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He's a principal at a high school and like a lot of his political views link that way Which I enjoy because we're best friends and so we we argue it out all the time And you know, there's certain things that you know He brings to light that I was unaware of from his perspective and I go like okay, I get that a little bit, right? So we we are making the case about You know the weight room being like it's market driven, right? Oh, I mean the women's basketball versus the men's yeah yeah, right so we made that case the other day and It's gone viral and it's causing all kinds of stink and everything that in fact by the way NCAA responded right away, and they set up the girls weight room which by the way is a market response, right? Because they were about to suffer and it they were about to suffer the consequences of people who thought this was so bad and so unfair Yes, that's that is a market respond like protesting in front of a business or putting bad reviews, right? Is a market response totally totally for all that and then my buddy brought up other points because we were talking about it being you know A market response and you know the men's basketball team that produces seven hundred million dollars a year At the tournament and then the women's tournament actually loses money and they the most women's programs and basketball lose money You're blah blah blah well. He's like it doesn't matter none of these athletes get paid They're not getting paid for that It'd be different if we're talking about free markets where you know the the men are actually getting money for making that and well Well, the school does and that's always been a debate should we allow them to make money? Yeah, but and then so back to what my argument was with you a little bit was that title 9 does cover that And that's why it that's why it is unfair is because title 9 basically says that the school gets this allotted money And they have to evenly distribute it regardless of which side whether the men or the women are now that's Federal money that you're talking about yes, right But the money that the universities get isn't just the federal money, right correct They get lots of money from Merchandise and people paying to watch that's what makes this kind of murky though Right is because they're not only they taking money on but then they're also making money on you know Here's the thing I actually just gotten a debate with with Connor you guys know Connor with his his podcast I love talking about this kind of stuff because we can you know We're usually on on different sides and we'll have these great discussions and I try I tell them I'm like look you know Markets are what they are and look standing on the outside and looking at them and saying that's unfair. It's not a It's not an accurate way to judge it I'll give you an example, okay I could argue very very strongly that that teachers are more valuable than Beyonce very I could make that argument Hey, a teacher is teaching kids the responsible for raising our youth and I've had good teachers in the past had a Tremendous impacts on me, right? I don't think anybody would argue a teacher will never make more than Beyonce Beyonce makes tremendous amounts of money now. Why is that and it seems unfair, right? It seems like it's how's that fair teachers so much more valuable. It's because There's a strong demand for what Beyonce does and there's only one Beyonce's only there's very few people that can do that now with teachers There's definitely demand But there's also a huge supply of people willing to be teachers So the cost or the value of that service is far lower Yeah so people like Beyonce or professional athletes are gonna make more money than Then you know teachers or social service workers or even doctors There's surgeons who save lives all the time don't make as much money as you know Tom Brady does right, right? So this is just the way it is and the way you need to look at it is you need to Look at it like a mirror. This isn't the this is the responsibility of us if we think it's a problem It's our spending. Well, that's when you come. That's when you come from a very free market point of view Human behavior. Yeah, but I mean that's what you gotta understand This was like my buddy like my buddy leans with like a lot of these socialist ideas, right? That the government should come in and even this out, you know, if it was up to them They they would want, you know teachers to get paid more Let's take some more money from Beyonce and let's move it over to the teachers So they make more money see the problem with that is and I can see you can argue specifics And you could you can make some pretty, you know some what sound to be Compelling arguments. The problem is is we're blaming a system on human behavior So human and this is why income inequality exists and this is why income inequality will always grow is Because and that means the gap right the the poor versus the rich or the middle class versus the rich The reason why that'll always exist is because we're value driven So humans always we make decisions based off of value every decision you make is based off The reason why you work where you work is because it's the best option that you had available versus other options The reason why I wore this shirt today because I chose it over other shirts and so on so everything's value based And if there's people that provide tremendous value by the way judging what people consider valuable It's a losing game right the top websites on the internet or pornography So I can make an argument that they're not valuable at all Well, I mean obviously to people that are valuable right does that mean that it's it's it's you know Good for them or whatever. No, but it's what people value. So they're the ones that are making this decision So people value things and when people can provide something that a lot of people value People give them their money. So Jeff Bezos for example, is it tremendously wealthy? But he's tremendously wealthy because Amazon provides a lot of people a lot of value We're the ones that voluntarily gave him this money and did this stuff and then as far as wealth is concerned It's not a zero-sum game meaning if I have more that means that there's less going around That only happens when I steal right so like back in the day when we would plunder Yeah, that made sense like there was only so much gold and I come in my army would defeat yours And I take your stuff. You're poor now. I'm rich in in markets Wealth grows because things become more efficient. We start to innovate, but here's what happens The more specialized you are and the more value you provide the more you're gonna make versus someone who's less specialized and less valued Now now this also means that the person providing all this value and innovation Lifts everybody out. So what that means is that today if you were lower middle class You have way more wealth than someone 50 years ago who is lower middle class Here there's here's some other facts. This is just the bottom line when you're when you invest your money If if you invest $100,000 and I invest $10,000 in the same investment and they both grow 10% We both made 10% but you made 10 grand. I made one grand So now your wealth in total dollars grew much more than my did even though they both grew at 10% So we're looking at this and we're saying we're judging things But you know, I tell you what find me a system that you want to be in a system where there's a smaller gap But everybody's more poor and there's way less innovation, you know You can go to North Korea and now by the way the gap there's massive if you look at the ruling class Sorry like the leaders and the people who barely have enough food, but if you cut out the leaders Yeah, there's much more equal. They're everybody's much closer together, but everybody's equally poor, you know Well with this thing that I found a couple things really ironic, right? So Sunday and I totally set my buddy up because I knew this was what's gonna happen So he's like we're fighting back and forth and over this discount. This was like Friday Saturday's conversation Well Sunday rolls around and in my house, you know, I have my you know, Katrina is a division one basketball player So we watch women's basketball in my house And so I sent a text message to my buddy that was advocating for you know, the women's weight room and I was like that And I say my actions. No, I said what are you doing right now? He was like playing with his daughter I think they were watching like some Disney movie or something like that. I said that's funny I said the guy who wants who wants to advocate for women being equal with their weight room and getting just as much Funding as the guys one of the best ways that you could do that is to support them by watching them or buying their jerseys I was like, it's so funny to me the people that are that are getting all fired up about this I'm like they've probably never given a single dollar. They just need to be reminded of that You know, like it's it's one thing to say something, but really it's the actions that move people in a direction for change Yeah, and it sucks because it means you have to take responsibility Yeah, you actually have to do something about it which nobody nobody wants to do It's like driving with a lot of these causes out. Dude. It's like driving around and complaining that it's like complaining about You know crime or whatever. Oh, it's all crime. It's all this crime And yet you don't do anything about it. You don't try to advocate for police You don't try to you know set up things yourself Yeah, you know, it's like the kid that lives at home that complains about not getting dinner You're like go make some for me. Yeah, it's funny. I've been I've been sitting in on these zoom calls And I haven't found a Beyonce yet You know the second most ironic thing about this debate This will be the last thing and we'll drop this conversation But I just I think it's going viral right now everybody's talking and fighting about it And I was you know my buddies There's there's three of us right that we're going back and forth and then finally one of my buddies Posed the best question of all he says what division one coaches letting their players Lift weights between games And I go I started laughing I go exactly dude I'm all that all this is like smoking mirrors because I don't know I don't know a single coach that would let their athlete go do squats or deadlifts between a tournament I mean you all your all your weight training and and like hardcore training is in preparation Of the big dance of the big game like that. You're not you're might be doing some rehab shit Exactly if you rehab or just like trying to you know maintain your stamina or something But yeah, not not mid-season or like especially like when you're in a competitive Championship tournament. Yeah, you're playing basketball every not working out every other day I mean you are your rest recovery on day days off. You're an ice bath. You're doing infrared You're getting massages. That's what I need. You're doing mobility. You're doing you're stretching You know I'm saying you're not pounding the way you're not in there squatting and deadlifting dude Come on. So this whole thing is hilarious to me because it's like who the fuck is even doing that Like I think it just happened to be that they had access to that at that at this because they're in different facilities completely So one facility probably had this big old weight room area and the other one didn't and so it turned into this huge Well, it's just a picture that shows such a you know discrepancy between the two and I think that's why I was so viral Yeah, I think it's because we equate the effort that people put into things with Value so we say they work just as hard and they do They're train their asses off and they do yep, and and why aren't they doing why aren't they making it? It's because we don't value their basketball as much. That's it It's a bomb. You know what they you know, it's equivalent of this What if they what if instead of showing the weight room they showed the crowd? This is not fair look at the massive crowd for the men's basketball game Right and look at this tiny crowd for the women But they wouldn't do that right because that then is on us right it looks like now and of course that points moot right now Everybody's going there's no crowds anywhere of course, you know, so I mean, but I mean the audience TV on it Well on a normal right so yeah, your point is valid, but yeah right now that there's no crowds Yeah, do you guys remember when you piece that together with with training in season that you should not hammer yourself with weights in season? Why it came around so when we were kids we knew nothing, right? So when I'll be you up all the time Yeah, yeah, when you were kid we were doing everything wrong That's why I think I asked Justin when we first brought this up like what his coaches were what level they were at because he obviously went a Lot further in sports But I feel like now I mean the amount of information that is out there like once you're at the beyond the high school level You know, oh, yeah, it's it's completely like a different Every time you go up a level like so from high school to then college to then you know If you're in a bigger division division one and then you go into like, you know Miners or pros like you're gonna get a completely different type of coach Hopefully, but I definitely like we would start backing off of even a lot of the intensity like midweek Leading into competition because it's just like let's stay healthy. Let's stay fresh. Let's just you know Go over our skills and you know, but in high school. We're just bashing each other's brains out You know, it's like what are we doing like if people showing up? No gains come off season and then during the season your goals to keep yourself And not to mention that especially a sport like a finesse sport like basketball. You do not what's wrong mazzi You can kick him out Doug if he's bothering you Dude, you think of basketball as a finesse sport so that you can't you can't have tight shoulders You know saying you can't be sore in your legs Like you need to be completely fresh when you're playing a game Or else this that slightest bit of being tight joint health is at the utmost concerned. Yeah, so I don't know I thought was pretty funny. That is pretty hilarious. I remember piecing that together as an early trainer I had a gentleman that I trained that was he was a coach and He was the one that told me that he goes you guys you ever train young athletes at this point I was a new trainer so I mean no no I have it and he goes here's one thing to keep a mind Always make sure that if you're gonna train them to get stronger and train them hard that it's off season when they're in season Just keep them from getting hurt and I was like mind blown because I was a new trainer and not having tons of experience With lots of organized sports. I remember I was young. I was 18 years old. I thought if I train a young athlete Yeah, I'm gonna make them, you know crush all the time. Don't do that. You'll get them hurt Hey, have you guys seen? The it's a series on Netflix called formula one. No. Yeah, actually I watched a few episodes Okay, so I just so I just started watching it, right? It's I guess it's on season three I didn't see it pop in my my cue until recently and so Katrina and I started watching it now I have to preface this with like I do not know hardly anything about formula one So for those that are like big fans if I if I mess up on on some facts here Yes, not as big here in the States. It's definitely huge huge. Well, why yeah, right, right? So here's something okay now. I remember in the 90s Okay, now I have a very vivid memory of like the Mario and Dretty and the like the Marlboro Right, okay, so do you know that that doesn't exist anymore? Are you familiar with this? No, okay So in 2005 Europe put out like a law that you cannot Advertise cigarettes anymore anything like you can't TV radio and because of because so cigarettes in particular, right? Cigarettes in particular and by the way Marlboro was partnered with Ferrari They had like the most dominant run they still are the most dominant run ever in like formula I think in formula again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I know that they're one of the most dominant forces in formula one So we're watching the series right this happened mind you I did my research to find out that this happened in 05 I don't know this and we're watching and I'm like, you know Katrina and I are watching together So I'm trying to explain to her a little bit about what I know like the points kind of do this And there's two guys per team and and I'm watching I'm like, where's the Marlboro car at and she's like what what are you talking about? I'm like, well, I mean Ferrari and Marlboro have always been paired together forever And so this sends me down the nerdy rabbit hole to like figure this out And I find out that Marlboro's been pulled since 2005 and so I'm like, oh, wow that sucks but then I find out that Marlboro still is Giving a ton of money towards the race program So what they did and this happened, I think in 06 or 07 the first time and this was fucking brilliant Okay, Google this Doug check out Marlboro paint job on for a controversial paint job So Marlboro has Ferrari paint the car and from a bird's-eye view it looks like a pack of cigarettes Oh, wow, so they got around the regulation. Yes Wow, that is brilliant. That is smart. It's so brilliant They were pissed too by the way like they were they threw they were up in arms about it because the smoke that comes out of the exhaust is to me I mean, no head though. So it looks like there's lines like when you look and it looks like a barcodes It literally looks like a pack of Marlboro cigarettes from like a bird's-eye view and then driving around the tracks So the the concept was okay, we'll have we'll send a subliminal message. That is brilliant I know do you know how much money did they talk about how much money goes into the stupid? You know how much they're like fighter jets. Yo, yes guess take a guess at like what like an average There's a big discrepancy by the way of like a small team that's coming up versus like a Did you see all the engineers and everybody they have involved in these cars? You know what a car costs for the build one of those? 100 to 500 million Yeah, and you know that you know that they passed Regulations to because they get so good with the tech that the cars get so fast Then they have to pass new regulations to prevent them from all the time. Yes, it's crazy I mean, they're basically fighter jets that stay on the ground I mean, they're they're pretty much like and they might as well have like You know like jet engines in them. I'm so sucked into the series now. I didn't think I was gonna like it I'm like all into it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, look at that. So okay. They want to top right Yeah, see how it has a barcode and stuff. Yeah, so this is all pre right so back when you can back here You know the you know the old marble That's what I mean that's I have that image in my mind for formula one formula one I can just see the Ferrari the Mario and Dredi car like them winning all the time and then after they get banned This is the direction that go over here. They're right So I got my fan. I have family members that they watch formula one like people here watch the Super Bowl It's like oh, yeah, they'll wake up at 3 a.m. To watch Ferrari race or whatever and it's like a big deal Well, it's like a big source of national, right? Yeah, I was gonna say they're always in there I just one thing I don't understand. I never could understand is how The drivers can make the decisions that they make and control like I remember as a one time as a kid I watched the inside of a cockpit for a one of those funny car dragsters Mm-hmm like six second quarter miles or whatever. Yeah, and I remember a blur. Yeah, how do you know what you're doing? It doesn't make any sense. You know what I brought up to Katrina And I wonder if there's I don't know if you can find this Doug. I was trying to find this so maybe you can Remember when we we interviewed Not Alex, but the other guy the rock climber. Yeah, give his name right now But yeah, yeah, so and they and they said that they they both have had like those brain scans and they're they're missing that that Connection to the front or it's like whatever percentage. They just don't they just don't feel right. Yeah They don't feel and they don't feel like fear, right? They have to do something like almost death-defying just to even get a little bit of an adrenaline rush Mm-hmm. I said I wonder if anyone's ever done that same scan on these drivers because I would imagine Of course and when you hear they're interviewing them in this show when you hear them talking to them They're just like most of them are just they know they're they're pushing the boundaries of everything that is death-defying And they're willing to die to win like so I feel like they have that Reminds me of when Justin went in the what was the jet that is called the Yes, it reminds me of that when he came back and told us about the G's and stuff Yeah, and I'm like, how do they how do they kind of this all the time? Yeah, they know what they're doing Yeah, could you imagine being under pressure you're getting fired at and you're doing this crazy shit in this jet And your brain is coming out of your ears. How do you even know different kind of human? Yeah, for sure It was like my my little taste of what you know, like crazy people actually do all the time And if you guys have ever I so I've like my uncle used to race go-karts when we were kids And I was talking Katrina this I was like me just brought up all these memories because a lot of these guys That's how these kids get into this they start them really early like you don't all sudden like at 30 years old Like I'm gonna try driving a formula one car You know I'm saying like you've progressed as a kid You drive on a dirt track. You have like the figure eight savior gone to those Yeah, so my uncle used to do this and so we he had this like like was a kid I thought it was unbelievably fast. It probably went 60 miles an hour But 60 miles an hour, you know when you're a quarter of the other ground it feels like you're going 200 miles an hour So imagine those things push 200 miles an hour I can't imagine and I'm sure you've all been in a very fast car Being in a fast car that's sitting off the ground a foot to two feet is totally different feeling than then hovering on the ground I was in years ago. I had a buddy who got he had a Toyota Supra I remember the twin turbo Supra from the 90s or whatever early 2000s and he souped it up like crazy And he's like let's go for a ride And that was the last time I ever got in a car with him He's 170 something miles an hour on the freeway we hit and that was terrifying You know day la viega like when I was I think I was 15 or 14 or 15 and they have they have a formula one car that has like a two-seater and they do like runs where they go on the Trash when yeah, so I did that my dad paid for it and I went on the track It was so freaky. Yeah, cuz they well I don't think they even turn it up like half of what you know The guys are racing like at the speeds that they're doing but when you go to approach a turn You're just like oh my god You think you're gonna totally like flip and spin out and all of a sudden it just grabs like it's on rail and then he and then he Accelerates through it. Yeah, and you're like, ah It's it doesn't make sense. You got to do one of those physics down. You got to do one of those. Yeah, I did that Oh, no way a long where where is that at? So yeah day la viega. Where's it? No, where is that? What Monterey? Oh my direction. No kidding. I didn't know that. Yeah, so it'd be fun as shit. Nah Thank you. Really dude. I get carsick if I if I don't sit in the front seat That's true. If I sit in the back and you're driving the speed limit. I'm like That's true. That's you put me in one of those cars. It's gonna be yeah We see the car shows are there's there's like all these car shows there And so like they had one of those is like the you know the feature of like something cool to do and like Yeah, we my dad and I went to a lot of the drag races and like at Sears Point and all that That's awesome. Yeah, you guys want to hear some hilarious? I guess this is a hilarious promotion people I don't know. I'm sure a lot of people our audience will get the irony of this But crispy cream you guys know crispy cream, of course by the way you guys like crispy cream I never understood the excitement. I did like everybody in Chicago went gaga for it Like it was I remember telling the story like so the worst donut my yeah So they're they actually throw a lot of it away because they just keep the fresh stuff And so my friend knew this and like would we be driving on the freeway? 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It's literally one of the number one That was the soda remember I brought the soda thing when they were doing the whole the getting the test done And Pepsi was like sponsoring it and stuff like that. I was like, that's my problem That's like one step, but it's just like anything else. I don't think that. Oh, no, I got that. I'm good It's back to the point. It's back to the point I brought up the other day with my client that I told you is just like you're going the wrong direction Adam by trying to You know follow the fitness trend like where the money is at is the people that are getting obese Yeah, and so the truth is you know, that's smart marketing on crispy. That's why our next promotion Let everybody know right now if you get a maps program, we'll send you a free doughnut Just dance. I'm sure some people got excited Fitness did it you know I'm saying they were they were smart with the same thing, dude They can't do it though right now. You guys know that right? What is it COVID? Yeah, fitness now doesn't have any free pizza. I think their memberships dropped 20% You guys want to hear something else that's ridiculous. Yeah, so there was a call I just read the story and apparently this is happening All over California right now this couple back in January of 2020 bought a brand new house in I think it was Riverside Put half a million dollars down on this house. So it must be a massive beautiful house buys the house everything closes the Mom the there the California passes the law that you can't evict anybody because of COVID or whatever So the owner the previous owner who collected their money refused to leave the house So for one year They own this fucking house and the guy who took their money is still there and nobody can help them what? They went to the police the sheriff and the sheriff's like you know if you were in Arizona We'd be able to get them out, but yeah, there's nothing we could do. It's in California So the guy took the money. I've heard a bunch of horror stories And he's staying there. You got to get a guy. Yeah, dude like under undercover. This is when weird shit happens You know I'm saying this is when you like you know that that is not gonna stand No, could you imagine you give someone half a million dollars to buy his house? Yeah, he's a I'm not gonna leave make me leave Make me leave. Oh, I'm protected. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, that's when you don't know what you do. Yeah, tell your tell my cousin Vito Yeah, then he gets to keep your money you go to jail and he gets the house I know you know you're in a are you right hand or left-handed? Why are you wondering? Oh, no? No, I just want to know real quick You're right or left-handed you like your thumbs. I can't believe that can you believe that so apparently it's happening all over the place No, that's maddening. No, I've told you I heard some stories of so I have a Katrina's friend her her husband rents a couple properties and they had somebody they couldn't evict like that and They finally got somebody out and then they actually Somebody else came in and squatted so they finally they went through this battle for a while Somebody else comes in squats goes out furnishes the place And the cops show up and they're like this is all my furniture This is my house like and they're like we and then it cops tell them we can't do anything Wow Yeah, that's it. So I have what the fuck I have a family member who has a place in Tahoe and the guy stopped paying rent Couldn't get couldn't kick the guy out and Not only did the guy not pay rent, but then he sold the furniture in there, which was my family members furniture Sold it all yeah Now he says he got rid of it because the dog did something to it But anyway, they finally got him out took him a year and a half to get the guy out And they go in there and the place is trashed and his furniture and appliances are gone So he's like well, I do dude. No way I would literally just like start living in there with them I think they're like a living hell Yeah, I get rid of you either Exactly get rid of me Justin right now to the robe with no underwear Drinking coffee the morning like this. Oh wake up. Just just fucking look at looking at him every morning take a shit in a pot Let's just be the most obnoxious human being ever then it's just a game of attrition. It is see who could be the most I see that snapchat big acquisition they just bought this company can't leave the name of it snatch chat No Anyways, I subscribed to that. I was I was reading I you know, I just I'm we're not on snapchat I don't none of us are right, so I think it's the demographic is 14 to 24 right, but it's still growing. They have 265 million visits really a day. I didn't even know it was still doing well I thought they were gone. It is still rapidly growing Oh, and and 255 million visits the average person opens it up and checks it 30 times a day So they're they they partnered with this company that does like analytics for like Patagonia and a bunch of these other big brands And they're really making a big push on the the advertising side So huge I bought some of the stock this morning. It's the reason why I'm so do you think a company will buy them like Instagram like They already said no they they they were offered someone offered to buy them a while back Okay, so so I'm gonna sound like a funny duddy, but so snap snapchat explain that to me you go on there It's no different than Instagram's stories right now, so it's in the Instagram stories was the Answer to it is the whole site, but here's here's why I thought it was you send a picture someone disappears after they look at Yeah, it does it too. So does Instagram has the same feature. Yeah. Yes, they have the same feature Instagram has all the same stuff basically right and the they were the first one to do the filters They were the first one to do the disappearing stuff. All right, but here's why it's still of great value and why I bought stock is They they own the 14 to 24 year olds and it's not it's not a play today It's a play for tomorrow as long as they stay there Well, yeah I mean the idea is if you continue to evolve the app and if and provide Value and bring that audience along and bring that audience along that you will be able to you got a 265 million people checking in on your your app every single day That's a lot of eyes on you see I thought they all moved over to tick tock for some reason I felt like that same Demographic was like, okay, this is like where everybody's gonna hang out now Well, tick tock's a little bit different right tick tock gets more of the the dance Dance people right the people that are trying to do all the the funny Yeah, yeah, when I see listen to a bunch of old funny Macarena Honestly, dude, tell me it's not literally like the Macarena social network where you See 40 year olds on tick tock I know doing their thing the nurses Yeah, yeah, or they're like, you know, 40 year old fitness person or health person. Hey Dude, that's the most embarrassing, you know, I feel so I blame Gary Gary V is so influential in our space everybody's space right now. He says so yes if he goes This is the next app, you know, you got enough of these 40 50 year olds that are like I need to do I see I asked myself constantly like would my kids be embarrassed by this Yes, then I probably have these as your bench. I don't always not do it But usually I won't do it. I think I'm gonna dance in front of Instagram like would my kids be embarrassed. Oh, yeah They'd be embarrassed. Yeah, I better not do it especially when it just doesn't to me It's a it's a it's a big leap For me for you know, okay, I let's say I did let's say I was real Let's pretend that for a minute that I was really good at dancing and singing and I could do these things right in the universe Unbelievable land right so I let's say I'm really good and I get millions of people view me the leap to selling the maps fitness programs Just just seems massive for me. How does that work? Yeah, so do you want big bicep, right? You want nice ass so these doctors and trainers that are doing it. It's just like, you know And I don't I don't see that Translating very well, you know, I just did and maybe I'm maybe I'm just too old to understand and there's some kids Entertainment, I mean, I really don't see any other value lots of views and eyes doesn't necessarily mean yeah Well, and that's why and so that's part of why I heard that why so many people are drawn to it It's because it's easier to get more attention Yeah, but that doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything if it doesn't turn into no, I agree with you In fact attention without my opinion. I'm a surgeon. I can do the word Getting lots of attention without it converting to me as a nightmare. You're famous for no reason now You're finna have to deal with the bullshit of that. Yeah, but you're not making any money off of it Yeah, speaking of social media. I hate to say it, but we predicted something a while ago What's that for the listeners who've been listening? We called it so Trump announced that or they said that he's gonna create his own social media Company, I mean, that's a course and I mean we called that off You know all all platforms. We think he's and not only that but he's been saying fake news for such a long time Right, it's this he's essentially setting himself up for a guaranteed. I'm the least on the least proud about news I'm the least proud of this seems obvious. Yeah to me. It's very like you said Fake news forever that it's I mean it's ingrained. I mean it's become people's lexicon now Yeah, I mean how many people even just joking around with friends. They're yeah, oh, that's fake news You know I'm saying like he's just look out You know, I feel like he even ran for president just out of spite, you know because like like people told me couldn't do it Well, we I mean we talked off air about that like way before he even became president and he was just running a lot of us We're like dude, this is just he's a businessman. This is just a play to build a business after this I there was no doubt in my mind that cuz you could pivot so many different ways Anybody could right if you become president typically when people become president afterwards That's when they make all their money way more money, right speaking engagements or appearances or whatever But a media company makes perfect sense. He's been saying fake news forever He got kicked off all media platforms He's got a huge base, right of people that will want to follow him And then he's got a huge amount of people that don't like him, but can't kick their eyes off of him Yeah, so his own media network is like it's that's a guaranteed win, you know So did you guys I watched this documentary over the weekend? It was really fascinating. I'm not very familiar with the art world I know like I don't know if you guys have ever been auctions and like bought like yourself like an art piece or how that all works Yeah, so this I think this documentary is called made you look But I watched it. Yeah, I just went over it was really fascinating like how all of these people got totally hoodwinked They got totally scammed by a few a few people that I mean You find out later and this is kind of like spoiler alert But you know this this Chinese guy was basically able to copy a lot of really famous artists Like Paul look in Rothko and mother. Well, I think was the the main three But was able to literally copy their style and they'd find old canvases and then he would paint Like what was supposed to be like a new undiscovered painting that they painted That they found they have this whole backstory for it and everything so like I was super fascinated by one Did you do you believe that she was in on at the dealer? Yes? Oh, you do I do. Oh, wow I thought she was in because dealers make a cut. Well, yeah, I mean dude look at her still She's still operating a business. I know that's fascinating to me rich. I'm like what I was also really You know, I was really fascinated also by the in China. I guess this is this is a common practice It's actually not like fraud and a bad thing like there's like a lot of other artists that they actually They try to mimic somebody else and the better you like here here in them here in America It's more popular to like create something new and different. Yeah, where there it was like Proving it you know, you're a very skilled artist is the ability to study all these different artists And actually I can see that as was form of flattery, but they were signing the back like they were the artist Oh, yeah, I'm not defending this motherfucker at all. I'm just saying like that's that's a clear and definitive difference That's that's you know intent to you know pass this off and get money. He got away with it, too He flew back to he got his money. He was gone. Yeah. Well, he didn't he didn't get hardly any money at all No, that's the fucked up part. Yeah, they were they're starting his talent Yeah, the fuck and that's where I don't feel bad that he got away with all this because he's like this old old Chinese guy and he was just like he loved painting. You could tell he was very talented He was making a little bit of money, but he was not making these guys It was real art like people were just stunned at these You know paintings and they were like willing to pay us money for it So it had value it just was that it was presented as these famous artists You guys did you guys remember years ago? There was a woman who worked in a museum and she was restoring do you guys hear about this? She was restoring like an piece of artwork that was like valued out of what and she was cleaning it And apparently she like accidentally wiped some of the face off of the painting And then she and then she went to fix it. Have you guys seen this? No, maybe Doug can find it It's the it's the worst restoration. You've ever seen what it's like. It's like a child Drew a face on a stick figure. Yes. You smear the Mona Lisa that you come out there I hope Doug could find this because and you can say I didn't I did not know I don't know Maybe look a woman messed up a classic painting with restoration or something like that It was it was this one went this went on for what was it a decade or two? Yeah, so that was the interesting part too is like it you know It would have been a real red flag if all of a sudden you get like 10 20 new Undiscovered art pieces all in the market at once they dripped them in like one or two a year So it was like relatively. Oh shit. Oh, yeah Do you show up to work after that? What have you done Is that a joke Doug? No, it's real amateur restoration botches Jesus paintings Toddler like you know how to stab that looks like I did it. Yeah Well, that is that is so classic or I'm so I'm so glad you found that Yeah, I was years ago and then there were a bunch of memes that were That's the worst thing I've ever seen. I mean, it's not even close. Yeah, you imagine you're the museum director You show up to work like hey, did you finish that? It is so bad that I feel like you could give me a blank canvas And I could get closer It looks like that you know the gray one that all the memes are about now like it. I don't know for yeah It's a classic pain. I know just Yeah That's hilarious. No details in the face Adam. I wanted to ask you something Sorry to take a left term like that, but I know you were using Organifies probiotic the old one. Yeah, what do you think of the of the the balance? I've only tried it like one time here And I haven't used it the same way that I use the other the other probiotic. Is it the same is it or is it more? It's better. It's better. It's much better So this not only has the probiotic, but it's got the prebiotics in there So it also provides you with the things that feed the bacteria that's in this right here It's in a packet. So you just pour in your face drink some water. Really? Yep. I'm so mad that it's so guilty The thing I did right here So I gotta admit it now you're bringing up probiotic because I was actually looking for one in my pantry And I didn't have one and I you know, I'm out of the their original one So I used to love their original one And I what I've trained myself to do is that if I have something that I know that would compromise my gut I right away go over and have a couple of those pills and it totally mitigates how bad it is So I had this late night craving and I by the way, I justify it like this So I you know, I washed three cars. I walk I took 10,000 I washed three cars this weekend. I lifted. I did all this stuff. So I'm like I deserve some ice cream It's been a while It's like 9 at 9 30 at night Nothing is open except for Paskin Robbins and I'm like I'm not a Paskin Robbins fan at all and they had they have this thing called a polar pie and So I order it and it's it's literally like a like a giant chocolate chip cookie with like cookie dough ice cream How big was it like the whole thing well, you can't buy a slice you got to buy the whole I remember one time I don't remember where we went No, hold on. I don't remember where we went but we went somewhere and we were spent it was made anywhere when we were in Sacramento there you go we were gonna stay for like three four days creating a new program or whatever filming some of it and We always go to grocery store because we get Airbnb so we buy food for the house or whatever and Everybody kind of divides up so we can get the food that we want or whatever and we're all in line waiting waiting Where's Adam was I don't know and Adam comes around the corner and he's holding a full ice cream cake Like a whole cake. I'm gonna crush this and I'm like, I don't I know and I'm like, I don't like I don't need I can't eat ice cream. I don't want to be like the same for nobody else is mine He tries to pull me in Yeah, you're right I started setting them up with the quit. It was the last time you had something like this or tried this You like that's been a while. Oh by the way, I grabbed something. He's like a gazelle. Yeah Hey, I'll approach. Yeah, so I'm making a lot of sense. I order this thing and Katrina comes down She goes what the fuck is in the freezer? It's called a polar pizza. Yeah polar pizza. What did I say a polar pie? Oh polar pizza Yeah, yeah, it's a it's all right. So how bad was the diarrhea? I you know, it was not as bad as I thought but my stomach was messed up like I mean I definitely I woke up this morning feeling bloated. I definitely didn't feel good going to bed and I had a very small piece I knew better. I was like, I can't crush this whole thing. I'm gonna have a little piece Courtney made Ethan a bunch of peanut butter cookies with like the Reese's Cup like inside it. I was like, oh my god Quite a few of those but it was funny because so it was his birthday this weekend and so we were trying to like do stuff and had one of his friends over and whatnot and Then we went to see his cousins yesterday and he gets these gifts and You know, he gets his gifts every time he's now they give him a card for robe roblox And and so he gets so excited about this to buy and basically upgrade his character I'm like, this isn't even a real thing, you know I'm the asshole that got him like, you know a basketball hoop and I'm all excited, you know He's not excited about it. He's more excited about putting a new outfit on his stupid character They're not giving him real money. They're giving roblox roblox money. What was it? I saw I watched last night I watched I was just I just got these new speakers I was telling you guys off-air and I wanted to watch like a good movie that was like newer It had some good sound effects and shit and I so I just fell across player one haven't watched I get Oh, I really think that movie is I love that. They did a good job They did a great. I mean, you know, we got like 70 something percent ruby like it's not like how That's a great movie that movie and I think it's accurate and they did such a good job with that movie It almost harks back to like like the goonies or that kind of adventure with friends and stuff They did such a good job such a good job with it But I mean that that the whole thing is about this idea if you were ever they said at the whole beginning Intros like how they got here. Yeah, it's 20 40 something or what like that and like how it got there How reality is no longer nobody wants to be in reality. It sucks. It's overpopulated. It's not happening. Yeah We were talking earlier like about that painting that sold for how much money is an NFT or whatever It's called non fungible fungible token And so that would like I guess that would qualify as like one of those like an NFT for Roblox money money Within the game. That's actually has that's what an NFT is. Yeah, it's backed by it's like a certificate Now it's it's it's it's on blockchain blockchain. So you can't it's a very hard Yes, so that's the thing Okay, so that art that you brought up that that was considered an NFT Yes, and what what makes it like because we are joking about someone would just screenshot it or copy it And they would have the art you can't do that because it's a done on block. I think you can screenshot it So screen shot it Yeah, I think it degrades its quality somehow and you can always prove that you have the original because of blockchain Yeah, that's the thing so if you did a screenshot and someone want to buy it off you they'd be like all right Show me the proof and you don't have the blockchain or whatever. That's my understanding. Yeah, it's it's still confusing But that was I tried to like, you know, read up a little bit on it and it was just like, okay I guess so it's just basically these digital assets That you acquire and they're they're you know trying to figure out This is gonna be like the next thing because we're all gonna be in that virtual world or an augmented world or whatever And so it's like a whole new landscape for opportunity to like maybe I'll grab some yeah I don't know. I don't know what the hell to grab though It's all new and then how do you know he's gonna be whoever it is doing it is gonna be like a like a the Picasso of NFTs Like how do you know it's just something to be like take a chance? Well, I would imagine that current artists with a lot of value would go there first, right? So you're already making paintings and stuff that people want So then you create a one of those and then it's already got value Maybe Doug can do some homework on this. Maybe we should throw a couple bucks at it I feel like it's I mean if we all agree it's going this direction, right? None of us believe I don't want I don't believe that Blockchain or bitcoins going away. I've been saying that's a lot. I don't know India banned it. You guys see that Oh, really India banned Bitcoin like like big-time band it if if government's banned Bitcoin and other Blockchain currencies it will be relegated to the black mark forever But it ain't gonna be as valuable as it is now. Yeah, okay I agree with that, but I mean I still stand by what I said, which is it's it's open the the floodgates sure It'll exist, but it ain't gonna be valuable like it is now unless all money collapses Well, that's a lot of people and then also you have to I mean Do we even know how big the the true black market is that we speculate on it all time But wow, how does it compare to like the freaking GDP? I mean, is it freaking are we like? 10x 100x you're counting the whole you know, it's got to be smaller. It has to be you think so Yeah, I don't think so really. Yeah, well black market includes a lot of crazy shit That's what I'm saying. It's a lot of stuff on the black market I would think that it rivals like I think it would rival our entire economy That's how big I think the black market is and if it's that big and it ends up and blockchain ends up only or Bitcoin Only ends up supporting that side It's is it still big enough that even where it's valued ridiculous. There are a lot of people By drugs and guns nukes like what are you gonna do if you just have Bitcoin well people in the black market You can't buy anything in a real market, right? So but at what my my argument is that that market is as big or bigger What's it? What do you put in it? It puts the global black market at 20% of global GDP? Wow? 1.6 trillion and here's the thing. That's what we can that's what we can guesstimate, right? How much how much shit? I mean how how far off could that be? Yeah, that could be way I know that could be way off. Definitely still risky Well, you like that whole silk road thing like they shut that down and then you know They took basically like two billion worth of Bitcoin from them. I still think that the Bitcoin was invented by the CIA I think they're watching everybody. Yeah, and they're just a little by little they pluck people I mean, it's yeah, but you get away with stuff for a while. Yeah, they're gonna monitor. Nobody knows who created it There's like a like a theory. I thought there's like a theory of like 12 or 15 people That's what I'm saying. It's such a mystery. It sounds very CIA to me You know what I mean? Sounds very weird. Have you guys tried? I'm transitioning here the It's the waffle and maple flavor. No, but you know what I did, you know what I did By the way, I wouldn't have had the and this is the one thing I've definitely learned about myself Is that if I have magic spoon in my pantry? I won't make that Baskin Robbins choice. Oh, so so you wouldn't have got the pizza Yeah, because what happens is that you know, I smoke a little weed. I'm watching a good new movie Or I'm listening. I'm all into I'm into the where I'm at right and it's like, you know, it would be really Feeling a little irritable or whatever Typically No, I'm actually in a very good mood, you know I'm saying I'm hi I'm watching a great movie everything's I feel like I'm at the theater in my own house, right? I'm like what I need right now some treats and Magic treats and magic spoon normally Bro, I wish I could I just picture that are you wearing it's like are you wearing like slippers? Like what are you doing? I'm in baggy sweats and a t-shirt. I'm comfortable. Yeah, I'm not in a dad room I gotta get one of those with your big ol ice cream. Yeah, my big-ass bowl like this, right? So no, so anyways back to Justin's transition to our commercial here I was I would normally eat the magic spoon because it gives me that that if I have like a craving suite I can say I can discipline myself to go. Okay, Adam You don't need a bowl of ice cream. You can have a bowl that and it satisfies me But I was out it helped me because the the kids and That were staying over for Ethan's birthday like in the morning You know Courtney made them waffles and everything Because I used to love waffles dude waffles was my jam as a kid like my mom would make them There was a very like she'd make them overnight So it was like the the Belgian style really anyways really good So all those smells and so I had a bowl of it and it actually was I mean it was really good Like I I didn't like the cookies and cream one quite as much But the the maple waffle one it did taste like I don't know like a honey crisp slash like maple Waffles I'm waiting for the first person to Screenshot like a you know fried chicken with the cereal Oh, yeah, yeah, chicken and waffles. Yeah, somebody will try the way. Oh, they're so good great combination I know it's weird. I still haven't done it. It's good. Everybody when I live in Chicago We went we went and did that one night. It was really good. You gotta go to Roscoe's. Yeah. Yeah Hey real quick before we get to the questions You're about to hear us answer some fitness questions one of them is how to work through low back pain In fact, we have a free guide that helps you deal with low back pain You can find it at mind pump free comm by the way There's lots of other guides there as well head over there download all of them or one of them Whatever you want read them great information. All right. Enjoy the rest of the podcast First question is from cold pepper Eric. Are there any benefits to following a squat every day program? So do you guys remember when this that became popular? It's a squat every day program We address we actually address this exact question. Well, it's been a while now It's been a long time. Yeah, but do you guys remember when it became a thing on the internet? I do It was a while ago and I remember when I first saw this. So here's the thing I've changed my stance on it. Oh, well, so so here's the thing back in the day We were told in order to build muscle build strike. You're not allowed to do that, Adam Yeah We were told and this information was disseminated through bodybuilding magazines. We were told that Training a muscle group every day was a bad idea. You got to train it. You got to beat it up Let it rest recover so that it can grow God forbid you work a muscle when it's sore or god forbid you do the same thing, you know Two or three days in a row. That's terrible. It's going to cause you your body to eat away at muscle Well, I remember at this point in my career started realizing that frequency Was an amazing thing if I adjusted intensity if I could train body parts Quite frequently and although intense workouts send a louder muscle building signal Low intense workouts also send a muscle building signal not as loud, but it still sends one and If I do it right, I'll get a great central nervous system Response meaning my cns gets my muscles to fire and to get strong, especially if it's the same movement And it can actually facilitate recovery. So when I first saw this come out I remember I was talking to one of the trainers that worked for me And he's like, oh, this is so stupid People are gonna totally lose muscle and I said if they monitor if they modify the intensity People are gonna see some of the fastest gains they've ever seen in their entire life With squats and sure enough lots of people did lots of people did see incredible results With this style of program But you've got to monitor the intensity you can't hammer yourself with squats Every single day because that's a recipe for disaster. Well, I do think that there are there's a big percentage of people This is gonna be phenomenal for and then I think there's a big percentage of people This is a terrible idea for if you don't know how to modify your intensity very well This is a very dangerous idea It's and you'll get little to no benefits from it if you Approach every workout and with the idea that you're just gonna you know Squat and try and get as strong as you can every single workout lift as much as you can every single workout I think it's a it's a terrible idea in a recipe for potentially getting injured Now if you understand that the idea is that you're just supposed to be practicing squatting And that you're not supposed to be loading it like you're towards your max rep at all Um, I think it could be phenomenal. I mean, when was the last time so when was the last time somebody squatted 30 times in a year Right I would challenge there's very few people that have squatted 30 times in an entire year You got to be pretty consistent with your training and and lifting and squatting to do that So doing 30 squat 30 days of squatting in a row You're gonna see some some gains if you back off the intensity. Yeah, and and to that point of of Not paying attention to your overall mechanics and sort of like squatting in spite of what your body signals are kind of telling you Like there's gonna be people out there that are just gonna see a message like that And programming squats every day and they're just gonna be like it's just gonna work its way out like like things are just gonna start working their way out and uh, you know, I have a problem with that I I also too like to You know to change up instead of always being like the back loaded squat like I've seen people like So they'll do different variations of the squat. So they'll do like the bulgarian squat or they'll do like, you know Goblet squats or they'll do like multiple versions of squats and not just keep it always, you know The same type of a squat and so I I prefer, you know, if you're gonna do it to do something like that Where you get different stimulus. Yeah the the first uh people to really talk about frequency in this way in in structured studies Were the soviets, right the soviets Trained their olympic athletes who were so dominant in in olympic sports. It was incredible. They they won everything and they trained Frequently throughout the day let alone every day, but it was throughout the day But what they did is exactly what adam said is they practiced you're practicing the lift you're practicing the lift And when it comes to strength because strength is a skill as much as it's your muscles Growing and contracting harder. It's also a skill. So if you practice the same skill over and over again You'll get better and better and better at it now on the flip side of that Let's say when you squat let's say normally you squat once a week And every once in a while when you squat you feel it a little bit in your hip, right? But it's not a big deal. You're okay, but you feel a little bit in your hip If you squat every day, you're going to hurt your hip like that's that little bit you feel Now you're going to amplify it times seven in a week Right, you have to adjust and you're going to hurt yourself So you have to have a really good squat you have to have a really really good technique You have to practice it and you have to really modify your intensity But I will say that frequency is still the biggest secret in uh in fitness it especially in muscle building it really is You can train things very frequently your body adapts and you get tremendous gains from this and you look I tell you you you see this with blue collar workers, you know people who You know, uh, you haul, you know concrete or you know dig ditches or you know They're doing some stuff that if you went to go do even if you're fitting your work on the gym You'd be so sore the next day your forearms your shoulders But these guys and girls they feel nothing from doing it every single day and they've got incredible Capacity work capacity in those corresponding muscle groups. You also see this with gymnast Gymnasts don't lift any weights typically. They have incredibly muscular bodies They're they're training their bodies every single day. It's not like they're doing oh pummel horse once a week I can't practice more than that because my muscles are sore or whatever. No, they do that shit all the time And they build tremendous bodies people in prison. This is how they work out. They get a bit tremendous By so this is this is something that you can utilize But if you're not smart about it, you're gonna hurt yourself Well, it's definitely, you know, it's a recipe for for gaining strength and getting stronger is is, you know Practicing and adding that in consistently So that way your body recognizes you get better at it as an overall skill But but you still have to be conscious of the fact of repetitive stress Like if we've been doing this for a really long period of time Uh, you know, inevitably your bodies are start forming into these positions You're not expressing rotation. You're not expressing side to side movement This is all going to add up as pain and, you know potential injury down the road. Yeah, in fact I'm even thinking about experimenting with the routine myself where I train my whole body five days a week But I literally am going to do one exercise per body part anywhere between one to three sets per exercise And I'm obviously a listen to my body and train heavier on some days lighter on some days Just to see what what's going to happen every time I've experienced I've experimented with frequency in that way I get the fastest Gains in the short period of time I think you'll crush the only thing that you'll have is the same challenge that the people that have that do this Which is the ability to back off. Yep Because you will there's going to be I guarantee when you do that You're going to have a day when the music hits, right? You're feeling refreshed and good and you're going to want to let's stack another plate on there Or oh, let's do a little more. Let's do one more set I think that's when you do when you increase the frequency this high where you're doing it every single day Or like what you're talking about five days a week the hardest part is the your the psychological piece You're right because to give you an example of how much I would scale back It would be like, uh, let's say for me an intense set of squats is 10 reps with 315 so 315 pounds 10 reps Well, if I'm going to squat every day, I'm going to be around probably 225, uh for 10 reps So much much lighter, uh, still doing 10 reps and then I may have a day in there Where I put 315 on and do like four reps, right? So I'm never really going to that high level of intensity like undulating it Oh, oh, right. And I'm missing it, but I'm always keeping the intensity very moderate And fighting the urge, you're right because because what will happen is you'll be like, oh my gosh Feel so good. Oh my god. I mean we're strong. I feel like I'm getting strong You want to push it and then if you do so you got to take some time off now You can't train every day doing that Next question is from Cameron dart when cutting or bulking should your style of training change? This is a great question. I actually get asked this all the time It depends on if your goal is short term or if your goal is long term Long term Regardless if you're cutting or bulking your training if we're talking about resistance training Should be focused on building muscle because building muscle obviously benefits bulking But it also benefits cutting one of the challenges with cutting is Preserving muscle and maintaining metabolism that still remains fast. What that's one of the hardest challenges, right? Is how do I lose body fat without losing this hard-earned muscle because if you lose 10 pounds half of its fat half of its muscle You're just the smaller skinnier version of your old self same fat body fat percentage and everything You've actually gone nowhere. You've just lost muscle. So whether you're building or cutting Long term the goal should always be to build Muscle now if it's a short term goal If I say I got six weeks to get lean And I'm going to cut what I'm going to do with my workout is I'm going to because this is a short-term approach There's not a long-term approach But what I'm going to do my workout is I'm going to change my workout to burn a lot of calories So now I'm going to do super sets I might do a couple giant sets or a circuit here or there Throw in some hit style training because in the short term it burns more calories I'll burn more body fat still doing resistance training to preserve muscle But that's my short-term approach now approach now Why isn't that long term because if I do that long term then I still get those negative effects that I'll I'll get from cutting Which is I'll end up losing well I think so Because what what would you do if you were already training like that and then you go into a bulk? Let's say for example, you're following Um, you know maps aesthetic and you're in phase three which has got super sets and what you're talking about And then you and you are bulking right you say you're bulking all the way through maps aesthetic And then you've decided you're about to trans after maps aesthetic You're going to transition into this cut and you just came out of all these super sets right to me Whatever I and like there's no like wrong answer. I see the direction you're going right There's no and but there is there's no wrong answer to this like some people Love being in a calorie surplus when they're training one to five reps And some people love to be in a cut there because you preserve so much muscle I think there's benefits to going both ways personally Whenever I adjust my food like drastically we're deciding I'm going from a bulk to a cut I also like to switch up how I'm training whether that be the modality of it like going from like a very Anabasic maps anabolic to like a map strong type of a program or really manipulating the rep ranges like you just alluded to I just find that It takes a lot of different stimulus both nutritionally and Training wise to really see my body make big changes So I love to kind of play with all of that, but there's nothing to say I mean you could follow Let's just say you know one of the maps programs because we do all the phasing and undulating in there for you Just say you follow that along and you could be going into a cut bulk cut bulk and at different phases and it doesn't matter You know that's a good Yeah, it's basically trained in a way that's going to be appropriate for your body to build muscle Which can be super sets if that's not what you're doing It could also be heavy weight in you know low reps if that's not what you're doing right now Speaking to what you're saying adam personally I like to cut and I like to go heavy and have longer rest periods when I cut because I don't have as much energy right super sets and shit like that Yeah, like I like to be fed when I'm going to go and do a bunch of supers And I know that's counter to a lot of people think I agree with you on that But at the same time like it's it's also an ego thing because you know your low calorie And now you're trying to do these same lists that you would normally have like a lot more strength when you're well fed So you just have to like work through that psychologically But I do prefer to try and like do like, you know lower reps and go in that direction That's why there's no wrong answer here. I mean So long as it's appropriate resistance because maps aesthetic really was designed to to kind of Mimic how I got ready for a show and technically the last phase of maps aesthetic. I'm cutting That's the last four weeks going and that's where all the super set and crazy stuff is so And the the concept the idea for me is as I'm getting, you know, those last four to six weeks as I'm getting ready for a show Not only am I restricting calories, but I'm also moving more in my workout to create an even larger deficit to really see A dramatic change. So but your point is valid too. Like, you know, I totally agree with you Like it's nice When you are fed to be doing a lot of super setting and moving around and the palm. Yeah, so they The the answer for I think for everybody is to to play with this is this is what's so neat is that, you know Everybody listening right now. There's going to be a group of people that go. Oh, man I I need to be fed when I go one to five rep range I just feel amazing and I see great responses thing great then do that You know I'm saying that you can do either one I I think getting hung up on this because we do I get this a lot in my dm. This is actually one of my Hey, I'll get an exact They want like the perfect formula right to me. I'll get a dm that says, you know, hey, Adam I'm in phase two of maps performance. Should I cut her bulk? Yeah, should I cut her bulk or I'm about to transition into a bulk? What phase should I be in? It's like, you know, that doesn't matter You know I'm saying you should you should be going in and out of cutting cutting and bulking we I think we always talk about at least every four to six weeks You shouldn't be staying in one of them too too much longer than that anyways So it's not always going to line up perfect for a phase in the workout And I think it's a good thing for everyone to try both ways cutting in a in a Program that's strength based one time and then cutting one time in a hypertrophy or superset type of phase Next question is from Johnny Humber Our artificial sweeteners is bad for you as sugar and how do they affect blood sugar sugar, etc Ah the big this one's always a debate right always a big deal. I know Lane's head just exploded Yeah, no, Lane Norton and I have gone back and forth over this many many times Okay, so as far as blood sugar is concerned artificial sweeteners Don't seem to affect blood sugar and there are some studies that show that it may Effect the microbiome and how it responses to glucose and stuff, but those studies are not very good So I think we can safely say with current research Which there's a lot of it that that artificial sweeteners won't affect blood sugar. Okay, so that being said If all things being equal sugar versus artificial sweeteners you're in a you're eating an appropriate amount of calories You're everything else is healthy Doesn't make a big difference. Now. Here's why I like sugar better than artificial sweeteners For most people It's because of the behavioral effects that we can get from that we can develop From using artificial sweeteners. So let me explain what I mean, okay When you eat something with sugar if you're if you're somebody it's working on your nutrition And you're becoming Self-aware about the things you're eating. You're trying to you know eat in a healthier way Sugar has this natural Barrier known as calories, right? So if I'm watching my calories and my macros and I'm trying to lose weight And I'm like I want to have that soda I'm going to look at the soda and be like, okay. It's got you know, 200 calories x amount of grams of sugar I think I can only have one When I drink things or eat things with artificial sweeteners I've eliminated that barrier and it feels like Uh, I can have as much as I want because there's zero calories. There's no risk. There's no problems whatsoever I can drink 15 cans of this soda because it doesn't affect my macros or my calories at all The problem with that is yes from a calorie standpoint, that's true But from a behavioral standpoint, it's terrible because these things are very very sweet They change how you're still stuff stuff still happens in your body when you when you drink these things You're still perceiving sweetness. So your palate changes other foods foods start to taste more bland You start to develop this relationship of feeding whatever feeling you have whether stress anxiety or whatever with This sweet flavor and it's not a long-term approach and I'm going to say this right now I've worked with clients for a long time. I've never had anybody lose weight long-term successfully By having artificially sweetened uh substances over sugar It's never been a strategy I've seen to be successful. The only time I've seen it be a successful strategy Was with competitors who just can that's where I was going to interrupt you and go because I do see value with it on that and by the way, you were the one that got me to You know stop drinking diet sodas and the artificial sweetener stuff and replace it with like Drinks like to had sugar in it like a Hanson root beer for example was like my switch from diet coke And in exactly what happened is what you said is I knew that drink had like 135 or 150 calories And x I can't remember how many grams of sugar in it and because I know it had that It kept that at bay where I would be like, okay. I already had one today That's all I get where what I've always noticed about my behaviors with diet coax is once I allow it into the diet Oh, I have one, you know every other day and then it's one a day Then it's two a day that I'm gonna get up to three four in a day really really quickly If I'm not paying attention I can do that because you justified zero calorie and it promotes those behaviors I do see though Somebody who's competing and who is weighing and measuring and tracking everything That to me that was something that I love to that was like a treat But it was like, oh my god. I I can't have any calories. I'm out of calories today But boy, I'll go sip on a diet coke right now and that will will give me that kind of sweet feeling and feel like I'm getting a treat I used it like that a lot and I liked it for that But for the average person who is not tracking It just promotes the bad behaviors and it ends up you end up craving something else to go with that diet drink or that zero calorie food well, it's interesting because the You know the artificial sweeteners tend to really ramp up that that sweet reward So it's like even more powerfully sweet Which, you know throughout the day you're you're constantly thinking about where can I get my next sweet? Like it's it's something that your your body starts to really seek for for that same feeling and so Uh, you you behaviorally, uh, I'm a lot more drawn towards Providing that through maybe I'll have some cookies or maybe some things will sneak in my diet that Previously wouldn't have otherwise. Well, so to that point Justin That was another thing that I noticed during when I was competing So I've talked to the show before about I did a show One of a couple shows like this where I did all whole foods and I did no no artificial sweeteners Nothing like that And then I didn't have the show where I allowed like the quest bars and no diet drinks and stuff in there And one of the things that I noticed about when I was eating whole foods versus the artificial sweeteners was the taste of fruit And when I am when I'm allowing the diet coax and all these drinks and quest bars things that are all that utilize a lot of artificial sweeteners The taste of a strawberry or an apple is extremely bland When I eat nothing but whole foods now all of a sudden a strawberry a grape an apple taste It tastes like candy. It tastes sweet. It tastes incredibly sweet But when you're always pumping in those artificial sweeteners, then you go have natural sugar And fruit it ruins fruit. They're they're sweeter than sugar. In fact, I get and look I guarantee someone watching right now If you have lots of artificially sweetened sodas Let's say you have a lot of diet coax You probably find the taste of a regular coke to be bland and this I've talked to many people No, I prefer the taste of zero of coke zero because the sugar one doesn't taste as sweet to me. They're extremely sweet They're still in effect in the body Changes how you perceive foods and then look let's look at the studies The studies that are controlled and what I mean by controlled is they put people in a lab and they give them Everything measured out. So here's your food and that's it What does replacing sugar with artificial sweeteners cause them to lose weight? Yes, their calories drop But that never happens in real life in real life when they do studies on people living their lives When people cut out sugar Uh and replace it with artificial sweeteners. They never lose weight Almost no studies show people lose weight Except for when soup when things are super controlled. Don't they actually show they eat 500 more calories. That's what happens They replace it with other calories because it causes those behaviors happen. It is a terrible Long-term approach to weight loss. I've never in my life. Have I had success? Have you guys ever had success with the client? Hey replace all your sodas with artificial sweeteners? And it's it just doesn't work So so that's the thing about it that the promise with artificial sweeteners was People are going to lose weight. They get to get the sweetness and they're going to lose weight It's never worked. It's never worked. And so that's the problem Yeah, if everything's measured and you're measuring everything and you're pre-contest You already have dysfunctional eating anyway to buy and go throw throw some artificial sweeteners Well, you know because we're talking about behavior stuff right now, right? So when you if you're if you're tracking there, there's your accountability, right? You know, you have the accountability There's no mistake when you when you have those two diet cokes like and you're you weight You measure everything out. You're like, oh, I can't have anything else eat versus the person who's like Oh, well, I had zero calorie drinks today. So I can go have this dessert I can I should be okay, right? I can go ahead and have two three hundred calories here. They they're guessing They're going based off well sweetness or a change in flavor It overcomes palette fatigue and allows you to eat more. So Uh, in fact, there's I've talked about this before. Um, what's that show called man versus food? Yeah, the ice cream thing. Yeah, he was a huge there was a contest where I'd eat a kitchen sink full ice cream And he got like I don't know how far 70 of the way there potato chips in between Yeah, he started french fries french fries. He started gagging. He couldn't eat anymore So how did he get himself to eat more ice cream? He ate a big plate or he ordered like 3 000 calories of french fries Yeah, super salty french fries and and he had to eat more to eat more and what that did is that made his palette fatigue He overcame it was able to eat the ice cream. We all know this right you eat a big dinner It's Thanksgiving. You're oh my god. I'm so stuck. I can't eat another bite of turkey I'm a throw-up then they bring out something with a completely different flavor in pie Yeah, I can eat more all of a sudden. So here you are drinking More sweet than sugar artificial sweeteners are far sweeter than sugar You're drinking that while you're eating you're gonna eat more. That's what happens. It actually it hijacks the body What is that Doug? Is it is it 10x? What is it? What is it thousands? Is it? No, it's incredibly sweet Yeah, how much how much sweeter is artificial sweeteners than just go aspartame to sugar Yeah, you just you could just look that up. I know it's high very high And they put a tiny amount in there to try to make up for it, but it's still far sweeter You know how you can always tell too like so if you ever messed around with I don't know if you guys ever did sugar in your coffee or not, but if you do like regular sugar Yeah, you gotta add way more. Oh, yeah, then versus like sweet and low. It only takes like one or two packets and sweet And yeah, even that is too much right sweeten your coffee up like 200 times sweeter. Wow sucrose. Yeah Wow, that's a lot. There you go All right. Next question is from ali a kelly How do you address low back soreness after heavy deadlifts? Oh, okay. So if it's muscle soreness, uh, you you know, I say it's it's fair to assume That heavy deadlifts you're going to experience in appropriate level because if you overdo it, right? You don't want to get too sore but an appropriate amount of soreness in the muscles that support the spine Uh, the erector spinae muscles, which will be it's low. It'll be the low back It'll be up the middle of your back and it'll feel like muscle soreness It's the abdominals of the low back. Yeah, so that's that's okay. And that's normal If it's a bad kind of soreness, uh, if you're in pain, you can't move you're going too heavy Your form is is not good and I would work on Hip mobility ankle mobility is important too, but hip mobility seems to be More important for someone's deadlift and then their form a lot of people when they deadlift that they make the following mistake They lift their hips and then they lift the bar So it looks like it's like a two-stage lift and it becomes like a romanian deadlift with really heavy weight Really a deadlift is both a pushing and pulling movement think people we call it pulling But the reality is especially if you listen to some of the best deadlifters of all time like ed cone, for example They talk about you grab the bar You tense up and you're yes, you are pulling with the upper body But you're pushing with your legs like you're trying to push through the floor And it creates up this this much better technique that prevents you from overloading the low back I think i'm looking for my i'm asking my client some questions on this, right? So I want to know How much they feel in their glutes and their hamstrings if they they only feel soreness in their low back It's normally a form issue It's normally something that we can we can address and we can like we can model to your exact point And it's normally exactly what you said It's normally the hips are are rising early And they're just doing like this the back extension more than they are doing a you know driving the hips forward They're going into the lift with the they don't have the right intent You know set up in there in their mechanics and really like feeling that and I love that cue of like driving those Into the into the floor and that's what propels you up really like you're you're trying to engage your back So everything's braced so even like kind of pulling Feeling like you're you're bending the bar to to really engage you know your back and your lats and everything else Is great for that stabilization, but to stabilize and then drive with your legs You know is where I like to get to that point, but you know once you get a back soreness I mean really to to just like lightly go through I find that walking really helps too with that and in terms of like trying to You know get some active recovery going with that like some light like hip bridges and things like that some hip mobility But really I mean that's if it's a really bad soreness, you know that's something you really have to look into like adam said your technique Yeah, so you know Flat shoes or barefoot if your gym allows it because any rise in the heel throws your center of gravity forward a little bit And we'll make it more challenging to have good form. So flat shoes Get close to the bar Justin gave a great cue you want to you want to you want to turn on your lats You want to pull down a little bit bend the bar and then take this slack off the bar meaning Create a little upward pressure. Don't lift the bar, but get it so that it's tight Before you're ready to lift take a deep breath Hold your breath and then drive through the floor to your legs and lift with your upper body And you'll create a really really tight position You got to go through our our mind pump tv youtube channel too because we've got I mean we've got Jordan shallow that did some great videos on there. We got few experts We got Jordan sci-eth that did some really good videos on there Who we got coach Eugene Tao that did some great all gave a lot of different really cool tips on on deadlifting And I believe I believe coach Eugene Tao is the one that did address the low back issue As far as queuing and stuff and I saw a lot of people that commented like oh, wow, this really helped me out So cool. Check that out on the mind. That'll be in the in the show notes at mindpumppodcast.com Look, uh, mind pump is also on youtube so you can come watch the podcast if you like listening to it You can also find all of us on social media You can find Justin at mind pump Justin on instagram me at mind pump sal adam at mind pump adam and one more thing If you go to mind pump free calm You can check out and download a bunch of guides on fitness and they're all totally free totally free I do have this stream that at some point Modern medicine when they recommend you go exercise They say we want you to go do resistance strength Which by the way can be performed with your body Can be performed with bands of course you can use weights or machines by the way in the book I put workouts in there as well actually put programs in there