 The mask mandates are back in California, at least in the Silicon Valley area. I don't know if it's statewide, LA as well. Okay. Right. Um, although I'm happy to say that I recently mailed in my ballot to recall Gavin Newsom. That's good. So that felt good. I don't know. We'll see what the, how it comes out. But, um, that wasn't what this was about. Um, it got me wondering, it's been a year and a half. Certain people are just obstinate about not getting vaccinated and these variants are coming and it's continuing to be present. And I wonder, I mean, do you think there's a scenario in which the mask mandates just, just don't go away? You know, if COVID isn't completely eradicated, that they just never let us go back to how it was. I'd never crossed my mind until the mask mandates came back again. I thought, you know, like we're, we're pretty much on a trajectory out of this thing, you know, not to where we were before there's been damage done. It's permanent probably to the culture and certainly to a lot of people's lives. Um, but I wonder, like if it might just, um, it might just permanently do this sort of thing, you know, with the mask and the, and the screening and the testing and you know, some places might, uh, I don't think it would be widespread. There's also, there's also movement towards, uh, you know, mandating vaccines. And I think, I think you're going to see that. You're going to see pressure to do that, particularly now that the vaccines are being approved by the FDA. So I think the government has, uh, Clay, who is going to claim more of a case, uh, for this, um, you already seeing, for example, you can go to a restaurant in Puerto Rico, uh, by, by law. This is not the restaurant demanding this. This is by law. You cannot go into a restaurant in Puerto Rico without either showing a vaccine or a negative test. Um, and that's going to be, that's true in most, um, places like restaurants like concert halls, places like that. Uh, there's going to be more and more of that by law, not as a choice. Uh, now there's always going to be pressure against that from business owners. So I don't think it's going to last every way. They might be particular places around the country where it lasts, but because there is, there is a lobby not to do it because it hurts business. So people are going to lobby against it. Uh, but it's going to be interesting to see. I mean, the CO5s of the other day said that he wouldn't be surprised if we saw a mutation of the virus that was vaccine resistant. I mean, that would be pretty, uh, and, and while it depends on how, uh, dangerous that was, but you could also see the vaccine becoming more dangerous. Usually vaccines mutate to becoming less, but they could mutate to become more dangerous. Um, there's a lot of things that could happen. Um, where things get, things get worse and they last for a very long time, much longer than any of us expected. I mean, I thought this would be over well over a year ago. I mean, I thought it would be in the summer of last year. Um, and, and, and it hasn't, it hasn't, this virus is not particularly seasonal. I mean, there's just a bunch of things about this virus that are not typical. And on top of that, because of the pathetic response of so many governments around the world, uh, this virus is allowed to spread the more it spreads, the more it mutates, the more hosted has the more opportunities that has to mutate, uh, the sooner you get a handle on it, the better. Now, I mean, Amish, last time I was at him on the show, said, we're just going to have to live with it. It's going to be here forever. And that means that it's certain jurisdictions that are super risk-averse, uh, where people are willing to tolerate things like masks. You might see mask mandates for a very, very long time. And maybe forever, I don't know. It's, it's, um, you know, why not from the status perspective? Why not use this as an opportunity to take more control, whether you're left or right? It doesn't matter. What matters is control. So why not take more control? And if you think about even the governors on the right are taking more control by banning, um, uh, school districts or, you know, usually Republicans are for, let the smallest unit make decisions, let school districts make decisions about kids, let cities make decisions about their cities. But when it comes to COVID, no, no, the governor's going to decide for everybody, um, that they can do these things, not for the right reasons, not a constitutional reasons, but for reasons of control. So all of them are using this thing to increase their control and to, and to, and to appease whatever constituency they have, whatever the constituency happens to be. So it's very depressing to see these things. It really is. Um, and, and, you know, just think about what would happen if this got really deadly. I mean, right now it's not that deadly. Oh man, it would just, the government would. Well, imagine what would happen. This is the nightmare scenario. Imagine a virus that killed children. We'd literally be locked in our houses. It's just, it's hard to fan them at this point. Uh, given, given how, how pathetic the response is being, how awful, you know, the whole system is being, um, for a virus that is not that bad. I mean, it's bad, but it's not that bad. Um, Amish keeps saying we were trained and we were practicing and we were ready and we were writing reports about the big one, the real killer one, the kind of the, the, the, the, uh, Middle East coronavirus, which, which, which kills like 40% or something. And, and as luckily it's not transmittable, it doesn't transfer very easily or, or an Ebola-like virus. Um, we didn't think the whole system would collapse over something like this. Yeah, it has the whole system collapsed. And, and because of, of, uh, you know, horrific decision-making for our politicians, but not just in the United States, throughout the Western world, uh, all of the politicians, all of them throughout the Western world, uh, you know, blew this, uh, the only people who got it right were the people like the Taiwanese and, and to some extent, the South Koreans, but it was nobody else. Well, you know, it's not depressing. Okon. And I'm literally going to go pack right now. Excellent. So I'm already packed. I'm ready. I will see you there. Excellent. Thanks, Debbie. See you there. I'm going to be there. And, uh, we've got a few, a few of our, uh, a few of our superchatters are there. What we need today, what I called a new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think, meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason, by the intellect, not by feelings, wishes, wins or mystic revelations. 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