 podcast was round table round 128 the no title round. I just I didn't have time to make a title who's got time for titles I mean, it's not like they're searchable or anything. So who cares, right? Reminds me of the old Joe Walsh had an album called you bought it. You name it. So You're listing you name it. That's right. I know you paid a lot for this round. So Expectations are not being met. I apologize Greatly for that, but we have some good stories. We have one new round table as of now Maybe the other one will jump in we'll find out time zones may have bit us in the backside We're trying to keep the international vibe vibe going on, but let's get to the round table is Dave co-host welcome back Yeah, Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting calm Celebrating 14 years of podcasting with my buddy Ray and hosts way tonight. So looking for a good time. That is amazing You are just about as old as podcasting almost Missed it by a couple months. So yeah, and now we know why Dave has failed in podcast. He was too late. It's too late It's it Can you start a show in 2019 and still succeed? No, you needed to start in Alright, anyone anyone who's watching this Will not take that seriously at all. Hopefully not. Yeah, I've new people be like, oh wow. I am too late I missed it. Yeah. Yeah, maybe when we get the same number of podcasts as we have blogs then we could be like Yeah, we get so far to go on that one. All right new round table or hose way hosts way Look at me screwing that up. I tried to say it fast. I should have slowed down Welcome to the round table. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Also a cardona from geek therapy comm geek therapy. Yeah, I um Your stuff sounds good. I always want a new round set of what comes on. I go to check it out And I'm trying to remember you have a bunch of stuff there, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it started like like most of us, right? It started as one podcast seven years ago so like half of Dave's Time and eventually that grew to like there's 24 content creators on the network now We're dying. I'm around 13 shows I call them projects now because I try to encourage people to stop thinking of long-term Shows and be like, listen, do you want to do like a 10 episode season of something? Let's experiment. Let's do something new So we're up to 13 published on like five In the works that'll be out by the end of the year. So, you know, I kind of like that idea like projects, right? I mean because it I mean Dave we were chatting at the beginning I don't know we made a joke about starting and how you're gonna create a group of people who just hadn't quite started yet Yeah, but the the pot the almost podcasting round table. Yeah, but um, You know that is sometimes the limitation is it gets too overwhelming or I don't have time to like start to show that I can't miss an episode on right like for two years from now I'm gonna still be podcasting but if you if you sort of couch it as this 10 episode project Then someone might either gets a good chance to even figure out. Oh, you know what? I I want to keep going Right and I don't think anyone who listens that would be opposed to the you keeping going, right? So that's a good idea I like that So with the network So you started it and it grew into a network Yeah, yeah, I but by the time I had three shows I said, let me just put them all together because they were kind of born one out of the other So then I just started calling it the geek therapy network and then Someone from our community contacted me and said hey, can we join the network? I was like, whoa I didn't even think of that I got I was just my thing but yeah, that would be great and so A lot of what I do is behind the scenes encouraging people anytime anybody's like, I really wish I could do a podcast I'm like you can and then we try to share resources and I try to help them out and it's a lot of just encouraging Yeah, you you are you are part-time Podcaster and full-time life coach is what happens when you start a network pretty much pretty much. Yeah That's cool though. I mean with you said you had three shows that you combined to what are you saying that all three Shows just became one show. Oh no the first three shows once we had three shows. I was like, oh, let's let's call it a network Let's not just say my three independent shows got you so all under the same umbrella network umbrella because they were they had a similar niche Yeah, yeah, and then all right So these aren't in the stories, but anytime I find someone's running a network has been doing it for, you know, seven years It's a good conversation point. So um, are you monetizing that network? uh Yes and no the patreon is doing enough to cover the cost of the network And then we've done some sponsorship tests So far so like at a discount with you know to just get people started We have some merch that we sell so it's not a lot But definitely more than probably more than I ever imagined we'd make so what are the costs of a network? so, uh Like I do a vps to host all the websites and they're all on wordpress and they all do power press and then We're like a lot of the projects are independently produced. So even though we're under the same banner We some of us share resources and some of us don't so some people host their own files on their own pod bean Some people Don't like some people I use a cast account for a few shows some people use their own cast account to record and edit So it's kind of a mess. It's a it's a little bit of everything. It depends on how much anybody needed All right, like somebody who needed 100 support then we're sharing resources from the main show But uh, it's it's a beautiful mess. I was gonna say it's not a mess It's a diversification your that's it. Yeah. Yeah All right, cool. Well, hey if anyone has interest in starting a network. It sounds like host way could help you out with At least his experience. That's what we do here. We just see that's the key like I don't know I don't know if one of your shows is a show about podcasting But most people do not have a show where they can share podcasting tips. Although I feel like any kind of Geek related show you do end up having some conversation about gear or you know, the stuff we were into but um, yeah Hopefully we can bring people on to share those tips. But yeah, definitely get in touch with him if you're interested I don't run a network. Dave. Did you ever try to be a network with your mass of shows? Not a real network. No, I mean I have the I have the power of podcasting network But the only reason I made that is when people would go Well, how many shows do you have and I didn't expect them to remember eight different Addresses and I just go just go to power of podcasting.com. You'll see them all there. So that's really the only reason I do that and I play a little jingle now at the beginning of my shows So if somebody because some people just don't know I do yeah somebody different shows and in Not a ton, but on occasion someone will go. Oh, I finally went over and I now I'm listening to this show Or I like this show. So it's just a little bit of cross promotion, but it's I've never You know really super duper cross promoted It's just a little jingle here and there and that's really the only reason I have it is so if somebody says Where can I find all your stuff? It's like oh power of podcasting.com Yeah, I think it's important because it is amazing How long you can listen to maybe one show and not realize they do other shows unless They say it. I mean then I think still the number one way people find new podcasts is that it's It's a podcast mentioned on another podcast you're already listening to right and so yeah I mean that is one of the powers of a network is to be able to Share cross promote your other shows in the network and help them grow And I think the audience digs it because if it's under that same niche umbrella, then It's probably stuff that they might be interested in so you definitely Um, it is a good interesting way to do it. I've had a few shows Running at once and I put everything under like look if you want everything and that includes youtube And like just all the places I put content and it doesn't even necessarily mean it's a podcast. It's just under ray or tega Um, so myself so it's not a network But it is it is a good idea to have A place you can send someone to get sort of all your stuff because as you can see start a podcast Or two it is my fault. Dave. I was watching an old episode where you blame me for Make multiple people having multiple podcasts and you're right. I don't think I took ownership enough ownership at the time Well, you mentioned that though, but I remember when I first started I had my podcast for musicians and then I started the school of podcasting and I would have people that would say Oh, i'm listening to your musicians podcast. I'm like, oh cool. What do you play? And they're like, oh, I don't I just I think you're funny and I like the way you talk and I'm like, what? So Yeah, so people will will just go to listen to you just because they like you so for sure. I when I Discovered I discovered podcast by the way if you didn't know that when I discovered it for myself I was one of the first shows I was just telling the story to someone like in real life not this virtual box with him Uh that one of the first shows I listened to was a like an ultralight Backpacking podcast where they would podcast up and down like the the pacific crest trail or whatever these long hikes They would take and I had no plans to do this I had never been interested in it before Some reason I love listening to the podcast So it goes to to the fact that you you can't really predict what someone's going to like so Put it out there if you're doing other stuff find a way to cross promote it On the podcast that you are already doing like if you have more than one Find a tie in and promote it on your podcast because I think that word of mouth that that is the way This is the way you see huge networks do this right like gimlet will put a show right in the feed Yeah, um a whole show because they are playing off the success they had of One show I think gimlet exists because start-up was a freak accident Blow-up show right like I loved it everyone loved it and then they built on top of it I don't think they expect to do that Yeah Well, I think it was what there was this american life And then alex was part of planet money and somehow those two ganged up to launch start-up And then of course the other thing that that doesn't hurt is when all of your friends in the media Help There's obviously a lot more factors there I mean, but the key there is he was doing start-up to document the process of starting a network Or or like his own company of podcasting But they got lucky and then that's sort of behind the scenes thing was the thing that caught on And I think it drove I think it drove most of their other success because it's just weird like Who knows what would have happened if he didn't record the behind the scenes? Which is what kind of went viral and got picked up because it was different You're like, oh, we're hearing this start-up as it's being formed um And I really think they kind of they got lucky even with their Their their assets of being able to be promoted on mpr or or you know this american life or something You know their first show might have not landed the way the other show was but they certainly took advantage of it And built and made sure you knew what other shows were on the network And every time, you know, we see this across other networks as well. They when they launch a new show they definitely Push all right, so let's get to a story. I'm gonna let you Discuss that Dave. Why don't you give us a story? Maybe we want to host ways and we'll I'll try to get heather in here Because yeah, heather is in the chat room. Yeah. Yeah, so you work on a story Yeah, so hosai you you have one here. Uh, let me copy this. I'll put this in the chat room about Meet the people who listen to podcast crazy What are they defined as crazy fast? whoo, that's uh anywhere from 2x and up speed so Oh, I really want to talk about this one. By the way, I have to I have to enter. I I'm a um, I'm a purist in this form. I have my wife all the time. It drives me insane I'm one times for life, baby. Go on Really? Yes, you insane people. I don't know what you're doing, but you're changing. It's like watching a movie on fast forward It makes no sense. You're losing all context. I just hit my mic arm. I'm crazy about this. So I won't go there I was so crazy. It's gonna make a t-shirt about it Just like the one Dave's wearing you nothing to do with corners, which is an interesting hashtag But if you if you're not watching this what you should be pod casters round table on youtube So youtube.com slash podcasters round table You should subscribe and watch at least check in Dave's holding up a shirt that says hashtag corner talk Yes, darin dake does the corner podcast corner talk and if you like um CSI stuff, uh, darin is an actual corner and talks about all sorts of gruesome Uh dead stuff if you ever wondered about the power of podcasting and being niche They that you found it man. That's it which I love like you're not gonna serve that audience on discovery channel Maybe one episode but not a whole podcast. I interrupted one time for life. Go ahead. I just I I mean as I look I'm listening to mark maren at 2x And depending on and it's not always a reflection, but there are sometimes the The more likely I am to not really get much out of the podcast the more likely I am to listen at a faster Rate because I'm more or less skimming in the same way that I would skim a blog I am skimming that but then there are other times I just listen fast because either a in some cases the person just talks Really slow and at 2x they sound normal Or I know life does this they sound everyone sounds drunk You're ruining the experience people like you're you're you're making life hyper real. It doesn't exist that way It strikes me crazy. Good topic. Hostway. Yeah, I mean, but I look at this Go ahead. Well as I look at this I have 136 episodes waiting for me to listen That's another reason why I'm listening at 2x, but host way. What's your you said? You're very passionate about this So let it rip. I am I don't I actually I listen to almost every episode of this show But I never watch it live because I rather listen to it at 2.5x afterwards And I like that with most things 2.5 is my sweet spot. That is so fast. I am so scared to know what I sound like at 2.5 It's gotta be chipmunk crazy city, man So to me it sounds Well, this article is actually really great because they talk to a neuroscientist who says that like your brain just adapts You've trained your brain. Yes, of course. Yeah, it's like it's super fast though Like when I hear you at 2.5x on my headphones, you sound to me like you sound now That's crazy. Like you're like, yeah, it is just to like adjust my voice to me. That's crazy Yeah, what's what's fun is when you go to bed And the last thing you listen to was like at 2.5 And then you wake up in the morning and you hit play And it's like you don't understand a single saying it just sounds like I hope you dream at 2.5 and it really messes you up You can have more dreams. I don't know one time me and my girlfriend were listening to the same exact podcast episode And she was listening to it at 1.5x on a speaker in the kitchen And I was listening to it on my headphones as I came home And I asked her what are you listening to and she told me and I was like, oh, we're listening to the same exact thing But the but I I didn't realize it because she was at 1x and I was at 2.5 And I vary like audiobooks. I can go up to three 3x depending some if someone speaks faster, I'll lower it a little But yeah, like I can't I don't usually listen to anything at at 1x So what else does the article say about this besides we train our brains adapt, which is I don't well it says that um It says that marco armin. He says that on Overcast only about 1% of people use to 2x speed or higher which So you're in the majority it leaves faith for me in humanity with these people not going crazy Well, here's the thing here that will go up to 10x. I mean it's an interesting article Yeah, holy cow. Well, I found there's a chrome extension That a lot like I watch game of thrones at 1.4. I watch a lot of netflix at 1.3 watch shows I've done it. I've done it. Oh the other the other night. I have the extension called ruin my life I Take all the artistry out of my stock all the artistry out of my content. Yes But it's funny because when I go to The when I go to my actual living room and watch things on an actual tv I'm like, oh, this is so slow. I can't take it I know. Yeah. Okay. So I Super heather is in there. I think I responded. I sent heather a link to myself Man, it didn't didn't work out at all. I'm so sorry heather. Welcome to the round table. Hi. Thank you so much for having me Although I'm late. Sorry. No, you're not late. You're late because of me So I think you're just in time because I think you were in the chat adding to this conversation I'm gonna turn you do you have the ability to turn yourself up a little bit or not? Okay, if you bring yourself up a little I think That'll help. Yeah, and I'm gonna make some adjustments here on the back end So if you see me turning you up ever if you're on the round table and you see me playing with your levels Ignore it. Everything's gonna be okay Um and heather can you move your camera over a little bit because when it goes to a little square I lose I lose you. It's weird when she talks. She's fine. It's because it's like 16 by 9. Yeah Anyways, there we go. And then heather. Where where are you? What's your podcast? sunshine and power cuts The name of it sunshine and power because that's sunshine and power cuts.com or that's it. Yeah So what is okay? So I don't know what that means by the name of it So which is a topic we should let's just let's do round table stuff and just divert And go with what comes up. Right. I want to know more about that. First of all, what's the podcast about? It's about living off the grid in new zealand. So the simplest definition was it's about sunshine and power cuts I rely on solar power for power got it. Well, see I'm not intelligent. So I didn't pick up on that But now it makes total sense. So I when you list that and say your feed or apple podcast wherever that shows up Do use um, how do you make it clearer and then optimize for the keywords because someone's probably not searching For those maybe not those two keywords. I don't know. How do you optimize so that people find you or are you? They would have to kind of know what they were looking for. So yeah, it's tricky. It's not easy The tags I use are like off grid and things like that in the background But yeah, it's sunshine and power because it's not something someone's going to type in specifically unless they already know what they're looking for She has a cue to you and it sounds fantastic. I I've used the um, I have that fairly expensive metal pop screen I think I don't know if yours is expensive But it's typically more expensive than the the average like nylon one you get And I've never used it because for me This is an interesting thing for me It creates a whistle because my voice is stupid. I guess and as I my s's go through metal It whistles like it's crazy, but it sounds great on you. So Congrats. Thank you. Good setup And and she has a windscreen on top of that. So don't be afraid of plosive protection people Like that is like that's so important. I think so anyways Dave little time for a little coaching here, Dave What would you say to heather to make sure her show is optimized? You know This is common people don't always want to pick a title and there's not enough titles left To be able to be so like in your face and and apple gives us a limited ability to Have our show be found right through search and we used to be then we we just got in trouble And this is a weird thing because I don't think they're actually punishing people We just got in trouble for putting sort of descriptors Right subtitles in our in our title tag Do you want to do an impromptu coach and tell her and Help us figure out how we're going to take a title that is not in your face And make sure it's found Well, I would definitely have The phrase See it's tough because well, no she could have like make sure off the grid Like make an episode about being off the grid. Yeah, that's all that's it. It's episode Yeah, so because you can't put it in your author tag. You can't put it in your title tag And so it's going to be in your your title of your episode because your description of your episode isn't searched Unfortunately because description of your episode the description of your podcast. Yeah I mean, there is a subtitle tag. How nice if they actually used that, right? I get that question about three times a week Where does this go when I go when you find it? Let me know because I can't figure it out It's in itunes desktop software and one of the things you probably don't even have selected like it's just It's useless. Excellent. Yeah, it's excellent So anyways, Heather, do you have so I imagine you have episodes that are that speak to all these things So maybe did you know that did you know about the titles of episodes being searchable there before you could make You could optimize that way Yeah, so I have an introduction to my off-grid setup. So I have used words that people will look for Yeah, nice. No, okay, so How are you are you living off the grid completely like right now? Yeah Sell about all the way Wow, how much how much solar how much solar does it take to like is it gonna go out on us as we're right here like I'm going with the ignorant stupid questions right now. How much I have yeah, I'm still here. I have a battery bank of storage. So we should be good Is it a tesla battery who makes those batteries? No, unfortunately, it's not they're really expensive here Just to buy them and then get them installed. So I I have a custom built system Wow, so what made you go that route with the just living off the grid Building a house initially Didn't have power to the site and it was going to cost way too much money And the bank wouldn't actually allow the mortgage to extend any further So the cheaper option was to do something else and we went alternative with solar power in a battery bank I love it Like they have these prefab homes that I just want to like get one plop it down in the wood somewhere And then like have it be self-sufficient where I don't have to connect to the grid So I'm probably going to start listening to that podcast and then I'm probably going to start writing a manifesto and that's where things go wrong, but That's not like that Um, awesome. All right. So hey, what do you have to say about this whole? Enraging fast speed And do you listen to 1x or 2x or I listened to like audiobooks at higher speeds and But podcasts some of them like mine isn't meant to be listened to and more than one times like mine is I have different episodes I'm kind of doing things all backwards with my podcast, but the Part of my episodes are meant to be listened to at one times And so maybe 1.5 I can manage for other people's podcasts, but I'm not terribly fast Wait part I you have to tell me more about a part of your episodes are meant to be her Do you tell people that? Yep. So I have two types of episodes that alternate. So I have sunshine ones I've used the title of my podcast to split my podcast into two episodes Sunshine ones are during inspiration from nature because I have to rely on nature to give me power And then the power cut ones are the actual insights into what it's like living off the power grid So the sunshine ones are mindfulness ones that are one times speed by the way She said she's doing everything like backwards on her podcast I think you're doing everything right because okay the one thing I just want to see more people trying Things that are considered backwards because the podcast allows for that right like go crazy That's why you sound like you're not you you dig it Yeah, yeah, no, I love it. I love the experimentation. Yeah, do it. There's no there are no rules. There are no rules people Yeah We're gonna hang on Dave Dave must be pirate radio inspired because he started When podcast started so we're hanging on to that. You're not you're not gonna take our rss That's it. So I got it. We're gonna stick it to the man. That was the other thing back in 2005 It was all about we're not gonna be radio. We're gonna just go crazy and yeah, so break the rules people That's it if there are none, how do you break them? But a different conversation? Yeah All right, cool. Well, is that it? Is that all we have to say about to is that all the article has to say or Well, what was the what was the one thing from marco? You said it was only one percent of people listen at a faster rate Higher than two on on overcast. He says. Yeah, but that's it. It said you said higher than two Two times so there might be a large percentage of people listen at 1.5 I'd be curious to know Because the other thing it will slow me down is like I like uh, colin gray Um, who does the podcast host? I think it is. Oh, yeah But he's but he's got that majorly thick scottish accent. Yeah, so that's one where I'm like, whoa We got to slow that down just a little bit Yeah, when I listen in Spanish, I need to slow it down a little. I can't do it at 2.5. Yeah I I am I do wonder if the um fast speed thing is more of a more of our Sort of community like sort of the people in the know Like I wonder if most people the average listener even knows that's an option So, you know, youtube has a speed option too. That's true exactly and like I do that I do that also But it doesn't sound as good like overcast sounds amazing when you speed it up and it doesn't change the pitch But in youtube, it doesn't sound that great. I still I still do it But it doesn't sound as good now Do you think are you 80d? What is what is wrong with you people? Is this the problem? What does this not? Is this Is it to cram? Yes, but that doesn't matter. Is it to cram more content in or is it to so you can like go out and Run in the park like why you're doing this to me I For me, it's just I I want to blow through the content. I look down and I'm I'm like Heather. I got an audio book I want to listen to but I just had seven podcasts about podcasting download And I want to see if there's any chocolatey goodness in any of these so I'm just blowing All right, so you're you're just all business in your case. It's all business like I want you to like sit back with the podcast you love take your time Time to take some time out with your life. Come on people chill. Maybe it's just coming from california So the the 80d question is funny because uh, I I I did get a diagnosis of adhd as an adult and one thing that I did Realize was that the speed of certain things like when it is faster I can focus on it more easily than if it's slow It's more likely to focus on it. If it's too slow, I will my mind might wander So so that was a part of it. Yeah, that's good. You're making me feel bad So I'm like god, there's a legit reason the medical reason I lose but also I want to listen to all the podcasts So that's why I get it. Yeah, get it. Awesome. All right. I think we've We've pummeled that horse um pummeled that horse Sure olympic season stubby 2020 joke. All right What else we got? Uh, heather let's go to one of yours Which one do you like better the sleep timer or the difference between radio and podcasters? Which I think I'd like to know more about but I like that one Oh, cool. Tell us what that one's about So, uh, I think it was james kridland did an article about The difference between radio and podcasting because he's kind of branching over both of those areas And I don't know a whole lot about the radio industry itself But I do have to agree that I think podcasters do tend to like each other There tends to be a lot of pod fam and pod friends and ways people describe about their podcast connections And yeah, I think it's a really supportive community The you think that the podcast community is really supportive. Yeah more so than each other Do you think that differs from the radio community? I don't know because Yeah, I don't know exactly how that works, but there it seems to be them. Perhaps they're sort of within their Radio network thing whereas you can branch out and talk to people More easily and perhaps across different podcasting genre and things and there are groups full of podcasters and the podcasters round table Was a bunch of podcasters getting together to talk about the thing and make it better for people And you don't see or hear that as much about radio. Yeah, I wonder if it's a function of like If it's the function of having a medium that is The internet right like that. We're more connected or that we work together because we can do things like again hang out to To like produce something. I don't know. What do you guys think dave? Why do you think do you actually do you think the podcast community is more connected than say maybe like a radio community? Yeah, I think part of it is In podcasting and this is where people go wait, hold on but in podcasting I always say there's no competition Because you can listen to me on monday you listen to ray on tuesday listen to daniel on wednesday listen to paul colgan on thursday If you'll listen at 2.5. Exactly. I can't where with radio We're both on at 7 30 and now that is true competition. So there might be a little more kind of You know at each other with that he does say in the article he says radio has unprecedented competition Yet the radio industry continues to fail to work together because we offer a complicated view of our businesses to advertisers auto manufacturers or even a receiver manufacturers and We don't call out the press when they're when they post another lazy bugles headline I don't know what a lazy bugles headline is but okay Um like a harry potter joke. I don't know but he's saying the fact that we do and this has been from day one When Podcasters get together and somebody goes. How do I grow my audience? Nobody says we'll hold on a second. What's your show about? I want to make sure you're not my competition It's always like, oh, well, what are you doing and you know? Oh, don't do the here's a better way to do it in that whole nine yards. We're always just I think we come from a Mainly because it's true. We have so much room for more listeners That we just know the you know, we're not like at any Uh, we're not at full capacity. It's not like, okay, we have all the listeners We're gonna get so everybody grab your piece of what we got. It's like, no, there's more listeners coming So I think that might be part of it I think there's no support structure Infrastructure the way radio has it right like there's no there's a lot of times There's not a need to reach out whereas in the beginning I mean Dave and I I mean I listen to Dave because I'm Getting podcast tips because I'm starting a podcast and um, you know I'm talking to other podcasters on this show Because it's content and we're sharing so A lot of times we're coming this to this alone and we're coming to it from Not a background of doing production. So we need each other a little bit more Um, you know, this could go to do you see Do you see radio that trans that goes into podcasting or even corporations are going to podcasting that clearly have a big team behind them? Are they in the podcast community? I feel like we're starting to see a filter into like conferences like podcast movement Or we'll see them we'll see them come to the community But I feel like a lot of them there's no need like if there's not a need To then be in the community like I need something from Podcasters then they're not I don't know. So I I feel like that probably plays a huge role. I feel like as independence podcasters or content creators we need each other a little bit more or that we Enjoy it. Enjoy the help a little more because it is like It's like a you know, like a virtual sort of support group and system to help. That's what I'm that's what I'm thinking I mean, if you're on the radio, you're probably getting paid And if your podcaster maybe your livelihood isn't it's thick. I know I've never made money I know a lot of people do make money off of podcast off of their podcast But a lot of people don't and I think that completely changes the dynamic when you're You're with other people who are doing it for the love of it because they wanted to you have a good example Right. You told us in the in the startup that people reached out to you and be like, can I be part of your network? Right. This isn't this doesn't happen in a system that sort of gives you the network Yeah, yeah, and I I think At the heart of almost every podcaster It's somewhat of a need or at least a want to serve your audience In some cases there's always the, you know, three guys one brain show and they just want to have fun talking to each other And I think and this I have nothing I this is pure What's the word conjecture? I think a lot of radio people probably get in there because they love music But they end up serving their program director Who is giving them all these rules to like you've got to hit traffic and weather on the tens and say your call numbers every 20 minutes Because and then he's got advertisers that they've got to make sure they're happy and I think after a while Things just get muddy on the radio side and I have nothing to base that on I've just I've talked to a few people in radio And it just sounds I I have more respect for people in radio because Their hands are tied behind their back. They're like, okay, you get seven seconds from eight to eight Oh, two Please be funny and play a song and you're like, wait, what? I'm like, holy cow. So But the other thing is that I've heard not a lot, but I've thought and I wish I could remember the guy There are people on radio that are kind of like well podcasters, thanks for getting us this far, but We're here now and we'll take it from here guys, you know, go ahead and go back to your you know You nerds go ahead and I've actually I forget the article I read but the guy actually said the like, all right We're here. We got it. Thanks guys. We'll take it from here and that's that's always an attitude I've wondered if that's there because of course they're you know We're on the radio and you're not so I have seen that once but I've also met some really cool radio people That just love interacting with that audience So I think we both can learn a lot from each other. I think they can learn from us And I think we can learn things from them because if you have to be entertaining with so many things tied behind your back Well, we can definitely learn from them. So that that brings up the idea of is is part of Is there a problem where we are or we push away each other because we talk about no competition and podcasting But do we somehow perceive radio as Like a threat or Dave you just talked about in the pirate radio like we're giving this to the man We are not radio. So is there some like inclination to be like back off and and on the radio side It's like here's this invasion. Oh, everybody can broadcast now, right? Like so it feels like there's sort of this natural headbutting Thing that's been created. I'm not sure that we don't have some like resistance to each other to sort of break through You know, obviously attitudes like that don't help But I think if that attitude exists on both sides that you know The pod some podcasters are resistant to you know radio people because big networks invade. They have resources I say look, I use the word invade like like that's as long as they're true It's not invasion, right? NBR has been here since the beginning Um kudos to them, but I don't know what do you guys think about that? Do you think that we are do we sort of have a bias towards? Radio verse podcasters Heather, do you think we create our own natural competition between two? What I think is interesting is that I've noticed just here in New Zealand that a lot of indie podcasters connect and communicate with each other a lot more whereas the radio podcasts for example are sort of their own element and They haven't blended the same as just within within amongst the indie community itself So yeah, I don't know what that is whether it's A them versus us thing or just not we don't have events here to get together and do things so perhaps it's that Need an event you need to start that Even a meet-up group do you have like well, I don't know how big is the I mean, I don't know how big the community is and how hard it would people are spread out I don't know that might be difficult Maybe it's harder to get them all podcast listeners to get together. There's a podcast branch club in Wellington, which I happen to host So that's pretty awesome But it's a small group so far and it's in Wellington, which is the capital city I did that on purpose to try and be able to pull more of an audience. So hopefully Yeah, that's cool. Oh, congrats on that. So that's good. All right I would I could see where a radio person Might because there's a an actual report from Edison called share of ear And that's part of it It's like radio and for the record radio still dominates in terms of how many people are listening On a regular basis. I mean, we are still a crumb But the problem is that crumb gets bigger every year and radio gets smaller every year So you just look at and go well, I'm not sure when but eventually those two are gonna cross So I'm sure there's a part of them That kind of goes That that could be an issue. I have a question. Are people I want to know With that stat are people listening to music or talk and we're very different like you don't podcast Music necessary. I mean there are music podcasts, but in general It's am radio, right? It's a conversation. It's a dialogue So Does am radio dominate over podcasting? I want to know where we're pulling up alongside talk radio versus podcasting I don't care about music like that's a different category because Then we're talking radio music versus pandora spotify or something, right? Which then opens its own conversation to podcasts, but we won't go there. So that's what I want to know I don't think you have that answer I do. I wait you do why I for me the reason if you listen to am radio lately. Oh Yes, I love baseball. So of course I'm listening. So I'm gonna get baseball But if you ever if you listen to non sports on on am radio Like I was laughing because they play a lot of like old like Big band music and stuff like that. I mean, I'll listen in on fm It only sounds like this on am radio. Thank you I'm like, so that's what I'm like. Yeah, we we have a leg up on am radio, but but that's you know, but that's When they talk about these numbers like yes, so many more people listen to the radio still But what does that? Yeah, they listen to music is not even compared. That's not a that's not a comparison like right because one is Yeah, the uh What's the phrase they oh radio is a laid back Radio is a laid back uh type of listening where you hit play and you sit back and you're cubicle and just let it go It's a it's a laid back kind of experience where podcasting is more about front Yeah, exactly because it's music we're podcasting I can't listen to podcast at work because I want to take notes. I'm like, wait, what who was that? Oh, that sounds cool. Hold on. So I can't listen to podcast at work I can listen to music and I can listen to the radio I I actually listen slash watch The uh, I turn it on the morning the the local, you know morning zoo Rover's morning glory and it's just it's I turn it on just because I go good god That's awful and then I turn it off who Heather or hosway hat. Do you listen? When do you listen to podcast? So uh, like all day every day until I fall asleep. It's it's very bad But but like I'm thinking yeah, yeah I mean if I can if it's the type of work that it's like more monotonous Yeah, but what you said about the radio versus the podcast like what about npr where they have these shows that are on the radio But then they're also very popular in podcast form I'm curious if they've ever released numbers about which ones like where are some of those shows more popular? Like I think this american life is still on the radio, right? But it's it's a super popular podcast It's a great question. It's I was just watching a youtube video So this is not podcast, but it I think it completely relates and it was uh, it's a channel called calling and samir Um, which is a cool channel and they are so the first A youtuber this this woman who's a youtuber just got a late night show. She's it's jimmy fowlin um Seth meyers and and a youtuber like she's taking over for karson daily um, it's the first time uh that it I mean she started on youtube I mean like it's amazing, right? So um, it's a cool thing for diversity and you know, it's all for all kinds of reasons It's really awesome, but um, they were they were talking about how I think fowlin like they reach What was I think she reached like some number of billion people on youtube last year and like fowlin Will reach like like those late night shows will reach millions So essentially, I mean if you've ever watched like jimmy fowlin, you've probably watched it like on a youtube clip That that these shows now Their numbers on youtube are actually bigger than their than their broadcast network numbers They're reaching more people and so it's like is is a youtuber coming to broadcast or or is mbc just producing Hyper producing a youtube channel Fascinating right and now we've got spotify and pandore getting in the business and we're seeing spotify. So um, you know with those numbers like where where is it actually being more consumed? So hoseway what you're saying about like this american life and it probably they probably still dominate on radio, but You know as davis saying it's going to catch up. That's not going to remain Likely yeah, it's at least going to balance. It was probably a couple years ago I remember rob was talking about it That npr sent out a memo to the radio station saying hey Can you kind of quit plugging the podcast? Because they needed people to listen on the radio because they're sponsors and then I think they actually said no We didn't say that but they had already kind of like it was already leaked But there was this weird little baby controversy about them promoting their podcast and it was kind of like Well, that's kind of cool that they're getting more play on or at least seem to be getting more attention On the podcast. I still don't know which one was getting more, but I just thought it was funny at the time They're like hey, hey hold on. We're still a radio station. So I thought was kind of cool in the chat apparently Say beauty bubble says lily sing. I think that's how you say yeah is her name and bandrew says that YouTube are coming to broadcast shows that there's a lot more money in television even though the audience is significantly smaller so we're waiting for that transition of Advertisers to wake that up Maybe and put some money into the space where the eyeballs are actually Seeing things I guess she also did a podcast called shiroic So the first podcaster to get a late night show tv show there you go. Nice amazing. So it does cross over It'll be interesting to see because I've never I've never really heard of her. I've never heard anything she'd done But I'm assuming it's obviously Very entertaining and it'll be interesting to see how they take someone who's super creative and again I've never heard her but I'm just guessing here and Somehow filter her into they asked her so they asked her like what is the show going to be like and she says She said it's basically just going to be my youtube channel Like they also said oh, she actually put out a video that said i'm going to still like vlog and make youtube videos of this stuff And she kind of defiantly said like they're not going to stop me From still making this content that I make and so I got the feeling that you know While there is sort of these box you're put in when it comes to network type stuff You know, hopefully she's going to push the boundary on on what that means I hope plus she's on at 130 in the morning. It's it's not the best time slot But hey, but I mean that's the thing I loved about like early david letterman was the best Because he's dropping watermelons off a building. He's doing the suit of selter and velcro and all the crazy stuff And half the fun of it was like look nobody's watching. We're just going to do it anyway You know what I did? I was 14 years old I would get a glass of milk that I would put in the freezer after I put it under water So it was icy and grabbed like a stack of chips ahoy Get in bed and watched david letterman until way too late and then I'd fake sick So I didn't have to go to school the next day All because of davi letterman's late show. So good luck teenagers. Enjoy it. Yeah I don't be fun though. I'm excited to uh, I'm interested what happens. I wasn't I didn't even know about it before So it's another fun one to watch. Yeah, I'm I'm rooting for success there Not quite the same way. I was rooting for success of the the gimlet tv shows Like I I predicted would fail and it did. I think it even went shorter than I Thought it would it's got to be good. It still has to be good people. That was bad High opr 40 with no xlr cable in the bed. What are you doing? It's crazy. I don't know if that's true. All right, let's get another story in here. Um, who wants to pick Go ahead You're the host we did google is getting more women and people coloring the podcasting I mean that story I just talked about really talks a lot about that, but uh, crazy fast Oh, I'm not the host. You're the co-host dave. So you you override it any moment Um, do we do the getting more women and people of color in a podcasting? Yeah, no We didn't do the article specifically. So let's let's go there host host way. You have to tell us what this is about Yeah, so it's a it's a four of his article. So it's like oh, they're talking about podcasting And I know it's been honest with you as I interrupt as I do. I know people I talk too much Just put it in the comments. Let me just do it. I'm a youtuber. Um And then I and then he forgets his thought wow, no four man Forbes, um, who there's there's someone in um on twitter She writes for Forbes a lot of times and she's in podcasting. So I feel like we have an in there We see a lot of articles. Anyway, it's good. Okay. Yeah, it's a useless point by the way Well, the article is talking about in general about, you know, the problem that you know There isn't enough diversity in podcasting not necessarily in podcasting in general because obviously There's it talks about the low barrier of entry, but then the popular podcast, right? It's all white dudes, right? It's like where are the people of color and the women and you know different countries and representation And then it goes on to talk about a program that google is running with prx called the google podcast creator program and I brought it up because I applied last year and I plan on applying now it's open until april 14th And I I was just looking at the shows that were selected and you know, they received thousands of Applications and I don't know. I think it's funny. It's how google is getting more women and people of color into podcasting But uh, it's like an incubator and only six shows were selected So I don't know how much of a dent that makes into it when when you only pick six shows It's not like a training program in different languages for people It's a it's really an incubator and you get 40 000 to make a show and part of the application Yeah, part of the application process is that you have to budget it out and there was this huge. Uh, there was a very long Um web conference where they were explaining how to do that. So and I had never done this I'd never thought about doing a Highly produced show how much it would cost me and I ended up with a budget of like $43 000 to do I think it was like 12 episodes over the course of a year with travel and all these things that got like a reported narrated podcast with an editor they were like no include a story editor and it it was interesting because Like as an independent podcaster they want me to think like npr like gimlet right like having a staff and a budget And it was it was an interesting exercise and I mean it would be an amazing opportunity to be You know to factor your salary into a podcast never been paid that way, you know So it's it's an interesting program. I think the the choices were interesting And apparently it was pretty popular and again to the the article frames it as Google's way of trying to get more women and people of color into podcasting. I don't know How would you all feel about that? Well, you I mean you sound like it's not enough like like that's to you This is not a way to When I hear that that headline it's kind of like how do we get like a good influx? And to me I make it makes me think They're looking for a big hit right so what makes more impact Is it that if we pull alongside if if like there's the same number of women podcasting as men Does that make more impact than than a woman-led show that is massively popular? I don't know like if i'm Speaking of women I should ask heather. What do you think? What do you think like what makes more? What makes more impact more women Or minorities or ethnicities whatever in podcasting or a massive show That has that has someone at the forefront that is not stereotypical The massive show is going to reach more people obviously But then I think that the fact that there are low barriers to injuries so people can create it And there are communities like lady pod squad and she podcasts with elsey eskibar and there are like a whole bunch of people helping and supporting women and Different people from different countries and cultures and all that to to find their voice and help them through the journey So yeah, I think a bigger show will have it will allow more people to realize that. Hey, maybe I this is something that I could do I've never heard of lady pod squad. I just wrote that down. It's like, all right. Yeah Sounds cool. Yeah, it's an awesome community in the chat uh it was Cleared up that sarah ray warner. I knew was sarah. I just know the whole name. Uh, she writes for forps And she's options. She didn't she she didn't write that one. But that's what I was thinking about exactly I will say as someone who's not been to the forb website in a long time Holy cow. Is that a bunch of crap when you go over there? It's like I went to million pop-ups and I'm like, holy At least a video audio was off. Yeah, that would have that would have been a problem Yeah, I yeah when you live on ads and you know, the the horrible thing is that like Banner ads and web that's still a thing like we talked about advertisers still giving more money to television side Even though there's potentially less less viewership and people still people still want to buy a banner on your website You're like, yeah, that'll do you a lot of good like I actually want you to perform well if I'm going to take your ad but It's just there's yeah, we're in flux Yeah, um Yeah, Forbes even has like a pre-roll basically like it'll have a whole page with a quote. It's not even an ad sometimes but um this this article one thing that it made me think about was how um, like they're giving you the 40 000 dollars, but they It is an incubator in a way, but they I don't think they're getting any money from it They're just trying to make like give you all the tools that you need and the funding to Have the show and then basically Like they'll support you but they're not getting anything on the back end. You're not a part of the prx network You're not like a part of the google network or anything like that. They're just giving you the money Giving you the tools and then you're on your way. So I don't know so is that actual support or do they just want to appear like they're supporting the you know I mean like it seems like you need to launch a big show But yeah, I mean you have to go for training in boston There are you know big name people from npr and other networks that will help you So it's really I don't know it feels like you know If you're an independent podcaster or actually someone in the in the chat mentioned that they picked they did pick some existing shows already Which is kind of discouraging too because like one of the options is you have an idea And there are certain shows that like the show i'm going to submit is not like I can't do it without Funding right there would be just no way that I could possibly Do that show and travel and take up all that time to to make that type of show So i'm not even gonna start it unless something like that happened I don't know feels like they're giving you a giant telescope and telling you to find aliens. Good luck Where's the support man? Can I can I be funded for the entire project and uh, will you support me in that mission of I just want to take the 40 grand spend about 80 bucks on a 2100 and do my podcast and enjoy the other 9800 and whatever Well, I mean we've talked about like gimlet and other places like like there's a staff You know like we talked about radio that those are completely different monsters What when I went to the on-air fest in new york city, I was amazed because Normally I go to these things. I'm like, hey, what brings you to the show and it's usually like Oh, I do a show it's and then another person. Oh, I do a show and another person I do I went to that thing. It's like, oh, I'm the one person. I'm a storyboard person That was their job. I do storyboards and another person was like an editor and an editor in that world is the person You dump five hours of content on and go here shape that into a story and I was like, wow This is like you said totally different ballgame different almost like a different You know it's still content creation But just on a totally different style and a totally different budget It's funny because that for years like one of my things I've been giving talks at conferences and stuff has been about Um Turning your hobby into profession. That's what I did, right? So if you're doing a podcast that there are more and more jobs as we go along Down this this journey Where you can make it your job and it's not just like From a content perspective like who I have a show I'll sell it It's you have skills you've learned skills like skills of production and there are opportunities for you And I've always called myself a lot of times a podcast producer throughout the years, but this term Means nothing like of what the way I was using it for years because there are a lot of podcast Out from gimlet from all these networks, right more traditional media And what this means if if I wanted to apply to that job, I'm like, oh, I I'm a podcast producer I do the tech stuff. I do the editing. I do, you know, no What we're going to do for you is give you a job where you sit in a you sit in a room And maybe you collaborate in like board meetings, but you're creating stories I need you to write stories. I need you to come up with concept. It's all about the content So I it's very interesting as we see the the the sort of the the industry shift and more of these traditional Companies come in and just even just terms like that. It just completely changes The way it is like you said editor like I from most of what I do is editing like it's but that's not podcast producer In what that's becoming so there are jobs available But I specifically put a story editor in my in in my budget Which is not even like the technical editor like I would still cut things up But this is the person who's going to tell me no the story flows better the narrative goes better if you do it this way Yeah, yeah, yeah, Stephanie has a great point in the chat room She says I think more female voices would be more encouraging One popular female podcast can be seen as the exception But many of them would make it seem like well than anybody can do it And I said absolutely and if you can be a woman of color double that because you know, that would just be awesome to see more people in that and It's one of those things where anytime you have somebody whether it's one of my favorite examples is oh Heather Radke does adoptees on And that's not a race thing, but it's the only people to understand what it's like to be adopted are adopted people So if you're you know, the only people that know what it's like to be a woman of a color is probably another woman of color So it's nice to and a lot of times that you may be feeling like I'm the only person going through this And when you hear somebody else saying no, I have the same struggles and I'm putting up the same bs Now you have that community feeling and you can can connect with those people And if you go on twitter and look up. I'm sorry. Hello. Let me just real quick The there's someone called barry. She does at podcast and color on twitter And she has a full directory of a nice podcast with hosts of people of color And I'm I'm just thinking like if you're doing six shows at forty thousand dollars not even counting all the other stuff like $240,000 just you could help a lot of really good shows that already exist With like a marketing budget just like help them reach more people Get in front of more people and like because there are already so many good shows out there I know sorry Heather for interrupting. Go ahead No, that's all right. I was just going to say that that's when things like she podcasts Which are going to have their event that they're working towards fundraising or the Kickstarter campaign at the moment is incredible Because that is a bigger group of people that will help inspire more Women rather than being just one particular woman-led podcast and the group like lady pod squad as well to help Who'll sway what was the twitter account that you said of the the woman? It's her name is uh, it's barry And I think it's ad podcasts in color What podcasts and color cool Cool. Yeah, and uh speaking of that if you go to she podcast.com slash kickstarter Uh, you can help fund that uh great event happening in Atlanta, Georgia And I did find out today that while it is geared towards females If you are a male you you can still attend so Being single I might do that. Wait, that sounds really creepy. Yeah, that's right This is why we should not this is why they have female This is why Yeah, just lock the doors man. Yeah, exactly. It's more product more productive And I also messed up. Uh, I said it was heather radkey. It's not it's hailey radkey So thank you emily pro cop from the story behind for correcting me Yeah, we have like a Chat room co-host emily is you know, it's like de facto co-host here She's been on several rounds, but she's just Kicking butt in the chat. Thank you. And she's a great singer That is yes, so anytime anybody says hyal pr 40 on the that's the podcast co-show I have to You want to see my nominated for weby award? Yes, amazing. Yeah, nice shout out to emily. Yeah You want to see my hyal pr 40? Let me get it. Oh, it's like I'm seeing this every time it's No, okay enough of that. Yeah Andrew appreciate my sm7b Everyone should watch if you don't you don't want to consume the whole round like host way He's just refuses to watch the video. That's okay. It's fine. If you don't want to do that You should check out you should at least just look at it. You can see all the variety of microphones We know we're all gear heads gear heads here. We have all different microphones to offer quite a diversification of podcast tech I'll watch it but at 2x just not at 1x. That's it. You can do that Yeah, apparently I'm gonna do that and and be horrified at the results Yeah, probably yeah, but it's okay. I'm gonna do it with you And watch you at two times. Take that this way. All right. Hey, I think we can cram in one more story Let's do this um Sleep timer thing Heather. I'm a little curious about this because I don't I think it exists in the podcast app I have and I much like the uh fast forward. I don't or the hyper speed. What do they call that? What's what's the technical name for listening at? two times what do they call that function You guys don't even know it's just speed. I think it's your personality. You don't even know its name It's just speed man. Just speed. That's it speed Sounds like a drug. It's a drug. Don't do it kids. Don't do podcast drugs It's the only way to pot. It's the only way to listen Yeah, they just In that one article it just calls it super fast speed. So I mean, we need some really obnoxious Fast word with the word pod somehow crammed into it to make it really obnoxious There's an obnoxious word in the article. Uh, the article calls people who listen to podcast fast pod fasters And I refuse to there we go You deserved it. You deserve it you pod fasters That sounds like that sounds so it sounds like a name. It's a curse word Hey pod you pod faster Pod fasters just get off my People get confused with fasting, which is like giving up something too. I don't think yeah You're giving up podcasts a good point. I will if you make me listen. That's hilarious Well, I knew I knew they were somehow I knew they somehow were gonna cram the word pod into something you have to it's like the of course Oh, that drives me nuts That's amazing. I love it. Yeah. All right, let's do this sleep timer. What's that about Heather? So I picked this because of the first article about the listening fast And I thought it was interesting another sort of function that apps could have and I don't know if it is rolled out everywhere but apparently a possible feature is coming to google podcast that is a sleep timer um And it apparently references three increments to which are related to episodes and The ability to close the ui But yeah, I've listened to podcasts and fallen asleep before and then woken up because I've still got something in my ears playing So I do that every night. You know what actually I do this every night Like I have air pods So it's just a little this without the wire and I put it in the ear and I I will go to sleep Typically a lot of times to a podcast and of course it just plays after I fall asleep I don't set any kind of timer or cut it off and you know what I think like an hour into sleep I will wake back up and then I catch myself listening to like another half hour What that's really bad like these like smile lines are not from smiles They're just like i'm not getting sleep and i'm getting old like it's probably a bad thing I could probably use this. How does anyone use this currently? I I've tried it, but my problem is I have my depending on what um Playlist I have it would blow through my whole playlist So I'd wake up and I'm like I didn't hear any of the show So if I ever tried that I would put the sleep timer on but I would also tell it To stop after it got done listening to the latest episode I was using overcast for that because I would wake up I'm like my whole playlist is gone. I slept through the whole thing. So that wasn't good for me Here's the thing if marco and he's the one who can do this if he can implement a feature Where my air pod I mean this happens on the watch the watch knows what you're doing The air pod should know when I go to sleep based on my rhythms, right? Like it should know Oh race fall asleep shut the podcast off that'll save my health. I appreciate that so because here's the thing with a timer I'm just scared and lazy because if I set a timer It's going to stop playing while I'm listening and then I'm like I'm trying to go to sleep and I gotta start it up again on my phone Yeah This is this that's a really good idea because yeah I use a sleep app religiously and once your heart rate hits a certain point It marks you off. It's marked you as asleep So maybe like an overall like do not disturb this guy's asleep function Yeah, I think air pod the third generation which will take two years to come out like I don't even know maybe air pods in some way work together with a with a with an app We know we can get other watch app. I know we can get I'm being apple here show my bias, I guess, but Um, I'm sure it's doable or even hey, that's it like on a watch doesn't have to be apple That the watch knows when you sleep shut off my podcast Yeah, yeah, I do um, I use a lot of smart playlists on the overcast app So my playlist sent to be shorter. So sometimes I've had that problem where it goes through a full playlist Uh, but overcast does have a sleep timer and when I usually use it is when I'm listening to audible So an audiobook sometimes I'm like, okay tonight. I'm just gonna listen to this audiobook and I kind of know I'm like, uh, let me just give it a good 30 minutes And and take it from there and usually that's enough like I I know when it's coming Like if the lights are off my head is on the pillow I know I'm probably not gonna last more than 30 minutes No matter what the book is so I do use it in audible. It sounds like most of this round table We'll go to sleep to a podcast at least sometimes No, I can't I'm on my second uh set of air pods because my first one's just like the battery wouldn't last more than 15 minutes Because I use it every day all day I've heard there's an issue that I have had no issues, but I hear that is you you can't have that happen Yeah Stephanie has the same thing I do and I can't spell it either tendonitis my ears ring all the time Thanks to because you played music. That's right. Yes. If you're too if it's too loud, you're too old, man So uh, that comes back to haunt you. So I have I listen I have a uh, like a white noise generator thing Because the problem is if I then turn up The podcast loud enough to hear it over the white noise generator Then it's so loud that I then pay attention to it. I can't fall asleep air pods, Dave You need air pods. I well, you know someday When uh, you know off to take that check I get from there's like 15 dollar versions They have two other really no cool. Excellent. I'm sure maybe they'll break, but whatever Lasts a long enough for me to fall asleep. So it'll be cool. That's right Heather tying the speed thing into the sleep time I bandri said that he uses the speed and lowers it to 0.5 x and then sets a sleep timer for 30 minutes So if someone's drooling out what you're listening to it could that's a good and you might shut off at 30 minutes That's a good one. Yeah, you listen to the sleep with me podcast, which Is already designed to make you go to sleep and then slow it down Now we have some actual health benefits that I could use I'm gonna look younger in the next round table I don't think that's possible without some type of surgery Which I'm not getting today because I don't have a big podcast budget I'm gonna I'm gonna make a big in podcasting so you get a facelift. How's that? There we go Because if we're gonna keep doing this video thing can't keep getting older That is the nice thing about doing audio only. Yeah, it's like you're like zizi top I mean zizi top they have their costume. They basically have hats sunglasses and beards So they're gonna look like that when they're 40 50 say it doesn't matter. They don't change So that's the nice thing about an audio podcast unless your voice really changes and all of a sudden you're Welcome to the podcasters round table And that it's like that's gonna sound a little different, you know, it's amazing how you can speed it up Yeah, right you can change it but it seems amazing that voices I don't know if your voice doesn't doesn't really change. You could be yeah Does it it does my voice is already I don't know it's because I'm just talking all the time now But my voice is not a lot but a little lower than it was 14 years ago when I listen to the early stuff It's just it's like the difference between here and just up a little bit And if you listen to early versions of howard stern, it doesn't sound like howard stern He sounds like this. Hey, welcome to you know, WNBC and then by the end now. He's like this So or if you take lucille ball, you know lucille ball was lucille ball by the time she She you know was old. It was like she sounded like darth vader I mean listen to the first aerosmith album and it would get not exactly. I didn't think that's anything to do with age Nothing at all And turn this into a classic rock show. All right. Hey, I think we're good. That was some good stuff We had a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun. This was good time I think the key is to be unorganized. That's exactly and invite people late. So I'm really glad I made it. Thank you I'm glad I saw the chat way to get in the chat and then like I saw That you want to get in. I realized I didn't I messed it up I'm sorry, but that's it that gets you another trip back to the round table just for that alone That'd be awesome. Now. Yeah, you guys did great. I mean It's you know, it's not an audition, but I I almost don't know that we've had a round table where I was like Let's not invite them back It's not how it works But most people are so good. That's what's so fun about this show I swear like the chat is always finding new shows to listen to I found I'm like I gotta check out Heather's show because I'm gonna put my cabin in the woods and bail out of society But I can still podcast apparently because she's doing it fine So yeah, you just have to be careful of the internet connection thing that is an issue here And I'm in New Zealand so it's even worse. But you've done video like we can't bring Elsie on you can forget about it Because she's somewhere she's like satellite and then almost she'll tell you no, I can't I mean she probably can but I know that She struggles like if she's in an area where Internet now is it because of of the internet that you have there or is it because of the The power that you're on The internet that I have here. I'm rural as well So it's trying to send a signal across e-waves rather than a well done a good job I mean it's not like I mean we've had plenty of roundtables where we had to like hey, just shut off your video We'll take the audio that'll work. Yeah, we just get still image All right, cool. Well, let us know where we can find your podcast and um, yeah, then we'll get out here Dave Again, thanks. Yeah, Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting find me at schoolofpodcasting.com Very cool. And Heather first roundtable. Hopefully you enjoyed it. You'll be back as we just established. Thank you so much Thank you for having me. I'm Heather Welch from sunshine and power cuts and that's at sunshine and power cuts.com What time is it where you're at? That is a good question Nearly two o'clock in the afternoon two o'clock in the afternoon We're doing this at almost six p.m. On the west coast in california. So and I'm a day ahead and a day ahead She's in the future. I love it. It's keeping that we we're doing pretty good, Dave That bringing on people from across the globe. We are a global medium. So I'm pretty stoked about that So thank you for joining it worked out like actually this works out this time. So we gotta have more people um In that time zone on that that's cool. Sometimes it's really tough. I know Stephanie in the chat now. I think she's in china Yeah, she is and so I don't know what time is there. So we're gonna get her on so that might be harder to do I know the uk is rough because it's like right it's like two in the morning or something so All right, I need to bend more when Dave we need to shift this time so we can accommodate more We'll do one at two in the morning. So somebody that's fair. That's fair international podcast. Maybe we can get into that two a.m. slot and the 24 hour broadcast Awesome. All right, Dave you're listening to that. We're on we're on And uh, hosway. Thank you so much for joining us Yeah, thank you hosway cardona from geek therapy at geektherapy.com and by the way, I'm in Puerto Rico right now I'm gonna touch base with Heather because I once recorded with no power and I still published an episode I managed to do it with a cell phone in a h6. It was it was a lot of fun Yeah, yeah right now I got people in the chat already emailing you how'd you do that? What's your setup? Yeah, exactly. What mic did you use? Awesome. All right. Thanks everyone podcast was roundtable.com slash guest We'll get you to a sign up page, which and then it'll get you to a list Which everyone here has used and then eventually it'll get you on to the round table But I don't really know that you want to be on the round table unless you sign up there So that's the way to do it Podcasts are roundtable.com slash guest and we'll see you for 129 next time wave. Goodbye. See you later I can't make it stop