 What was your experience so far with the 21 convention? Oh, I was dead. I was dead. Professional, all across the board. Really good energy with a lot of people and I just like it because it's a very positive, positive direction. This, George, this has been a first class event. It's fantastic. You guys run a really tight ship. I've been to a lot of conventions over the course of my business career and I can tell when things are well run and when things aren't and this is a very well run operation. I was very impressed. It's pretty incredible to see where Anthony's brought it. Especially from last year which is my first year here to see the upgrades he's made. It's been incredible. I've got my notebook and with every speaker I've written down about two or three lines under each of the speakers of just the key prime stuff that I got. That's good. That's good. It's very surreal, man. I'm really enjoying it. I'm happy to live in such an era where such a thing like this is possible. I have never seen a group of guys like this. A group of 200 men were focused, squared away, working on their values. Just never met a bigger group of wonderful guys. It's kind of neat because I've been to a fair amount of conventions in my day but you never see one where the guy's like... Here you can see Ed Latimore talking to Tanner about boxing. Yeah. You just sit down and then you tell your boxing experiences. Everybody's kind of pinging off each other. Yeah. It has been fantastic and it's been four days of guys all on the same page working in the same direction. Fascinating meeting some of the people, hearing their stories. Yeah, you've got people traveling from other parts of the world to come here just to see some of the speakers. That's amazing. The thing that's impressed me is that everybody here is very serious. They're taking it close to their heart. What a great convention. Thanks, George. Having a talk with Coach Greg Adams. Welcome to the show. Thank you very much, George. Appreciate it. Absolutely. Your first time at the 21 convention. Tell me what you think. Well, it's good to see it in person. I'm just glad I got to see it in person. I've heard about it for about three or four years and I always had an idea of what it was. Until I got here and saw it and you can see the people in the audience, you see the men that are here committed to listening to other content creators, give their message. You get to see them relate to you. Hey, I watch you on YouTube and you see the man behind the screen. I mean, it's just changed my idea of what the conference is. The professionalism, the staff, the way everything is organized. It's given me a different perspective about this particular idea and I'm ready to put some more fire into it. It didn't take very long for you to just be one of the guys here. You are now one of the guys, one of the team here. And the way that I know that is I'm looking at how the attendees are responding to you. You can't even walk out there without being surrounded by guys. That means your message is important. Sometimes you don't get it. You're looking at numbers half the time. Oh, I got this many comments. This many subscribers. So that's how you're evaluating your message. If you have a book, you're looking at how many they sold. But not until you meet somebody in person that says you're watching and they can recognize you just walking down the hallway. It gives you a different perspective on the value you're presenting to these to the people. And not only that. Anthony is a good man. And he wants, as bombastic as he is, he wants families to be good families. He really does want women to be great. He wants men to be great. He wants us to be able to embrace our complimentary nature. And the fact that he allows us as speakers and as presenters and as audience members to be able to embrace that and do that as opposed to just feeding into the misogyny or the misundry or any of these other things that the world tries to throw at us. There's genuine intent there. And so it worked because the intent was there and then he let the rest of us kind of pick up that ball and run with it. How do you think the three stages first time we ever had three stages? I loved it because the energy in each one felt very different. As I got a chance to be in each of the three different rooms, it felt almost like you were entering into an entirely different conference as you went through each one of them. And in a lot of ways they were very complimentary. You could see what was going on with 22 mirrored what was going on in 21 but it was specific to different audiences and then everything that was going on with 21 the main event as opposed to the patriarch was stuff that was more generalized as far as male self-development and then patriarch was how do we take this and apply it to fathers and families and so the energy was awesome. It was fun to get to see all three of them put together. The only downside is that we as speakers we're not with all of our friends the way that we wanted to but I think it's a sacrifice worth making because I think it's so much better for the attendees to get to pick and choose and kind of play your own adventure and use stuff that way. Wonderful as always Anthony Jonathan just kicking butt the studio the people the atmosphere is a lot of positive energy and this is one of my best points parts is to sit down with the great George Oh thank you I mean the whole event so far is just amazing. It was really really I don't know the word but enjoyable informative amazing. What is your impression of the 21 summit now we combined the 21 convention the patriarch convention and the 22 convention make women great again all three were under the same roof in the same area tell me what is your impression of the logistics how it got pulled off how did we do what do you think? You had meals, you had to run security you had to run travel plans you had to ensure people were where they needed to be three stages cameras everywhere and it was pulled off with flawless execution to the point where the only issue or complaint I heard is that man there's so much going on I wish I could watch them all it was incredible to see all of it coming together and 21con is doing it right it's the solution the way Anthony conducted himself with staying to the cause it's pretty incredible to see where Anthony's brought it yeah it's everything it's a fine oiled machine and for the amount of moving parts we have going on it's really impressive what he's done here yeah I'm very impressed you have all these men who've lived it are going to help you not fall in the pitfalls we've all fallen into what do you think of the event? Wow what a whirlwind it's been an amazing time three events four days a lot going on a lot of moving parts great it's the second year back everybody's phenomenal well organized it's a good place to be if you're a guy that wants to excel in the world like honestly if you're stuck if you're looking for some kind of hint or cue to up your game to unlock some level of achievement that you haven't hit yet it's a place to go so Ryan this was your first time speaking at the 21 convention I've got to ask how how has your experience been so far? it's been fun I actually was worried when I first got here I have a saying like don't meet your heroes so I figured I'm like if I find out Rolo's like a 300 pound fat man it's going to fucking kill me or if Hunter's making this stuff and his wife's fucking a prostitute in Vegas but it's nice then you meet these guys and you realize they are who they say they are they're personas that they have on reddit on twitter on instagram on their own little things so it's nice seeing guys they're doing their thing and they're sharing the knowledge and it's essentially what it is at the end of the day it's guys swapping notes like Tanner's not joking around he knows how to dress he knows what he's doing Hunter knows how to get his things done how to make his mission so when you meet them then it's nice you take a bit of it for yourself like I said before the only value of a man is the value S for others it's kind of neat because I've been to a fair amount of conventions in my day but you never see one where the guy's like sitting down like you have Joe Navarro and just having a speech about the FBI and you can sit down and chill with him but here you can just see Ed Latimore talking to Tanner about boxing you can sit down and then you tell your boxing experiences everybody's kind of pinging off each other and I'm talking with Rolo Tamasi from therationalmail.com and he's written several books and you might have read them and you're aware of them and I don't want to go over that information because he's a dynamic person and there's constantly information and research coming out of this person's mind here and that's what we want to tap into today in a little chat and give you some hope as well welcome thanks the speech went well mm-hmm very well I gave my speech about the state of the man a state of the man I also it is a really kind of turning into a resource of men's globalized universalized experiences online in various forums my through my work through other people's work through various podcasts I've got my own podcast right now going with the red man group and so it's not just one form of media it could be books it could be it could be like said podcasting it could be coming to an event like this and learning about it so that's probably the best way I can describe it this has been your first ever time speaking at the 21 convention really interested in your thoughts on the event what's your experience been like so far oh so far it's been fantastic I you know I think viewers are probably going to see this or they're going to see the two speeches that I do but they don't understand the stuff that goes on behind the scenes here and there's so much more going on at this like I said this is my first time here so I can't really speak to older prior ones but there's so much else that's going on we have meet and greets I spent close to three hours in the hotel bar here just answering questions and just talking to guys and just just that interaction the network I really I need that stuff I really do because it gives me material and it gives me like things to think about we've got you know Alan Roger Curry we've got Richard Cooper we've got Ivan Thrones here a lot of these guys who are you know fixtures I think anyways fixtures in the red pill community and it's not just about angry dudes you know spitting hate at each other spitting hate at women and stuff and anybody who would come to this who watches these videos or comes to these things you would know that just how ridiculous that idea is that all it does is just about about angry guys because the guys I meet and I'm again we've got some other events that are going to be happening that are off the the scenes like this not just about talks I think that that's where a lot of the value of this particular conference is is in but I need that one on one really really provides an opportunity to you know you can pick my brain I can pick your brain and the great part about this is I get that here you know I get the one on one and you know people are throwing questions at me like I would I would never would have thought of that if I hadn't been here awesome stuff man well Rollo thanks again for being here and with that you can get first access to Rollo's talk on 21 university.com all by clicking the link underneath this video and this is Mike signing off for the 21 report with Rollo Tomasi so far what is your impression of the 21 convention this George this is a this has been a first class event I heard about I heard about the event last year and I heard about all the speakers and just the level of quality in terms of in terms of the content the audience the speakers etc and when I got the invite of course I said sure but I I got to tell you I was completely shocked like I still am completely shocked at the level of professionalism from the security from the setup to the stage the accommodations everything has been it's really blown my mind and oh by the way I've gotten to meet some of my heroes when I first found the red pill I'm actually rubbing elbows and I'm on the same stage as those guys so it's been a great experience for me all around there's a lot of moving parts and everything is well orchestrated yes it really is George Bruno with the 21 report we're at the 21 convention the final event of the decade and I'm having a conversation with Donovan Sharpe welcome how you doing George good to see you again man you know nothing lasts forever I mean this is just how this goes I mean anything that's lasted as long as this is what Anthony 1713 convention it's been a long time yeah guess what the you know two years from now the 21 convention is going to look very different than what it looks like they're going to be new faces new places etc etc but I think one thing one lesson that can be learned from this is that one man does not a convention make two men no no this is absolutely a group effort this is a this is a collaborative effort even though we don't have some of the guys that we have had in the past the convention is still every bit as top-notch as quality as first class as it was when I was here the last time in the time before last and it sucks because I miss those guys I really do and I'm still like I said I'm still good friends with all those guys but you know the show must go on the train stays on the tracks and I think if I've learned anything you know from what's happened here over the past I guess eight to ten months or so is that we have something good here you know we we can continue to do what we're doing people are going to be added people are going to be off for whatever reason but I like that 21 convention survive that schism right it was listen it was touch and go there for a little while but we're all we all remain steadfast and here we are man the last event of the decade I mean it doesn't appear that things are going to slow down so I'm excited to be a part of it man I'm glad that we survived it you've never done anything other than 21 conventions that's right that's right wow so it really is blazing some new ground it is it is I'm excited I'm excited I mean obviously you guys were in Poland not too long ago unfortunately I wasn't able to make it there but yeah it's good to see guys from all over it's good to see guys that are from states other than the eastern seaboard next year it's going to be another city in Poland okay and it's going to be even stronger good fascinating fascinating yeah I might I might actually make it out to that one depending upon when it is like I said I've got a lot of changes going on I would love to be a part of that that would be great all right what do you think of the convention so far listen just like last time it is a it's a world-class event great food great people I got to shake a lot of hands got to talk to a lot of people a lot of guys I've never met before before I came here like Elliot Hulse just shook his hand Brola Tomasi of course I'm really good friends with him but it listen again it's been a it's been a world-class event like you really can't put into words the accommodations the you know the events the organization you know the crew I mean every everyone is you know including yourself you're a true professional and that's why I like coming to these because I know they're going to be run professionally end of the day we're all on the same side and I like that this is the venue to do that what I've noticed about the 21 convention is that it tends to attract the cream of the crop the very best in my opinion you know I might be wrong maybe they're all liars maybe I'm a liar I don't know but in my opinion the best that the world has to offer and I think that's obviously largely in part of the I think that is largely to do with the discerning judgment of Anthony Johnson because he's the guy at the end of the day who decides who's speaking but also it's because guys who can't handle it who are not good enough are not willing to stand up there and be exposed there are other places where they can get up and waffle and you know do convoluted sales pictures and use NLP tricks and it'll kind of pass but here it won't because the other speakers know what they're looking at game respects game and recognizes game and it's a pretty horrible thing to be in a room full of people who know what they're doing and to be standing there pretending that you know what you're doing so I think a lot of guys just would not be willing to put their balls on the line to be exposed so the convention attracts high quality because it demands high quality and as a result the attendees reflect this as well and I see this in my own business is the guys who come to me for training are awesome, the guys I would be friends with the guys who tend to have their shit together in other areas but for whatever reason have just not refined their social skills or maybe they have and they want more or they want better and that's a fantastic thing to come to a convention where every guy that comes and asks me a question or that I speak to is a legit person, somebody who can look you in the eye who can shake your hand, who's not trying to prove themselves or amog you or you know cut holes in your theories just to validate themselves they're people who are there willing and able to learn because they have already reached a certain point of their own personal evolution and this is simply a reflection of what we're putting out there Anthony came with pure ideals I'm sure they will change and grow and evolve over the years but his integrity has remained the same he's attracted men to speak with integrity and attracted attendees who want to live that truth as well and we're pretty good I'm a student of the truth in reality but I walk around the world I see the truth before me you don't want to get caught lying to people I try not to do that I've never been good at it I was really honored to be invited I had a conversation with Anthony you got people traveling from other parts of the world to come here just to see some of the speakers that's amazing I love the event very high quality men a diverse group of guys what I love about what you guys are doing here is that the conversations here are those father to son conversations that aren't happening anymore it's evolved so much I really appreciate how Anthony has allowed you speakers to evolve and to grow and to share that and to encourage that with all the other men here not only did we sit down and say we're going to come together and meet in mass and we're going to do this we're going to socialize like socialized being like civilized men but we're going to take it a step further we are going to dare dare have a conversation about the sexes openly, honestly, and engage the women with the sexes it wasn't just men talking about women this was not a convention of women fix yourselves it was not that there was a degree of hey there is something seriously wrong and you need to take agency there's completely different but the conversations that were had between men and women the dialogue that were coming back and forth and since I've met Anthony I've been blown away I mean it's just layers to his drive it's layers of how he sets things up and he's like the model that I always try to tweak to if you want to do it right Anthony because he gets with good speakers like yourself and he knows what he's doing and everything is second to none it's just A1 like 5 stars all the way well it's very interesting I didn't know much about the organization when Anthony reached out to me he approached me saying look you're one of the leaders out there in the area of communication the people attending I think would like to hear about what you teach the way that you teach and the subject that you teach on and I'm always I'm always for sharing information I mean 15 12 years ago I was approached by poker players who wanted me to share my knowledge with them and I've said I've never played poker but I shared my knowledge with them because why not why shouldn't they know how the brain reacts to stress and to different situations and in the same way you know from talking to the people attending the 21 convention everyone's here for a different reason some people want to improve themselves some want to improve the way they communicate with others some want to improve their lives everybody has a different take and I think it's helpful if you understand human behavior then it doesn't matter what niche you're in once you understand human behavior then you can do whatever you want in your life but do so more effectively you know I've been here this is my fourth year being part of this and as much as I've enjoyed coming and being a part of this over the past few years I'm married I have four kids and so a lot of times as we talk about in previous years there's been a lot of talk about pickup or dating or all these other things I understand that there are more men who are in that position kind of within our sphere of the internet there are who are in positions that we're in whether that's marriage or divorce or fathers or anything else like that but to have this kind of expansion to where this is something that is now being acknowledged this is a major part of masculinity it's not just how many women you can sleep with but what's your legacy what are you leaving I felt like this weekend that I personally am more amongst my own people than I have in previous years totally exceeded my expectations totally and I didn't know honestly what to expect I've had some experiences with other more specifically just dating relationships oriented events they had their strengths, they had their weaknesses but I just didn't know what to expect and number one I was extremely impressed when I learned I never knew that Anthony was that young so the fact that he's got this ball rolling in 2017 just blew my mind away and the diversity of the attendees really impressed me and I've been hearing so many stories shared not only just in terms of race and ethnicity but in terms of socio-economic background geographically and it's so well organized and the speakers are so powerful like again I don't want to disparage any other speaking event but there's some speaking events where there's a percentage of good speakers but there's just speakers where I shake my head like why is this guy even speaking nobody has provoked that reaction for me at this conference I've listened attentively to every speaker and they all had great knowledge, wisdom and insight to share with the audience Oh, I was standing I was standing total kudos to Anthony he's raised his game to another level last year was outstanding and this year is another notch up the setup, the group of guys all the speakers were just I thought all of them were great so I've just thoroughly enjoyed and most thing I've enjoyed is interacting with the attendees because you know they've just been coming up to me with questions, a lot of them weren't familiar with me, now they are yeah so it's been a great gratifying experience and also what's interesting about 21 is that they have people coming at that from different angles and different world views people are coming here wanting to grow and change or wanting to be exposed right, so there's guys sitting through these different workshops wanting to know how can I get in better shape how can I lead my wife like why do I feel so disconnected all that, they're coming here with that mindset you know there's a bigger crowd here and I think there's a more vibrancy here it was quieter last year and this year the guys are much more engaged I guess you could say and the speakers are much more coming together and engaged I don't know, there's something there's something living in this in this one that I did not say the last one wasn't but there's something there's something there's some vibrancy which bodes well for the future you know, I don't have to say it well it has been fantastic and it's been four days of guys all on the same page working in the same direction and then you realize that emotions are flowing around in us all the time why is that, usually it's because we're not mindful of it we're not purposeful of it we're letting this sort of cosmic soup bubble over without any kind of deliberateness or intentiveness to it and so much of the book is about there is a moment of enlightenment or potential enlightenment that can happen to everyone and anyone on their life's journey and this, not because of me or even the convention, this can be yours if you're sat around hoping you're not acting an action is the only resolution now is the time not to be just sat there oh well, let's hope everything works out give up hope it's not going to work out okay the boss is already tipping off the edge of the cliff we see that in every area of society we've got to do something it was cool to see the evolution and to see the progress and it's not for everybody in the audience and that's fine but the fact that Anthony is willing to say I don't care, come in and talk as long as you're trying to help men be better the fact that it did resonate with so many men in the audience was really awesome but an amazing experience especially to see the specific niche for the 21 convention here this man on fatherhood patriarchy and building families and building legacies and learning how to fundamentally and properly do those things with a framework of knowledge and vision I don't see that available anywhere else 21 convention weekend really broadened it and it's really about personal development for men inside out for all men and it's been amazing to hear the other speakers I just love it like I said taking nothing away from the previous 16 events three of which I've spoken out in the past this just resonates it's the right place at the right time it's been fantastic man here is very very genuine it's yeah it's been great I mean we're having so much fun at night like the speakers are great during the day the guys are learning a lot the night the party's been so much fun I've met tons of girls but it's been cool the guys have been awesome I've sat in on the majority of the sessions and why not I mean there are people here who are experts in their fields we can't be an expert in all fields there's something to be learned from every single speaker it's an honor to be able to listen to these people and then converse with them and meet and network with them I think to pass up that opportunity would be insane I know we're starting to have a really great dialogue and everything else and this is one of the things I really love about the 21 convention it's not just the free presentations of this video that you'll see it's the fact that 10 minutes from now the entire group and attendees will have access to me for another 72 hours that we will be able to share develop that cultural network those social bonding elements that to me is truly with the value of coming it's not just the videos as much as we all like the videos it's to be able to talk to the people it's able to talk to Doug McGuff and talk about fitness and health and strengthening muscles and how does that deal with strengthening virtues looking at Ed Akin and talking about a virtuous guy who's all fucking alpha I mean really the guy's a beast and having that play in relationships and be able to show him in comparison to something that would be counter terribly anti-social I mean we are on such like the arc of history right now there's so much going on I really feel like this was the place to be it's a summit it's got all, you know, patriarchs 21 convention 22 convention it's energy's incredible and you've seen this conference since 2017 when you were the beard guy as Tanner because he called you and as I've called you what's it been like seeing you know from the first event 2017 to now 2020 I mean this is a big difference in events in between but 2017 that was a big event, 10 year anniversary event three conference experience your thoughts it's multifaceted it's it's never been a one trick pony but there were people who would call this a pickup conference how to get laid conference conduct yourself red pill kind of stuff and it's so much more than that and it has evolved into a conference for the total man total man professional all across the board I mean everyone knows what's going on I mean the back stuff that's going on as far as okay go here this is timed perfectly great presentation I've been doing this and I said it last year long time 26 years teaching men in seminars this is the best seminar I've ever been two as far as that goes even better than David D'Angelo's back at the time this is way more setup this is good, top notch I've done a lot of speaking everywhere I was a professional hitman test comedy for three years so I know breakdown, I know setup I know how it is to run seminars and I've done it over the years and this is one of the most professional setups that I've seen Anthony was definitely on point he had the speakers taking care of he had the attendance take care of he was on point with his timing it was smooth, it was a great experience and the quality of speakers were great and the quality of men that were there that was I think the first thing that I said when I came on there is looking at you guys you guys are a higher grade of men that are here which is nice to see because a few years ago after the game came out it was really loose and the quality of men and the way that the philosophy was after the game got really twisted and now it's coming back to these very solid teachers that have been around worth their weight in gold and now it's really starting to show because they don't have to weed and sift their way through all these wannabes that used to be there now these are the key players this is the best information you're going to get so it's going to accelerate your learning and so this conference has been great kudos to Anthony for doing a great job I mean even this right here you don't have that I think it's incredible I recorded a podcast this morning for my podcast incidentally the rugged legacy podcast with Zach Small this morning and we were talking about you can see it in the eyes of the attendees that I agree for some sort of a connection with other men because brotherhood is now frowned upon why do you need a bunch of guy friends what's wrong with you that kind of thing oh look it's a group of girls shaming men for one income brotherhood and I've watched attendees will come up and just hey can I sit with you and they're sitting there at my table with me and they're just telling me about I've loved your content online I've loved this, I love your products some of them don't even know I have products right and we just have a conversation for 20 minutes and there's a bond there I remember the guy's name, I remember he's got two kids a wife and a dog and you see these happening with the other attendees with each other they're making connections with people they've never met before and they're building these bonds they have a network of people that may have the same kind of problems they have and they can bounce those things off of and it's beautiful because men especially today are hungry for a brotherhood of other men and it doesn't have to be something like what we have with Zach Small and Craig James' group the fraternity of excellence I am a proud member but you can just get a group of guys to go to the park and do nothing I guarantee you within 10 minutes you're going to be seeing who can hit that tree with that rock and you're going to break in the conversation and you're going to start building bonds that you've needed and I'm seeing those things happening here because I guess the reason for the convention is just to bring them here because we have fun on stage but the magic happens in the side conversations by the pool over a glass of whiskey I really enjoyed the Austin convention I thought it was a great combination of topics and speakers, same thing here it's really interesting to me I really like the format I mean, what I consider to be a kind of intimate conference it's a small number of people it's a good number of people, lots of different backgrounds lots of different interactions but it's intimate enough that you basically over the three days you have a chance to talk to everybody and that's one of the things that's different about this from a lot of conventions a lot of conferences that I go to where it's big, big, large audiences and you never get to connect with the people and you never get to connect with the other speakers it's just this thing where you kind of show up there's a big audience, you do it, you're done and then you're just so overwhelmed that you don't get a chance to have those conversations this year I've had some great conversations some great interactions learned a lot of things from some of the attendees from some of the other speakers it's that kind of interactivity that to me really sets it apart that you get to have that one-on-one contact or small group discussion and hear people arguing and sorting out ideas together that just doesn't happen and it's a unique value that the convention provides yeah I mean I'm still trying to process everything it's just been an amazing experience the biggest thing for me is just seeing we talk about it a lot we're online, we're talking about men coming together acting like men seeing that camaraderie, seeing the spirit of masculinity here so powerful is really the biggest takeaway that I'm going to be able to talk to so many people and the conversations that we're having and just being in person there's nothing that quite matches it well I enjoyed it it's a very professionally run program, it's on time I was very impressed with that and I think people are seeking information, I could pick up on that just a few questions I answered after the talk and I saw a couple people during the lunch and I got here a little early so I got one of my news, I sat with him so I think it's a nice conference, a nice program good question, it's time to be an adult the adult pill is the ultimate pill as far as I'm concerned it's time to put away the baby food and the baby bottle and the diapers and stop stop shitting yourself right it's time to have some solid food and grow up and be a man it's called the manasphere it's not the baby spear one of the big differences that I've noticed is just the the level of the guys who are here as attendees is just higher and some of these guys, even if it's their first time just the audience that's being appealed to it's just better guys, it's guys who are really putting the action, the principles that are talked about on the YouTube channel that are being talked about by the other speakers and what's so fun is being able to see it move just small steps out of somewhat theory into actual application and you're seeing these men actually make progress in their lives and become more of the idealized men that they want to be as opposed it's really easy to talk about this stuff on the internet it's so easy and you get the dopamine hit of like I'm talking about this and these are the kind of, but to actually see men who are here and they're putting in the action is awesome number one is that it is really good to see men running it and organizing and everything is just moving because normally the women take over and the men to kind of sit back and do nothing so that is really really impressive and number two just see the men working on overcoming coming back to the natural state the speakers that I have heard have been amazing too so you have great speakers let me tell you something Anthony, the speakers is just great I love the chemistry, the camaraderie it's just everybody is learning the workshops again just like it was in Orlando just A1 I felt a lot of hope and a lot of encouragement that there are this many men and that they want to make the world bigger and better and they want it for everyone one this is it's exactly what I expected but feeling it is something different it's the same as saying have you seen the mountains? I can explain them to you but you have to be in the midst of it to see the impact that they can have on your psyche and what not so that's how I feel about everything I have experienced this was a groundbreaking event for me the things that I learned here the people that I have met the caliber of people that I have met the information that I garnered I am much better equipped today as a man as a father than I ever thought that I could be well I think it was just a really productive group everything there is no drama which is nice I didn't notice any drama really and you know you have a lot of productive people getting together and sharing ideas I enjoyed it specifically just because I wasn't speaking this year and so I just got to have fun at a conference and meet with a lot of my colleagues in my industry it's really a business conference for me I was saying in my talk I have never seen a group of guys like this a group of 200 men who are focused squared away working on their values it's unusual to say the least and just a lighthearted crowd just never met a bigger group of wonderful guys they are hungry aren't they I enjoy speaking at the 21 convention it's a smart audience and so the quality the questions are a lot better usually get more thoughtful questions I had no idea how awesome and what a great fantastic thing Anthony Johnson has put together here I just kept looking at the schedule I want to be here but I want to be here I want to miss this guy I know this guy too well it's his first time I got to be there for him these people are going to get to take home a hope that even if the situation is not that great right now or even it's perfect that they can either make it better or be able to maintain the level of perfection that they've had because they've got new insights and new strategies for any other obstacles that could come their way they're not going to leave here thinking I'm a loser they're going to say here Lincoln this is just one step of many that's going to lead me to greatness truth to be told I haven't spoken at anyone else's events in a long time but I think you have a much bigger audience and I think one of the other things is the slant towards the men's rights movement and red pill and Anthony's message that destroying feminism is a actually creative positive thing to do we also have to move towards positive masculinity I've never heard that term brought out before so the other places I've spoken at it's been strictly PUA this is the first time I've stepped into an arena to use that metaphor where it's more than PUA going I know they have red pill here I have significant disagreements with red pill I think they're big holes in it I also like a lot of what's in there and I'll share with them the hope that they'll find it and that's what I like hope here it's mostly about hope and there's a dark cynical time it's a weekend of hope isn't it it really is just like four days of just rapid fire hope it's fantastic you guys are in a really tight ship I've been to a lot of conventions over the course of my business career and I can tell when things are well run and when things aren't and this is a very well run operation I was very impressed consuming content about bettering ourselves as individuals pretty amazing you know that we see this at 21 convention this is a convention of men of agency especially the ones who are organizing and speaking here come to 21 convention find other avenues where you can be around good men who have agency who make things happen in the world so much more than sitting in an audience watching a man on a stage that's a small part of it the dinners in the evenings the conversations in the hallways the connections that people make the conversations the challenging the collaborations all of that just makes it such a high quality event that men are speechless when I ask them how do you like it and they got to think they got to come up with words to describe what they got out of it a lot of guys will say I'll say so what did you think of the event they'll say have you got about three hours wow they can't stop talking about it many times they're just saying literally wow and that's even the new speakers that are well it's Anthony has put it together and I understand how his business model works so for him this event basically sets the stage for how he interacts through his other avenues like his websites and videos and various I don't know everything about it but it has it does appear to have grown and have a much more enthusiastic following at convention time right I haven't been that much aware involved in all the online activity throughout the year and seriously I'm not I came from whatever it is pick up per game or a red pill or anything like that I'm peripherally familiar but not really enough to make distinctions between those three things which I guess most of you dudes can but what I do know is that when I first came and started hearing some of these guys talk about a dating scene and stuff like that I realized that a lot of people have misconception about it we're talking about this last night it really doesn't you could be here a single guy looking for how to do better with women really what it is though to me my impression is it's lessons in how to have self confidence hold yourself correctly not get trampled on that you have needs too and you have to see to those it's not going to work anyway and in that respect it has wide application to a number of different things business deals relationships with other people in various levels even family type stuff and everything so yes it's really I think has a wider application and so that probably gives Anthony many avenues towards expanding this brand as time goes on there were more applause more hand clapping going on during this event than other events we're just all feeding off of each other and that's what really movements and intellectual movements all these things do all these minds together and then they feed off of each other it was really productive I think the events grown a lot I think the first time I spoke it was maybe a two day event I don't remember I'm not sure but I know now I think it's four days and it seems every year it seems to be growing and a couple things that haven't changed always a great audience usually get phenomenal questions and you can really tell that people are thinking they're not just sitting there just letting it kind of soak in they're thinking about what you're talking about I really appreciate that I prefer an intelligent and thoughtful audience to one that just sits there and says okay well he says that so that's it it doesn't matter who you are me or anybody else you want to consider all that information critically and challenge it when it doesn't quite mesh with other things that you think so it's great good questions smart audience it was a fantastic line of Anthony together this year I was talking with one of the female attendees last night and towards the end of the talk I just put my hand out and shook her hand and said thank you for coming she goes this is amazing and I thought she was talking about the event she was talking about the handshake and the way that I was addressing her she says every man that I met this weekend shook my hand with intent and I quote that shook my hand with intent they'd eye contact with me she says I felt like I was shaking the hands of men all weekend she goes I'm not used to that first speech was in 2011 at Orlando so this was my fourth 21 convention speech oh great I mean it's bigger than last year I've had a lot of energy with a lot of people and I just like it's a very positive positive direction this is a very valuable conference for the attendees and the speakers I would say stirring practical talks and good food and great fellowship I mean it sounds corny but that's what it is it's guys hanging out how can I be a better man not how can I be macho macho and truly manly these are guys that are trying to be excellent so if you want to be if you want to grow as a man in your finances and your physique and thankfully now also spiritually this is a place that you can start to do that so it's grown to be more than just this singular focus to be much more of a broad focus and Father is going to play into that at least in the periphery for some of these guys it might not be now it might be later but it's a component and so to be able to bridge that gap and maybe what this does is bring in some other people to talk about other things but that's so indicative and representative of the bigger thing and it's trying to make men live up to what our full potential is help women live up to what their full potential is and help society realize that the complimentary nature of that is better for everybody and she got to experience that experience and then the guy got encapsulated in that whole concept of a handshake that's a win the treatment, the love everything just everything I just love it all man I've got my notebook and with every speaker I've written down about two or three lines under each of the speakers of just just the key prime stuff that's good that's good gotta remember that real guys are great for their production it actually exceeded my expectations I try to keep a neutral mindset about everything that way if it goes one way I'm not upset if it goes this way I'm cool so in the neutral zone but this actually exceeded my expectation that has a page with all the links to a blog, various interviews I've done with Anthony and others through the years links to videos I've done so it's all on that one webpage I think it's impressed me that everybody here is very serious about themselves they came here to really their personal evolution they're taking it close to their heart it wasn't just a meat of guys to hear about bro topics I wasn't sure if you were going to be able to pull this off I honestly, I don't think anyone did everyone saw what was going on and I thought okay is this a PR stunt? Seriously because I don't you don't check with me and make sure things are okay before you do them you do them it's not like you sit there and meet with a bunch of advisers you announce what you're going to do and then you do it I believe in the dream and there's a lot of people that are sitting there scratching their heads even in your inner circle going oh gosh there goes Anthony again truth Socrates has had that experience for a long time since 2006 I was in Poland last year holy cow yeah it was a great event it was a great event you pull up patriarch last year the first one I'm happy to live in such an era where such a thing like this is possible it was very well organized there have been a bunch of times when people have said why don't you speak of the 21 convention going all the way back to when it was the under 21 convention it wasn't because it's being in Florida or whatever it didn't seem to be a fit at the time and I've never been a pickup person it's not what I'm about I often say that pickup is about customer acquisition and I'm much more about customer relationship management and maintenance okay I don't have any exes I just have girlfriends in remission and more often than not they come out of remission when they break up with the new guy that they're seeing or whatever times earlier than that so I just didn't know that my message would have an audience here but I was very delighted and impressed this has been a great show the other speakers are terrific I was very happy to be here with a bunch of colleagues of mine that I know well and I've worked with many times Zan Pirian's here Hypnotica, Eric Fonsado's here Alan Roger Curry's here actually many times it's a joy to hear as they up their game and bring the news each one of us is here with the same objective we want to spread the word knowing that eventually that word for the people who listen to us will become legs and interestingly enough the basis for that book and the reason I was asked to write it was the 21 convention talk that I gave in Austin to a parent at least one parent has said to a child sometime during the parenting it's not what you say but how you say it and I don't think anyone changed their message this was not red pill light this was not going easy on women because they're women the way we did it I did not compromise my convictions at all I did not go easy on women 21 organization is now going deeper and we're being respected for it they're here they're willing to learn they're super excited they're super grateful I love when they come up and ask questions afterwards I love to be able to help them they're very responsive very absorbent in the type of person who makes the financial decision and plans a trip to come here and improve themselves a particular character aspect that is very admirable it's great to be around people like that people who are willing to improve themselves and invest in themselves and go out of their way to improve themselves and improve their life so I'm really impressed by the attendees come to an event like this and to get with other like-minded men that you can trust everyone is trying to be very practical no matter what they're talking about they'll end with steps of action so everything's about moving forward growing I'd like to see more of that at men's conference we should and the guys here know that they're going to get better and this time next year when they come back you're going to see different guys vastly improved it's like there's so much it's just really fun to be part of such a diverse group of guys who just really love to be together because there's a really singular focus with this there's a mindset here abundance mindset champion mindset and so I think women came here to learn I've been here yeah I mean now for this one other than Anthony I've been here longer than anybody else how was the convention this weekend I really enjoyed it now that I'm here I've enjoyed it and particularly I like the talks today I've enjoyed my 21 con experience I mean this has been a lot of fun first time and now this week has been good too meeting new people it's talking with the speakers and it's just the atmosphere and the environment second to none perfect when Anthony found me I came on board just as a speaker and that was it and it all kind of took off from there so to have speakers here from all all those kind of core issues of life I think is really exciting and I think the students here have been really amazing for exactly that reason you know it's establishing yourself as a man with your own identity and then bringing that out to the world and communicate it congruently how do you like the convention so far I love it and I love what it stands for more than anything what it means it's a sign of the times it's like the biggest one by far that we've had like the energy is incredible everybody who came here came here because they want to be part of history so far it's like this is obviously to a lot of people something that is very much needed they say it's lonely at the top it is indeed lonely at the top so the 21 convention it's not lonely not one man not one person because we're all growing if Anthony wants I mean he could end up on national networks talking about this and build yourself into the person this year so that you can be part of the new world we're going to be creating in the future it seems to be ironic that the the biggest criticism or the most common criticism levied at the 21 convention as a whole is its consistency but that's misperceived as being a dogma by many critics consistently they have talkers on exercise who come from a high intensity training perspective talkers on nutrition from a Paleolithic or an evolutionary perspective people who are talking on pickup on similar topics and philosophically and politically from a rational perspective from an objective style perspective and it's interesting that the fact that this is consistent is levied as a criticism because knowing Anthony personally he's a critical and active minded guy and when he finds something that he knows to be true based upon the evidence he's seen he'll consistently go with that idea and apply it congruently throughout his life and therefore throughout the convention but in the same respect I know from talking to him that he in the past has held completely counter ideas to this completely contradictory ideas and when presented with evidence that's undeniable that those ideas are false and that another set of ideas are true he's changed his ideas and that's shown through in the way the 21 convention has been presented at the moment you know Anthony is sure of the ideas he is presenting in the convention he's confident of them and therefore they're consistent I'm sure that if evidence came to pass that some of the ideas weren't entirely true he would spin on a dime and change them because it's not the ideas that he's being consistent with it's his perspective on reality and his adherence to it and his pursuit of the truth that he's being consistent to