 Do you think it's respect to cut their throat? I want us to be a vegan. That would be Haram? Yeah. KFC, we can't trust them. Torturing these animals, putting a halal stamp on it, selling it to Muslims. Nothing godly about that. This is what happens in slaughterhouses. This, they're trying to escape. Do you think it's funny? No. Do you think it's funny? This is just automatically halal. Why? You're bringing the cruelest way. How is it cruel if you don't care? If there is a God, and they know we're doing this, and they knew that we knew, we didn't do nothing about it, then we'd be judged. It's quite bad, isn't it? Have you seen this before? Do you know what it is? This is our animals are treated in the UK for meat, dairy, eggs. Where are you from? Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan? Kazakhstan is a Muslim country, I think. This is a gas chamber here. They put the pigs in this gas chamber. They've got CO2 gas in there, and they suffer. They eat pigs. Yeah, you're Muslim? Muslim? Both Muslim? We're not just speaking up for pigs. We are basically showing people what happens in farms in abattoirs, slaughterhouses, or otherwise known as a murder factory, asking people not to pay for it, right, really? So, chickens? Chickens, okay. Chickens come from... Exactly, I know. That's fine. I see chickens, too. It's all got eight chickens for 26 years, man. Do you see chicken free time today? I like it. Yeah, I used to like the taste of it, but then I've seen what happens to chickens, right? Nowadays, they're selectively bred to grow like four times faster than they did in the 50s, so they grow so big they can't support their own body weight. So they break their legs, and they splay their legs, and they lay on the ground in the factory farms. Tell me about a little bit how an animal is supposed to be treated in order for it to be halal. So obviously, we can't torture them with anything. We just have to make sure when they're sacrificed, if you don't torture them. Like, I heard that there's some people that let you kill animals for some reason. We can't actually do that. We just have to make sure when we're sacrificing them, they treat it quite well. Execute, elective. That's all right, me and it. They can't see each other be slaughtered. They have to use a super sharp knife. They have to say a prayer. Yeah, if you have to say a prayer. Bismillah, is it? How's the ship? Bismillah. They slash their throat open and let them bleed out on the floor. It's a pain. There is pain when you slip throat. There is pain. When you have a knife and you cut your skin, there is pain. If you do quick, there's still pain. When you choke on blood, there is suffering. They do stun halal animals here, do you know that? So only a certain percentage of sheep are non-stun halal. So in the UK here, you're getting sheep that have been electrocuted. And chickens are also electrically bathed here in the UK because slashing the throat. RSPCA investigated causes very long suffering up to a minute. They've made it a requirement that they stun halal animals here. It's quite bad, isn't it? They're respecting them. Do you think it's respect to cut their throat? Is this respect? I don't understand, I guess. I don't understand respect. Can Muslims eat halal? No, but I know what halal slaughter is. I speak to Muslims all the time. There's two discussions to be had. One, what about how they're raised in a farm? Most people don't get to see that part. What if they're caused suffering and torture in the way that they're raised? That would be haram? Yeah. How is chicken from a factory farm in the UK? And I say this to all Muslims, not just you kids. Yeah, but what about the way they're raised? They've been caused cruelty. They're raised under debt. They're raised in a factory farm and they're caused suffering, which is not halal. In the UK here, and when there's industrial animal agriculture, they're going to be causing cruelty to the animals, yeah? And you can never be in there to watch them be slaughtered because they're having behind closed doors, yeah? Chickens, for example, they're all factory farmed here in the UK, 100%. And they take those birds in a truck to a halal slaughterhouse. And it's behind closed doors. You know what's going on in there? Yeah, that's true. I mean, we've got some footage from the halal slaughterhouses and they're being slaughtered in front of each other, blood spraying out everywhere, terrible, terrible. So you can never be certain. You go in these places, you leave cameras and what comes out is this is what happens in slaughterhouses. This, they slash their throat open, they're flailing around, they're fully conscious, trying to breathe. I've been in a halal slaughterhouse before. Me. Is it the team? It was worse. It was horrible. Even if you did a traditional, perfect halal method, is that justified when we don't need to nowadays? The halal standard, when was this written? Is it 1500? When? It is. At the time of the prophet, right? Things were so different, man. Things have changed, haven't they? Like the world has progressed back then, they don't have a technology, do they? So they deal with what they have and what they have a sharp knife. What they thought of, what is the best way we can do this without causing the least amount of suffering? And it's like, don't let the animals see each other, things like that, really sharp knife. They didn't have a gun. Now that we've progressed, we've had technology, we have alternatives, we have vegan food for alternatives, we don't have to actually sacrifice animals now. So these days, how do we justify it? Even in the eyes of God, considering all this suffering is happening and it's needless now. What would be the most compassionate thing to do? If you have a choice, why would we choose to kill them? I understand if you've got no option and you have to kill someone, you have to kill an animal, then you want to do it respectful as possible, yeah? Yes. But if you have a choice between plants and halal slaughter, why not choose plants? You want us to be a vegan also. Yes, but because I don't want this to happen to the animals. We don't have to survive by doing this and we can thrive being a vegan. Why wouldn't we just be a vegan? It's the most compassionate choice, yeah? Because you all get as much nutrition as you do when you eat chicken and meat. What do you think is in chicken? Do you get nutrition? What kind of nutrition? Yeah, you get nutrition, but what is it? The kind of nutrition you can't get from plants? From beans and legumes and tofu and vegan meat and... Vegan means not the same as meat. Name a vitamin that you'd be concerned with. Vitamin... I don't know, I'm not a budget... That's all right, brother, no, you don't know. You don't know, you're not a scientist, you know. The only thing probably would be vitamin B12 or something. Yeah, that's the... I need vitamin B12. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do you think you should get it? Do you think you should get it from a supplement or do you think you should stab a chicken to death for it? What do you think is a better option? You get more of it when you use chicken. Ah, you get more of it from a supplement. You can dose it correctly as well. Isn't that longer? It's easier, just take a supplement once a week or once every couple of days? Yeah, it's longer to make that supplement. Take two seconds to walk in the shop and buy it. And anyway, like a lot of plant-based foods, four to five with B12, and you know, they give B12 supplements to chickens anyway, so you're just really eating a recycled supplement when you eat a chicken, because they're in factories, aren't they? They're not actually on the soil getting B12 from the ground and... How do you get fruit here? Yeah, yeah, that's just a question. Show me your arm? Show me your arm? OK, so you reckon... Where do I get my protein? Fill my arm? You've been training for a long time. Fill my arm? No, I haven't. No, I haven't. Ah, well... I should have no arm, should I? If I didn't have protein, I should have no arm, right? Should be no muscle-connected arm. Should all have, like, dissolved. I've been vegan nearly 10 years. All nine essential amino acids are found in all plant foods. So even lettuce will have all the amino acids, but it will just be low on protein, so you can get beans, legumes, tofu, seitan, which is super high on protein, actually. It's, like, 80% protein, seitan. What do you think of the mocha meats in, like, McDonald's? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good stuff. Good. Go for it. I don't like McDonald's. Who goes into McDonald's for health? Do you? Do you go, oh, man, I want a mac-as for my health? Do you go into mac-as because you want a burger? True? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you want a vegan burger, you don't go, oh, it's not healthy. But I think it's... Yeah, trust me. You know it needs to be a bit... And just, like, how many love that one and can't eat it's a bit different. Then why do you go into mac-as to begin with? I don't. I love some food. You don't? He doesn't. So you must be healthier. You don't eat junk food ever? Never in my life, never. Yeah. You know, before he came here, I was going to go to McDonald's and get him. Wait a second, does McDonald's have halal meat? Fish off of it, yeah. Hard of fish. So let's talk about fish then, because do you believe fish feel pain? Yeah. Well, fish are tortured. Have you seen those big trawling boats that drag up a little fish in a big net and then they drop them, they take them out of the ocean, which causes them suffering because they're suffocating? Imagine having, like, a thousand of your friends just squashing you on top of a boat. That's what happens to fish, and they suffer and die on the deck of a boat or they get chucked into ice and all they get skinned and gutted while still conscious. I've seen that happen, too. Fish suffer on boats all the time. They suffer to death, they get dragged out by big nets, but this is just automatically halal. Why? Our fish caused suffering before they're killed. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm not fishing. Well, they can only breathe in water. Okay. When we take them out of the water, do they suffocate? Yeah. Do you buy a fillet of fish? Has that fish suffered? Yes. Okay. So if suffering is against halal guidelines, how come fish is halal? I didn't know it was the fish halal, I'm gonna eat it. But how is that halal? I don't feel for fish. So if I had a fish here and I was sticking a hot iron in their eyeball, you wouldn't feel, like, bad about it? Yeah, I'm not real. Okay. Would you? Yeah. Would you tell me, hey bro, stop, that's... What are you doing that for? That's not... Would you tell me, stop? Yeah, I would. Okay. Is that how we killed it? No, I'm just asking him if he would care. You said you don't care about fish. About the way you do it. Okay, exactly. So you care? Yeah. You'll bring in... You don't care? You'll bring in the cruelest way. How is it cruel if you don't care? Okay. You said you don't feel for fish, so why is it cruel? They're trying to escape. Do you think it's funny? I don't know. Do you think it's funny? We're not laughing. No, I'm asking. Some people do think it's funny. Some people laugh because they don't care. That's why I'm just genuinely... That's not why we laugh. Because I've been doing it for years, like, and some people do genuinely don't care. So that's... It's true. Do you care? Do you care about animals? Do you? Yeah. Some people just don't care about animals. Because they don't have empathy. I went vegan because I don't want to pay for this. When a fish eats another fish, don't they suffer? Yeah. Animals do lots of horrible things to each other, but we don't act like animals, do we? Should we eat each other because fish eat each other? No, but fish are different humans. Exactly, but should we act like animals act? You can't stop every single fish from eating. I'm just talking to you two. I'm not talking to fish. Who cares what we naturally are? Really. It's inhuman nature to kill each other. Yeah. It kills you entire family. I'm 100%. Watch me. Watch me defend my family with a gun and shoot someone in the head straight away if they try to touch my family, right? That's justified, right? Are you for real? I'm pro self-defense, even with violent force, 100%. But that's what I would call justified. But what we do to animals, they're innocent. They did nothing wrong. They didn't hurt anyone. They're not trying to attack my family. They're vulnerable beings. That's unjustified. Even in a halal stamp, right? So you go and you look for something halal, right? It's going to KFC. This is a halal KFC, right? Or I go in a supermarket and see a halami. Go to a halal butcher, right? You don't know anything else except you trust the butcher. You trust KFC. I shit KFC. You can't trust them. You know, they're torturing these animals, putting a halal stamp on it, selling it to Muslims. And then because there's stamps on it, I think that everything's fine now. I think even if you ask them, do I have to tell the truth, will they? Of course not, it's a business as well. You've got to remember, money's involved now. These animals are not just food, they're money. They're products. And this is God's creation. If God is all compassionate, all loving, there's nothing loving about this. Now, these animals have been, they've been taking away from their original form and they've been selectively bred to grow really fast or to be meat producers, you know, to produce milk and dairy and eggs and things like this. Those animals get slaughtered non-halal. They get caused suffering. And these are considered automatically halal. But there's all this suffering entailed by them, you know? Like, look at this. Cannibalism happens in, like, subiquitous. It's happening everywhere. You were walking to these sheds, right? There'll be a sea of animals, right? There's tens of thousands in there. You walk and there's one suffering to death, one dying on their face, one getting pecked alive by other chickens. They take them birds. Halal slaughterhouse, halal stamp. Nothing godly about that. What does a bird do? It just flies and sh** from people. What does a baby do? A baby can grow. A baby can grow? What if the baby had terminal illness and they were going to die within a year? What does a baby do? Should we kill him? Eat him? But they're all the same. Do you have to do something in order to have your life respected? Not really. Like, if I had a bird here, they would experience pain, they can experience well-being. If they get some food, they feel happy, they feel content. They have their own, like, experience of the world. And it might not be the same as ours, but it's their own. They're not, nobody. They might not be intelligent. You're not as intelligent as some people, too. I'm not as intelligent as Elon Musk. But that doesn't mean our lives are worth different. So what matters more, intelligence or sentience in terms of morality? Intelligence. Intelligence? So I should have more rights if I'm smarter than you, yeah? Totally, yeah. So I should have more rights than all of you? Yeah, because we have more rights than all of us. I'm smarter than you because you're not vegan. Yeah, well, he's better, he's better. I'm smarter than you because you're not vegan. You know, there's a eggplant there. Have you tried the eggplant from McDonald's? If there's an option that doesn't involve animals, why not eat that? The eggplant? Like, it doesn't taste good. The eggplant? Why not a eggplant? It doesn't taste the same. Yeah, but you think? I enjoy eating that. It's a pleasure, because you taste this pleasure, yeah? Like, I get a... I like it. I like it. Does that justify the suffering? Okay, so taste doesn't justify suffering? Killing. Well, there you go. So you can't say it tastes good, but that's why you do it, but I'm not saying... I'm asking if that's justified. So you'd cut out your pleasure to... You'd risk your pleasure to... To help someone or animals? Animals, yeah. To not kill animals. Yeah. No, of course. That doesn't matter to me. I still get pleasure, I still get... I can get the eggplant, it tastes good. I can go get vegan ice cream, vegan this, vegan that. It's different opinions of what it's going to... Some people... Exactly. I would change my taste if it means that animals don't get tortured and killed. I change my taste. Some people are more, like, hard on to different animals' feelings. Yeah, I'm just asking if it's right or wrong. I don't think it's wrong, but it's your choice at the end of the... Exactly, you have a choice. So why would you choose to be cruel when you can be a vegan? I value my pleasure more than animals. Animals' lives. At least you're honest. Do you value your pleasure more than animals? Okay. Can't change everyone. I can only make you think... I don't think you can do anything. You can't stop me eating non-halal, right? Which is against your religion. But what you do is you eat halal, right? So you're responsible for your actions, is what I'm saying. So you can be a vegan, Muslim, which is permissible. And it's safer. And it's completely fine. Now, I understand, like, it's permissible to eat meat and you can't go against God and you can't go against your religion or things like this. But you can be a vegan Muslim. Do you have vegan Kazasan? Yes, my father is a vegan. Your father is a vegan? Wow! Why? He doesn't like eating animals because of this. Respect. Respect, is he Muslim? Yeah. There is a God, right? And they know we're doing this. And they knew that we knew. We didn't do nothing about it. Then we'd be judged. The day you meet God, you can say, look, I did what I thought was right. I didn't feel this was right, you know? Yeah. It's my last one. So it just shows you, like, vegan restaurants, where to eat. You don't have to worry. It's always, vegan is always hello unless it has alcohol. You don't have to worry. So that was informative. It's good talking to you, brother. It's good talking to you. Take care. See you later.