous cars have logged nearly enough miles to be able to make a comparison like that. Now that the first robot murdered a human I'd like to make a case for the human driver. The IIHS in the U.S. reports only 1.16 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. Obviously anything greater than zero is bad but at one death per 86.2 million miles I think the skills of human drivers are being unfairly minimized. Not only that as you can see pedestrian and cyclist deaths are 18% of that number so one death per 478.9 thousand miles if my math is correct show me the facts. P.S. tone is difficult in email. This is meant to be about 75% sincere. That's a good... I absolutely love that P.S. for Ryan. That's completely valid. We're just now starting to build up data from how autonomous cars actually work based on how we think they should work. That said and I'm not saying it's going to be any better than humans because I really don't know. That said, a robot's not going to look at their phone because no one's going to text the robot or the robot won't be drunk or tired or there are a lot of factors that go into human drivers that I'm not saying it means that everybody's a bad driver certainly not but it is a factor and can't be ignored. Yeah and yesterday I was coming out hard assuming most of the audience is going to be leaning towards the well an autonomous car is killed a driver I guess autonomous cars aren't safe and so I was like hey wait a minute this is one death we have many more deaths with human driven cars I was not trying to make the point that thus we can prove that that autonomous cars are safer. In fact where we got in the conversation was I think we don't have enough data yet this is not enough data to lean one way or the other and thank you to Ryan and everyone else who sort of wrote in to make sure we lean back that other way and go hey hold on this doesn't prove autonomous cars are or are not safely. I think there's also a point to be made which I think the fear was the public would freak out and the general public would freak out when an autonomous car would be involved in an accident not realizing that you know we're not making the connection that there are accidents all the time when we don't necessarily freak out so that's why we will go into that you know overly optimistic trend about autonomous cars. Well thanks to both Joe and Ryan for writing in and thanks to everybody who writes in and also thanks to Patrick Beja I know sleep has been a challenge for you recently but it's always nice to see you every week let folks know where they can keep up with your work you can go to Frenchspin.com for example or follow me on twitter and listen to my shows the one I would recommend today would be the latest episode of the Philius Club where we had a hour long conversation with three gun owners about gun laws and it's something that was really difficult to put together in order to be both respectful and coherent and lots of other positive adjectives I think it went pretty well and it might not be super easy for people to listen to but I think it's an important way of talking about all of this so no it's a great example of arguing to learn not arguing to win you had three people in favor of guns talking to Patrick and they all respected each other it's beautiful and I do want to say we talked about this and talked about what reasonable gun laws could be implemented some they agreed with some they didn't agree with but what came out was I think a lot more common ground than people think when they look at everything else so That's the Philius Club Yes at Frenchspin.com Real quick I want to finish with another email from Brent who is like hey Tom, Sarah, Roger fantastic DTNS team I want to let you know I'm having to reduce my monthly pledge starting next month unfortunately I lost my job last week and I'm adjusting accordingly to make sure the family is taken care of at home thank you for any support Brent and we're sorry to hear that you lost a job speaking of family he says I want to throw out a request to my fellow DTNS contributors please consider adding a dollar a month more to your current pledge to help the show not lose the balance of my monthly contribution the show is great and I feel bad that I can't keep up with my current level for the short term once I'm back up and running I'll increase my contribution again PS if anyone needs a tech oriented general manager in the Bay Area drop me a line so mostly I love Patrons helping patrons Exactly I love that Brent would put out the call like that thank you Brent but also if you need a tech oriented general manager in the Bay Area feedback at dailytechnewshow.com will put you in touch with Brent and honestly I think that person is kind of incredibly bright because he managed to turn his reducing spending for the show into kind of an advertisement for his resume so I'd hire him Sounds like a skilled general manager if you ask me Thanks Brent and anybody who wants to get back to us whether it's a question or comment letting us know that you are skilled and for hire feedback at dailytechnewshow.com anything we just want to hear from you we are also live Monday through Friday at 4.30 p.m. Eastern 2030 UTC you can find out more at dailytechnewshow.com back tomorrow with Dr. Kiki as our guest talk to you then Woo! Good show you guys Yeah good show Sorry if I was less coherent than usual I'm not sure I don't know You were if anything more? No you were perfectly the same awesome Patrick you are Perfectly coherent that's great I couldn't tell if the baby was crying or not I didn't hear anything Yeah you wouldn't though I don't know so I'm going to go check out because my wife should Yeah yeah go for it man Thanks Patrick good to see you Bye I'll talk to you Roger for the things Bye Bye chat room I love you Oh I forgot to turn off my I mute myself Well have you got us the perfect title Roger Let's make it the perfect title Wow I just got this bumble email I don't know why I just got it Yeah it's very very heavy handed That's usually the case for me I always see news stories before I get the email from the company about the news story with rare exceptions I'm trying to think there was recently one email before the news broke and I can't remember what it was now but yeah almost always the story breaks and then the email finally shows up I think because when in those things They may also rule out it not a total mass email to begin with Yeah that's what I was going to say is they send them out through their campaign managers which are actually most of those are built to not send all the emails at once because they trip spam filters Oh yeah listen to this we a woman-funded woman-led company aren't scared of aggressive corporate culture that's what we call bullying and we swipe left on bullies ask the thousands of users we've blocked from our platform for bad behavior You know what's funny about the whole swipe left Yeah well it's trying to rally Hey ladies look what I just don't support that I mean I'm a little out of touch but I don't know anyone who's like bumbles the way that we you know get rid of corporate culture Yeah What's funny to me funny to me about all of this is swipe right is the only thing I ever hear right and so somebody says swipe right I'm like oh that's a good thing swipe left you never hear anyone say swipe left which is why I'm like wait that's the bad thing right Tom you do you swipe left on all things you hate People don't say it I hear people say I'll swipe right on that I rarely hear people say I swipe left I think the joke goes both ways I just don't like if you don't like spinach you swipe left on spinach I don't understand that Alright I'm out of touch then We're all out of touch You're out of touch What about your fights for the user? Your fights for the user Yeah We've done the Tron before I'm pretty sure We swipe left A show without merit You gotta fight for your right to swipe right jobs This swipe could change your life I mean I guess that's true you know turning right on a street could change your life Who knows? Bumble swipes left on Tinder Tinder It's sort of like that Every Sherlock can have a watch So there's nothing about GDPR I guess huh Other than your fights for the user Which is good I just We've used it before What about if we change it But you guys are stymied huh What would you say like At the I'm trying to think of something clever and I'm just I'm stymied by that Kind of like GDPR greater than ULA Where's that Oh that's just common Yeah that's good It's rocketing up the charts too Look at that Great I'm into it Alright done nice Nick with a C Nick with a C meaning Nick without a K No he has a K too Oh I see It's not N-I-K There is an N-I-K Nick in the DTNS audience I don't know if that's why Nick with a C is Nick with a C Got it We need an origin story Nick I was born I was bit by a radioactive user name I ate all my vitamins and had a good diet and now I'm healthy man You gotta swipe for your right to bomb One of my favorite Instagram accounts to this day is Tender Nightmares Don't know if you guys follow that or not But it's basically you know when you it doesn't have to apply to Tender but it just happens to be Tender focused when you you know match with somebody then you can like talk to each other it's not text they don't have your phone number yet you know it's within the app and it's all sort of like original things that you know mostly guys you know put out to try to get the conversation started you know where it's just like yeah that's the worst pickup line in the world Have you ever had anyone do a magic trick to pick the ice over the Tender app? Oh I have a feeling Roger may not have fully been following your story I mean I think that'd be amazing actually and probably wouldn't be part of Tender Nightmares but magic tricks are great just not sure how that would be conveyed wouldn't be a nightmare though like your trick has fallen flat can you send video or is it just text it's just text so we would have to be limited to I'm thinking of a card right or do you like magic tricks perhaps you'd like to meet me tonight so that I can show you the magic trick because it just doesn't translate I don't know if that's clever or horrible it might be do you like bowling because my team is bowling tonight we could use an extra player yeah do you like cleaning because I'm cleaning my car tonight if you want to join me we throw a bowling bowling is a fun activity sure no you guys aren't throwing out pickup lines you're just saying like hey do you like mopping your floor because my house is dirty I'm going to throw a little pickup line and when you're done let yourself out I think you have the wrong I should never date period I do not miss it I'll tell you that it's just gotten weird I don't even remember having pickup lines I don't I don't know I know that's sort of like a thing I was like oh you know pickup lines but I don't remember really ever hearing any not like where I'm like oh what a line not really it's more of a conversational gam that's sort of the reality the vibe is happening or not but not because somebody had a book of lines it's more like oh I see you're drinking an IPA like Goose Island right and if the girl's like okay I see you like to eat would you like to have dinner I see you are a bipedal human right you appear to enjoy protein in order to survive would you like to stand up right with me sir you're not an alien are you oh you're an alien okay then walk away okay you seem to be swaying to this particular tune perhaps if we beat somewhere else will they play more of this oh this is truly the worst we are tinder nightmares we're actually worse than I would be great I can't hmm oh man I will say I wouldn't call this a pickup line necessarily who even knows anymore but I will say of my 7 plus which is shattered and has been for some time and I just sort of abandoned getting the iPhone 10 because I was like I'll get it when I really need it it is the number one conversation starter that is next to me no matter where I am DMV line it could be anywhere hey how do you shatter your screen or I'm like I dropped it that could go several ways that could be a pickup line I'm going to start a conversation or it could just be somebody who's like whoa that's really shattered how do you live I just used to wear very amusing t-shirts although it seemed to work that was your tactic I think Roger just jumped ahead in the conversation oh I'm sorry did you take the screen um well t-shirts probably and again it's not like people are like being leery about it you know there's like I have a lot of people being like I'm like it would be like having a scar on your face and someone's like what happened I think the first time I saw your phone after it was broken I said something like wow your phone's real broken we're already friends weren't like some guy next to me DMV line who had an appointment but still had to wait two hours how did you break your phone smashing it over the head of the last guy I'm gonna say that you know what if you buy me dinner booze and my rent I'll talk to you about it for ten minutes dinner booze and rent gosh that'd be a good sure they pay for a solo dinner some booze and some rent they don't get to come and in exchange they get to talk to you for dinner there was actually I'm actually thinking about this now I'm not kidding it's a real conversation starter to the point where I almost don't want to fix my phone anymore a guy was like he's next to me and he's like oh wow look at your shattered screen look at mine and I looked at it and I'm like yeah that's pretty shattered how about that both have shattered screens and then he was kind of like no look more closely ha ha wink wink and it was just a picture of a shattered screen that he had set as his you know screens over his locked screen so I was like and now I was like this is your weird I can't too much too much that's a pickup line that's a pickup line almost it took me like a couple minutes to get what he was saying and he was like get it and I'm like okay that's a weed out factor though and I feel like pickup lines are a weed out factor where it's like I am looking for someone who doesn't mind that I use stupid pickup lines and if you do then yes we'll both move on to the you know sure I think the pickup line that's like confusing for everyone that has to be explained it's like the joke you know if you have to explain it maybe it wasn't that funny delivery needs a little work yeah but that one person that that you run into and it's like that's hilarious I love it then you know it's the one so yeah adventures in swiping in swiping adventures in swiping that's not a bad idea for a show actually adventures in swiping hey you know what it could be an off speed rom-com I think it would be by definition kind of romantic kind of funny very off beat very at the same time like where alright well I think we have a published show excellent 30 minutes of length involving discussion of tech news as promised as per our SLA are you la in no uncertain terms so thank you all for joining us thanks guys alright stream is stopped