 Hello, it's three o'clock, Brock. I'm Jake Badele with TinkTech, and this is TinkTech Tech Talks. That's because we talk about tech here on TinkTech Tech Talks. Say that five times fast, will you? Oh, I'd rather talk about rainbows. That's Steve Woosinger. He is the president, president and professor president of meteoric atmospheric science. That's correct. At Sowess, the School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology at UH Minoa. And Paul Sin, he's an inventor, and he invented something called rainbow stop. And we're here to talk about rainbow stop. Rainbow stop is an app that you pull down on your computer, your cell phone, and it tells you a lot about rainbows. And some people really want to know a lot about rainbows. But before we get to that, let's talk about what a rainbow is from a scientific point of view. I've been waiting for this conversation all my life. What is a rainbow? I think it's the weather's way of saying aloha. Very good. That's what a rainbow is. And rainbows basically are caused by sunlight coming from behind you and shining onto a rain shaft. And then all the individual raindrops collectively providing tiny little prisms that separate the colors and then paint this rainbow on the sky. It's a gorgeous phenomenon. Gorgeous phenomenon. There's plenty of them here in Hawaii. That's what I want to talk about. Okay, go for it. Well, we are the rainbow capital of the world. We have more rainbows and better rainbows than any place else. And that's something that there's a real opportunity, scientifically, to study that more. In fact, I was approached by a guy from France, a professor in France who wanted to come to Hawaii and do a sabbatical and study rainbows. And it kind of gave me an idea. Like, why don't we do a citizen science thing where we get people to take pictures of rainbows with their phone and send them to our website and then we can catalog it, the place, the time, the location. And from that, we can get a climatology of rainbows. Ah, what a wonderful idea. And then it spurs people on. They do make good photographs for sure. Yeah, they do. And it makes people go out and look for them or if they see one, they go, hey, I'll send that in. And it's a research project that I'm initiating at the University of Hawaii. Good. So just for reference, if anybody wanted to send in a picture of a rainbow to your site, what's the name of the site? Rainbowsstop.com. Ah, rainbows.org. Sorry. Org. Org, okay, really important. So what conditions do I have to have? Rainbows don't happen everywhere. I can't turn 360 and find less of rainbows. Certain conditions have to exist in order to make it happen. What are those conditions? Yeah, and that's where Hawaii is special. You need to have rain in one part of the sky and you need to have sunshine in another part of the sky. So what you really need is a small, compact cloud that is basically doing a dump and producing a lot of precipitation. Just in one place. A small precipitation. In one place so that it doesn't block the sun out everywhere. And it can't be heavy rain. It's got to be that special Hawaiian rain. It actually, that's okay. It can be heavy rain. It can be light rain. If there's a lot of droplets, you'll get a really nice bow. If the droplets are bigger, the bow does get a bit brighter, so heavy rain is good. That can be fine. Sometimes I see your rainbows that go from, you know, across the whole sky. They start apparently on the ground. They go right across to the big arc, you know, broad area covered, and then they go back to the ground again. That's really an ideal rainbow. That's the full tilt, Meghila. That's right. The full Monty, as they say. Yeah, yeah. How do you achieve that? Or how does nature achieve that? In lieu of a little wee rainbow, which is only in a small arc and it isn't touching the ground on either side. It depends on the distribution of the rain and the sunlight. Sometimes the sun is a little blocked on one side or sometimes you've got your little way from the mountains. The mountains are producing the rain, which is another way that Hawaii produces lots of rainbows. The rain shaft is hitting the mountain and so you can only see a short rainbow up on the mountain. If the rain is closer to you, then you get the full rainbow. If you're kind of immersed in the rain, but it's not raining too hard where you are because otherwise it blocks the sunlight, that's the best for getting a double rainbow. One other point, Steve, and that's this. You know, in this 21st century, we have more development. We have more, pollution may not be the right word, but we have more non-natural things happening in our very natural state of Hawaii. And I am wondering, be interested in your thought about it, that the number of rainbows is actually diminishing because of the effect of human habitation here with a million point three people. That could be something that we study. Once we get people to send in the rainbows, then we can study that. It's rainbostop.org. Correct. Send it in to Steve Boosinger, B-U-S-I-N-G-E-R and he will put it in his database and we'll see the result. Fabulous. Now you like rainbows, Paul. I'm a rainbow man. Rainbow man? Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. You are the rainbow man. You've called yourself a rainbow man. There is a symbol of a rainbow man I designed. It's a petroglyph on your arm, yeah. And this is a stamp for moonbow man. Moonbow. If we have a moonbow back there now, let's take a look at a moonbow. There it is. That's a moonbow. What in the world is a moonbow? Just wait, Steve. Gotta do this. Well, a moonbow is where the moonlight is causing the refraction and producing the bow. Same process. It's exactly the same process and actually it is caused by sunlight because a moonbow happens when you have a full moon and the full moon is reflecting the sunlight. So in essence, there are both sunlight. Yeah, both sunlight. And our eyes have evolved to love sunlight. We don't see as many moonbows as we do rainbows, yeah? Well, only once a month is a moon totally full and so when there's a new moon, you're not gonna have a moonbow. Okay, interesting. So already you're reducing the potential quite a lot. You know, this is like the green flesh. You know, as the sun goes down at the end of the day and then everybody says, if you watch it really carefully, you'll see the green flesh just as it drops below the horizon. I don't know if that's true or not. I personally have never seen the green flesh. I will send you a photo, Steve. Really? He has a very beautiful picture. Oh, that is very special. Wow, I would love to see that. But you can also go blind by staring at the sun so you have to be a little careful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So a moonbow is kind of, to me, like a green flesh because you don't see it much and you're happy to catch it. That's right, yeah. So back to Paul. So you're the rainbow man and also the moonbow man, both, you have the most little personality as it were. Do you want to hear how I got the idea for a rainbow? Well, first I want to just establish that you're an inventor and you spend your life thinking at two o'clock in the morning about inventions. Am I right? Yeah, not particularly two o'clock, but all day long, as long as I'm in Christ. And you're a, me too. And you're an engineer, yeah? Yeah. And that helps. Yeah. Okay, so with your engineering and your creativity, you invent, tell us some of the things you've invented in your life. I should say next time about what I invented it. But we don't have time for that now. How about the crystal putter? Oh, crystal putter. They can check out my, another website, theidhunter.com. I have a few items I invented, yeah. Okay. But today I want to talk about rainbow stuff. Rainbow stuff, yeah. Rainbow stuff is not only an app. Actually, we're going to have a sign like this and put park and beaches where people can pull their cars and watch the rainbow safely. And I believe if our app is developed and popular, TV stations on weather, whether the focusing time, they can tell to the audience where we're going to have a rainbow and how much chance we have. And also newspaper has a forecasting section. If they can... Oh, there's a beautiful rainbow, do you see that? Yeah, that's what I was talking about. The full Monty. Even in newspaper, they have a forecasting section and they only can put a little rainbow sign which means forecasting rainbow. It even decorate the newspaper. That's one step. And second step is like he said, the app. You're going to tell to the people where we're going to have a rainbow and when and how much percent of chance we have. So if I go to the app or the computer program, whatever it may be, it's going to give me what, a prognostication, a probability thing about where and when I can find a rainbow. It's still under development. But all the elements are there. The sun is easy to predict. We know when the sun's going to rise and when it's going to set and how high it's going to be. And the only other thing we need to predict is where the rainfall is going to be and can the sun get underneath the cloud. And so we can do that with a combination of satellite photos of the cloud distribution and radar, which gives us the rain. And then it's just an angle. And then... It's automated. It's all happening, it's automated. That part is all automated. You get the data from NASA, maybe? The NOAA. NOAA. Oceanographic. Sure. And then you have an algorithm that locates where the rainbow is likely to happen. But you have to make it personal. It doesn't help if you're telling a guy on Kauai that you're going to have a rainbow on the big guy. So to make it personal, your phone knows where you are. GPS. And so the app takes all the other data and integrates it with your location and tells you, ah, if I drive over to this park, I'll have a really nice view of the sky. And within 15 minutes, a rain shower is coming. And then the sun will be out. So a good chance of seeing a rainbow. So it's going to send you a message, a push message. Yes. And it's going to say, Jay, don't you understand? If you go to this park, you'd be able to see a rainbow. Get there. Got to go. Is that right? Got to go. That's the idea. Yeah, that's fabulous. And when you get there, you will see a rainbow. Yeah. What's the chance of success on this? Well, I think that, you know how the weather service says, OK, there's a 50% chance of rain today. There's an 80% chance. So sometimes there'll be greater chance and other times less chance. And hopefully the app will give you some idea. And it'll say something. It'll say 50, 80, whatever it is. Right, and it'll let you know also which place to go to. So, but let's say that a rainbow doesn't happen. You're in a park. You've got a beautiful view of the sky. The ocean's there. I mean, it's like. Not a bad time. It's a good thing. No, it's a good place to meditate and reduce your stress. And suppose the app could say that. The app could say you're at the park. I'm sorry there's no rainbow. But this is a good time for you to meditate and reduce your stress. That's right. That's right. Here's some thoughts for meditation. Or like Paul does, become an inventor. You know, when you're in a situation like that, it's a perfect place of kind of, even with a rainbow present, perfect place to invent something new. Yeah. Yeah. Communion with science. Yeah. Yeah. So how are you going to disseminate? How are you going to distribute this when it's done? Through the internet. And I believe when me finish a perfect app, I think it will bring lots of, lots of, lots of money to the state of Hawaii. How? The one of the main reason I really put myself in rainbow stuff is we have a great chance with my lips, pay for the rail. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. That's a cliffhanger. And you know what we did when we have cliffhangers? We take a break. We take a break. Watch this. Hello, and aloha. My name is Raya Salter, and I am your host for Power of Hawaii, where Hawaii comes together to talk about a clean and renewable energy future. I'm so excited to be here with you to talk about some of the most important energy issues of our day. And most importantly, who can we bring together? Energy engineers, artists, musicians, accountants, advocates, young people. Who can we bring together to talk about how we can make this path together by walking and reach 100% renewable energy? Please join me Tuesdays at 1 PM for Power of Hawaii. Aloha. I'm Reg Baker, the host of Business in Hawaii, the broadcast live every Thursday from 2 to 2.30. Today we were very fortunate enough to have Dr. Miller and her service dog, Muffin. We talked about the ADA, and we covered some of the different do's and don'ts of having service dogs in your establishment and how to sniff out the fakes. Please tune in for Business in Hawaii on Thursday to find out all about service dogs. Aloha. Picture. All of that is the full legilla. That is beautiful. Look at that. We can do that. So, we're going to pay for rail. Tell me how that works, Paul, because it's me I want to know and everyone wants to know. Yeah, I talk to the state, talk to the state, talk to the state. I think they don't have a year. Let me tell you how. Okay, first step, we're going to put the sign and tell the tourist there is a rainbow stock. You have a great chance of finding the rainbow. Second, we have an app and tell where the rainbow. Second step, what I haven't talked about is man-made rainbow. I want to take a boat, a fire boat to the Pearl Harbor where we have a memorial and shoot the salt water maybe 200 feet high. We will make a nice rainbow. One, two, three steps means all the tourists doesn't have a chance to run away from rainbow. A rainbow show. Fireworks. When tourists watch the rainbow, what do they do? Take pictures. Before that. Wow. Excited, sure. Take a picture. What do they do with your picture? Send it to their friends. There's a big advertisement for the state. One-on-one person you know with an eye witness. It would be cool if you could configure those fire boats in such a way so that when the water hit the clouds it said something like one of those signs up there and said come to Hawaii. Aloha. Is this possible? You can shoot it in such a way that you get parts of rainbows. You can shoot it to get a whole rainbow but you can also do parts of a rainbow. And so maybe with Morse code. You know, the ashes and dots. Spell it out. Jay, 2015 at Kanawha Air Show, I took two fire trucks at the airfield. We shoot the water. I made a beautiful rainbow. You can check YouTube, Manmade Rainbow Hawaii. You can find it. Well, with Manmade Rainbows, can I do what we saw on the screen a minute ago, you know, the full McGillar from Landpan all the way to Perfect Arch? Can I do that? I just have to have a lot of fire boats. Just want to do it. Yeah, only one enough. How many gallons per minute? We have the state of Hawaii tried to sell, the boat can shoot 7,500 gallons per minute, which is almost equal as 110 drums per minute. And they want to sell it. I tried to hold the boat to take it to the Pearl Harbor and make a rainbow. And every year there's 1.6 million tourists coming to Pearl Harbor. And we have a great chance to grab them and take a picture and send them for free. Yeah, yeah. Think about it. I'm figuring out this way. If we increase about 20% more tourists just showing the rainbow, I'm talking about subliminal perception. Okay. Equal $3 billion per year. Is that enough for the real? There's another one. See the thing is that we could actually popularize the fact that we have this. People know but it's only incidental knowledge. We can really go for it. But let me ask you though. The composition of seawater is not the same as the composition of rainwater, right? There's all kinds of different mineral composition, mineral elements in the seawater that you don't find in the rainwater. That's true. Does that make for a different kind of rainbow? What ends up happening, the important thing is that the salt in the seawater is dissolved. So it's not like table salt. It's actually a liquid in there. And once the water gets sprayed, there's surface tension that takes the water and turns it into small droplets. The surface tension naturally turns it into small droplets. And at that point, it's perfect for making a rainbow. It makes no difference whether it's saltwater or freshwater. Okay, so there's nothing air-sots about using salt water here. In fact, you know, you have more control of it. You know that fire boat? Time and angle, everything. 7500 gallons a minute or whatever it was. You can't do that on land so well. No, it's going to be a water flood. And one more thing. He know and I know but most of the general public doesn't know and we look at the rainbow from the air. It's going to be round. Circle. Yeah. There's no ground. So it just falls around. And so you get a complete circle. From above, from an airplane. Right. 360 degree bow. Well, I suppose you could have a small plane go up there and right on top of it and that would be some incredible photography, wouldn't it? Yeah. So I'm trying to shoot a circle rainbow by drone. You're going to fly the drone and shoot the circle rainbow video clip. It's going to come up pretty soon. At sea. This would be at sea. No, no, any place. Any place. Any place. Perfect. You're blending, you're marrying the technologies. Yes. And that could come on the Rainbow Stop app too, couldn't it? Yes. So you have the pictures come in. The celebration of rainbows in all directions. So what's the business model? How much is it going to cost me to get in on this? Because I want to help you raise that. What is it, billion dollars to help rail? Actually not raising the money. All the tourists come in and spend the money for the state. Oh, you're increasing tourism. Yeah, all going to get rich. How about you? Are you going to get rich? Well, you're already rich. There was that putter. I got more than putter. I got crap scissors all kind. Okay. I've been in business all my life and never have paid checks so far. Okay, all right. So, I mean, so, but you will charge something. This is not a free app. We're still thinking about it. Thinking about it. Yeah. Okay, this is very interesting. This is a new, and I was saying, gee whiz, this could be very disruptive because you could push data about all kinds of things. And you would tell me in the break there is already a program that pushes data about likelihood of rainstorm, yeah? That's correct. And I think the app initially is going to be for free because we're starting this as a nonprofit and at the university level, we like doing research and we don't charge the general public for the research we do. It's a service to the community. Sure. In this case, it would be a really important one. Yeah, I think it's a nice service to the community. But you're absolutely right. I mean, the technology is here. We have information on where the rainfall is going to be falling from radar and we can track it so we know how it's moving and we have information on where the clouds are and where the sun is going to be shining. So, it's not that difficult. You know, there's one other thing that's a come full circle on this. You were talking about getting photographs of people of rainbows so you could do some research on that data. Yeah. So, if I get a push and it says, J, there's an 80% likelihood there's going to be a rainbow at this beach, go there and take a look. Now I go there. And it is either there or it is not there. But you should ask me, is it there, J? Are you watching the rainbow? Because we're doing research here at UH and we need to know confirmation that there is or is not a rainbow where we predicted the other one. Yeah, that feeds back in to make the app better and it gives us the probability information that we need. Improve your predictions. You know, later on when it's getting popular maybe TV station will put the camera where there's a lot of rainbow and forecast that on time live rainbow on TV. Sure. Manoa or Pali and wherever we have a good rainbow place we can put the camera and live the rainbow show on TV. Yeah, yeah. But this takes me to a thought though that sometimes you know when you're watering your lawn in the back of your house and you have this fine mist going up you have your own rainbow. Yeah. And so what you guys might consider as an accessory use here is the possibility of a rainbow machine, sort of a scaled down version of those fire boats where I can put a certain device in my backyard and know that I'm going to have a rainbow. Turn it on and I got a rainbow. That's a great idea and it reminds me of, I went to Los Angeles too and I think it was a Keck museum but I can't remember for sure. But what they had was a dark wall, looked like lava rock and in front of it they had a spray, a fine misty spray and it was done. First to land back. Yeah, but it produced a beautiful rainbow. It was an installation that had that in mind. Isn't that something? People would go for that. I know they would. There's a fellow in the Netherlands also who has a great big piece of plexiglass that is in the shape of a prism and he takes what's like a lighthouse, Fresnel lands super strong light and he shines it through this prism and he projects it on the walls of buildings and white barns in the countryside in the Netherlands. It's a form of natural art. Natural art, yeah. Well, this is all kind of natural art, isn't it? You're looking for the art of nature. The picture we have on background, yeah? That's from Big Island, Moonbow with the lava. Well, it's all beautiful, Paul and Steve and if you're a rainbow man then you're a rainbow scientist, correct? Okay, and it's a great marriage between you for this and, you know, you start out with an app but where will this go? This is only the beginning. That's right. We're going to pay for the real. We're going to pay for the real. Thank you, Steve. Thank you. Thank you very much for coming down, you guys. Pleasure to be here. There's a rainbow.