 Maia te mi несidamiu i Te Ikinu taia entrain skilled Raunang lemon Atoia Iam i kumeld heargo i i i i i i i i i I'll make the partnerships directorate, we've got our change directorate, business services directorate and operations directorate. The operations directorate, probably who you have to deal with there staff most often, such as Kevin and Andrew around due course registry and licensing and permitting and endorsements and things like that. So what I'll do is I'll just do a quick bit of a summary of some key stuff and then absolutely cover any questions or queries that you have. You're welcome to record it, you're welcome to share the recording and what I can't answer I'm sure the team will be able to cover off and if not we'll find the answer and share it, share effects through. So the final registry cameras are a result of the arms amendment act 2020 which came to the floor on June. There's a three year period for it to be made available which is Saturday week on 24 June 2023. One of the key questions that we get from the community is what about my privacy and data security? Obviously a really big question and an important view and important for us as well. So I'll cover that in several ways. From a technical build point of view because as you can appreciate we've had a whole lot of very capable, technical people working to build the registry is that it's been delivered to the government standards of privacy and information security. We do a whole lot of things called penetration testing which is effectively they bring an independent crowd to come in and try to hack it and speed all the relevant standards and got the sign of it. But in addition to that obviously all of our staff are cleared and vetted and only those and obviously standing rules and business processes within Te Tariwhariki and indeed police are such that people can only access information that they have to for a genuine work purpose. In addition to that we have assurance and quality assurance going over the top of that. So what that means is that there's general assurance processes and quality processes. The assurance is being assessed that on a periodic basis people would come and say look at what I've accessed, why I've accessed it, what I've done with the information and the like to make sure that it's all with them and the rules. From an endorsement holder point of view we've held your information for as long as there's been an endorsement holder. Who you are, where you live, all the guns that you've got because it's been sitting in our national intelligence application. So now we're just coming over into a different system. So there's a whole lot of layers in addition to the technical specs around the data and privacy security. In relation to the tech build we're delivering it in iterative chunks so the first one is Saturday week and that will enable licence holders to be able to come in, create their profile, register their firearms and carry on business as usual. I'll come back to some detail around that later. In the 12, 18, 24 month period after that we deliver some additional functionality within the registry and that will enable enhanced user experiences for people to be able to go in, move things around, transfer them to people in a simple way very much like you do with your bank account. Just briefly on bank accounts, a good analogy to draw with the data and privacy security we've got with the registry is the same as what you do with your online banking. So that's the same sort of typical security that's in place. In relation to electors specifically, as you're probably all aware we have what's called a national intelligence application. That system was never designed to actually hold the website, it was a couple of long. And what's happened is the way that we've recorded all your information in there like your guns and you didn't know your guns much better than I ever would. But to make models to remember other features and so on. The data setting over here in the registry is slightly different as just required by what's come out in regulations. So in regulations we need to put in the mate of the model, the action, the calibre, the type of firearm it is, whether it's a pistol or a restricted weapon, whatever it might be. Magazine and things like that. So it's actually not a tidy data fit. So in due course when you come to have to register the things that are in your position you will actually have to do that because in regulations it says the licence holder in position of the things has to do the registration so someone can't do it on your behalf. So we won't be lifting up the near information and bringing it over the registry. We need to do that. One of the things in relation to the registration process is a five year period for the registry to be fully populated by all licence holders. So during the five year period you can come in any time you'd like and undertake the registration process. It's easy for someone like myself. I've only got two 22s of home, pretty straightforward process. Maybe some of you have got quite large collections. There's obviously going to be quite a lot of work and I'll cover that in due course. But during the five year period there's a thing in regulations called activating circumstance. The activating circumstance means that when you as an individual licence holder or myself are going to undertake that activity there's then a time frame associated to how long you've now got to register all the farms in your position. Or arms items as well such as for the things you've seen so far. So those activating circumstances are things like applying for licence, applying for endorsement, permit import, permit to possess, changing your address and things like that. So when that activating circumstance takes place let's say in say 20 days time from now I apply for a new licence. I've then got a 30 day window to register the two 22s that I've got. There's two options for registration of the arms items that you have. The first and preferred option is an online option which is available 24 seven. It can be accessed through our website through my firearms in the registry tab there. The second option is an i800 call centre number and the likes of Andrew over here he runs one of the two centres that manages both those pieces of capability. The i800 numbers available Monday to Friday are eight to four. Sorry, eight thirty to four thirty. It's a Monday to Friday offering. But again the online is the preferred option. If you do ring the i800 number you can ask security questions to make sure you are where you are and the team will help you there. Now relation to the online option because it's available 24 seven there's increased flexibility with that and that's where I'd encourage you to go to do the registration. So what would happen is you'd go online if you don't already have a real-me profile you can just do the unverified real-me process because that's a requirement of government when people come in through that channel. What you do is you enter your phone number your mobile phone, you get pinged a unique identifier you then put that in. So in my case I'd go, why don't John McElrath put in my unique identifier and I'll upload the firearms that I have. So I'll put in some information about where I live we'll re-check that across what we've got in there and then load firearms. Or if I had no firearms or arms items I'd just have a declaration. I've got nothing to submit there and I carry on as a reasonable number of licence holders around the country probably going to have firearms at a particular point in time. Having registered those firearms in my case what can happen is I just carry on and do my normal bunny shooting whatever it is that I want to go and do with my arms items. The activating circumstances are one time only activity that I have to actually go and do the registration. I've got an ongoing obligation to make sure that the registry stays current from my perspective as a licence holder. Having done the registration while I get confirmation of registration I won't be able to see what I've registered. In order for you to see what you've registered that's our next delivery and also you need to be verified. One of the reasons you need to be verified is that the data and privacy security is critical, right? So what I will have to do I'll have to take my firearms licence, my driver licence or the passport, go to the police station and there will be a process there where I'll be given another, they'll verify my identity they'll check obviously the identification that I've provided, they'll check our system and then they'll give me a unique code. So when I come back I can log it on. At that point very much like your bank account I'll be able to go and look at what I've got and as we deliver further functionality and transfer of things. So as an example if John wanted to buy my RUGA 1022 and I want to sell it to him I grab his licence number I have him logged into my system I put in his licence number and say why don't that RUGA 1022 go to John and push it to John. The system on his phone or laptop whatever and go yes. Or you can bring up and do it via the 800 number. So there's a few moving parts there there's a whole lot of security features that we want to have in place. Particularly for yourselves as collectors you're going to have to appreciate that you know guns really well, right? And you've probably got some quite unique stuff. As Andrew and his colleague John Wellington stand up their registry teams we've got a whole lot of people who we're providing a whole lot of really good training for but only a limited number of them have a really detailed knowledge of all the farms. Technology will grow. But in the initial stages you're going to have to work with us as we populate the registry. What are we anticipating in the future and one of the things to make sure this is more likely to happen is we'll work with different community groups to understand the functionality needed to make the service offering a lot smoother than it has been in years gone by. So in the context of the registry in the long time we've done a lot of paper we've recently got the PDIF forms. I know they'll all be worse, they'll change. But there's been a lot of paper. We're not doing any paper process around the registration, right? Because we don't want to have my name, my address, all the guns that I've got and all this sort of stuff on a piece of paper floating around anywhere. So there is only the opening of another or the online option for registration and therefore then operating the registry thereafter. One of the advantages of online or a phone number if you choose to do so is availability. And obviously if someone can't use online then the PDIF number is available or people might be able to have a general coverage where they want to be. We certainly recognise that there's so much connected around pimps and poor, pimps to possession and stuff like that. And there's some really great technical offerings that will come and later are the lessons that will be streamlined processes. So you don't necessarily have to go down to Keven's office to do things on paper as you do now to get a permit to possess Thompson's submachine gun from whoever it is in your cohort that wants to sell it. So I think there's going to be some really great opportunities there. While we're the regulator and we are, we do provide a service and we probably would all recognise that services in past years are really important. There's a whole lot of services behind that legislation, funding, understanding all those sorts of things. We've certainly got the funding, we've certainly got a lot more staff on board and coming on board and upskilling. And so as time goes on I'm really confident things will really improve. A quick example of that would be 80 months ago we had nearly 10,000 licence applications in the pipeline and it was a success of 120 days old waiting to go through the licence as of today that backlog is totally removed and gone and 80% of licence applications in the pipeline are dealt with in under 90 days. So it's a really encouraging effect around the changes that have been able to be made across the regulatory system. So very briefly in the regulatory system so we remain part of police and that Commissioner of Police remains responsible for all things under the arms act. There's two key components of that. There's constipatory activity that happens over here and chases crooks with guns and over here to Tati Pariki where the branded and separated business unit that is responsible for the regulatory activity licensed and permitting if appropriate or evoking and stuff like that. We operate under a four year principle of engage, educate, encourage and if required to be able to take repatri enforcement. We're obviously and you've probably seen it over the years but very much a billboard fly as well so we bring it on to the UK. It's great to have the likes of, as an example of John Collector background, dealer background all these sorts of things that brings a whole lot of fresh knowledge and speaks the language that you would understand better than I about some of the detail around the firearms and so on. So I'll sit down shortly and take questions if I was to summarise it from a Collector point of view come the 24th of June this year so I don't know it was 12 9 or 10 days away carry on doing what you're doing right now until you have an activator of circumstance when you have an activator of circumstance you're going to have to register the things you've got in your position. Now recognising that you're a Collector cobalt and I've seen some pretty big collections throughout the country over the last couple of years and it's pretty clear to me in the 30 day window to register your things there's some people aren't going to be able to necessarily cobalt things in the 30 days in that scenario we've genuinely got a big collection in less space so we can look in there and we'll know whether you've got a big collection or not if you've made a genuine and reasonable effort to get the bulk of that collection into the Reg Street in the 30 days we'll give you an extension to get the rest of it in clearly if you haven't made a genuine effort and you're dragging the chain of it then there's a conversation to be had about get it in there what does that look like we want to work with you to get it in we want to make the Reg Street successful in most cases once you've engaged with the Reg Street the most of us are holders they probably won't need to touch you again in any meaningful way over to keep a change of dress updated advice we'll deal with the different things like that you know the interactions with the Reg Street I would really encourage you with the back of tonight's conversation to go and look at our website just go into a search engine, Google maybe Fire and Safety Authority or take it as a study there's a wealth of information there there'll be more information there from a Saturday week as well we've spent a lot of time in groups and we've got a comprehensive list of questions and answers in detail and stuff there I've never caught my hand in my heart so we're answering every question because that's always filled with danger and I'm sure the big question is out there and we've landed the questions we haven't got and we can update as we go forward it is a change for New Zealand that's moving into a full registry for all the things it's less of a change in context and we've had a higher level of security checking and we're talking about recording of things in years on by but the opportunity for you to hold it such as yourself is that later with technology delivery so we can improve the service of them anyway, thanks for letting me have an initial scale amount so we'll have questions and we'll think about it so what we're going to do is run through the questions that you've all submitted I'll read them out and Michael speak to them so the first question is for path rangers and conservation staff who use communal firearms that they would who is the principal that needs to register said firearms the person that stores the firearms or the council that owns them yep, so in context with DOC DOC are exempt from the registry until the Commissioner of Police on the CD of DOC agree that that activity will take place so initially DOC have set to go on site so if I talk in context of a regional council they would probably have some guns that are actually the possession sorry, the property of that regional council because they own and there aren't any of the boxes as an asset nonetheless they employ a licence holder that's going to take a pest control activity it's the licence holder that's in possession of the item that has the responsibility to register the item because the arms act does not recognise ownership that recognises possession omen so the businesses will have to come to the decisions about registration obviously they've got some over here it's about when that employee leaves transfer the registration to another employee that's remaining with the licence okay, I'm just going to ask for a show of hands to say that people understand what that means what you hand up if you do so it still doesn't necessarily have some who's in possession of their licence holder say they've got the premises of the council or stop to come on none of that are the individuals or employees obviously the organisation needs to have controls in place that only licence staff have access to the secure storage and make sure that those staff remain licence so they can use the online licence check to validate on the roll of the frequency around the licence probably in most cases that sort of systems and processes are in place it's my understanding I couldn't say it is everywhere but you know they've got high health and safety over here so they need to meet as well and if those things aren't in place we'll work with individual groups or organisations okay and this second question is to the second part if work firearms are registered to a particular person but are used by multiple users in a security audience for example what is the time frame given for the registered person to produce the firearm yep so there's provision in the act so if I move away from endorsed firearms because it doesn't apply yet but for standard non prohibited firearms in the work context or even in recreational environment there's a 30 day window where registry doesn't need to be updated so I borrow from John's 308 to go to deer hunting and he and I have both registered firearms we have I'm allowed to take it and he doesn't get about that registry I'm borrowing for more than 30 days then he needs to update the registry and this scenario John can update the registry on a lesser time frame if he chooses to do so but there is no requirement to do so if in that 30 day window period the John's contact of Waitatari Pradiki or Police and asked about the particular firearm and he'll say well I'll load it to Mike and here's Mike's detail I've just got an extra question that came to mind while you were talking Mike but perhaps Andrew can answer how long will the 0800 number run so I mean we've got an 0800 number set up for the registry for the registry yep as far as I know as long as the registry exists we'll have the 0800 number run but we're encouraging everybody to do it online so it'll be that's the easiest and simplest way of doing it and speedy as you can do it online OK the next question is what modification of a firearm constitutes a trigger event changing a scope for instance what is the modification modification would be changing the calibre perhaps having a re-serial numbered putting a new scope on or giving it a trigger done or something like that wouldn't that would be how long it would stay the gunsmith wouldn't be a trigger event so if it's at the gunsmith for less than 30 days then it's unlikely that it would be a trigger event but it's going to be longer than 30 days at the gunsmith that would end up being a trigger event if the gunsmith would have then taken possession of the firearm and had to take the firearm into the air or register against their name cool if someone's got one of these glasses it's got five different caliber of barrels so I'm going to have to choose one barrel one caliber to register in it because you've got to add one barrel on at one time and the sugar amount on the glasses isn't like a barrel, it's actually on the receiver OK so there's a requirement to register major parts in the registry so that doesn't include your scopes and suppressors and no spear triggers and stuff like that check every example but it's the receiver the upper and lower receiver the frame of the pistol immersion kit if it has a receiver part for it and what was ensuing on the part for it so there's just a few major parts and things like criminal magazines that go into the registry but if you've got a standard bold action hunting rifle that's actual magazine magazine sorry sorry for example five nights just the action OK next week sorry I didn't realise you don't have another question just thanks to the transferring ownership failure if you've got a gun don't do this I think it's got a vocation it took greater than 30 days can that be transferred automatically? you don't have to go through any you just register and put it on the license or I put it on the license so nobody else is involved there's always going to have to be license holder involvement so initially any transfer will be done after you do your initial registration if you're doing a transfer you'll have to ring Andrew's team on the I-800 number for them to do it until we deliver the next transfer functionality or the transfer functionality that enables you to do it online and at your own pace when's that due? we'll get next Saturday done first and we'll deliver the rest we'll deliver it as soon as we're at I-800 OK I'm going to move on how do I load my rifle in the register when every number and inscription on it is either in and here are some common ones you will have to ring the number your firearm with a serial number or mark so just pause the all new firearms come into New Zealand and have manufacturer's serial numbers and I get it you don't have all of those so John's being right if outside the collector world at the moment if you have something that we can't read so your normal numbers and English characters then you have to have that and there'll be a guide document released probably next week which will give you an update on how to select your own serial number and guidance on how to apply it to the firearm and the context of collectible items because we don't want to devalue it but we still need to mark it there are particular options that you'll be able to see what those couple of options are okay there are internal marking where it's less obvious it's still on a significant part of the firearms such as the action or in a limited number of potential cases some sort of tagging system but there'd have to be quite a few circumstances for the letter but the internal marking would be quite a sector worth of work yeah well let's try it so everything will be done on an individual basis on a case by case basis evaluating the story understanding why because if we have a blanket rule out there then if you have a blanket rule people will abuse it and if you have if it's done on an individual basis and you say not my book there's really really rare firearm here and we go yeah we understand there's a very rare firearm so let's take that into consideration who do you think is trying to do that by thumb or by line it's going to be impossible no so what'll happen is you'll phone it into the registry and then we'll report it as a task for us to deal with and then that'll go to an arms officer and we'll work through that process and then in the 30 days well what's supposed to mean better than that so yeah that'll be well within the 30 days of what we're abing in so we don't know what's going to lean on and if it goes beyond that we get to be practical because we don't know what's going to lean on and apply it on a case by case basis as they say but what could be one person to consider it to be theoretical in the government when other it's a pretty personal thing so if it goes to a million dollars then this guy will be a thousand so again we'll deal with it on a case by case basis okay I'm going to move on to people feel that that has answered the question about your firearms that have got Farsi Nepalese or any other markings on it just show of hands so we can see has that answered the question we're going to move on I'm going to give direct feedback to these guys sitting up here so that they can see how happy or not we are with the answers alright next question is what number do firearms owners use when they may be up to three numbers on the receiver and this I'm talking about is specifically in the case of old military rifles and we all know we're talking about say 303s or Mausas on that situation myself and this is on my 303s I've got more than zero numbers on it the one I'm going to choose to register with is the most prominent number on it on the action on the action there could be three on the action so you just pick one well I've got to choose one so I can either choose one or I could choose to face the other ones which I'm not going to do because the gun so I'm going to choose the most prominent number on it for me I just would wonder what happens when you go to transfer it and then the next person tries to use the other number and then the other thing and you know we have a bit of a week up there look we've gone through this we've had discussions about this we've bracket our brains in there's no simple solution to it at least we actually make people face the firearms by removing the other serial numbers and I don't think anyone in this room wants that to happen correct so we're trying to take a pragmatic approach are you using a secondary generating number in what respect well I track a lot of guns and I generate a number that sticks with that gun in that way you've got two ways of checking part isn't just a license plate it's more of a number so when you go oh I've got three guns and I've got another five but none of them have got x, y, 2, 1, 6 at this stage there's a unique of you sorry there's a unique of you so you can so yeah we're pretty confident that a duplicate isn't going to happen very often and then we'll then we'll have to oh we hope we hope once again out of a lot I've got about two million guns hope he was very addictive so again case by case basis make the option of the exercises to identify the pyra and there'll be ways that we can do that to stick markings and differentiate it so that's all we're trying to check we're just trying to identify the pyra okay so that's the answer to the question everybody understands stick your hand up if you know what's going on with multiple firearms and you're happy with that answer hoping and praying to respond going right on with your point there Andrew what description is to be used in the case of an owner not knowing the rifle made or model for example many sportarised military rifle owners may only know they have a 303 or a Mauser so that again what the plan is when we get to a case like that we'll take in the initial information that'll get stepped up into our arms officer's space and then they'll go back to the owner and we'll work through the process and try and identify one of the opportunities we have is we can seek a photograph from you so you can send it to someone who can help us with that or as Andrew said someone can come out and try to understand what it is okay so if you've got a sportarised Mauser that telescope put on you can't even read what's on the banner what happens then you just call it because of the arms officer so as a Mauser Collector I've identified as a Mauser 98 a Mauser 95 a Mauser 93 or so and it would be a Mauser 98 it would be a Mauser 95 supporter that would be sufficient does everyone feel happy with that if you feel happy stick up your hand cool excellent so this question directly affects a lot of us so in the example of three registered rifles that you have bought and then stripped to make one good one what is the procedure for changing the registration categories of the remaining two receivers so in other words you've taken three rifles one but one so you've got two left over receivers a receiver is an arms item receivers and actions have always been required to have if you're selling from a retail store they have to serial number do you understand that when you agree the requirement has to be something it has to be something so if it's just a clear action if it's a limited 700 action then that would be recorded as a Remington 700 the fact that it doesn't have a calibre or else attached to it will just have to be recorded when the register is but what happens if it's already registered as a Remington 700 308 and you've got a Remington 700 308 a Remington 700 223 and a Remington 700 I don't know 7mm 8 and you use those three rifles to build one and you have two left over receivers so those three rifles were previously registered and now you've got two left over receivers having it cope with that so you've got one rifle left over and you've got the two major parts so the two form of rifles so the two form of rifles would be decommissioned in one way in the system recognising though that they are replaced with the two major parts and then they can be put back into the rifle so once it's made once you've rebuilt it you know into whatever it is you've been built into then you just take one you want to contact the registry centre and say it's now no longer a major part it's actually a fully-cleared firearm and then they can do development update working with your own detail OK so this I've got to move on so does everyone feel happy with their answers to know what you're doing? Just one bit and now your manufacturing firearms and now you've got to pay your own by brand year for your manufacture unless you've forged the receiver yourself drill it out so assembly is not considered a manufacturer you wouldn't have to make that in this instance it's not OK everyone stick up your hand if they feel happy with that answer about changing assembling I've got 15 OK I think this has already been this question has already been answered how many categories are there for major parts in the register I believe Mike, can you correct me if I'm wrong, you've already said receiver upper, lower and caliber conversion kits as well as well as frame there's only got six different things if you're going to have to decide on a major part and PCCKs just look there caliber conversion kits I've got a collection of German drillings which quite often have inserts in the shot gun barrels are those caliber conversion kits do I have to individually register those? no because they're actually considered barrels in and of themselves and the barrel is in the major firearms part OK so I'm moving on to the next question sorry, go what's your question, you said upper and lower if those are mismatched numbers then you just pick one again yep, so upper and lower receivers have to be serialised with the same number but if again the collectors item will work on an individual basis what that might mean but if you can imagine the former AR-15 fleets out there they came with the lower receiver mark they would then have the same number on the upper receiver so they're an action action FALs numbers of positive firearms sure, and look there's just so many firearms out there there's going to be a whole lot of uniqueness we get it and we're happy to work with individuals around the unique things that you have and come to whatever relevant resolution is can you show me the first part of the firearm actually if the resident has a single firearm, what is the part of the firearm that we do with them? there's a number of lower receivers so it's a single firearm single firearm but because they come in an upper and lower receiver configuration they've got to have the same serial number can't be it's all just one number yep, so if you split them then you have to serialise the other one or you're saying they have to put a serial number on both parts we'll just treat this in two parts you have a firearm it's functional and it has an upper and lower receiver they have to have the same serial number what if they only have one? the second part is if you've got a major part which happens to be a receiver and a lower receiver or separately an upper receiver and they're just floating around as major parts then yes they need to be serialised and no they probably won't have the same serial number but when they come together to make a firearm they need to have one serial number what if the other doesn't have a serial number now they need to have one put on and it's the same so if it's an upper and lower receiver or a lower receiver so if it's an upper and lower receiver type firearm then it has to have the same serial number okay just to check I'm on play so that's the thing with the value of the guns now hang on if you're kidding if I collect all that criteria then we'll work with where the marking might be and all these sorts of things okay okay go no no no no no no no no now mais no no no no no no no no no no I suppose what we still want to keep going back to is what we're trying to achieve is we're trying to identify the borrower and that's... I don't know if I'm a borrower, but do I think I should have sent a tokyi number and a borrower number, everyone nearly wouldn't want a borrower. It's like a brand new one. Is that a low-receiving thing? Oh, I don't know, a brand new one. It's a start for personal purpose and it's got the legal system and that. I mean, you've already known how this works. Probably no one would break down if you're talking like an hour and a half. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. 19. widget 28 i iicket Rūpa meix研究wadku e i rauan modigoatiri しo wytnaret pани lane chi gaboklant. Piero wytnaret rauan. — ? Padaf, nai te menei te iwifrissia. Žaiga menei te sybu — o femeja ti'nd menei te iwi frissia — menei te iwifrissia. Te iwifrissia. Menei te iwifrissia. Menei te iwifrissia. Te iwifrissia. kawe Tuuna i felliga, kawe, kawe, kawe iau i i manelliu i daa. We'n maidu yli za'i mae i ni datu'n guziename, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe i maneliu i daa, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe. Te liniwau mae pisho ar-montabai, warahat pa jon cedu, i adimaika. Kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe Paika, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe, kawe i maneliu i daa. I'll comment briefly that there's an issue between the slide and the premises rather arbitrary between the procedures, but what I wanted to bring up, so when you register the calibre of the firearm in the register prep and you register the calibre conversion kits because obviously they can change the calibre prep, but you're saying if I put an insert in it which completely changes the calibre of the firearm, I don't need to register it or change the calibre of the firearm to register it? Yeah, essentially that is correct. Okay. Because the calibre conversion kits. Yeah. What's the point? The point is that that is the way the legislation has been written, and that's the way we have done it. Okay. Guys, we've got plenty to go through and I'm going to move on, alright? And this one's really important. If I dismantle my rifle for a repair or restoration project, how long do I have to change the registration category? In other words, if my rifle that I have bought and registered has a 308 and I think right, I'm going to do a project on it, how long do I have before I have to change the category and to say just a repair? So can I just get some clarity on that? So you're doing the project, what does that actually mean? Does that mean you've taken the barrel out of it? It may well be the barrel, it may well be doing a trigger group or whatever. But it's taken time, is what I'm saying. But it doesn't change the existence of the serial number on the receiver, does it? Correct. We don't need to know about it. Okay. Excellent. Don't need to know about it? Sorry. I've got to cover a lot of throughout the reaction. There's nothing in the dedactions. I'm not going to dispose of it. You can take it to the police station or you can take it to your local firearms dealer and ask if they want them or take it disposed of. And is that a trigger event? No. No? No. Or you could give them to Roll. That's right. Okay. Will checking someone's licence status using the police app cause a trigger event? No. Have you talked about going on my licence check? Yep. Excellent. Given that many collectors have many old parts, at what point does a receiver or a frame become non-registrable? I saw a really sad looking care gun about four weeks ago. It was going to take a lot of work, quite a bit of the need to go onto the registry because it's still actually a firearm. Again, it's a subjective assessment by us always to what degree of elapidation would be rendered no longer a thing of relevance. I think if you cut it in half, there would be one way to... Yeah. Well, yeah, but actually you're not allowed in this, in the activated firearm, like the machine gun in that. There's no such thing as a deactivated firearm. No, you're right. There's no such thing. But Johnson met sectioning it like a mountain on a wood. Section firearms are still registered items. They're sold at auctions all the time and they're registered. OK. I'm pretty sure that there's a case law that says that by the repair or replacement, so if it is like a rusty piece of crap that you would never be able to get done, it would not be certain to get one. Yep, so there's even provision in the air, I'm not sure about the case law, but yeah, it's anything that's with parts or repair, you can make it a gun, it is a gun. Yeah, so a relic, so a relic like something going up when you're doing... No, in the time you're doing it, when it was in the machine gun. But it's impossible to repair. You'd have to start from scratch. OK. You have to have a little bit of things. It's hard to say what the case is. OK, I'm really interested in this one. What provision has been made to allow the correction of mistakes when entering data? Can we go on to our own file to rectify our own entries? No. You know you can't, but you call us up and we'll work through it with you, and they'll do just what's on it. So, for example, when you put a zero, should we know if it's a ring? There's a count of you, your own stuff, and you know you made a mistake. At the point of mistakes, identifying as a genuine mistake will work it out at a certain point in time. That thing will have to be a thing, right? OK, so my next question following on to that is we're all fit and proper people, we're all looking to enter out data. I make a mistake. At what point do I become criminally liable for making that mistake? As your good angel said, if you've made a genuine mistake, or you don't have a number, we'll work through and make the right changes. I have 200 firearms. Well, you don't know till you know. It's like any mistake you don't know. My concern is that the mistake might be delivered. The fact is, you're fit and proper now, you're fit and proper a period of time later when mistakes happen. It's my understanding of things. Why will you take me particularly? I'll give you an example. I had an inspection recently. There was a firearm that was on my licence. I couldn't reduce it. But I had sold it. I had sold it at the arms fair. The paperwork was processed by a police member, and the police had lost the paperwork, but the person who was doing the inspector immediately accused me of disposing the firearm illegally. I was treated as a criminal from the get-go. Right. I'll take that face-down. You have the opportunity to reduce all the things in your angel of the registry as you're required to develop the regulations. We'll work with you if there's an agreement in that and or any other errors and records as we work through to get to a final position during the course of having a fully populated registry. Because the technology platform we're building will move away from the paper errors that we've had in the past. My next question is part of that. The NIA database already has some of my registered items on it. It has been incorrect in past inspections. When will the police data match the NIA database with my items on the register? Register. Our new database is not taking anything from there. Everything that goes in is brand new and clean. That's the whole purpose of it. That's all totally clean. We're not losing that there information and we can still refer to it. But from the 24th onwards everything that goes into that registry is clean as such. And it's clean because you're putting it in there and then we'll do a reconciliation against the NIA models. So what happens if they're out? You'll have a conversation about why is it out? Probably down at the police station. You want to give us there's a slight contradiction with the way it seems to be being applied because if I add all of my collection to the registry I then have to seek permission by proving who I am to then go back into the registry so I can view what I've done. Now, if I'm having to go through those groups yet again about being perfectly proper and who am I and where do I live and where's my collection it seems to be a massive doll-up on the fact that you're trying to give ownership to everybody in this room and the community, the wider community in New Zealand with their firearms I don't have permission you just said that the 0800 people will be the ones that have to correct the mistakes that I made on my collection if I was to make any by admitting that I made a mistake on a particular firearm because the serial number was transpired or it was wrong or the wrong one why would you not give the people in this room that you're going to vet and give that permission to by going through all of the security hooks that we'd have to go through so that your people can do that when you're actually putting your own firearms in the first place to populate your site. So we're not making you jump through the heaps again around for them properly because you currently have a license, you currently have a doorstep, doesn't change what we are asking is because we have heard clearly from the community that around the data security and privacy security and in order to shore that up so you can look at your things as we need you to come for police station as a once primary activity undertake the verification process and then you'll be able to land. But just by virtue of owning a firearms license with collector endorsements prohibited endorsements shouldn't that already be a vehicle to give me the kind of clearance that I already need without having to go to a police station with my past war which is currently not, I don't have one with my firearms license with any kind of form of ID Yep, one form of ID. What I'm trying to suggest is I've already done that and by virtue of being populating your registry or the registry that's going to play for firearms why don't we have to do that again? Because we want so you can go back and have a look at the registry you need to do. But I'm not able to go and do that until I've actually got that proof again of who I actually are and yet I've got one who just loaded all that information into the registry. I don't want to go around the circle so I'm going to end it there because this next question I need you to think about it carefully and give me a shy of hands so the next question is what provision has been made for an extension of time for collectors with large numbers of items who simply cannot complete the register within the 30-day time period. Now I know Mike has already touched upon this but I'm going to give him some real feedback here. How many people in this room feel that due to the size of their collection and the fact that they have word commitments or whatever else they will not be able to do the whole registry bit in 30 days? Can I have a shy of hands please? How many people if a shy of hands please, how many people have your own manual records either written down or on a computer or something of what you are what you are and in most cases would then include Jamaican model calibre and that sort of stuff or if it doesn't at least you've got it in your hand then it should be a pretty straightforward process. It's on paper. Other than the volume. It's on paper. It's on paper. How's that going to save me time? Because you don't have to go all the way up there just in front of you. Stuart. One of the two complicating events for collectors with large collections is that they might have Turkish collections with spassy conversions needed Cyrillic on Russian sort of things so there are lots of add-ons that might be back in the day could be OK, so now I'm going to ask a question. What's the real question? So you're aware of the 30-day requirement right? I've said that we've made a genuine and bulk effort to get most of it in you'll be given an extension recognising that on Saturday week we might have an activated circumstance on that day. In many cases it could be a second option on the second of July. OK, well if you buy something and it shows you're in a position and it's an active circumstance folks you're now aware of it and start checking. It probably doesn't work like that going to be silly. I want to know about the process. This is important. What process we do for an application for extra time? Mike's mentioned it, he said it's available, I've heard nothing about the process. So what would happen is Mike said I mean, the vast majority of your collection wouldn't be like that. The vast majority of your collection you should be able to enter quite comfortably and if we can see that you've made and the problem is you can't get it in because it's a vast area. Some little thing that we need to change. That's when you bring us up, we have that conversation and we see how we can... It's a conversation, it's not a process though. That's a scary thing. So Commissioner Officer please, such as Andrew can issue the extension and they'll be followed up as an email. OK, so I need one thing to be perfectly clear here. I've got a case of a collector who is sitting in this room at the moment who has a large collection who, it works very hard his items are over a thousand. He come to it in 30 days. Does he go and speak to you now and say I need to get my registers and have an activated circumstance the day after registration comes in? How does that work? I'd like to provide some clarity. When you have an activated circumstance you have an obligation to start the registration process. You know how many guns you've got. If you've got a large collection start doing some preparation now to get you further along the track. There is provision in the regulations for an extension. We are articulating that you've made a genuine attempt to get through the bulk of your audience. That's not someone like a thousand, a thousand things. 30 days certainly won't be enough. We want the registrar to be successful at one time only registration process. Once it's done, it's done. If we have to get an extension so that it's a successful and complete registration process we will give it to you. If you've got five things in your collection you'll be at very, highly unlikely to get an extension unless you have to be able to seize it 29 of those days or something like that. With respect, I don't think you understand because you said if you've got it all written down or if you've got it in a spreadsheet or something it's still a manual process line by line by line by line for a thousand items. Can I answer your question? So I'll be clear for two. So I had all my firearms that I had written down or insurance purposes. I've had a chance to play in the industry already because you'll probably see I'll work for a detailing group. It takes me roughly to enter one firearm detail once I've entered who I am. It takes me roughly two and a half minutes to enter. That's you. Have a look at who's here. There's guys here who don't even have computers so now you're going to have them sitting on the phone registering a thousand items. And you've got to remember you don't have any load on your system yet. Second you get load your system's going to slow down. So guys there are escalating circumstances there is a timing though there is the ability for an extension where it's appropriate there is the key message you need to take away because you don't necessarily need to like it. You do need to understand we will work with you on an individual basis as is relevant to you, angel holdings and the type of firearms. It's new for us all. We want you to be successful we want the registry to be successful. We are here tonight as part of a demonstration around that. Okay? We are not going to please everybody. I get it. Some of the antagonism at the moment is a little bit annoying. And you're not going to feel the same way. I get it. We are here to pass key information. Okay? Go. Is there a license for renewal? Yes it is. Okay. Moving on do people feel that they question about getting an extension if you've run out of time in 30 days? Do people feel that the question has been answered when you have an answer on the hands? Right. Thank you Andrew. Yep, that was a much better one. If after a 30 day period we realise we have inadvertently missed some items can we register them and will there be a penalty? The answer is yes you can and return down to the circumstance. So, is there a penalty? No because you're trying to do the right thing because you've found that you've got something else. However, I'll be a bit surprised if there was a long trail of things that keep getting found. Be careful. Every week meeting Andrew's team saying oh I found something else there's probably a conversation about you're secure, you'll fit a proper or something like that. You can have a box of parts that are completely useless that you've got to register. I just said. Okay. Moving on. What allowances are made for the significant percentage of firearms owners who may suffer from a disability? And we're talking not only deafness, blindness and lack of computer skills but we're talking dyslexia or dyscalcula and that may prevent them from reporting something accurately. So there's a massive opportunity in the cohort that you have here to support each other in certain circumstances where you're struggling with Andrew's team. Just one question. Andrew's team gets it wrong. We get prosecuted. I don't know where you take this. Because we're human, we're mistakes. There's going to be humans in Andrew's team. They're going to make mistakes. And it's on us to make sure. And we will work with you to make sure the register is right. We'll get to a point of agreement at a point in time. Okay, so the next question I think I'll move on. What steps have been undertaken to ensure that the foreign licence holder is not held responsible for NIA eras and any ongoing eras not of their making? Yep, so we've set to some of our records ideal and set probably other places and some of you may be not necessarily have the right records as well. However, we want the registry to be successful. We will work with you to make it successful. We will certainly do a reconciliation against the NIA holins in the scenario where there's something not there or whatever it might be we'll work with you about what might have happened to it. On a case-by-case basis, we'll figure it out. Can I just add to that? Back in the days when we got at MBC Saints and I had a lot of them, I had issues with some of my records. I went down, I sat down with my arms officer and we went through it. I sold it to this guy here and I did this for that work and my arms officer said, yeah that's my main phone call, my main phone call and we sorted it out. They haven't done a couple of occasions, right? Never once did I have an issue with my arms officers because I went in there, opened an artist and said, you know, this is the right record. And I don't see why that would change going forward. OK, cool. People feel that answer to the questions? Great. OK, the next question is, can a collector submit a written list of their collection in the correct format to the local arms office for registration within the 30 days? No. That's pretty clear? No. So recently we've set up two deliberate registry teams who are skilled in doing what they need to or develop the skill set they need to be successful in the registry. We need the arms office to be left alone carrying with the licensing and endorsement processes and stuff like that. OK, so there's deliberate workgroups doing deliberate activity. As soon as we divert one workgroup to another activity, something else slows down. Does that make sense? Yep. The people feel that answer to the question? Cool. No, I can see you. Get Andrews Tamarind. OK. What happens if I were to talk to me? I'm looking around this room. I see young faces, I see old faces. I'm sure you've got sons, daughters, nieces, nephews on that. Reach out. Get people to help you if you can't do it. What? I know I'm going to be helping another collector who will remain nameless in Wellington who's not very good on this stuff. I know I'm going to be helping him when he has to do this. Right? And it won't be that tricky. I know he's got over 100 firearms, but he has got them all written down. Good or bad. Well, I'm helping them. I'm helping them as part of Te Tari Pariki. I'm helping them as John Herbert. Right? So if I make an error, yeah, I'll make an error. But I'm not too worried about that because if I do make an error, it will be an honest mistake. Right? And if there is an honest mistake, it will be cleared up by the conversation. OK. I'm going to be able to correct the error when I'm going to go to Auckland to do this other hour. And I'm going to sell it. And I'll sell it when I have a day in the years for the office. Yeah. Not quite sure we're going to agree. Well, there's a whole description. It's quite thorough, right? It's terrible. But I've seen plenty of something, right? So, and when I'm trying to correct stuff that I have, you've got a a mosa nine millimetre. It turns out it's a loop, right? If someone's never in a road, you know, mosa instead of b-way, you know, you're just doing a loop on p-way, right? And that's a simple one, right? But you can't find that. They don't know what it is because it's unknowing, unknowing, calibre unknowing. So, by you entering everything into the registry yourself... No, not me. Somebody else that's done that and not what's happened historically. Going forward when you enter all that stuff in there, it's not going to be other because you know what you're going to be doing. No, I'm not talking about me enjoying that. I'm talking about, I think, then it comes into my position, will we be able to change what the structure is? Ah, yeah, I'll do it for the programme, but to R-800 you can start a conversation. Well, it has to start with the conversation, right? Because as I tried to get it changed, we've tried to change stuff beneath the years and it hasn't been changed. I said, oh, this is this, we've changed to that, it's wrong. And it never happens. As I spoke with a couple of minutes ago, it was a description error, right? Someone had paid us an AR-15 and someone had decided to call it a cult. That's why they couldn't find it. Right? Because as you know, AR-15, initially they were called cults, not AR-15s. And they decided to call it that. A conversation was had with my arms off the sick, and we resolved it that way. And that would be the way it's going to go on. Guys, there are so many different scenarios that have happened to us. Guys have to leave at 9, so we're going to get through these questions whether we like it or not. And the next one is, will there be any charges introduced for registration in the future? There's no charges for registration in the registry. There's no charge operating in the registry. It gets to the decisions of government and is articulated in the regulations. Excellent. Everyone feel that question's been answered? Hands up. Next one. The question was in the future though. I can't tell you what governments in the future are going to do. You're doing the live numbers in next week, please. They are moving on. I don't want you to be wasting your time. All licensed firearms owners of data breaches. So if there's a cyber attack or a hacking event, what's the procedure? One of the opportunities with the registry is that it will give us functionality such as if we end up with 240,000 email addresses because there's 240,000 licence holders. One of the methods that we would do any notification for is through email chain. We also have functionality and due course that we're probably able to send text messages. Certainly we have snail mail, we have public notifications and all sorts depending on what the circumstances it is. At the moment, we have 240,000 licence holders. We hold about 160,000 email addresses. So about 160,000 licence holders have been given email progressive bits of information as we're built towards the registry going live and others coming with us and the like. So there's great opportunities with the new technology around other and enhancing existing information dissemination. So a big attack will we not flag it away? Yup, well if there's a big attack I think a lot of people will know that Yeah, we want to know first. Just to backtrack one question the 0800 number to start a conversation will there also be an email number or an email address where we can start a conversation? No, we don't want that to stage that we flag it away. We will have an inward email among that external email so it's a conversation with us or it's online. Otherwise we'll end up with lanes go more. So we've made a conscious decision that there's only going to be two ways for registry to be fired and that's just for efficiency. I've got to move on guys. What allowances for extra time meaning extra time over the 30 days have been made if the system crashes partway through data entry or we have got serious IT professionals in the room performance poorly under load. Yeah, so if there's an error or an issue like that, obviously it's not your fault we'll work with you to you certainly won't be held accountable for things that are outside of your control. OK, the people feel let's answer the question. Let's have a look. Cool. And the next question from one of our members given the politicians have allowed five years to register a 30-day time limit imposed by the police regulation. It's not police regulations it's regulations of government and that if there's an activated circumstance you've got that timeframe to do your registration or as clearly described. Cool. Do people feel that to answer the question let's have a show of hands. Cool. Are the firearms safety authority registry staff vetted to a similar level of firearms licence holders? All of our staff are vetted through the actual employment process which is probably broadly similar and then they have do the relevant assurance test. Quality assurance checks over the top of that as well. OK, this one's for Andrew. Have any steps been taken to ensure consistency of interpretations and registration advice between arms officers? Yeah, so that's again that quality assurance we're building quality assurance processes over everything we do so we get a consistent standard across the board so we have two registries and such but we do everything together and that we're really conscious of that and honestly it's a new thing but that's a whole point of the quality assurance that we receive. Something's not working well so we can fix it and make it work better. So your local arms officer is not expert on registry they know enough the team that you need to speak to around registry matters so they can open and run into these two teams and that's a deliberate as they're just set. OK, cool. Does everyone feel that answer to the question? OK, go. A quick question for the officers at the other end obliged to identify themselves and should you ask for that identity? Yes. Yes, they should be identified themselves. So just so you know all calls are recorded and then you'll be notified of that when you make a net call so we'll know who had their conversation with them. There's no obligation for them to say who you are but then if it sees an issue then it can be raised. Remember there's only 80 of us in the whole country that'll be doing it. You're right. I've talked to five or six different people and I get five or six different answers I'm going to be up to the correct handle. Yeah, I hear what you're saying but I mean... So are they obliged to identify like a police officer? Like a police officer. I'll have a conversation with the team about that it's a good question that we can enjoy. The reference will always be your license number so any task... If you have a query about what happened with that conversation with that person that will be a log against that person's name. So your forum's license they'll have a conversation that gets logged so whoever logs that we know who you've been speaking to. And why so? Do you identify themselves or not? I don't know and what's the purpose anyway because I've just explained it if we needed to identify who you spoke to. OK, I'm going to move on. This one's a particularly one close to my heart because I see it in the business at SAI we're in. How will previously unregistered items be entered into the register? In particular will P prohibited magazines and firearms be able to be registered? Yes. So for example I had a colleague to ask me I'm going to take all the stuff out of my SAI and I'm going to go through it to check the firearms serial number. What happens if I discover a P magazine? What's the procedure? I see. You discover something that's not really registered? Correct. We'll deal with it on a case by case basis and possess that particular thing. If you discover, say, a new 16 magazine you're highly unlikely to be able to keep it because there's plenty of them already and especially if you've already got one for the particular firearm that takes that magazine. However, if it's something particularly unique and there's very few of them and you don't have one for the gun that you have and just for whatever reason fill in the room and fill then there's more of a probability that you might get to keep it. OK, do people feel that you hands are cool? OK. Should it occur, what are the consequences for criminals found with a hacked shopping list of firearms that has been lifted from the register? It's happened in Australia Mike so we've got members here from Australia and that's what's happened over there. Yeah, well obviously criminals with information they shouldn't have this defence in themselves if they undertake criminal activity or sorts of things there. I was going to use the question where the information comes on as an inquiry around that. OK, my next question is older collectors I have seen not one, two or three I've had six instances of older collectors who have reported to me that they have been fully into giving up their endorsements and I'd just like you to Yeah, well in a case I'm standing to hear that if you want to give me specific details we'll have that and we'll dab, but I've had six collectors that react to There's no requirement for you to get up your licence there's no requirement for you to get up your endorsement there's a place for firearms in New Zealand you are fit and proper people you can carry on doing what you're doing. Perfect, thank you. People feel that answer to the question. Excellent. OK, so perhaps something for John of course will be applied to firearms in particular restricted firearms at public displays and re-enactments So I am in the process of writing a guidance document for re-enactors and a guidance document will have a focus on security on planning and understanding the responsibilities of the armourer and or head armourer of the day of the re-enactment event. So the question do you do any re-enactment? No, I don't. We've been working closely with re-enactment. That's good mate of mine, Steve Goodman. Steve Goodman has been guiding me on this. Excellent. What about taking your restricted firearm to firearms going to church in slater? There's provision I think already in your endorsement about that to happen from memory. Kevin? Yep. Does that have anything to do with the permits of character? No, permits of character is a different thing again. Can you explain what the permit is? A permit to carry is something outside the existing conditions of your endorsement. So the most endorsements you should have is an endorsement to carry and it works just like a pistol club they can take it to an arraind, to a dealer, to an armourer and likewise with a collector you can take it to an organising event. For example, a club anything here? Correct. So as an example we can put conditions on licences and endorsements so for a particular reason we might say you can have this licence and this endorsement but here's the particular conditions. If one of them was that this thing can never leave this particular location then if that person wanted to have that considered to leave that location they'd have to go and get the relevant condition lifted or get the permit to carry type thing in. Does the Pite can we still bring a Pite into display now? That's a clean time one. Fantastic. So the answer is yes. You've got every right security provisions you come from your secure locations or this location and directly back or those sorts of things. That's exactly right. Security with firearm in your vehicle must be correct, right? Fold out things like that. I need to ask this one because it's important and perhaps Kevin can help will the new register play with the need for permits to possess the restricted or prohibited items? For example, every item that I own where the restricted or prohibited is now on the register. Every item that you own is on the register. If I sell my pistol to you and I check your licence and you've got a C licence or a B licence is there going to be a need for that paperwork? Well there will be because you don't know under the conditions with which you hold that C endorsement. So the reason my collectible interest and what I've displayed is my collectible interest could be different to yours. I don't know. They'll always need to be human intervention just like between Bs. Probably that's a little bit more when we've had that discussion before. If it's a B cap firearm and you're a B cap holder and it's already registered as a B cap but if you want to lure a B cap to a C cap you can't just turn around and do that. There has to be human intervention. Unfortunately computers don't have the ability to carry out that structure. I'm a C cap to you're a C cap I need to have a look to decide whether or not it fits or that has displayed a collectible interest if not then you'll have to display a collectible interest. That's an interesting point that you raised because display of collectible interest isn't even in the legislation. There's a description of what a bona fide collector is and now you're making a judgement based on something that's not even in the legislation. There's a requirement for the legislation for the PIMP to possess that exists. Sure. We will still have permits to possess. David. Is there a difference where you'd be registered if you registered one as the general? You don't have to register it by way of category and law so you go in these seven things I think it is. So you have to say type of fireman is, say a pistol the make, the model the action, the calibre, the serial number and whether it has a detectable magazine or not and if it has a fixed magazine what's the capacity? What if you don't know the capacity? You know it's going to be under 10 but it's an 80, 9 because it's a really bad visit. There's plenty of old guns that you could have found without when on your hand or just make it this way. Well there'll be material available that should guide you. There's plenty of online stuff that you should probably know better than me about and give you an indicator of what it is. Call friend. Have a conversation. Have a trust and respect and a lot of us we have suffered a lot of problems with the police and the past. What are you doing personally to build in the trust and respect back with borrowers owners? So the starting point is there's a whole lot of things that we all know from history. If we're going to keep looking back, you're going to continue being a grumpy haps half full crowd the opportunity is to work with us as we build our workforce knowledge and skill set because we will probably never know guns as well as you lot do. Because we're delivering Toyota mechanics and you guys like Ferrari mechanics okay? So you need to help us understand the Ferrari. If you ring up I see the shaking of a few heads get over yourself okay? It's the time that's not helping to be honest I'm just saying you're coming across very aggressive. We're sitting there we're feeling off each other it's not the best look. Well, excuse me for that we want to go forward folks we're here now I'm here now, it's the second time I've been here I appreciate it was three or four years ago that I was here last time alright? We want to make the registry successful. We want you to be successful in the registry it's a one time only opportunity activity sorry and my last question has to do with politics if the election happens and there's a change of government and the government makes a ruling and says right we are going to do away with the registry what's going to happen to our data? There's decisions of government I can't speak to decisions of future government nobody knows you will always be a requirement for a registry based on the existing law okay cool now listen I've got time for a couple of quick questions Mike has said he has to go at nine so we're going as we have worked much of today and we're doing Hamilton tonight so I decided I wanted to get to the curve and I start entering my data as I'll make sure that does that prove my 30 days? no antique black powder firearms that antiques are not required in the registry? what is anything pre-1899 that doesn't fire a cartridge room fire or centre fire cartridge? thank you room fire or centre fire? okay it's true a lot of collectors have linked to Waruura Museum and to Papa and that's going to be anticipated for a little longer than 30 days and in some cases that's going to be years is this where the possession thing comes in the area? so the licence holder of the museum we're required to register those things for the relevant act today, the Supercincts for that museum so am I as the owner rather than the possessor for one that's got to see this as an amendment? no no so it's all about possession not ownership it's not a triggering event that's clear okay so based on that a lot of us here have either got key components of firearms because of the requirements to hold those or we've given parts to other people those people are now in possession of them I'm now in possession of somebody else's part and it may be it may be a firing pin how is that going to be treated? a firearm complete, a major part and permanent magazines as an example the things that are required to go into registry other little bits so the firing pin that I've got of Miles is semi-automatic that's required for him to keep it separate with me, I don't have to record his firing pin no okay moving on straight yes you're going to have an 0800 contact number given that there's generally a bit of a weight to you for someone to pick up do you have any internal guidelines on what the length of an acceptable weight before the phone is answered well we want to provide the best service possible alright, there's a whole lot we don't know what call demand is going to be okay we really just don't know but there's going off data from other call centres you know, we're aiming for a real three-minute mark that they can but we just don't know what it's going to be two more questions, Kevin someone might myself for the D, C, the actual C and a lot of gaps we don't use the time for registry do you mind making the decision of what I'm not going to go on in other words I've got a lot of gaps that are theatrical gaps so 10 or 12, 303s can I then put that on my D and put them on my C if I've got something on my C on my D that I've decided now that I like and I'll give it up for the years and I want to now register as my C my C plan for do you mind making that decision then so that's a really good question I hadn't thought about answering that preemptively but yes, you need to, if you do hold a standard licence with a number of endorsements and over here you hold a dealer licence a number of endorsements you need to clearly register them under the relevant licence but can you swap from this dealer's licence to that dealer's licence sub-subject to the relevant would you do it perfectly? would you do it perfectly? or would you just move it probably to your same plan actually you probably need a permit to be free of group because that trend that's an interesting one because it's between the same person but it's under two different licences you still want the permit because the arms officer will want to know why that's happening because the one that comes first is the two from over here tricky eh? oh my god the opportunity you have at the moment is that you can make some decisions where you want them to serve initially and you've got time now to make that have that thinking and make that decision you're the last question I've got a bit of fire on especially with the apple sense how long can we put the parts in our position before that comes initially? you mean in context of requiring having the vital parts towards separately? so for instance, I've just not had to deal with course and treatment in Wellington I'm holding some of the parts and there's already an agreement on the way can I give them the parts, why would it be for the event now? so how long can they have them? so if you're going away in a scenario like that you should make and they would anticipate that they would probably know that that event's coming there needs to be something from arrangement because you can't leave them with the vital parts for that standard career time in that particular scenario there's no exact date or time it would be what's reasonable based on the circumstances and the circumstances and there could be a whole lot of different circumstances would help us all understand what that would be reasonable so an independent person if they looked at it was that reasonable for this week to time for that vital part to be with that garden creator a risk if you've got it with the wrong hands okay I'm sorry that's all the time we've got I'd like to thank Mike Andrew I'd also like to thank John and Kevin we've had a really good evening I hope you feel that you've had at least some of your questions answered the next step is going to be the preparation of a transcript I'll get that checked off with Mike and then we will share that transcript with everyone okay so unfortunately Mike and Co have got a drive down to Hamilton so we're a few days tomorrow if you want to come in and look doing the fencing competition so I can get that thanks for the opportunity to be here go and have a look on our website there's a comprehensive amount of information you're a part of 7,500 people in New Zealand you get one or more endorsements you've got a whole lot of pretty neat stuff from some of the stuff I've seen around the country in different collections we want you to be successful in the registry it's new for us as well collectively we'll get there okay, thank you very much Mike