 So we're here at Heros, so who are you? Hi, I'm Stefan Keitmeier, responsible for the business unit display and semiconductor and we are here displaying as the business unit the conducted polymer PDO. So, you're doing all kinds of products, so what does Heros do? So, Heros is a pretty historic company, it is now 160 years old, family owned and it's specialized in precious metals. 100, how much? 160. 160 year old company? So it started up with the technology of how to melt platforms and now it has diversified into many, many different business groups and this includes things like quartz glass, light sources, special light sources it includes metal parts but also know something like a polymer like PDOT blue liquid. So where are you from? So I'm from Germany, I'm located in the Cologne area in Leverkusen which is the former Bayer plant site. The former what? Bayer plant site. You know Asprin? Asprin? Bayer? Asprin? So we are located on the old plant site. And where is Heros? Only everywhere? Many places? The headquarters is in Hano, near Frankfurt. It has in total I think 125 locations. 125 locations. Alright, so we're looking at all kinds of different things and which parts do you work on? So I work on the conductive polymers and the conductive polymers basically are blue liquids which are used for coating and after coating they basically transfer into transparent conductive film and out of this conductive film we have to try to demonstrate over here we have nice objects which were made by partners from us on this conductive film they glued LEDs and what you can demonstrate is that the film really transfers the electrical current and the potential over here a little switch goes on, goes off and also it dims up, it dims down. So this is the price that you give out for the best of show awards right? Something like this, so basically these guys this demonstrator which was a very early one the intention was to attract people in links and that's actually what it does, it attracts people. People ask what is it and then we can explain all products. This looks great, so how soon are they going to be like furniture in IKEA like this or something? I would love to see this. Actually after making this demonstrator for us this company actually thought about buying a pick and place automatic and starting to sell this film. Buying what sorry? Buying an automatic, I mean this was handmade so somebody had to glue all this by hand on the film now using an automatic to glue the LEDs on the film. So automatically glue it? Yeah, that's a pick and place automatic. So they want to buy that and they want to make millions of these. So what are you showing right here? This one. What is this? So this is a little bit more realistic. This is a part you could find in a tablet computer. This is the touch panel and it locates the finger. And so you do many of these already? So with this principle we have already commercial, commercial devices out there. I would like to disclose who it is but unfortunately I cannot. So does this potentially go into flexible, unbreakable, plastic or where does it go? It's currently going into consumer electronics. And it could be glass, it could be... It's currently some sort of plastic device. Plastic device. It has some sort of curvature so it is using the special feature of PDOT meaning PDOT is flexible and can be easily shaped into different shapes without breaking. And so the mechanics of PDOT are definitely something which is unique for this column. So what do you think about the future of unbreakable phones and tablets and flexible and bending phones on purpose? I think basically two things. First of all I think people would like to have something different than just flat areas. They would like to have it shaped. What is currently done is shaping it two-dimensionally but having it a little bit more tridimensionally shaped is a clear challenge because then something like thermal molding is necessary and this is not possible with current materials. So you're talking about a tablet that has different heights and has a touch it and maybe you make a hole in it. And maybe like a touch screen which forms to my fingers. And that could give feedback. And best would be it can give you feedback. I mean this is definitely necessary if we think about an automobile where the driver has to look through the window screen and not through the touch screen. So you would put your hand under a special future tablet like massage your hand or it'll do something like it'll tell you where to go or something. Or maybe I mean it would show me there are certain buttons on the touch screen which I just feel I can't see. But maybe I can feel this is the yes button, this is the no button. I don't have to look at it. But you need some kind of motors or something inside to push this stuff out. What would that be? There are various technologies. Traditional vibrator which is already used in cell phones. Then there are, this can be done just mechanically. It can be done electrically. And there are also technologies out there which just use an electrical field to get a feeling into my finger. This is possible. It's also possible with our material but we haven't incorporated it in our devices yet. And this is just one thing, there's many things. Many things are possible. One thing I would like to show is very, very simple but it really shows you the principle. This is very simple. This is just one pixel touch switch. So I touch it and this will light up. I don't touch it, it goes on. There's nothing on the surface which is conductive. It's just sensing my finger by a capacitor. Just touching. Nice. And so this curvature is not possible with standard materials. Nice. That's cool. And a whole bunch of other demos are on here. Do you like this one? This is a smart window. So electrically I can switch it from opaque to transparent. It's totally opaque. It's totally opaque and this can be used for privacy. It's just made out of plastic. So it's a film. A couple of films that have been put together to drive this. This is the so-called PDLC technology. This is commercial. The film, the film is commercial. All right. So what do you think about the ID TechX? The show. I think it is great. We're having a lot of traffic at the booth. And we hope to make lots of contacts. I mean the main reason here for us is to make business.